Guild Wars 2

………Ascended gear?

I think we all agree on that this game needs a test server where they can tweak stuff everyday for perfection. At least till now the internal testing did not work out so good…

cobrahorse.4329:

I think we all agree on that this game needs a test server where they can tweak stuff everyday for perfection. At least till now the internal testing did not work out so good…

This is assuming they are even testing the changes, they don’t ever tell us what they are doing or a time frame or anything, so really it’s up in the air whether live servers actually ARE the test servers.

I just can’t see a lot of the changes that have been made going through if they had been properly tested.

DevonCarver.5370:

Scootus.3251:

DevonCarver.5370:

I don’t want to completely ruin the surprise but you should hear something big from us in the coming weeks about this very topic.

You forgot to tell them to ask again next month to hear an even more obscure answer.

D’oh! You caught me there. Let me spruce it up some. In the coming weeks, nay months, you’ll see many changes to WvW. We should have something to announce regarding the matchmaking in the coming weeks. If you aren’t happy with those changes, I’ll be more surprised than the Imperial Japanese Army was by Marshal Georgy Zhukov at the battle of Nomonhan. I think that fits the criteria. Sort of.

I am very glad to see that you, as a Dev, are excited about these changes.

But the game has been out for about 9 months now. Now i understand full well we’re getting free content here, and we arent entitled to anything.

But still, so far WvW updates have been very meager on the actual content-side. Especially contrasted by the ton of PvE updates, WvW is even dwarfed by sPvP updates. And the few things that were added just didnt feel like they actually fit in WvW, or were poorly implemented. Traps being the latest.

I also see what you’re trying to do here, implementing platforms upon which new things can be added. Skills, obviously new skill-lines can be added. New type of siege, Traps, more types can be added in the future. Gear for badges (and gold!), with skins that can be expanded upon in the future.
But i think the WvW community needs to see something immediate and tangible, and not another system that could take months before its fleshed out enough and balanced.

Dealing with the lack of Asc. gear would be a big start. And dealing with the kitten poor goldgain in WvW. Add in some awesome looking unique-WvW gear, that shouldnt be to hard you got plenty of talented artist that managed to pump out new sets of gear on a monthly basis. But its all for PvE! Can’t they make something cool for WvW?

Johje Holan.4607:

There’s no way they can consult with us. We don’t agreee on anything.

For every suggestion, there’s someone who hates it. For every complaint, there’s someone who disagrees. For every change, there’s people who asked for it and people who threaten to quit over it.

+1

We all remember how the WvW score reset went. Lots of people wanted it. Then ANet announce it and lots of people freaked out.

I find it amusing that in every other aspec of every game that people want balance. But in wvw matches where they r for the most part balance everyone complain about being stale. When it comes to wvw u can’t have balanced matches and non repetitive matches unless all severs r equal which is impossible for anet to do. Only the players can balance servers

Torres.2890:

………Ascended gear?

uh hmm, but Anet will probably slap a xxx token requirement + 50 gold per item, thus making you have to PvE again.

DevonCarver.5370:

Scootus.3251:

DevonCarver.5370:

I don’t want to completely ruin the surprise but you should hear something big from us in the coming weeks about this very topic.

You forgot to tell them to ask again next month to hear an even more obscure answer.

D’oh! You caught me there. Let me spruce it up some. In the coming weeks, nay months, you’ll see many changes to WvW. We should have something to announce regarding the matchmaking in the coming weeks. If you aren’t happy with those changes, I’ll be more surprised than the Imperial Japanese Army was by Marshal Georgy Zhukov at the battle of Nomonhan. I think that fits the criteria. Sort of.

So what your saying is NA servers should invade all other region servers in GW2? Sounds fun!

DevonCarver.5370:

Scootus.3251:

DevonCarver.5370:

I don’t want to completely ruin the surprise but you should hear something big from us in the coming weeks about this very topic.

You forgot to tell them to ask again next month to hear an even more obscure answer.

D’oh! You caught me there. Let me spruce it up some. In the coming weeks, nay months, you’ll see many changes to WvW. We should have something to announce regarding the matchmaking in the coming weeks. If you aren’t happy with those changes, I’ll be more surprised than the Imperial Japanese Army was by Marshal Georgy Zhukov at the battle of Nomonhan. I think that fits the criteria. Sort of.

Thank you. People are kitten, thanks for working on this.

Valik Shin.9027:

I find it amusing that in every other aspec of every game that people want balance. But in wvw matches where they r for the most part balance everyone complain about being stale. When it comes to wvw u can’t have balanced matches and non repetitive matches unless all severs r equal which is impossible for anet to do. Only the players can balance servers

That’s not true… they could go all communist Russia on people and force you to play on the servers that need players

Though, to stay on topic, there should really be more incentive to play in WvW. Ascended items, constant class balance, and an improved ranking system will help but it can only go so far… and adding more PvE events in the WvW zone is not the answer.

I think WvW and PvE should be further linked through the squad system. Start with adding a squad player list, like most games have with raids, and then give players the ability to translate their ranked benefits to PvE zones when in a squad. Then, design PvE encounters or events that make use of those benefits. The small story arches they’re doing in places like Southsun Cove could pan out into more of a “siege” event with pre-generated equipment that uses bonuses and monsters that count as guards, lords, and claimers. They could even label it a [Squad] Event so players know to actively look for squad mates.

That’s just a thought, and it may not work, but I think many players would agree that WvW feels too separate/insignificant to the rest of the game.

I look forward to the changes. I hope they do something with the score system as well. The way it stands now: Oceanic Coverage > than skill/strategy etc..

DevonCarver.5370:

I don’t want to completely ruin the surprise but you should hear something big from us in the coming weeks about this very topic.

You ruined the surprise Devon! >:C

Hickeroar.9734:

They fixed culling.

What fix ? Culling isn’t a bug, it’s a feature intentionally implanted by Anet. They just removed ( with lot of stuff for reduc lag ofc ).. like the Relic.. Nothing which justifies the name of “focused mcm patch” or like the famous “Mars and April patch will be like 2 free extension” etc etc….

Anet is specialist for make pompous title, great ad for nothing… “The living story”… repay 75 sign .. …. Anet comm is a joke.

Torres.2890:

………Ascended gear?

He said ranking and leaderboard wise, nothing about new content to WvW.

If it makes you WvW feel any better, the PvP leaderboards is broke as well. Some people that win a few games and never PvP again are ranked in top 100.

As for WvW I feel the winner should advance to the next tier, the loser goes down a tier and whoever stayed in the middle stays in the tier.

I’m from Jade Quarry and that will make us focus harder on WvW and staying in T1, right now we have been a little relaxed lately because Living Story, and in Southsun you can make a lot of money and its a really fun zone.

But if they make a better WvW ranking system and not do jack squat to PvP ranking system, ima be pretty kitten .

The PvP community needs it more than the WvW, the WvW just needs to move servers every week.

DevonCarver.5370:

I don’t want to completely ruin the surprise but you should hear something big from us in the coming weeks about this very topic.

Mr. Devon… I,m sure a loth of people are happy to hear that us boredom starting to sink in . Glad to see that some one actually care. Not sure what the surprise will be but personally i rely hope classes will get more weapon skills.. I,m thinking more of same line us the elite skills so each weapon have 5-10 sub skills. That will give people more unique builds to choose end will make the game more exiting .
Ahh well ..wishful thinking…

cobrahorse.4329:

I think we all agree on that this game needs a test server where they can tweak stuff everyday for perfection. At least till now the internal testing did not work out so good…

Funny thing is if there were a set of test servers, the hardcore community from all time zones may make those the defacto PvP servers.

Zee.1294:

DevonCarver.5370:

I don’t want to completely ruin the surprise but you should hear something big from us in the coming weeks about this very topic.

Mr. Devon… I,m sure a loth of people are happy to hear that us boredom starting to sink in . Glad to see that some one actually care. Not sure what the surprise will be but personally i rely hope classes will get more weapon skills.. I,m thinking more of same line us the elite skills so each weapon have 5-10 sub skills. That will give people more unique builds to choose end will make the game more exiting .
Ahh well ..wishful thinking…

Skill diversity can be good and can be terrible. You only have to look back at GW1 to see a game where you had hundreds of skills to pick from, but people still only used the same few builds for everything. What they’re doing with GW2 – slowly making sure all of the existing skills are completely balanced before adding more things into the mix – is a much better way of approaching it.

Not hundreds ….5 or 10 max end you apply them same way u do the elites.
So u have let say 10 skills on u weapon ..but u can only use 5…

More than anything I think they need to make structural changes to some of the WvW maps. They’re highly imbalanced at the moment. Being in a particular position gives you a more or less likely chance of winning, and that shouldn’t be the case.

Hills vs Bay is a great example of this. People have been talking about this since launch and nothing has been done yet.

Lowlands keep in EB is incredibly imbalanced. It’s twice as hard to take as either of the other keeps.

The entire red sector in EB needs a massive overhaul. Just looking at the placement of structures on the map alone makes that obvious. Seriously…people come on to the map and are like “We got Anz to T3? I didn’t even realize that was possible…”

Honestly, I’d rather they overhaul the maps before making ANY other changes to WvW. They’re just, plain, broken.

I just wanted to point out, the ranking system isn’t failing. Failing would mean that is has stopped working. That isn’t then case. The system is working EXACTLY like it should. What you guys are wanting is a new ranking system to add diversity. Otherwise, the system is working correctly.

We won’t be happy until we get more attention then pve does. Saying there is a pvp patch and bringing out more pve in it, is an awesome way to appeal to us that you can you do your job

DevonCarver.5370:

I don’t want to completely ruin the surprise but you should hear something big from us in the coming weeks about this very topic.

Instead of SURPRISING your playerbase, why not start a discussion here in the forums and ASK your playerbase what content they would like to see added, or changes they would like to see made? Involve the community, gauge their responses, and tailor the content based on community feedback, instead of “surprising” us.

Chaosx.2471:

DevonCarver.5370:

I don’t want to completely ruin the surprise but you should hear something big from us in the coming weeks about this very topic.

Instead of SURPRISING your playerbase, why not start a discussion here in the forums and ASK your playerbase what content they would like to see added, or changes they would like to see made? Involve the community, gauge their responses, and tailor the content based on community feedback, instead of “surprising” us.

On that note, can we get a test server?

DevonCarver.5370:

Scootus.3251:

DevonCarver.5370:

I don’t want to completely ruin the surprise but you should hear something big from us in the coming weeks about this very topic.

You forgot to tell them to ask again next month to hear an even more obscure answer.

D’oh! You caught me there. Let me spruce it up some. In the coming weeks, nay months, you’ll see many changes to WvW. We should have something to announce regarding the matchmaking in the coming weeks. If you aren’t happy with those changes, I’ll be more surprised than the Imperial Japanese Army was by Marshal Georgy Zhukov at the battle of Nomonhan. I think that fits the criteria. Sort of.

Runs to google Nomonhan ^.^

Aneu.1748:

Johje Holan.4607:

fishball.7204:

Aneu.1748:

Maybe you should get a discussion going on these very forums regarding the changes you are going to implement soon rather than bull-rush it out without anyone the wiser, especially on the change that seems to be coming to the ranking system, its quite drastic.

This.

Please consult with the people that actually play WvW about any changes before you implement them.

There are only so many pros and cons you can draw up inside a board room even if you guys are very smart and very capable.

There’s no way they can consult with us. We don’t agreee on anything.

For every suggestion, there’s someone who hates it. For every complaint, there’s someone who disagrees. For every change, there’s people who asked for it and people who threaten to quit over it.

There is a very interesting tool that is used by many marketeers and business men that involve sampling – Its quite frequently used and is even used in some supermarkets you probably frequent yourself. Just because some people don’t agree doesn’t mean a conclusion cannot be drawn from it and on top of this it doesnt mean that a sensible debate cannot take place regarding the “top down” look at the overall picture as opposed to the very fine details (which should be left to behind closed doors in most cases).

Nah, he is right. It doesn’t really matter what they change or how they change it, about 50% of people will have some issue with it because it isn’t exactly what they want. WvW is much to competitive to go that route about it. People will like stuff that helps them win and not like stuff that doesn’t. The goal is to make WvW better not give people what they want. If I got what I want Mesmers would be removed from the game and given a ticket for free 80 of any other class. I probably should not be given what I want.

That said, there probably needs to be more player assisted testing and just testing in general of new content. There is no excuse for arrow carts that destroy golems in 2 seconds ever making it past QA. I think that properly testing WvW changes is impossible without having a ton of people testing them, and I think Anet is trying to test these changes with like a few of their staff instead of setting up a realistic WvW simulation to test changes in.

DeadlySynz.3471:

I agree with your points OP but I think player kills should be worth a minimum of 5 and 10 if your outmanned. Same with taking over the objectives, It needs to rival the current point system, 1 is just way too low. It would definitely change the face of the game. Coverage wouldn’t really mean squat anymore, just who are the better strategists.

In my opinion anyway, the ticks from keeping camps/towers/keeps etc.. should just be bonus points.

Giving 5 or 10 points for a player kill wouldn’t make objectives bonus points, they would make them redundant.

I am a hard man to please, you might get supprised. But I hope to the howly cow that you are right.

You got some making up to do for the AC and traps :<.

DevonCarver.5370

If you aren’t happy with those changes, I’ll be more surprised than the Imperial Japanese Army was by Marshal Georgy Zhukov at the battle of Nomonhan. I think that fits the criteria. Sort of.

So we are getting tanks and underwater bridges in WvW O.o

Something to reward zerging even more and punish small group play I bet.

Wondering if we will receive some sort of change that makes it so a server can be a certain “color” if they have not been in months? There are certain points you need for map completion that really are only obtained if you own that map. Its annoying to have to transfer off for WvW Completion.

Hickeroar.9734:

What the….I don’t even…

What if I like the current rating system?

then I’d pay for your transfer to Desolation to see how well it works

DevonCarver.5370:

I don’t want to completely ruin the surprise but you should hear something big from us in the coming weeks about this very topic.

I don’t want to disclose the whole thing with just a few words, because that all there was. So you wouldn’t be utterly disappointed a few weeks too early and we would have enough time to figure out some new “big things coming” scam to keep your hope up. When we have figured that out, which would be in a few weeks, we will let you know of this miniscule change that hopefully we will have an idea of by then.

Hickeroar.9734:

More than anything I think they need to make structural changes to some of the WvW maps. They’re highly imbalanced at the moment. Being in a particular position gives you a more or less likely chance of winning, and that shouldn’t be the case.

Hills vs Bay is a great example of this. People have been talking about this since launch and nothing has been done yet.

Lowlands keep in EB is incredibly imbalanced. It’s twice as hard to take as either of the other keeps.

The entire red sector in EB needs a massive overhaul. Just looking at the placement of structures on the map alone makes that obvious. Seriously…people come on to the map and are like “We got Anz to T3? I didn’t even realize that was possible…”

Honestly, I’d rather they overhaul the maps before making ANY other changes to WvW. They’re just, plain, broken.

…and, if redesigning these maps will take months to get to, why not switch red and green on the existing EB map? Shouldn’t the top server have the hardest area geographically to defend and the third place server have the easiest with the keep that is the most difficult to take?