Guild Wars 2

I’d like to start off with a statement. I love that Anet is communicating with the players, and that they’re using our feedback to make adjustments to the game. It doesn’t get much better than that.

Now that’s out of the way, I’d like to ask a question. My deepest apologies if someone asked it already in a thread somewhere. Since the surveys are open to all players, how valid are the poll results if it includes players who don’t play WvW? This came up because I have WvW friends being upset with the end result of the voting.

Having a background and degree in marketing, it concerns me that thousands of players who don’t WvW are having their feedback counted. On one hand, it’s good that Anet is being inclusive to everyone. But on the other, the voices of WvWers are being drowned out by the masses of people voting “just to vote”. Sort of like political polls asking which candidate they like, as compare to asking registered voters the same question. One poll result will outweigh the other.

A suggestion to future WvW surveys – Limit responses to players with a minimum WvW rank. Something like a threshold of Rank 1000. It’s low enough that a casual WvWer would be able to achieve in the last 3 years of playing, but high enough to sort out those who don’t play WvW enough to have a say. Or an alternate suggestion would be to give weight to players with higher ranks, allowing their votes to count more. Rank 1000 gets +1 vote, 1500 gets +2, 2000 gets +3, and so on. That way, the dedicated WvWers who care more about the game mode will feel that their voice does matter.

This isn’t a matter of leaving players out. It’s more about getting accurate feedback. I’m sure if there were PvP surveys about making major changes, the PvPers would be upset if non-PvPers outvoted them.

There are still people in WvW who want to see the desert bls again. My only huge issues with them are that objectives hardly interact with each other and are too big for one person to scout effectively and the oasis is completely pointless. I actually wouldn’t mind the towers being broken up into four smaller towers that interact with each other and the nearest keep and a giant citadel being put where the oasis is so that this map can rotate with ebg and something else can rotate with alpine bl.

Pretty good points, I’ve spent minor time in pvp and wouldn’t qualify myself to vote on any changes in pvp.

If you feel a survey can be swung one way with thousands of non wvw votes, it can also be swung the other way too. So should we start up this argument every poll when someone doesn’t get the outcome they want? Why would pve players even be interested in keeping the dbl in the first place? there’s nothing there for them.

I agree for them to only let wvw players vote, if it’s possible for them to do that type of screening on accounts for a poll.

1000 ranks minimum is ridiculous though, sorry. Along with more votes for more ranks considering how many players got that many ranks in eotm (you know the place were everyone says it’s not “real wvw”), but their votes are somehow more important than that guy who maybe started wvw this year, plays only in wvw, has less than 100 ranks, but his opinion doesn’t count? Leave the minimum restriction to 10 ranks.

The question you have to ask yourself is how much of an influence are these voters who don’t play wvw to the wvw surveys.

You’ve assumed they’re a significant majority when your say they’re drowning out wvw votes, but I honestly doubt that.

Look at this latest poll, whose result has prompted you to write your post. Your friends are upset with it, no doubt. But the vote to keep dbl had about twice the number of people voting to keep it than scrap it. Do you honestly think the population size of griefers plus people who just like to vote about stuff they know nothing about (and assuming they all vote in the same way) exceeds the number of wvw voters 2:1? That seems pretty unlikely to me.

The more likely scenario is that the number of people who hate dbl is lower than you and your friends thought, and enough of the people who prefer alpine and ebg felt it was reasonable to keep one map desert so the people who prefer it can still have fun.

Suggestion: send the poll to people in game after they have been in WvW for 1 hour.

Cecilia.5179:

Suggestion: send the poll to people in game after they have been in WvW for 1 hour.

Um they already kind of do that. Do you not play?

Jayne.9251:

Cecilia.5179:

Suggestion: send the poll to people in game after they have been in WvW for 1 hour.

Um they already kind of do that. Do you not play?

I thought they did that (or that I just happened to always be in WvW when I received them), so now I don’t understand why the thread was complaining.

I’m simply suggesting a way to get an accurate number. I admit that going by rank alone doesn’t justify accuracy. Heck, I played a lot of WvW up to a year ago. My rank is around 1500 I think, but I didn’t vote because I personally felt that I shouldn’t have a say. My thoughts were that if I don’t play WvW a lot anymore, why should I vote on changes that don’t affect me.

On the flip side to my suggestion (and will probably be highly unpopular) would be to allow the Tier War Councils to coordinate with Anet. They have restricted meetings with the top commanders to work out map politics. These are the people who know what’s best for WvW play, so they could give Anet their feedback. Basically the 1% voting on what the other 99% will get. Not the best idea, but an idea none-the-less.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

I’d like to start off with a statement. I love that Anet is communicating with the players, and that they’re using our feedback to make adjustments to the game. It doesn’t get much better than that.

Now that’s out of the way, I’d like to ask a question. My deepest apologies if someone asked it already in a thread somewhere. Since the surveys are open to all players, how valid are the poll results if it includes players who don’t play WvW? This came up because I have WvW friends being upset with the end result of the voting.

Sounds like you have friends that don’t like the DBL and are simply upset that the current poll revealed them to be a minority. The fact is there were reasons for WvW players to vote in favour of retaining the DBL even if they believe the map to be deficient (like myself) and there are WvW players who do like the DBL.

The poll is open to all players but is only actively marketed to WvW players because only they receive an ingame mail about it when they rank up in WvW.

shrek.1046:

The poll is open to all players but is only actively marketed to WvW players because only they receive an ingame mail about it when they rank up in WvW.

The underlying question would be “which player votes would accurately reflect WvW players”. I mean, I’ve gained only a handful of ranks in the past several months. I get a mail saying to vote, but should my vote really count if I’m not a dedicated WvWer?

Smooth Penguin.5294:

On the flip side to my suggestion (and will probably be highly unpopular) would be to allow the Tier War Councils to coordinate with Anet. They have restricted meetings with the top commanders to work out map politics. These are the people who know what’s best for WvW play, so they could give Anet their feedback. Basically the 1% voting on what the other 99% will get. Not the best idea, but an idea none-the-less.

Oh H.E. double hockey sticks NO. Already seen how corrupt those “war councils” can be. I’ll keep my vote thanks.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

shrek.1046:

The poll is open to all players but is only actively marketed to WvW players because only they receive an ingame mail about it when they rank up in WvW.

The underlying question would be “which player votes would accurately reflect WvW players”. I mean, I’ve gained only a handful of ranks in the past several months. I get a mail saying to vote, but should my vote really count if I’m not a dedicated WvWer?

As a dedicated wvw player for the past four(?) years without interruption, I say yes without equivocation. The principle audience is people who play wvw, no matter how much. The goal is to make wvw fun and appealing to the greatest number of people to keep it alive, not to cater to the few diehards like me who’ve stuck with it for unclear reasons.

Xenesis.6389:

Oh H.E. double hockey sticks NO. Already seen how corrupt those “war councils” can be. I’ll keep my vote thanks.

You’d be surprised how many of these secret War Council meetings made the game fun for the entire population.

Choppy.4183:

As a dedicated wvw player for the past four(?) years without interruption, I say yes without equivocation. The principle audience is people who play wvw, no matter how much. The goal is to make wvw fun and appealing to the greatest number of people to keep it alive, not to cater to the few diehards like me who’ve stuck with it for unclear reasons.

That’s a good attitude to have.

I don’t want Anet to stop communicating with the players. It’s more about how can they get the most accurate feedback to the Devs. If the voting is lop sided like the last one, a bunch of rogue votes won’t matter. But what if the next vote is close?

There are players like me who play all game modes, and there are some who only play WvW. How do we dig into the mindset of the dedicated WvWer without alienating casual pugs that Anet wants playing too?

Edit – Thanks McKenna for the reply.

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

Hey guys, since I’m seeing this topic pop up a lot, I wanted to step in and clear up some misconceptions.

1. Nearly every player that voted, plays WvW at least somewhat regularly.

2. Whether they play 1 hour a week, or dozens of hours a week, the breakdown between people who voted ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ remains very constant around the 65/35 split.

3. The in-game poll notification mail is only sent to players who are actively playing WvW. They must be at least rank 10, and have ranked up while the poll was running.

oh cool.

im glad you guys take this seriously enough to make additional ways to break down the data that is (obviously) linked to our account information and all the metrics routinely taken on our play time.

out of curiosity, do you have a way to sift out obvious multiple accounts where for example a person has 30 alt accounts for farming laurels and attempts to skew the vote with his 29 extra votes or is something like that even statistically significant?

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

Hey guys, since I’m seeing this topic pop up a lot, I wanted to step in and clear up some misconceptions.

1. Nearly every player that voted, plays WvW at least somewhat regularly.

2. Whether they play 1 hour a week, or dozens of hours a week, the breakdown between people who voted ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ remains very constant around the 65/35 split.

3. The in-game poll notification mail is only sent to players who are actively playing WvW. They must be at least rank 10, and have ranked up while the poll was running.

So this means:
1) Past and present WvW players over a certain rank were not notified via email. If players were unable to log into the game this week for whatever reason ( for example: the hospital I have been at most of the time has GW2 blocked) they do not know the poll is happening at all.

2)There is no restriction on the poll itself to limit voting of non WvW players or multiple accounts.

3) WvW rank 10 would never be high enough to impact multiple accounts. Rank 1000 would be a much more appropriate measure.

I think that the surveys are imbalanced for a different reason. In regards to the linking you are asking every player to vote as a giant group rather than as a one server. From the giant mass you are basicly handing the votes so that the servers with the most people win. I think every server needs a Seperate vote on this and you base it on how many servers are happy rather than hoe many players. It’s not fair that the smaller servers don’t get a voice because we are smaller

The methodology they’re using is the best approach, so gj Anet, keep up the good work. And, yes, I’m on one of the smaller servers who lost some of its identity with the linking, it’s the only server I’ve been on since (just after) launch, and I still recognize and appreciate the methodology being used.

I’m glad you get along with the server you are on now, but your relationship with them will be severed on the 24th. The bottom tier is just going to be passed around like a cheap bottle of whiskey

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

Hey guys, since I’m seeing this topic pop up a lot, I wanted to step in and clear up some misconceptions.

1. Nearly every player that voted, plays WvW at least somewhat regularly.

2. Whether they play 1 hour a week, or dozens of hours a week, the breakdown between people who voted ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ remains very constant around the 65/35 split.

3. The in-game poll notification mail is only sent to players who are actively playing WvW. They must be at least rank 10, and have ranked up while the poll was running.

Thank you for speaking up and doing away with this asinine belief that “real” WvW players don’t like DBL and were being “drowned out” by the players that don’t ever play WvW.

Newsflash guys, just because we have a different opinion does not mean that we don’t also play the same game mode as you. You are not that important or special

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

Hey guys, since I’m seeing this topic pop up a lot, I wanted to step in and clear up some misconceptions.

1. Nearly every player that voted, plays WvW at least somewhat regularly.

2. Whether they play 1 hour a week, or dozens of hours a week, the breakdown between people who voted ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ remains very constant around the 65/35 split.

3. The in-game poll notification mail is only sent to players who are actively playing WvW. They must be at least rank 10, and have ranked up while the poll was running.

i never got an ingame mail

synergy.5809:

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

Hey guys, since I’m seeing this topic pop up a lot, I wanted to step in and clear up some misconceptions.

1. Nearly every player that voted, plays WvW at least somewhat regularly.

2. Whether they play 1 hour a week, or dozens of hours a week, the breakdown between people who voted ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ remains very constant around the 65/35 split.

3. The in-game poll notification mail is only sent to players who are actively playing WvW. They must be at least rank 10, and have ranked up while the poll was running.

i never got an ingame mail

Me either.

i gotta be honest with you…. my 175 ranks in WvW may not mean much to you… but i got dreadfully bored with Alpine… so much so that i essentially stopped REGULARLY playing the game mode back during the content drought of 2015. i was especially excited to try out DBL… but Alas! i was only able to play on the weekends (maybe only 1 or 2 nights a week) for about 9 months. from before HoT launch til about a month ago. with only 1-2 nights a week to play, and finally new content and masteries and such… i was NOT going to waste all my time in Wv, making no progress on my masteries and HoT story and such. then PvP leagues soaked up more of my play time (still only gave each season 2-3 nights total out of the 8-9 nights available to me for each season), and when i finally achieved my PvE goals, DBL was removed from play. i was so angry that Anet removed the map, that i reinstated my WvW boycott.

now that the poll results are in… i can’t help but feel amused that 65% of the vote wants DBL to stay…

i agree, however, that there should be more objectives with the size of the map. i would have preferred more towers on each side of the triangle.

one of the reasons i hate Alpine so much, is that there’s only one tower per side. towers are a lot smaller than a keep, so there should be at least 2 towers for every keep on a map, in my opinion. i will admit that i was disappointed in DBL for not having more towers as well, but it felt different.

i also personally would rather have 3 different unique borderlands. and all 3 of them would be on the WvW overworld map. it would help make WvW a lot less stale for me. i can only play the same map for so long before getting totally bored, especially when there’s so few objectives, and commanders who end up running around in circles “decoying” while the catapults in the towers pelt away at the keeps for 6 hours… can anything be more boring than that?

synergy.5809:

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

Hey guys, since I’m seeing this topic pop up a lot, I wanted to step in and clear up some misconceptions.

1. Nearly every player that voted, plays WvW at least somewhat regularly.

2. Whether they play 1 hour a week, or dozens of hours a week, the breakdown between people who voted ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ remains very constant around the 65/35 split.

3. The in-game poll notification mail is only sent to players who are actively playing WvW. They must be at least rank 10, and have ranked up while the poll was running.

i never got an ingame mail

Gain a rank in wvw and get the mail during a vote…

Look at the wvw forum 1x per week to see if there is a poll and vote.

Forgotten Legend.9281:

one of the reasons i hate Alpine so much, is that there’s only one tower per side. towers are a lot smaller than a keep, so there should be at least 2 towers for every keep on a map, in my opinion. i will admit that i was disappointed in DBL for not having more towers as well, but it felt different.

That’s kinda the point of a borderland, where the home team has a slight advantage in having an extra tower closer to their spawn. Which is why every side needs a borderland to keep it fair. EBG is the middle ground map that has equal amount of towers and keeps and camps for each side.

lil devils x.6071:

synergy.5809:

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

Hey guys, since I’m seeing this topic pop up a lot, I wanted to step in and clear up some misconceptions.

1. Nearly every player that voted, plays WvW at least somewhat regularly.

2. Whether they play 1 hour a week, or dozens of hours a week, the breakdown between people who voted ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ remains very constant around the 65/35 split.

3. The in-game poll notification mail is only sent to players who are actively playing WvW. They must be at least rank 10, and have ranked up while the poll was running.

i never got an ingame mail

Me either.

pretty sure you don’t if you have already voted. the only mail i’ve ever got was when I hadn’t already voted.

Liston.9708:

lil devils x.6071:

synergy.5809:

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

Hey guys, since I’m seeing this topic pop up a lot, I wanted to step in and clear up some misconceptions.

1. Nearly every player that voted, plays WvW at least somewhat regularly.

2. Whether they play 1 hour a week, or dozens of hours a week, the breakdown between people who voted ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ remains very constant around the 65/35 split.

3. The in-game poll notification mail is only sent to players who are actively playing WvW. They must be at least rank 10, and have ranked up while the poll was running.

i never got an ingame mail

Me either.

pretty sure you don’t if you have already voted. the only mail i’ve ever got was when I hadn’t already voted.

It was up for a couple of days before I voted.

My interpretation of this thread.

Anet should only include people who matter in the polls. Only people who matter get to decide who matters.

As a pve player this makes me very mad considering the issue that came up about Gift of Battles and the wvw reward track. So yes wvw player made a decision about something I NEED for pve. That should have been sent out to pve players as well. I am ok with polls that only focus on wvw issue, but once it effect all parts of the game, more needs to be done.

LeaveMeDead.8937:

As a pve player this makes me very mad considering the issue that came up about Gift of Battles and the wvw reward track. So yes wvw player made a decision about something I NEED for pve. That should have been sent out to pve players as well. I am ok with polls that only focus on wvw issue, but once it effect all parts of the game, more needs to be done.

W never got to vote on that. Just that the reward tracks were here to stay.
What they do with the reward tracks is up to Anet, atleast right now.

LeaveMeDead.8937:

As a pve player this makes me very mad considering the issue that came up about Gift of Battles and the wvw reward track. So yes wvw player made a decision about something I NEED for pve. That should have been sent out to pve players as well. I am ok with polls that only focus on wvw issue, but once it effect all parts of the game, more needs to be done.

If it were up to me, you could walk to a guy in LA and get it with a Universal currency and never have to step foot in WvW if you didn’t want to. I think many WvW players would like to only be able to play WvW to get what they need and PvE players should be able to access everything they need from PvE as well. There is no point in trying to torture people who obviously do not like the other game modes just to be able to have fun the way they like to.

Obivously, ANet has and uses more data than we have, do people should really chill down. This poll was not a tie, even if you take activity into account.

Now, about making “above rank 1000” vote, it has a severe bias : most of these players have their fondest memories in ABL and as such may not be really honest towards their “hate” of DBL. Moreover, the “hardcore” players are the population that’s the most likely to go down, given then time they’ve already spent on the game – it’s plain and normal to become tired of something after so much play. And new players should also have their word about the way the expect the game to be.

DBL, and rewards tracks, may (possibily) bring new players to WvW : players that just came there to do little things, and come to like this game mode. That can only be good for the overall population, because I’m also reading that WvW population going down is an issue. Here’s a solution. I understand there can be a “feeling of being replaced”, yet that’s the circle of the life too.

lil devils x.6071:

So this means:
1) Past and present WvW players over a certain rank were not notified via email. If players were unable to log into the game this week for whatever reason ( for example: the hospital I have been at most of the time has GW2 blocked) they do not know the poll is happening at all.

2)There is no restriction on the poll itself to limit voting of non WvW players or multiple accounts.

3) WvW rank 10 would never be high enough to impact multiple accounts. Rank 1000 would be a much more appropriate measure.

1) I believe it was either Tyler or McKenna that said that they are deliberately targeting players who stick around which is why notifications through actual email are probably not a thing. In short if you leave their game for three months they don’t believe you automatically have the right to impact the play experience of the players that stick with the game through those three months. The people who stick around have the advantage here, by design.

2) I agree on multiple accounts thing, but the truth is there is no foolproof way to restrict that in any web based polling system… even if the poll was entirely conducted in-game (which it should be) different accounts are deliberately separate entities and detecting potential duplicate accounts is always prone to false positives (this is because of how internet works under the hood, most people do not have real identifiable IP addresses for example). As for non-WvW players what McKenna said addresses that, besides any active player, with at least some WvW activity, should have a vote with the justification that they may get more into WvW if a poll goes a certain way.

3) Rank 10 restriction is obviously there to make it more likely the person has spend at least some reasonable time in WvW, it is not in itself meant as a system to limit multiple accounts. Also your suggestion on rank 1000 is way too high… that excludes way to many players who vary things up in the way they play the game. Rank 50 or 100 maybe, but 1000 is serious overcompensation. I have played the game since launch and I am not even rank 1000 yet (well ranks weren’t even a thing at launch so that is potentially countless unaccounted WvW hours), despite being fairly active in WvW whenever I feel like it (ie. mostly during the summer time when I actually have more time to play the game and I don’t have to pick and choose).

Smooth Penguin.5294:

shrek.1046:

The poll is open to all players but is only actively marketed to WvW players because only they receive an ingame mail about it when they rank up in WvW.

The underlying question would be “which player votes would accurately reflect WvW players”. I mean, I’ve gained only a handful of ranks in the past several months. I get a mail saying to vote, but should my vote really count if I’m not a dedicated WvWer?

Yes it should, because the idea is that we want more people to play the game mode. By getting input from different types of players from the hardcore to the casual, you get a much better idea on how to make the game mode more appealing to players in general.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

On the flip side to my suggestion (and will probably be highly unpopular) would be to allow the Tier War Councils to coordinate with Anet. They have restricted meetings with the top commanders to work out map politics. These are the people who know what’s best for WvW play, so they could give Anet their feedback. Basically the 1% voting on what the other 99% will get. Not the best idea, but an idea none-the-less.

As a member of a server’s War Council. This is a horrible horrible idea. I have my opinions on WvW and so do most other players, mine shouldn’t be valued more than the majority.

Sweet Sanity.8593:

I think that the surveys are imbalanced for a different reason. In regards to the linking you are asking every player to vote as a giant group rather than as a one server. From the giant mass you are basicly handing the votes so that the servers with the most people win. I think every server needs a Seperate vote on this and you base it on how many servers are happy rather than hoe many players. It’s not fair that the smaller servers don’t get a voice because we are smaller

This was already addressed before, they can break it down internally by what server we come from and I think only the population of 1 or 2 servers actually had No outnumber Yes. The rest were overwhelmingly in favour of linking.

lil devils x.6071:

synergy.5809:

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

Hey guys, since I’m seeing this topic pop up a lot, I wanted to step in and clear up some misconceptions.

1. Nearly every player that voted, plays WvW at least somewhat regularly.

2. Whether they play 1 hour a week, or dozens of hours a week, the breakdown between people who voted ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ remains very constant around the 65/35 split.

3. The in-game poll notification mail is only sent to players who are actively playing WvW. They must be at least rank 10, and have ranked up while the poll was running.

i never got an ingame mail

Me either.

your mailbox is possibly full or you didn’t level at all in WvW, all three of my accounts (lowest one is bronze something) got mail when they leveled, though I only voted on one since I didn’t see the point in voting on all three.

Hmm, got a mail for every poll; maybe because luck or because I actually play WvW.

I think rank 10 is too low obviously, but at the same time I don’t think one needs to be rank 1000 to care about the game mode. Even at rank 500 that’s possibly 100-200 hours at play and that’s still a signifigant time investment. It’s just sort of arbitrary at this point and I don’t really have a way to set it at anything that wouldn’t seem like it was overly narcissistic like most internet folk determining what’s enough experience…. based on their own. Kinda like…. (But I’m totally scientific and fair)

LeaveMeDead.8937:

As a pve player this makes me very mad considering the issue that came up about Gift of Battles and the wvw reward track. So yes wvw player made a decision about something I NEED for pve. That should have been sent out to pve players as well. I am ok with polls that only focus on wvw issue, but once it effect all parts of the game, more needs to be done.

Ah yeah don’t come in here swinging fist at wvw players for that, we never asked for it and we never voted on it, it was never mentioned to us here. We voted on taking the wvw reward track out of beta status which at the time had the same tracks as spvp, with some tracks like the armor being the wvw version. So turn your madness around and face it at anet.

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

Hey guys, since I’m seeing this topic pop up a lot, I wanted to step in and clear up some misconceptions.

1. Nearly every player that voted, plays WvW at least somewhat regularly.

2. Whether they play 1 hour a week, or dozens of hours a week, the breakdown between people who voted ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ remains very constant around the 65/35 split.

3. The in-game poll notification mail is only sent to players who are actively playing WvW. They must be at least rank 10, and have ranked up while the poll was running.

One hour a week???!!! O.O

Just a big “NO” to the original poster’s ideas.
Reading that post just wants me to google pictures from “Animal Farm”.

I am sorry there is just going to be a faction of people that can’t accept that a majority of people actually did like the DBL maps just wanted a rotation to keep things fresh. We aren’t fools, we ask for new maps for years and throwing a new one away is an act of folly.

The truth is that what brought many players back was the WvW linking, and it occurred prior to the DBL even being removed. That is exactly what I expected to happen. Now that people have played Alpine most rational people can see the difference between the two maps and enjoy each for different reasons. It is possible to like both maps..

Hell I want a third new map so each borderlands has their own. However I understand there are more important things going needed right now.

My point is, if your questioning the validity of the DBL poll its probably because you don’t want to accept that DBL is being kept. Accept it and move on. Frankly, the numbers weren’t even close so theirs no doubts in my mind of what people want.

I can verify that many in my guild got this notification during our running’s in WvW and I am so pleased that Anet went Beyond the constant posters on this board to get a real decision from players IN GAME.

Gorani.7205:

Just a big “NO” to the original poster’s ideas.
Reading that post just wants me to google pictures from “Animal Farm”.

You mean like “All WvWers are equal, but some are more equal than others” ? =P

Nate.3927:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

On the flip side to my suggestion (and will probably be highly unpopular) would be to allow the Tier War Councils to coordinate with Anet. They have restricted meetings with the top commanders to work out map politics. These are the people who know what’s best for WvW play, so they could give Anet their feedback. Basically the 1% voting on what the other 99% will get. Not the best idea, but an idea none-the-less.

As a member of a server’s War Council. This is a horrible horrible idea. I have my opinions on WvW and so do most other players, mine shouldn’t be valued more than the majority.

This is the worst idea ever posted on the forums. Having been a member of a server war council, and having knowledge of how influenced it was by internal and external cabals, I can tell you straight up that you won’t get what is best for WvW play, you’ll only get what is best for the individuals with the most personal influence. I’d never trust the people I was on the war council with to place the best interests of WvW as a whole over their personal interests.

I wouldn’t suggest a threshold of rank 1000. I’ve played across 3 accounts on and off throughout the years since bwe1 … my current account is my main and I’ve only recently started playing it, up to something like rank 42 or something (the other two accounts are something like 517 and 178) … now that may be too low, but I would say rank 100 would be fair. If you put it too high then new players will never be able to have their input in, and basically you are saying only the elite players get to decide. Which segregates populations even further.

If anything I would somehow incentivise people to play more through out the week… maybe with rank up chest add the in game mail (so long as you can gain 1 rank level in the week, you get the mail). As it stands right now I believe I have only received 1 in game mail about wvw polls. I really don’t know, I’m okay with how anet is doing it now. But I know to look for the forum polls, and not nearly enough players know to do this, or by there own fault are too lazy to vote. And you can’t do nothing about those people.

Taking surveys of people rank 10 and above is bs because people who are below rank 500 don’t know anything about WvW or how it used to be. You should just send mails to people with rank 500 and above or 1000 and above because they actually know how WvW should be and how to fix it. With DBL poll I bet those 35% people who said completely remove it were rank 1000 above and people with rank 10 amd above prolly only voted for bring it back just bcz “another map”.

I think what you want is more of this: Gerrymandering.

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

Hey guys, since I’m seeing this topic pop up a lot, I wanted to step in and clear up some misconceptions.

1. Nearly every player that voted, plays WvW at least somewhat regularly.

2. Whether they play 1 hour a week, or dozens of hours a week, the breakdown between people who voted ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ remains very constant around the 65/35 split.

3. The in-game poll notification mail is only sent to players who are actively playing WvW. They must be at least rank 10, and have ranked up while the poll was running.

EXCEPT, it was put on Reddit near instantly. Completely subverting any chance of the results not being skewed. Also, as been mentioned in other threads, the opinion of voters was swayed heavily on the dev threatening no future maps will be considered unless the DBL was kept. Anet politics smh….

OP, my suggestion for this was to use the Reward track system. That a player had to earn the right to vote by completing a Reward track. A reward track takes about 9-10 hours to complete. So if they wanted to make an abbreviated one, that would work too. This way it would enforce that players have at least some current form of WvW experience. It would also slow down and/or prevent players with multiple accounts from stuffing the polls. Seems like the best option presently.

Nokaru.7831:

I think what you want is more of this: Gerrymandering.

Pretty much, yeah. Watching all the contortions to justify excluding people from having a say is disheartening for sure.

Skynet.7201:

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

Hey guys, since I’m seeing this topic pop up a lot, I wanted to step in and clear up some misconceptions.

1. Nearly every player that voted, plays WvW at least somewhat regularly.

2. Whether they play 1 hour a week, or dozens of hours a week, the breakdown between people who voted ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ remains very constant around the 65/35 split.

3. The in-game poll notification mail is only sent to players who are actively playing WvW. They must be at least rank 10, and have ranked up while the poll was running.

One hour a week???!!! O.O

Probably just folks grabbing easy WvW dailies and then using us for gathering the synthesizers

Choppy.4183:

Nokaru.7831:

I think what you want is more of this: Gerrymandering.

Pretty much, yeah. Watching all the contortions to justify excluding people from having a say is disheartening for sure.

No, we’re talking about ensuring 1 man, 1 vote. Also, to ensure players are informed voters by having some experience in WvW.