Guild Wars 2

misterdevious.6482:

Note to self: For current WvW news check Reddit Engineer threads.
P.S. Beware of the Leopard.

The IOS update that hogged a ton of resources/space?

PariahX.6970:

Xillllix.3485:

It’s a glimmer of hope for WvW, but it’s very imprecise in regards to what we should expect. They’ve been working for over a year on a “Major overhaul”. This implies that it’s going to be a huge change, bcause I doubt you would work a year on something as simple as a server merge when it was already done for PvE a long time ago.

Hopefully this “Major” update is a new scoring mechanic, a new reward system, and a new alliance-based server system that prevents the accumulation of empty maps.

Read the above again if you are in this thread to spread wild speculation and or stressing out over what this means .

Sorry what? The point of this forum is WvW discussion and I’m pretty sure speculating falls into that category when Anet tells us they’ve been working over a year on some WvW overhaul.

misterdevious.6482:

Note to self: For current WvW news check Reddit Engineer threads.
P.S. Beware of the Leopard.

Hahaha, great reference. (The following quotes are for Jayne.)

“With a flashlight.”
“Ah, well the lights had probably gone.”
“So had the stairs.”
“But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?”
“Yes,” said Arthur, “yes, I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.’”

Any RED/Dev posts in this thread?
Didn’t think so.
Any WvW PR or WvW promoting being done in their Twitch channel?
Didn’t think so.
…/sigh

Thank you Swift

Discworld?

Jayne.9251:

Thank you Swift

Discworld?

Uh… not quite. Think funnier. Think Douglas Adams. =P

Time to rescind my nerd card,

Beware of the Leopard:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNmIQX_ImgM

“With HoT we will introduce a new epic map with a major overhaul to WvW-machanics”
WvW flops for over a month since HoT release
“We are working on a major overhaul for WvW since over a year.. it will be great”
“Mh? Our ex-lead WvW developer said what? He didn’t work on WvW for 8 months? … … … Woah guys look at this new raid and the great UI we finally fixxed right in time for raids.. eh I mean WvW”

B R I G H TkittenT U R E B O I S

PS: They even censore “future” when you put spaces between letters.. lol.. f and u.. I see what you did there

Until they have adequately provided a dialogue on how WvW is viewed and played beyond basic issues like coverage and stuff like that, I don’t really see this as meaning much.

Not saying this is good or bad, but I do not think such a statement is backed up by anything up to this point. But when things like autoloot don’t exist in WvW, what can you expect?

ArchonWing.9480:

Until they have adequately provided a dialogue on how WvW is viewed and played beyond basic issues like coverage and stuff like that, I don’t really see this as meaning much.

Not saying this is good or bad, but I do not think such a statement is backed up by anything up to this point. But when things like autoloot don’t exist in WvW, what can you expect?

What can I say, if even the forum specialist appointed by Anet is pessimistic. QQ QQ

The new borders and mechanics (auto upgardes), were a pretty drastic overhaul as it is already though.

The only thing left is population imbalance, coverage and PPT/Glicko, but many of us have given up on that side of stuff, because it’s not what brings us back to WvW each day, nor is it that rewarding.

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

The new borders and mechanics (auto upgardes), were a pretty drastic overhaul as it is already though.

The only thing left is population imbalance, coverage and PPT/Glicko, but many of us have given up on that side of stuff, because it’s not what brings us back to WvW each day, nor is it that rewarding.

Well it could be some sort of alliance system whether it be server alliances or guild alliances. Its really the only remaining large magnitude change that could be made.

You know what i read here “bla blablabla blabla” Nothing concrete, totally vague and nebulous as every time. So nothing changed until Arenanet comes out of their silent corner and make a real statement, i am sorry but Mr. Johanson is a politician and he talks also like one. And the fact that he posts on reddit instead of the so called “official wvw forum” should tell you the value of his statement.

Wow. Everyone seems to think they’re overhauling the HoT features in response to their massive failure, but if you read the quote:

“major WvW overhaul right now we’ve been working on for over a year”

it’s clear the “overhaul” he’s referring to is exactly what brought us the all the failed features.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Wow. Everyone seems to think they’re overhauling the HoT features in response to their massive failure, but if you read the quote:

“major WvW overhaul right now we’ve been working on for over a year”

it’s clear the “overhaul” he’s referring to is exactly what brought us the all the failed features.

This, the new Maps are part of the overhaul there will not come some new shinies.

Some how funny is the point the same question is in the engi forum and there no dev answered, but on reddit they do

Hah, “major” overhaul. I only believe it when i see it, just like aliens.

Offair.2563:

Hah, “major” overhaul. I only believe it when i see it, just like aliens.

i think aliens are more credible!

Alicornus.7095:

Well, it’s not like they can make it much worse, can’t they? Either they manage to fix it this time or they’ll merely speed up the sink into insignificance.

Your wishes are so easily fulfilled: just remove the crafting stations from the BL and you’ve got it worse.

SO Colin comments on reddit about a WvW overhaul in a thread about Engie Legendary effects and everyone buys it?

I’ll believe it when I see it. That’s the extent of my Thanksgiving goodwill on that topic. Communication on major features needs a step up and a step in a good direction.

This is almost as bad as the first person camera communication. What in the heck does the WvW team have to do with the team that would address legendary effects?

With that kind of blatant misdirection, I’m not so sure Colin shouldn’t be maining a Mesmer instead of an Engie.

I don’t think the maps themselves are the problem. The size and some of the mechanics are.

I love some ppl sarcasm here that said we should have patience, they might on to somthign with this overhaul.

The last time they called something for WvW “Major” we got masteries, and that same patch that was suppose to be the “big wvw update” actually had more pve content in it.

So you’ll excuse me when i am skeptical about that “major wvw overhaul” and how many of the issues are really going to be adressed.

I have a feeling they are going to add in mastory to wvw the type we see in pve. We may see gliders with bomb attks in wvw soon.
As for the bl i am guessing a bit of a drop for the shrine effects in the new maps and maybe some more fast paths to major objectives.
I like to see EotM comply removed from wvw and made into more of an open rvrvr map where you chose what side your on.

I lost much of my faith when they released EotM as a waiting room that offered ranks and badges. A little more after we were ignored for the last two years. The last I lost when they had golem week.

Sorry, but without a CDI that is listened to and implemented I have nothing left to give.

So I was thinking last night…..

What if .. what IF .. the big major overhaul was to put EU vs NA in one big, single, matchup tiers?

You keep the servers you’re on and NA vs EU scrap it out to get to the top.

NA will win in top tiers because of well, stackgate. But it could prove very interesting in the silver and bronze tiers.

And it could open up more competition between guilds.

The servers are seperate. As far is I understand we have a serverfarm in europe and one in the usa and it would bringt quite some issues to match them against each other; one of the first things being even more lag.

Bah, you all are “oh lag, bad lag” .. I’ve been on EU for three years, playing from NA.

I find the lag better on EU than I do on my NA account actually.

cafard.8953:

Found on reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3u7bo1/no_hope_for_legendary_effect_on_engineer/cxcqyvo

A bit sad that the devs are more active on Reddit than providing official communication.
It’s probably all the cupcakes that the PvE fans buy them…

hedix.1986:

cafard.8953:

Found on reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3u7bo1/no_hope_for_legendary_effect_on_engineer/cxcqyvo

A bit sad that the devs are more active on Reddit than providing official communication.
It’s probably all the cupcakes that the PvE fans buy them…

You have ANets words about the major overhaul sticky in this subforum. Just read it again: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-Invitational-Statement-from-John-Corpening-game-director-for-World-vs-World/5350913

Afterwards you should know who is in charge of WvW since a year: John Corpening (game director for World vs. World)

And what are the topics of the overhaul:

• population imbalance
• scoring
• unrewarded contributions like defense/scouting

The worsed is it feels like it will be we can use the wings in WvW map.

It reads like focusing on blob fights. Next big fail incoming?

WvW is about: Strategic diversion, guilds and server pride.

Dayra.7405:

You have ANets words about the major overhaul sticky in this subforum. Just read it again: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-Invitational-Statement-from-John-Corpening-game-director-for-World-vs-World/5350913

I am aware of this. Yet that was written before HoT. They had guilds testing the Desert Borderland, yet chose to ignore most the feedback and produce the BL that drove away so much of the WvW population. So you’ll forgive me that I don’t have much faith in Anet recognizing and dealing with the problem.

Wolfric.9380:

WvW is about: Strategic diversion, guilds and server pride.

Hear hear!

Overhaul again..? The current new maps are literally a deserted borderland. Hardly even see 20 peeps running on them -.- How about actually getting feedbacks and fix your current crappy stuff before adding new ones in.

Maybe they replace EB this time? It’s overcrowded and misses PvE content.

saturn.4810:

Maybe they replace EB this time? It’s overcrowded and misses PvE content.

Which means they killed the last wvw map as well.

RIP wvw 2012-2015/2016

Inc event that is only available to participate in on the new maps that will give a unique reward.

Followed by, see guys, according to our measurements during the week of X the new BL’s population increase was significant. This confirms we made the correct choice by introducing the new maps and are on the right track for our vision of WvW.

Sorry I have lost all faith, they will just try and cover up the issues with nonsense instead of tackling the problems head on.

Wolfric.9380:

It reads like focusing on blob fights. Next big fail incoming?

WvW is about: Strategic diversion, guilds and server pride.

Most ppl who play wvw want blob fights. Smaller aimed fights players tend to fight in spvp or GH.

Nuzt.7894:

Inc event that is only available to participate in on the new maps that will give a unique reward.

Followed by, see guys, according to our measurements during the week of X the new BL’s population increase was significant. This confirms we made the correct choice by introducing the new maps and are on the right track for our vision of WvW.

Sorry I have lost all faith, they will just try and cover up the issues with nonsense instead of tackling the problems head on.

Bribing people to play would at least get more people learning the map, its routes, and its strategies which would mean fewer people getting frustrated by getting lost or going the long way around. That would be helpful.

Bribes please.
Seriously… give us bribes.

My frustration with WvW changes primarily has to do with what seems to be a lack of WvW mentality and understanding on ANet’s part.

The new borderlands are really beautiful. Edge of the Mists was a great concept. The major downfall of both maps is that they feel more like PvE. I understand that WvW is kind of a blend between PvE and PvP. I kinda like to think of it as hostile PvE.

The problem right now is that the borderlands are so hostile and difficult to navigate from a PvE perspective, that it makes it difficult to play the PvP aspect of WvW. The maps are too large, the barriers and major elevation changes are too restrictive for movement, and the keeps are too complex to really add that PvP feel to it. Many people are not really “unhappy” with the borderlands when I have actively partaken in, or listened to, their conversations in concern to the borderland changes. I feel the same way. The lack of people on the map is a kind of self-feeding cycle of “I don’t want to go because there is no one there, which means that I am not there so other people don’t want to go either”.

Perhaps reducing or removing the large elevation changes, or adding less dangerous manners more frequently placed manners to navigate these elevated terrain changes. Reducing the active internal keep area so it is more interactive. Mesmer hiding is a kind of art, and there is a lot of fun in the chase. I have mained Mesmer since 2005, and I love the changes to Mesmer. The borderland maps have completely removed that fun in the chase when hiding in a keep. No one is going to find me because the keep is too large to even begin to look.

Garrison and the portion between Garrison and the northern towers is highly restrictive for movement. It seems this is the common theme of the borderlands is the focus on restriction of movement. However, people like zergs, people want to fight, and people cannot easily get to each other in an open area to do so. Tower defence is fun, but by the time you make the run from Garrison to SE tower, it has flipped and the enemies are long gone. The east and west keeps seems to rarely have active waypoints (at least for my server(s)), so it becomes a battle less focused on interaction with players, and more focused on “how do I jump up on that thing so I can keep moving south?”

Edge of the Mists was fun when it came out. It’s also a beautiful map, but two major downfalls are the size and dangerous nature of the map. As such, people do not really PvP there, and instead focus on just running in a circle to karma and XP farm. This kinda seems to defeat the purpose of a PvP map, and it is another example of ANet perhaps missing the point of WvW from a player’s perspective.

I don’t know what these major upcoming changes are going to be, but I would suggest that the maps start to move more towards a PvP focus, and less of a focus on trying to figure out how to not fall or being able to quickly climb a 90 degree incline.

If I had 100 people vs 100 people in the main keep on those BL maps, split into several objectives that have to all be held at the same time, with the current design for the keep, it would make for an awesome fight- tactics, splits, big battles (just fix the long run back for defeated players).

As it is, 5 people against one random doesn’t make for much in the way of fun.

Wryscher.1432:

Major wvw over haul
-golems are now free to build
-golems now move 100% faster
-golems now do 100% more damage
-golems can now use gliders.

Done and done

That Golem event…..

Might aswell roll with this idea, atleast then I could have a chance at leveling 17 elites up.

I’ve worked out what the major overhaul is…‘adventures’ are coming to wvw!

Yes, you will be forced to complete an adventure before being able to exit the entrance to wvw. All your skills will be removed, and you will now have to complete timed adventures before getting your masteries back, which will be unlocked by such simple tasks as capping SM 10000 times (counter reset to zero).

PVE events will trigger on the new replacement map for EB every 5 minutes, which will be twice as big and full of height changes for no other reason than they can put them in- oh and ledges and bridges everywhere to promote the use of fearbots.

Sandman.4192:

Twinny.9304:

lol I can just see it now, big announcement saying “We know how much the WvW community loves PvE, so we have decided to release a hint that the next Elder Dragon is located in caverns beneath stonemist castle in the eternal battlegrounds, and we will have a huge story line with many meta events situated in WvW.”

/sarcasm

in all seriousness, map designs are moving very similar to EoTM style maps, and I don’t think they understand that players that play WvW “full time” are in most cases not the same people that play EoTM’s, to make everyone happy they need to seperate as many similarities between WvW and EoTM’s as possible, when it comes to map design, we see them as 2 different game modes. EoTM is one big K-train (i know it was intended as a solution for queues), while WvW is primarily (excluding a few servers), used as battlefields. EoTM is for rewards/karma/WXP and WvW is for winning can be winning fights or MU’s. It’s starting to feel as though any things being added to WvW now (just like the new maps), should belong to EoTM not WvW.

New maps look beautiful, and they should be very proud of them, but they don’t belong in WvW. Personally I would place them (with a little tweak) into an EoTM rotation and give WvW alpine maps back 25% larger than before with the sentry effect, old waypoint and upgrade system.

I totaly agree with you on this.
Most WvW people now are not playing gw2 (taking break till old map comes back) or are only in eb.

Anet give us our old borerland maps back, make them a little bit bigger and old upgrade system back.
And maybe try to ad the combat style that the guards have in eotm, its looks more realistic.
Don’t give us a map that looks like a pve map (we mostly don’t play that crap).
We love WvW what it was, so dont sqrew it up for us.

I disagree here. Most of the wvw players are in HoT even though they most likely hate it or would rather get the same stuff by doing wvw. HoT is so huge and anet has made it so that you need to go there to get the things you need. yes you can get the hero points in wvw but if no one is going there……yeah. Yes some have left and went to do other stuff but that will not get you the new class stuff.

Imo opinion this is what happens when you spend the bulk of your time catering to one particular player, pve, and leave the hard core wvw players out. Now that being said I love the new maps myself but I think they should have made it a bit easier to get the hero points and the map not as big. Second they should have WAITED. You launched a huge, even though I hate pve, an awesome pve overhaul, and then just gave the bl’s a new look for the most part. Big no no here imo. Should have kept old maps and then when HoT launched then revisit bl changes to see if they would appeal to folks. With HoT taking so long to finish or even get the things you want….leaves the bl’s baron.

So yes some players left but most players who enjoy the game and wvw especially like me are still slaving away in the HoT to get stuff. I say they should have made it possible to get everythiong that yu can get from pve and raids in wvw and no one would have left. Just my 2 cents though. Ill still be in my wvw bl fighting the good fight…1 vs 10 lol but I will be there. I can only stand the pve in HoT for about 30 minutes then I get bored. Hopefully the changes will be better……….

It is PAINFUL that ANET can’t make the simple changes that would get people into W3. Even if they’re all PVE carebears at least we (as vets) would have some scrubs to farm.

#1. Rewards: Put the rewards on par with PVE rewards. Example take fortified SM get champ bag, chest and bonus chest for fortified status.

#2. How bout making Guild hall upgrades related to W3 attainable through playing W3. Why the kitten must i farm PVE for W3 upgrades? It’s dumb there’s like 2-3 examples of PVERS having to come to W3 for their upgrades (EOTM gets it done anyway) why must we carebear to get our upgrades? lvl 37 guild status for +5 supply is insane.

#3. Bring the urgency of the next tick back by giving rewards for each tick. It’s simple just like Mag maps. Were you around for the tick? how much did you contribute to our tick? Here’s your relative reward.

#4. Buff players drops nerf PVE all together. Less mobs, less gimmicks (laser that unloads on all gates really?), Buff defense rewards to slow the ktrain EOTM feel, bring back PPK as part of the score. Get rewarded more for being good at PvP and less for being a pug peasant ktrainer.

#5. Nerf siege into the ground and eliminate some of the in-keep stationary siege that has zero skill like cannons and mortars. 2k burning ticks from some casual 5k distance away from you on a mokittenoes not encourage good play. 10 stack bleed on 3k damage cannon shot is waaay too much damage when you’re already power creeping like a boss with new xpac.

There is this misconception among the devs that W3 players are also big time into PVE. It’s not the case W3 is endgame for many players just like PvP. They might have a leg to stand on if there wasn’t dozens of other pve maps and scores of other PVE gamemodes for people that are into PVE.

Jski.6180:

Wolfric.9380:

It reads like focusing on blob fights. Next big fail incoming?

WvW is about: Strategic diversion, guilds and server pride.

Most ppl who play wvw want blob fights. Smaller aimed fights players tend to fight in spvp or GH.

That’s not true at all.

In fact, the best gameplay is at a smaller level.

Wryscher.1432:

Major wvw over haul
-golems are now free to build
-golems now move 100% faster
-golems now do 100% more damage
-golems can now use gliders.

Done and done

This just made my day

Thank you!

Hahaha … !!!

Surprise!!!

EotM will switch places with Current WvW.

Current WvW will become waiting room for EotM.

I appreciate that it was found on REDDIT but it would be nice for an official response on the official forums that someone out there still cares about the dying WvW community.

I hope this kitten is just kitten:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3uznbc/major_wvw_overhaul_colin_j_ft_e/

There are some bad things mentioned in this.