Guild Wars 2

Now I don’t often do forum posts but when I do it’s wvw related. I’m not Qqing or any of that online mumbo jumbo but fact is omega siege golems when stacked ruin the game. Cannons are near enough impossible to do anything at current state. I’m gonna name the sever. Yaks bend in my opinion one of least classy severs say as we put it ;p they’ve constantly golem rushed CDBL 24/7 and have yet even had chance to go toe to toe with them blob vs blob haha. I hope Devon sees this and bans yaks bend from wvw because I’d rather not see their golems again because that’s all it is tbh lol. Some people innocently really try hard for our sever and same for others, but it’s a real shame severs like yaks bend have re resort to gold sinking into golem investments for easy points. Tbh is kind of disgraceful I had more fun getting steamrolled by a tier 2/3 sever with their sieges and their skills. I have respect for yaks bends commanders for being skilled at golem rushes but if its all you do your gonna be good. Ps I’ve seen sup rams before and a whole Zerg run due having to fight a defended tier 3 bay . ;p

This is QQing, but I agree with you. Omega golems, were balanced when they were 5g or 500 badges a peice. Now that they are a little over 1g they are everywhere. Alphas are easy because there is usually a cannon or a mortar that can melt them, but omegas have that special luxury called range. Devon has already commented on golems when people asked if there is a cap to a map and he said there is. This was in reply to a post with a picture of 70 that were made over the span of an entire day. It’s a broken mechanic, a few golems is fine because it’s actually defendable but when they are that easy to get and used so often… I mean, I don’t even upgrade structures anymore, reinforced gates are a joke.

On a different note, please enjoy the new mastery line we’ve received, I’m not quite sure it’s as good as supply mastery, but it’s sure up there. And cheer for the increase of wxp gained from all sources! Praise the mighty Anet we can now find out where Scarlet is attacking whilst inside wvw! Anet: " guys, guys, check out our new living story content! guys check it out, it’s so fun. Here im gona make sure you know where to check it out when you’re in wvw. CHECK OUT THE NEW LIVING STORY CONTENT!`

TL;DR, Anet doesn’t give a flying kitty cat about wvw.

stacked omegas are pretty crazy. lol@cdbl’s defense

Most of the servers YB has faced has done Golem rushes, whether it be alpha or omega. Perhaps not having your entire zerg queued into EB might help you sort out the defense problem you seem to face…

Wrong, siege ruins wvw. Omega golems just speed up the process of making a borderland clean to fight in without anyone running behind their walls.

i would prefer seige being emoved in general.

btw, it is a qq post

warriorjrd.8695:

TL;DR, Anet doesn’t give a flying kitty cat about wvw.

^^

silly 15 characters

Funny when i see post of 15+ omegas proudly taking an empty BL.

Omegas are fine. Portals are the problem.

Just remove the ability for Omegas to move through portals.

teg.1340:

Omegas are fine. Portals are the problem.

Just remove the ability for Omegas to move through portals.

And remove any strategy involving the usage of golems?

MartyPartys.9187:

Wrong, siege ruins wvw. Omega golems just speed up the process of making a borderland clean to fight in without anyone running behind their walls.

Last week, only once did we have an actual fight with the group that did an omega rush. And that was only because they decided to hold Bay and built 6+ Superior ACs.
Normally they just ported off the map and went somewhere else for an hour or two hoping everyone that went to defend the other keeps leaves by the time they come back to paper another one.
Not a single clean open field fight.

Why do people always wish they were playing checkers when they’re sitting down at a chess board?

I totally agree with OP here, if a piece of siege is so effective that it can ACTUALLY help you capture a T3 keep then it should be nerfed. T3 keeps were never intended to be captured by enemies. Amirite?

Honestly though I’d like to see ram mastery, so that the rams you drop have some sort of immunity system against projectiles (maybe just AC damage or all projectile not sure) for the person using it, and of course the ram itself should get a huge damage reduction from arrow carts (how unrealistic is it not that arrows can destroy a wooden piece of siege?)

Clearly we need depleted uranium cannons to resolve this.

Nope just an Inquest Electromagnetic Pulse generator.

Thank you, Liu, for bringing up, what`s bothering me for quite a while. Game went worse since the introduction of sellable siege weapons. Siege wars? Why bothering, just send 4-8 Omegas… There is no defense that can defend versus a sizable force of enemies with 4-8 of these.

In my opinion even Alphas should be last ressort, heavy investment and a rare sight. Instead the far more powerful Omega became the standard way to go. I mean, Anet themselve valued Omegas at 5g + mats + skillpoints each, and now, just buy 5 of them for the same investment without even spending skillpoints…

You want a GW2 without all the above mentioned QQing? SPVP. JeeJee

come to whiteside ridge, no golems at all here…

Max golems I’ve seen in lower tier match ups are 3-4. If you actually want to do real WvW try transferring to a lower tier server. The zergs actually fight each other without siege… basically everything you are looking for is in the lower tiers you just refuse to transfer to them so don’t complain about it.

Wall of reflection destroys omega you can chain the spells to where an omega will never land a hit on your keep or tower. In a way omega are worst then the stander because of this.

A few thoughts;

1. As the supply of golems drains from the TP (and they are draining) the price of golems will rise. This is good, the problem will fix itself to an extent over time.
2. The money supply is being inflated, making it easier to get the money to buy a golem. Today’s 5g is yesterday’s 1g, etc etc. This is bad; the price of golems from the vendor will not rise to match it. Only Mithril and Elder Wood prices will rise, and whether they will rise is questionable, and they’re a minimal portion of the overall price of an Omega.

gotem.5284:

Max golems I’ve seen in lower tier match ups are 3-4. If you actually want to do real WvW try transferring to a lower tier server. The zergs actually fight each other without siege… basically everything you are looking for is in the lower tiers you just refuse to transfer to them so don’t complain about it.

This is true to a point. NSP has been known to drop a few golems and rush a borderlands. Or in the case of one commanders bday party they maxed the golem limit. However typically you wont see more than 6 golems with maybe 1-2 of them bieng omega’s.

+10 this is the best thread ever.

1. You cry when we destroy your zergs, saying we unfairly used terrain / siege / “tactics”

2. You cry when our army of golems knock down your borderlands

3. You cry when we wipe out your unorganized golem strike. As a note CD good call on being sneaky sneaky porting your golems to water gate. Especially when they sat in the Oil. O wait we hacked or unfairly used scouts or whatever

I am waiting to see a post where it is unfair for yaksbend to use comms, because it gives us an unfair advantage of organization.

Yaksbend = Evil Empire

With that I hope you walking bags will come back to WvW so we can “unfairly” use organized tactics to wipe you out.

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I admit to not finishing the OP’s wall of text, but I’m guessing

I’m not Qqing

is false.

c/d?

Kurieg.4158:

I admit to not finishing the OP’s wall of text, but I’m guessing

I’m not Qqing

is false.

c/d?

Why? because you know I’m right ;d

Siege wars 2 dawg, because utility skills were too confusing for the casual masses.

ANET has a daily Golem achievement specifically for YB.

Liu.4751:

Kurieg.4158:

I admit to not finishing the OP’s wall of text, but I’m guessing

I’m not Qqing

is false.

c/d?

Why? because you know I’m right ;d

Sorry, nop. cccccccccc was the correct online mumbo jumbo response.

Yaks player here.

Maybe Omega’s need a retune, I dunno. There’s a good chance that there are counters you just haven’t found yet. Most of the golem rushes I’ve been in have been successful because they were hitting soft targets. Our scouts will find a keep or tower that has almost nobody in it, then we’ll get some golems and roll it while the opponents have their entire WvW population trying to hold SM. I’ve been in more than a few golem rushes that fall apart completely because the mez portals aren’t there or the mezes are inexperienced and don’t know what to do.

The OP seems to suggest that, in these cases, porting our Yes They Are Still Kind of Expensive golems back to our stronghold is cowardly, rather than leaving them in the field to get destroyed from range. Feeding your kill farming is not an obligation. It’s actually stupid.

I’ve noticed in particular this week that CD tends to have everyone in one place most of the time. While you were pushing our EBG stronghold from SM with a giant red horde, we had teams capping everything in sight in your BL. Strangely, most of our commanders seem to look at the score timer.

Why isn’t Kain here QQing about this? Maybe they are busy playing …

There’s no reason why CD or any other server couldn’t do what YB is doing.
The CD zergs that I’ve seen running are simply huge – and there only ever seems to be one of them at a time. Can you really fault another server for taking advantage of this? Perhaps a change in strategy is required…
As the old adage goes: evolve or die.

Golems are the reason we upgrade cannons first on keeps on kain as cannons are a weapon that can slow down a golem rush (forces attacking forces to kill cannons, as golems can ignore arrow carts which makes the keep cap slower so you can get your response team in place).

What you can do about them? Scout. Have cannons for your scouts to use.

Evolve or die.

What if Golem’s were un-refreshable? Once you build them you have 1 hour to use them and that’s it then they’re gone.

First off, I think the OP is just using an example for the matchup between CD/YB, albiet it is not a very good example. So YB folks, don’t take it personally

The whole point is the suggestion of a siege cap on golems. Not sure if you guys have been on the receving end of a 50 omega golem rush by a T2 server before, it wasnt pretty and there isnt a single thing you can do. At least if its normal siege, you could counter it. Its just a suggestion to help lower pop servers like YB/CD to have some sort of chance against high pop servers

I think they should tie the use of Golems (mainly Omegas) to the score, in that you have to be losing by __ amount to be able to build/use them. While I do not put any merit in the PPT/score; even I admit it is ridiculous to see servers with 500ppt running around with 6-10 omegas capping everything in sight, while their enemies fight with the outmanned buff.

I’m not a huge fan of golems or pug blobs either, but T3, waypointed, 1000+ supply keeps are also pretty stupid. At that point golems or night capping are your two best options because very few organized guilds want to invest a large amount of time in a regular siege of a keep that involves trebbing for a long time and wading though dozens of ACs if the keep is being actively defended by a large force.

Although I think anet went about it in entirely the wrong way, I actually like that things are flipping more often now. It’s more of a cat and mouse game and organized groups can defend a paper structure if they really want to, while upgrades are less effective at defending things for you.

i dont have to read this entire post to tell you that siege is in the game for a reason.

Mag does 30+ golem rushes on us before. everyone just wants to have some fun.

oh and we’ll go toe to toe with you anytime.

QQ for for me, QQ for you. I’ll have a Q, you have one too!

This guy, not only he takes the time to look up names of the players on the server and message quite a few of them to cry about getting owned… but now hes coming to the forums to cry a bit more >.< fun stuff. This is how you know you OWN someone big time.

lets face it ownage is ownage.

dont hate the players hate NCSoft for making content you hate.

Would you be ok if we take on you guys with low level naked characters? would this be more to your liking?

question.. did NCSoft block you guys from using any type of siege? or are you guys limited to countless arrow carts and exploits? dont cry.. siege us back.. I’m sure we wont cry.

This has got to be the most ridiculous thread i’v seen in a long time. First of all to go and call out our specific server for doing golem rushes is simply immature and petty.
Every server with the least bit of knowledge about WvW will pull out some impressive golem rushes, and because you fail to prepare to defend against them or to even see them coming(ever heard of scouts?) you ask Anet to get rid of them? please. Get out of your little bubble.

Mass Golem rushes are nothing new, I even recall Team Legacy pulling a 100 golems rush on the beta weekend a year ago. There are ways to stop golem rushes(yes even omegas), siege is in the game for a reason and if your server cant be bothered to make good use of it, you cant blame other servers for doing so.

picture this, your enemy brings 50 people and 20 omega golems to your keep, you have one scout inside. No matter how much he shoots the cannons or fires the mortars he can’t destroy all the omega’s if any at all due to the golem’s chaining the 3 skill. The gates while taking a mere 5-10 seconds to take down become practically useless.

So far we have 50 people, 20 omega golems for the offense, and 1-2 defenders. At the start of the assault you see the scouts screaming in all caps on /team /map chat or in teamspeak that everyone needs to get to the keep. However no matter how fast your zerg runs they simply can’t make it to the lord’s room in time to be able to defend or even set up defensive siege, even if the siege is already built for such instances there won’t be anyone besides the scout(s) who can man it. Given the time it took the ones on the offensive to break in and kill the keep lord (estimating it takes about 1-2 minutes) the defense is at an extreme disadvantage for 2 reasons.

1) the offense is neatly balled up and probably has siege and plenty of players casting AoE on the circle instantly melting anyone who jumps in to try and contest it.

2) Given the amount of time the defense has to get inside and defend is minimal so there is no time to stack up execute a flank or any other defensive strategy leaving the defense with only one option; to stream into the lord’s room a few at a time getting instantly melted by the 50 man zerg as well as not even being able to contest the circle sometimes because of the omegas huge AoE knockback (2 skill).

EDIT: I realize this may not apply to all servers but to the low ranking servers like mine it is a very cheap tactic, not saying my server doesn’t do it but it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that the concept of ninja’ing keeps via omega golem rushes is broke. Sorry for being a noob and not having 2 30+ man zergs patrol both sides of the map every hour of the day like you t3+ servers T.T

Picture this:

One guy, one world, one server..

In a world where golems rush. There is but one man willing to risk it all to defend his great server. MrFluffy in “the man who single-handedly defended his keep”

I would go see it.

fact… not our fault if you are dumb enough to put all your forces in one HUGE zerg to overpower everyone on the field and then still expect to defend your keeps. Lets face it, we all would LOVE an easy button, until then we can all cry about it on this forums.

“Does who can’t.. Cry”

Just wait for 25+ Omegas with Golem Mastery pilots. That’s when we’ll have 25 vs 25 Omega GvG!

Punisherz.5271:

Picture this:

One guy, one world, one server..

In a world where golems rush. There is but one man willing to risk it all to defend his great server. MrFluffy in “the man who single-handedly defended his keep”

I would go see it.

fact… not our fault if you are dumb enough to put all your forces in one HUGE zerg to overpower everyone on the field and then still expect to defend your keeps. Lets face it, we all would LOVE an easy button, until then we can all cry about it on this forums.

“Does who can’t.. Cry”

but of course, defending while outmanned is an over powered concept and a small group should never be able to defend against a large zerg. /sarcasm off

I started reading this thread because I was curious to see what people’s opinions were on golem rush balance, but I lost hope in the human race before getting through very many responses.

NevirSayDie.6235:

I started reading this thread because I was curious to see what people’s opinions were on golem rush balance, but I lost hope in the human race before getting through very many responses.

1. 25 omega golem rushes have been successfully defended against. We have and if you decided to sit down and figure out you could too.

2. Every time a CD keep is burned to the ground a yak gets its wing. Its not our fault we are trying to be efficient.

red wings? I want me some of that action

After reading this I am excited to jump back into some WvW for the night. Maybe I will start a golem rush just for giggles. Bah. Who am I kidding. I’m more of a loner/scout/support. I’ll let the commanders lead/organize. But I’ll pitch in for some golems. =)

But seriously, to call out a single server is just funny. I’ve been on the receiving end of those rushes more time than I have been on the offensive side. Your point may have been made stronger if you just used generic examples instead of calling out servers.

You want an entire server WvW banned because you can’t wipe them without siege and it’s and it’s not a qq post?

quickflash.6314:

NevirSayDie.6235:

I started reading this thread because I was curious to see what people’s opinions were on golem rush balance, but I lost hope in the human race before getting through very many responses.

1. 25 omega golem rushes have been successfully defended against. We have and if you decided to sit down and figure out you could too.

2. Every time a CD keep is burned to the ground a yak gets its wing. Its not our fault we are trying to be efficient.

Well that’s hope you learn some integrity as you play ingame because your sever is showing lack of it. Yeah I am calling out the sever im not going to sit behind a wall just to get out of my way from naming the sever its a video game we’re here to relax and play with integrity and fairness, and yeah I’m mad and like a yaks bend player ironically said to be once when they lost to us " its only a game man"

What the heck is with this post?