So, the other day a thief hit my “balanced” warrior build (1500 toughness, ) for 17,000 damage with a backstab. Basically, I was two shotted. Screenshot provided. The black powder right after was the thief getting ready to cloak again to hit again for that same damage I imagine.
Playing a thief is easy mode. If you don’t have one then make one and get decent with it and watch how funny it is to walk into an outnumbered skirmish and win. Things not going your way? Just stealth and reset the fight and just keep relentlessly chipping away. Anyone here that says “if the thief is stealth the whole time he’s not doing damage” has no clue what he’s talking about. I will beat you just from annoying the hell out of you relentlessly until you mess up. I can’t make a mistake because of all my get aways and “oh crap buttons.”
It got old so I’m mostly using my warrior which is fun since I have the feeling of danger and there’s a risk when I jump into a fight.
Also. If a thief is permanently stealthed how do you know he is even there? Did the bushes rustle funny, Did you hear a snickering with nobody in sight?
That’s a lot of damage even if the thief was glass. How the hell did that happen? Oh wait, it’s Maguuma you were fighting. No surprise there. I’ve seen some odd things happen when going against them. Being one shotted for 24k damage from a warrior with a rifle against one of my characters with over 3k armor, warriors teleporting, guardians who can stealth, and engineers who can walk through walls. I don’t even bother reporting them anymore, just don’t go in wvw when we’re up against them.
I’m not maining the said Thief, but hell I’m not going to play that scrub class anymore. Not because of the apparently overpowered features (can’t tell, I’ve only mastered Engi ans they’re a huge stone wall to Thieves) but because of that foul aura surrounding the average Thief’s superior attitude which just drives me into hunting him down even inside the ennemy territory. I’ve yet to find one who’s actually humble or funny, or just normal, as the only messages I’ve ever had after kicking them in the face were insults.
My objective part won’t think they deserve a nerf, they have a poor overall performance only compensated by a completly overpowered feature, and that makes some sort of balance, nerfing it will destroy the class outright, it would be time for the Thief’s other skills and mechanics to rise before thinking of anything. My subjective part wouldn’t care one bit if the class ever was nerfed to the ground because for all the stuff I’ve seen in here and ingame, most of these players tend to be kittens.
Oh, and the whole dark assassin shadow ninja with daggers is amongst the stalest designs.
Disgruntled Charr Engineer and Thief – Jade Quarry.
It seems like this should be posted in the spvp forums not wvw forums. Thieves are not OP in regard to winning in WvW. Their only real use is scouting, or if you have a couple running through speed finishing people to rally people.
So, the other day a thief hit my “balanced” warrior build (1500 toughness, ) for 17,000 damage with a backstab. Basically, I was two shotted. Screenshot provided. The black powder right after was the thief getting ready to cloak again to hit again for that same damage I imagine.
Playing a thief is easy mode. If you don’t have one then make one and get decent with it and watch how funny it is to walk into an outnumbered skirmish and win. Things not going your way? Just stealth and reset the fight and just keep relentlessly chipping away. Anyone here that says “if the thief is stealth the whole time he’s not doing damage” has no clue what he’s talking about. I will beat you just from annoying the hell out of you relentlessly until you mess up. I can’t make a mistake because of all my get aways and “oh crap buttons.”
It got old so I’m mostly using my warrior which is fun since I have the feeling of danger and there’s a risk when I jump into a fight.
Also. If a thief is permanently stealthed how do you know he is even there? Did the bushes rustle funny, Did you hear a snickering with nobody in sight?
Blinding powders being set off around you.
Thats a heavy amount of damage for a supposed balanced build, assuming your are correct with your build, how much might did he have (a warrior can hit for double that with HB and equal that with killshot) how much vuln did you have? do you use frenzy perchance? what food buffs did he have did you have?
You post an edited screenshot clip, with literally no other information and expect something from it? I can link you videos on youtube of warriors doing 32k to 5 people at 1500 range with killshot, should they come whine about how op warrior is?
So, the other day a thief hit my “balanced” warrior build (1500 toughness, ) for 17,000 damage with a backstab. Basically, I was two shotted. Screenshot provided. The black powder right after was the thief getting ready to cloak again to hit again for that same damage I imagine.
Playing a thief is easy mode. If you don’t have one then make one and get decent with it and watch how funny it is to walk into an outnumbered skirmish and win. Things not going your way? Just stealth and reset the fight and just keep relentlessly chipping away. Anyone here that says “if the thief is stealth the whole time he’s not doing damage” has no clue what he’s talking about. I will beat you just from annoying the hell out of you relentlessly until you mess up. I can’t make a mistake because of all my get aways and “oh crap buttons.”
It got old so I’m mostly using my warrior which is fun since I have the feeling of danger and there’s a risk when I jump into a fight.
Also. If a thief is permanently stealthed how do you know he is even there? Did the bushes rustle funny, Did you hear a snickering with nobody in sight?
Blinding powders being set off around you.
Thats a heavy amount of damage for a supposed balanced build, assuming your are correct with your build, how much might did he have (a warrior can hit for double that with HB and equal that with killshot) how much vuln did you have? do you use frenzy perchance? what food buffs did he have did you have?
You post an edited screenshot clip, with literally no other information and expect something from it? I can link you videos on youtube of warriors doing 32k to 5 people at 1500 range with killshot, should they come whine about how op warrior is?
My warrior has 1500 toughness, I had full health (nowhere near the sub 1000 toughness that glass warriors have). I had no vulnerability but I didn’t catch if he had 25 stacks of might. It’s quite possible he did since his group of guildies was near by and it’s possible that they stacked him up.
You can’t compare a kill shot to a back stab, sorry. You can see kill shot coming and it’s the easiest thing to dodge and even reflect with my shield (comedy). The thief that hit me walked right up to me completely invisible. This isn’t a “l2p” issue. No one would have saw 20k in damage coming instantly.
thief dmg needs to be toned the kitten down it’s absurd that a class that has best disingage mechanisms and cannot even be seen to get hit in the 1st place, hits someone with 1918thoughness with protection boon up for 6k backstabs and 2.5k hearseakers, if i was built for skish i would get it but i’m not
From the OP:
“Yes, I know that they have to sacrifice a substantial amount of survivability to have such high burst damage, and that would be perfectly fine, if I could attack them. "
This times 1000.
I also ignore thieves, not because I’m afraid of getting killed, but because I know they’re going to stealth and disappear when they get low. There’s no point in wasting 5 min dorking around with a thief when really all we’re doing is waiting for a random zerg to appear and finish things one way or the other.
Perma stealth has gotta go.
perma stealth = perma not attacking. Zero threat level. Also. If a thief is permanently stealthed how do you know he is even there? Did the bushes rustle funny, Did you hear a snickering with nobody in sight?
It’s perma stealth AT WILL. Means, if thief goes low, he stealths until he has regained health.
I can link you videos on youtube of warriors doing 32k to 5 people at 1500 range with killshot, should they come whine about how op warrior is?
I have to say I dislike the ‘kitten move, heal, keep kiting’ I have to use in small scale should a decent thief latch onto me, the panic at the start is rather annoying and it’s rather hard to avoid heartseeker spam and constantly revolve for fear of backstab on my poor barely mobile guardian… That said I do win most 2-3vs1 (generally WvW group builds vs solo build doesn’t go down too well) given enough time, but the thief completely removes me from the fight as I have to backpedal and counter heal/block/boon spam until stable again. Health goes down incredibly fast, losing 4k-5k in chunks is scary on a 16k character.
Anyways the glass longbow rapid fire guys deal a lot more dmg faster than heartseeker, cept they die from retaliation after a while, and you can actually see them!
I leave you with my completely irrelevant post that didn’t really favour either side properly…
