Guild Wars 2

So, as I understand it, only the top 5 servers of each league will get enough tickets to buy a Mistforged Weapon this season. This means that for Silver League, 4 servers will be stuck without them. My own server SoR doesn’t even have a chance at competing at present, though I still hope we’ll rally.

It’s very depressing that out the outset of Season 2, no matter how hard we fight or the effort an individual puts in, they simply have no hope of getting a Mistforged Weapon this season. Meanwhile, someone that transferred to a server will a sure shot at placing even 3rd or 4th and puts in the minimum work for the Meta gets a guaranteed 300+ tickets.

This just doesn’t seem like a fair way to distribute the rewards when servers within a league are so disparately balanced. I suggest all end of season chests contain enough tickets for 1 mistforged weapon with maybe a charge of tokens for lower placed servers. Servers that place in the top three simply can get an extra Mistforged, or have those extra tickets for the other rewards. That would be more balanced in my opinion.

Don’t feel bad sor dude my server DB worked there butt off to get into gold league to place last every week and not get enough tickets. Good job db having so much fun this week with 100 man sos blobs on every map and horrible skill lag.

Coldin.2840:

So, as I understand it, only the top 5 servers of each league will get enough tickets to buy a Mistforged Weapon this season. This means that for Silver League, 4 servers will be stuck without them. My own server SoR doesn’t even have a chance at competing at present, though I still hope we’ll rally.

It’s very depressing that out the outset of Season 2, no matter how hard we fight or the effort an individual puts in, they simply have no hope of getting a Mistforged Weapon this season. Meanwhile, someone that transferred to a server will a sure shot at placing even 3rd or 4th and puts in the minimum work for the Meta gets a guaranteed 300+ tickets.

This just doesn’t seem like a fair way to distribute the rewards when servers within a league are so disparately balanced. I suggest all end of season chests contain enough tickets for 1 mistforged weapon with maybe a charge of tokens for lower placed servers. Servers that place in the top three simply can get an extra Mistforged, or have those extra tickets for the other rewards. That would be more balanced in my opinion.

You won’t get a Mistforged Hero’s Weapon but you will get a Hero’s Weapon, which can be upgraded into a Mistforged Hero’s Weapon in the mystic forge.

I wonder how many from 6 and below transfer for the weapon skin week 3 ish and then return at the end of season. Don’t know if I would, but I’d consider it….

Donut.6914:

You won’t get a Mistforged Hero’s Weapon but you will get a Hero’s Weapon, which can be upgraded into a Mistforged Hero’s Weapon in the mystic forge.

Which takes an ingredient that costs tickets aswell. In the end it costs the same amount of tickets.
So the 6th place and lower servers arent getting a mistforged weapon this season no matter what.

In otherwords, even more reason to have stacked on 1 server. Easier to complete meta achievement and a better reward.
I cant believe someone actually thought this was a good idea.

It’s all business and nothing personal. People want those mistforged weapons so much they’re going to get them by abandoning servers that don’t stand much of a chance.

Chuck Zitto.2367:

Don’t feel bad sor dude my server DB worked there butt off to get into gold league to place last every week and not get enough tickets. Good job db having so much fun this week with 100 man sos blobs on every map and horrible skill lag.

leaching rating off of a dead server for 2 weeks = working your butt off?

lmao ok dude, DB undeservedly got into gold league because of a kittenty rating system….nothing else.

mistforged weapons look like kitten anyway, youre better off spending your stuff on other things

Coldin.2840:

It’s very depressing that out the outset of Season 2, no matter how hard we fight or the effort an individual puts in, they simply have no hope of getting a Mistforged Weapon this season. Meanwhile, someone that transferred to a server will a sure shot at placing even 3rd or 4th and puts in the minimum work for the Meta gets a guaranteed 300+ tickets.

If it makes you feel any better, the free transfers to high-ranked servers have ruined the fun for people already on those servers too. Gandara’s queues have gone from 60/20/0/0 to 200/150/150/150. GG Anet.

Terrahero.9358:

Donut.6914:

You won’t get a Mistforged Hero’s Weapon but you will get a Hero’s Weapon, which can be upgraded into a Mistforged Hero’s Weapon in the mystic forge.

Which takes an ingredient that costs tickets aswell. In the end it costs the same amount of tickets.
So the 6th place and lower servers arent getting a mistforged weapon this season no matter what.

In otherwords, even more reason to have stacked on 1 server. Easier to complete meta achievement and a better reward.
I cant believe someone actually thought this was a good idea.

Most likely it will cost tickets OR badges. Not both.

If getting a mistforged weapon was that important to you, it’s easily predictable which FREE transfer servers would finish in the top 5 of their league.
If it’s still important to you, you can still transfer whenever you like.

In competitions, not everyone wins. Not everyone gets just ‘participation’ awards and a glass of juice.
There are winners, and there are losers.
Since everyone CAN technically be a winner by transferring, it’s up to the individual to decide what their price is, for being on a winning team.

I think it’s perfect as it is, what would be the point of great looking skins if everyone could have them?

Spiky.8403:

I think it’s perfect as it is, what would be the point of great looking skins if everyone could have them?

It would be funny if 6-9 did transfer for the skins leaving no one in wvw….. I know not realistic, but possible.

I think Anet should make those weapon skins serverbound. You decide to change servers after the tournament, then you lose your skin.

Spiky.8403:

I think it’s perfect as it is, what would be the point of great looking skins if everyone could have them?

I agree, its a good thing that anet made it so that only 6/9 people could have them(over half the player base), and no matter how skilled the remaining 3/9 people are, they have to wait till the next season to get one.

Nobody cares your skill as an individual. You suppose to play as a server and win or lose as a server. If you care so much about pixel weapons; you should have transferred to a better server before the start of tournament.

Shifu.4321:

Terrahero.9358:

Donut.6914:

You won’t get a Mistforged Hero’s Weapon but you will get a Hero’s Weapon, which can be upgraded into a Mistforged Hero’s Weapon in the mystic forge.

Which takes an ingredient that costs tickets aswell. In the end it costs the same amount of tickets.
So the 6th place and lower servers arent getting a mistforged weapon this season no matter what.

In otherwords, even more reason to have stacked on 1 server. Easier to complete meta achievement and a better reward.
I cant believe someone actually thought this was a good idea.

Most likely it will cost tickets OR badges. Not both.

Most likely it will be both.

If it was just badges everyone in their right mind would just get the regular weapon and upgrade with badges.

Considering the straight up mistforged is 300 tickets, I find it hard to believe that you will need both, since you need 100 tickets for the weapon, 200 tickets AND 250 badges plus misc items total for 1 mistforged item that you create through the MF.

So you think that instead arenanet will just let you save up 200 tickets in exchange for just 250 badges?

So, in other words. Instead of spending 300 tickets to buy one mistforged weapon. You can spend an extra 750 badges and get three mistforged weapons?

I admire your optimism, but i really dont think so.

get the wxp much better then that weapon

Caring about skins more than fights. This game…

To be honest, everything about this tournament seems poorly thought out. There was no reason to give people less tickets for lower ranked servers. They could have just given out the same amount of tickets to everybody regardless of server rank. Someone who fights hard in the last place server deserves just as much of a reward who does so on the first place server, if not more. Any true WvWer would fight for their server for the sake of fighting for their server, this whole “rewards based on server placement” thing basically spits on that philosophy. Don’t even get me started on how this tournament brings a bunch of PvE players into WvW who don’t know what they are doing and who are more interested in the shiny prize at the end and ticking off their achievement list than actually being helpful. Not to mention that the queues (which used to be existent but bearable on my server) are now ridiculously long and the even more commonplace skill lag that comes from having every side on every map full of players.

To top it all off, I just don’t understand who even WANTED this. Most WvWers would fight regardless of the tournament, PvE players are now forced into an unfamiliar environment because they just want to get their achievement points done. Anyone new to WvW who might’ve been converted into a regular WvW player is probably just frustrated by the skill lag and queues to the point where they’ll never come back after the season.

Chunky Milk.2130:

Caring about skins more than fights. This game…

EXACTLY: THIS GAME.

I don’t know what’s so hard to understand, cosmetics matter, and the ultimate objective for a big portion of the playerbase is to collect rare and cool looking cosmetics.

Uhm, unless I am reading it wrong EVERYONE will be able to get at least 2 mistforged weapons even if your server places last.

100 tickets for the hero weapon and 250 badges for the gift and some gold will make a mistforged weapon, so even if you place last and only get 200 tickets you will still be able to make 2 if you want to.

Alex.9268:

Uhm, unless I am reading it wrong EVERYONE will be able to get at least 2 mistforged weapons even if your server places last.

100 tickets for the hero weapon and 250 badges for the gift and some gold will make a mistforged weapon, so even if you place last and only get 200 tickets you will still be able to make 2 if you want to.

You need 200 tickets AND 250 badges for the gift of heroes.

If you want to get one weapon within one season, your server needs to place 5th and above. Personally, I don’t agree with the rewards. As mentioned before, everyone fights hard regardless of server. Last placed servers should be given the bare minimum of 300 tickets at least while maybe offering the top 3 servers enough tickets to get two weapons within one season.

So something like:
1st 700
2nd 650
3rd 600
4th 550
5th 500
6th 450
7th 400
8th 350
9th 300

I don’t know though, maybe they did this intentionally so not everyone would get a weapon after one season. Exclusivity and all that, I suppose.

what’s really sad is that nothing in this game is sacred. there are no rare weapons that nobody can get, and it will continue to be that way. so what if your server doesn’t get a mistforged weapon? why even have them cost anything at all if everyone gets one so they can feel good about themselves. this is everything that’s wrong with gw2.

Spicyhash.7605:

what’s really sad is that nothing in this game is sacred. there are no rare weapons that nobody can get, and it will continue to be that way. so what if your server doesn’t get a mistforged weapon? why even have them cost anything at all if everyone gets one so they can feel good about themselves. this is everything that’s wrong with gw2.

You speak as though it takes skill to acquire these skins. No, it does not. It requires 1800 gems or whatever the costs are now. Tying rewards to your server is not the way to go about this.

I’m from DB and I’m not discouraged by the fact that I may have to wait to get a Mistforged weapon. The guild groups in T2 and T1 are so skilled and there are so many more fights that it’s more fun, if I could choose myself I’m fine with getting 6th and no Mistforged weapon in return for more fights/fun.

Chunky Milk.2130:

Caring about skins more than fights. This game…

As it is, low ranked servers barely get any good fights. If I want something close to resembling a good fight, I have to head to just one borderlands and even then it’s still pretty stacked against us. Otherwise I head to EOTM, but I could do that any server.

So, from my perspective, I’m not getting good fights or skins.

Terrahero.9358:

So you think that instead arenanet will just let you save up 200 tickets in exchange for just 250 badges?

So, in other words. Instead of spending 300 tickets to buy one mistforged weapon. You can spend an extra 750 badges and get three mistforged weapons?

I admire your optimism, but i really dont think so.

What’s the point of adding the MF recipe then, if you’re gonna go spend MORE and do the extra effort, for the exact same item?

Why aren’t the tournament tickets part of just normal playing, say daily reward chests or capturing towers / keeps / stuff.

Wizzey.7845:

To be honest, everything about this tournament seems poorly thought out. There was no reason to give people less tickets for lower ranked servers. They could have just given out the same amount of tickets to everybody regardless of server rank. Someone who fights hard in the last place server deserves just as much of a reward who does so on the first place server, if not more. Any true WvWer would fight for their server for the sake of fighting for their server, this whole “rewards based on server placement” thing basically spits on that philosophy. Don’t even get me started on how this tournament brings a bunch of PvE players into WvW who don’t know what they are doing and who are more interested in the shiny prize at the end and ticking off their achievement list than actually being helpful. Not to mention that the queues (which used to be existent but bearable on my server) are now ridiculously long and the even more commonplace skill lag that comes from having every side on every map full of players.

To top it all off, I just don’t understand who even WANTED this. Most WvWers would fight regardless of the tournament, PvE players are now forced into an unfamiliar environment because they just want to get their achievement points done. Anyone new to WvW who might’ve been converted into a regular WvW player is probably just frustrated by the skill lag and queues to the point where they’ll never come back after the season.

Not everyone deserves free stuff you know. Everyone knew the rules before the season started.

And your post is all over the map.

Shifu.4321:

Terrahero.9358:

So you think that instead arenanet will just let you save up 200 tickets in exchange for just 250 badges?

So, in other words. Instead of spending 300 tickets to buy one mistforged weapon. You can spend an extra 750 badges and get three mistforged weapons?

I admire your optimism, but i really dont think so.

What’s the point of adding the MF recipe then, if you’re gonna go spend MORE and do the extra effort, for the exact same item?

This.

You will get between 200 & 275 tickets this season.
Season 3, you’ll get the same amount of tickets and you will be able to buy a skin.
It will take you a year to have a skin that a top tier will have in 9 weeks.

It seems pretty obvious but I may be wrong.

So your server needs to be in the top 2/3 of your league for you to get the shiny rewards. Oh, the horror. Who ever heard of one having to win before one if rewarded?

Shifu.4321:

Terrahero.9358:

So you think that instead arenanet will just let you save up 200 tickets in exchange for just 250 badges?

So, in other words. Instead of spending 300 tickets to buy one mistforged weapon. You can spend an extra 750 badges and get three mistforged weapons?

I admire your optimism, but i really dont think so.

What’s the point of adding the MF recipe then, if you’re gonna go spend MORE and do the extra effort, for the exact same item?

Jon Snow, is that you?

I don’t get this myself either. I myself am on Gandara and have been for a while, our server is in many people’s eyes one of the main contenders for winner of EU silver. Now 10 days ago this wouldn’t have been the case, but then free transfers kicked in. Almost the entirety of the former Underworld server is here now, a tonne of others from lower tiers and more from all over the shop. We were getting 100 man instead of 20 or so on EB, the latter not even having been that frequent. I don’t recognise 90% of the people in map/team chat, some of the new guys are obnoxious kittenes, and what’s worse is that I found 3 of them hiding in a t3 tower from 5 FR, 2 of which were upscales. Which kinda upsetted me. Now that the seasons have hit we’re getting 300 man EB queues, >100 for other maps and 20 on Obsidian Kitty Sanctum, on which I led towards the end of reset night; all of the players weren’t good at listening or following commands either.

Piken guilds and organisation destroy us pretty well at primetime, FSP is no weak contender either and does hand it to us many times also. Ofc this doesn’t matter as we can just cap all of their stuff whilst they’re in bed sleeping, or going to work as we have night players now and some Australians. This means we’ll get lots of nice mist forged weapons for our skill.

I was also going to say something about Mistforged being given to every single person on every single server because the PvE crowd trample us on their way to achievement points. Why are there no WvW rewards which are, say, for WvW players? Upgrading, sieging up towers, escorting Dolyaks, refreshing siege, scouting, that kind of stuff on top of just zerging around in circles. They know how to do that part already from their champagne trains. It’s partially what the other guy posted about nothing being sacred. How can we feel good as player base when every fractal runner and his mother is running around waving one of these things. Maybe Mistforged should say ‘that guy there is a WvW player, he is’. Give it to everyone, but don’t give it to yknow, everyone (PvEveryone).

Immolator.5640:

I don’t get this myself either. I myself am on Gandara and have been for a while, our server is in many people’s eyes one of the main contenders for winner of EU silver. Now 10 days ago this wouldn’t have been the case, but then free transfers kicked in. Almost the entirety of the former Underworld server is here now, a tonne of others from lower tiers and more from all over the shop. We were getting 100 man instead of 20 or so on EB, the latter not even having been that frequent. I don’t recognise 90% of the people in map/team chat, some of the new guys are obnoxious kittenes, and what’s worse is that I found 3 of them hiding in a t3 tower from 5 FR, 2 of which were upscales. Which kinda upsetted me. Now that the seasons have hit we’re getting 300 man EB queues, >100 for other maps and 20 on Obsidian Kitty Sanctum, on which I led towards the end of reset night; all of the players weren’t good at listening or following commands either.

Piken guilds and organisation destroy us pretty well at primetime, FSP is no weak contender either and does hand it to us many times also. Ofc this doesn’t matter as we can just cap all of their stuff whilst they’re in bed sleeping, or going to work as we have night players now and some Australians. This means we’ll get lots of nice mist forged weapons for our skill.

I was also going to say something about Mistforged being given to every single person on every single server because the PvE crowd trample us on their way to achievement points. Why are there no WvW rewards which are, say, for WvW players? Upgrading, sieging up towers, escorting Dolyaks, refreshing siege, scouting, that kind of stuff on top of just zerging around in circles. They know how to do that part already from their champagne trains. It’s partially what the other guy posted about nothing being sacred. How can we feel good as player base when every fractal runner and his mother is running around waving one of these things. Maybe Mistforged should say ‘that guy there is a WvW player, he is’. Give it to everyone, but don’t give it to yknow, everyone (PvEveryone).

that’s a lot of kittyning cognitive bias in one post. Almost everything you said is not backed by anything but your own opinion and experiences.

Shifu.4321:

Terrahero.9358:

So you think that instead arenanet will just let you save up 200 tickets in exchange for just 250 badges?

So, in other words. Instead of spending 300 tickets to buy one mistforged weapon. You can spend an extra 750 badges and get three mistforged weapons?

I admire your optimism, but i really dont think so.

What’s the point of adding the MF recipe then, if you’re gonna go spend MORE and do the extra effort, for the exact same item?

My bet, so you can buy the hero weapon so you still have something. And then after season3 you can upgrade it to mistforged.

That makes a whole lot more sense then arenanet letting you triple the big season 2 reward for the low price of just 750 badges. Which is really not that much.

When has arenanet ever been so forthcomming and gave wvw a good reward? And with badges of all things.
But if you want to keep high hopes feel free. Just giving you fair warning.

That’s because it was an anecdote; I wasn’t trying to persuade you to buy my product, nor pretending to know other people’s experiences. I only posted what my own experience were, as that was what I’ve experienced xD nor did I post anything completely inflammatory for you to jump on. Why do you think I, being myself, should post about Bob or Fred’s experiences and opinions rather than my own?

Immolator.5640:

That’s because it was an anecdote; I wasn’t trying to persuade you to buy my product, nor pretending to know other people’s experiences. I only posted what my own experience were, as that was what I’ve experienced xD nor did I post anything completely inflammatory for you to jump on. Why do you think I, being myself, should post about Bob or Fred’s experiences and opinions rather than my own?

you worded it as if it was actually what was happening.

Really? capping at night? today morning at 8 AM Gandara was at +205 while Piken was at +250 and shiverpeaks at +183. Now at 15:00 Gandara is at +365, piken at +170, shiverpeaks at +125. Oh so 8 AM is actually primetime, and 15:00 is actually the time people are sleeping?

This just invalidates your theory that Gandara only wins because we have late night shift cappers.

“Almost every single underworld guild” you mean 2 guilds and maybe 50 more members, that statement was a gross generalization and comes to tell you have no idea what you’re talking about.

So stop talking out of your cat.

Well, Lusa, SPGR, Mayh, RUM, TS, WAR despite disbanding, are all here from UW. So 2 guilds isn’t exactly true either. I don’t pretend to know exactly what’s going on whilst I’m asleep or at work, however I know that we have a couple Australian guilds here now, and a self-proclaimed ‘big’ NA guild as well as a couple NA commanders. I stated what I know and that’s what I know, I also said that we ‘can’ cap stuff outside of prime, seeing as in prime most of the fights we’re getting destroyed, I assume that’s how we’re ahead, that and again the queues on every map.

Anyways sorry for posting my view of things, which I didn’t claim to be gospel truth, and offending you, good sir. I’ll refrain from posting here again, in respect for your opinion and comfort. And again I apologise for miscounting those guilds above, as there are definitely only 2 of them and they cannot have more than 50 players between them. My deepest condolences.

Carzor Stelatis.9435:

Coldin.2840:

It’s very depressing that out the outset of Season 2, no matter how hard we fight or the effort an individual puts in, they simply have no hope of getting a Mistforged Weapon this season. Meanwhile, someone that transferred to a server will a sure shot at placing even 3rd or 4th and puts in the minimum work for the Meta gets a guaranteed 300+ tickets.

If it makes you feel any better, the free transfers to high-ranked servers have ruined the fun for people already on those servers too. Gandara’s queues have gone from 60/20/0/0 to 200/150/150/150. GG Anet.

Thats not Anets fault but the greedy people stacking on a server with high potential to win the league.

Offair.2563:

Carzor Stelatis.9435:

Coldin.2840:

It’s very depressing that out the outset of Season 2, no matter how hard we fight or the effort an individual puts in, they simply have no hope of getting a Mistforged Weapon this season. Meanwhile, someone that transferred to a server will a sure shot at placing even 3rd or 4th and puts in the minimum work for the Meta gets a guaranteed 300+ tickets.

If it makes you feel any better, the free transfers to high-ranked servers have ruined the fun for people already on those servers too. Gandara’s queues have gone from 60/20/0/0 to 200/150/150/150. GG Anet.

Thats not Anets fault but the greedy people stacking on a server with high potential to win the league.

I’ll still hold Anet partially responsible since they designed the tournament in such a way that server stacking is encouraged to have the best chance of winning awards. Also offering the free transfers to a selection of servers that players could simply choose one to stack on.

Anet just needs to stop with these server-wide rewards.

It’s incredibly unfair to those who do WvW everyday yet still end up getting rewards for a 9th place win because the server’s WvW is not that great while someone who simply needs to play a few days worth of WvW on a strong server for the 10 achievements gets far better rewards.

If Anet does not change things for the next tournament, I might as well just transfer to whatever bandwagon server is for that tournament.

It just seems like The WvW team just has no idea what they’re doing in terms of population. They failed in their efforts for the first tournament and they failed again for the second.

Immolator.5640:

Well, Lusa, SPGR, Mayh, RUM, TS, WAR despite disbanding, are all here from UW. So 2 guilds isn’t exactly true either. I don’t pretend to know exactly what’s going on whilst I’m asleep or at work, however I know that we have a couple Australian guilds here now, and a self-proclaimed ‘big’ NA guild as well as a couple NA commanders. I stated what I know and that’s what I know, I also said that we ‘can’ cap stuff outside of prime, seeing as in prime most of the fights we’re getting destroyed, I assume that’s how we’re ahead, that and again the queues on every map.

Anyways sorry for posting my view of things, which I didn’t claim to be gospel truth, and offending you, good sir. I’ll refrain from posting here again, in respect for your opinion and comfort. And again I apologise for miscounting those guilds above, as there are definitely only 2 of them and they cannot have more than 50 players between them. My deepest condolences.

oh ok so we get “destroyed” in fights, yet we manage to hold critical points captured during primetime, either you’re one of the worst commanders in our server or you’re incredibly unlucky, or the other servers are losing in purpose, because apparently they are mopping the floor with us but in 3 days time they still haven’t managed to make a comeback.

the numbers talk, and they say a lot more than you, and the numbers at the moment say that gandara is winning by a big enough margin that by the law of averages, it HAS to mean gandara wins more battles than the other servers, and that gandara has more numbers.

Offair.2563:

Thats not Anets fault but the greedy people stacking on a server with high potential to win the league.

ANet created the incentive and players responded to it. The reward structure appeals to greed in that way because winning in every tier in WvW that aren’t highly populated around the clock is based more on population and coverage than skill or effort. Outside the top few servers, what does winning represent?

style.6173:

Not everyone deserves free stuff you know. Everyone knew the rules before the season started.

And people deserve free stuff because the transferred to a stacked server and rode it to victory? If the rewards were clearly based on skill or effort, I think there would be fewer complaints. The problem is that outside the top tier, the reward is based on population and coverage, not skill or effort. And even where the reward is based on skill, that seems to encourage the players to tell less skilled, non-optimized, and/or up-level-playing players to go away, which runs counter to what the designers say is a core principle of the game, which is that players should never be unhappy to see other players or have a reason to tell them to go away.

XacTactX.6709:

I’m from DB and I’m not discouraged by the fact that I may have to wait to get a Mistforged weapon. The guild groups in T2 and T1 are so skilled and there are so many more fights that it’s more fun, if I could choose myself I’m fine with getting 6th and no Mistforged weapon in return for more fights/fun.

I feel sorry for you being on db.

Funny how most of the responses are that not everyone or every server should get a Mistforged Weapon so quickly. You know what, why not make it more exclusive? 300 tickets for the top server of each league and 200 tickets and decreasing for the rest of the league. Hey, it’s just like you guys said, not everyone deserves it, am I right?

The sheer ignorance of some people. Unbelievable.

EmoDevo.3209:

Funny how most of the responses are that not everyone or every server should get a Mistforged Weapon so quickly. You know what, why not make it more exclusive? 300 tickets for the top server of each league and 200 tickets and decreasing for the rest of the league. Hey, it’s just like you guys said, not everyone deserves it, am I right?

A very good point. Why is it OK to exclude the bottom half of the league and not the #2 ranked server and lower?