Guild Wars 2

lordkrall.7241:

Of course, necroing threads with the purpose of actually adding something to the thread is one thing, but many of the necros here have simply been to bump the thread up, without adding anything.
And it is simply easier to forbid it altogether than having to deal with the people feeling the mods taking wrong action when locking some of the threads.

Actually they DID add something to the thread, even though it wasn’t communicated in the best way.

What the thread Necros did was basically tell Anet

“Remember that issue the community had that you agreed was something that should be fixed, but hasn’t been fixed for [insert time since last red post in thread time]? The issue still exists and with the lack of communication from devs to players we’re having doubts that you are working to fix this issue. What kind of reassurance can you give the players other than “soon” or “we can’t discuss what’s in development” that these issues will be fixed? We hope you can understand our (the players) concern that as the length of time of an issue increases, the lower the expectations are of a fix and also the lower the confidence that any other issue can be fixed."

lordkrall.7241:

but many of the necros here have simply been to bump the thread up, without adding anything.

I think you’ll find all of them were asking for an update on the works which we were told they were working on!

lordkrall.7241:

And it is simply easier to forbid it altogether than having to deal with the people feeling the mods taking wrong action when locking some of the threads.

Then why is it that only the WvW forum has been the only forum to receive this threat from the mods?! Surely if it is bad in WvW, it it bad in PvE and PvP; yet this sticky has not been added to those forums!

This sticky by Mark not only reflects badly upon Mark as a mod for Anet in this game, but also on Anet as a whole as it basically says “S-T-kitten-U”

draugris.9872:

pdavis.8031:

Not my rules of ethics, ArenaNets Code of Conduct that users agree to when using the forums.
“•Do not spam. This includes bumping threads or making posts that lack content.”

No i´am sorry but no,

he wrote in his initial post

Due to the rash of necroposting on this subforum, anybody caught posting in a dead thread will be subject to infractions and possible suspensions from this point forward

This tells nothing about the lack of content. It just says if you post something in an old thread you will get infracted.

Don´t you get what this is all about ? They could have easily decided that they auto close old threads without any drama or the need to threaten people. But this is not what they want, what they want is to make people uncertain whether they can post or not and many won´t because they don´t want infractions. Goal achieved, less posts, less complaints, Anet happy.

This is just a lousy attempt to shut people up.

In general providers of forums want to keep information about one topic in one place, for better readability and to keep the boards clean. Anet wants the exact opposite. Hey if a thread about ta topic is 30 day old, please open another thread about the same topic and if that gets thirty days old, rinse repeat. This make absolutely no sense if you want to keep your users informed and information to be accessible. But if you want what Anet wants it makes perfect sense.

Again I am going disagree.
“•Do not spam. This includes bumping threads or making posts that lack content.”

Bumping a thread to call attention that X Y or Z hasnt been implemented is what Mark was refering to. Again, bumping threads is against the Code of Conduct. And only Anet reserves the right to interpret and apply what that means. Why they dont auto close, or lock threads after 30 days is for them to decide.

It seems that much of this community is bent on hating Anet no matter what they do. They issue a warning about bumping threads (which is already outlined in the code of conduct) and people claim its an attempt to shut them up. They come out and say they are working on things but are not at liberty to discuss them. The community is outraged and say they arent working on anything. If this is the attitude of the community, I for one am not surprised they post at all. While it may appear to be “bad business”, even the best customer service eventually just stops responding to threats and rants and insults.

I think necro posting is a wonderful way to remind the team of forgotten promises to its consumers.

It’s a very easy way and non aggressive way to re bring up the topic since they in turn can not deny it. Also it highlights how bad the ignoring of WvW is.

I’m truly sorry because i can relate to dealing with negativity from your consumers….but we are the consumers. We are always right.

pdavis.8031:

draugris.9872:

pdavis.8031:

Not my rules of ethics, ArenaNets Code of Conduct that users agree to when using the forums.
“•Do not spam. This includes bumping threads or making posts that lack content.”

No i´am sorry but no,

he wrote in his initial post

Due to the rash of necroposting on this subforum, anybody caught posting in a dead thread will be subject to infractions and possible suspensions from this point forward

This tells nothing about the lack of content. It just says if you post something in an old thread you will get infracted.

Don´t you get what this is all about ? They could have easily decided that they auto close old threads without any drama or the need to threaten people. But this is not what they want, what they want is to make people uncertain whether they can post or not and many won´t because they don´t want infractions. Goal achieved, less posts, less complaints, Anet happy.

This is just a lousy attempt to shut people up.

In general providers of forums want to keep information about one topic in one place, for better readability and to keep the boards clean. Anet wants the exact opposite. Hey if a thread about ta topic is 30 day old, please open another thread about the same topic and if that gets thirty days old, rinse repeat. This make absolutely no sense if you want to keep your users informed and information to be accessible. But if you want what Anet wants it makes perfect sense.

Again I am going disagree.
“•Do not spam. This includes bumping threads or making posts that lack content.”

Bumping a thread to call attention that X Y or Z hasnt been implemented is what Mark was refering to. Again, bumping threads is against the Code of Conduct. And only Anet reserves the right to interpret and apply what that means. Why they dont auto close, or lock threads after 30 days is for them to decide.

It seems that much of this community is bent on hating Anet no matter what they do. They issue a warning about bumping threads (which is already outlined in the code of conduct) and people claim its an attempt to shut them up. They come out and say they are working on things but are not at liberty to discuss them. The community is outraged and say they arent working on anything. If this is the attitude of the community, I for one am not surprised they post at all. While it may appear to be “bad business”, even the best customer service eventually just stops responding to threats and rants and insults.

The main reason, and for me the sole reason for the anger is that this entire subset of the community has been seemingly ignored for a long period of time, as shown by the lack of ingame updates, commentary from developers or even community managers, or even a hint as to what, if anything is being worked on. Mark coming in months after the last dev post (which was actually just a days-late response to rewards being bugged from the tourney, and wasn’t even from a dev) to essentially post nothing of substance aside from updating the forum rules as he sees fit, and then following up that post with “we’re working on something, we just can’t tell you what” is downright insulting. And, yes, made people even more angry. There are constant updates on what’s being worked on for PvE (sorry dungeon people). PvE threads receive constant developer attention both in the LS and discussion forums. People routinely bump age-old threads in other forums without incident.

Although the code of conduct does indeed say that bumping threads is against the rules, it’s allowed to happen all the time. In fact, when you try to post in a thread older than a week, there’s an option that you have to check that acknowledges you are bumping a thread. If it’s flat-out against the rules, then why is there an option to do it, why aren’t threads archived after 30 days, and why do people do it all the time?

Simply put, this community has been neglected and ignored for a long time, and that’s lead to people becoming angry. It then gets neglected and ignored more and more, for even longer, and people get angrier. Then someone comes in and tells you to stop reminding them of their failed promises and people get even more angry.

I disagree with your disagreement.

T raw.4658:

I think necro posting is a wonderful way to remind the team of forgotten promises to its consumers.

According to Mark these are not forgotten promises. he claims the WvW dev(s) is/are working on things; they just cant talk about it :P

But does it really take a year to add guild commander tags? Or an option to choose what colour your commander tag should be?!
Seeing as it took 18 months to fix the party system for WvW, I guess the answer is yes.

This is why we are demanding to know what is going on, “we cant talk about it” is not good enough, not when they’ve been saying that for 2 years!

Two years of no talking = nothing is going on!

T raw.4658:

I think necro posting is a wonderful way to remind the team of forgotten promises to its consumers.

It’s a very easy way and non aggressive way to re bring up the topic since they in turn can not deny it. Also it highlights how bad the ignoring of WvW is.

I’m truly sorry because i can relate to dealing with negativity from your consumers….but we are the consumers. We are always right.

It is also a great way to stop the team from ever saying anything, since people take everything as a promise.

All anet have to do is say they are no longer working on it.

Problem is is that if they do admit to not doing anything for WvW, they will lose SO many players. So right now it is in their interest to continue to claim they cannot talk about nothing.

And if you think about it, all teh things that have been going on prove that they are in fact not working on WvW. The only way to prove they are is either tell us what they are working on and give us a real timeframe, or release new content for WvW.
Until one of those happens,, we might as well take it as nothing is being done for WvW

lordkrall.7241:

many of the necros here have simply been to bump the thread up, without adding anything.

Sometimes all a thread needs is to be bumped to have something added to it.

When a red post promising changes is over a year old and nothing has happened that speaks volumes alone. In that respect you can forget the person who bumped it and what they said, because its irrelevant.

23 days of life left to this thread, then don’t forget to make a new one to pursue the discussion about how enthusiastic we are that they are making a WvW focussed expansion that will include a GvG game mode and this is why they’ve been silent for so long…

Xillllix.3485:

23 days of life left to this thread, then don’t forget to make a new one to pursue the discussion about how enthusiastic we are that they are making a WvW focussed expansion that will include a GvG game mode and this is why they’ve been silent for so long…

I don’t think you know how necroing works.

You are not allowed to post in threads that have been “dead” (as in no new posts) for 30 days. Not threads that are 30 days old.

lordkrall.7241:

Xillllix.3485:

23 days of life left to this thread, then don’t forget to make a new one to pursue the discussion about how enthusiastic we are that they are making a WvW focussed expansion that will include a GvG game mode and this is why they’ve been silent for so long…

I don’t think you know how necroing works.

You are not allowed to post in threads that have been “dead” (as in no new posts) for 30 days. Not threads that are 30 days old.

But 29 days is ok? Right… Seriously it’s ridiculous.

Sounds like we’re going to have to engage in some serious thread-bumping to keep the good kitten on the first page.

Xillllix.3485:

lordkrall.7241:

Xillllix.3485:

23 days of life left to this thread, then don’t forget to make a new one to pursue the discussion about how enthusiastic we are that they are making a WvW focussed expansion that will include a GvG game mode and this is why they’ve been silent for so long…

I don’t think you know how necroing works.

You are not allowed to post in threads that have been “dead” (as in no new posts) for 30 days. Not threads that are 30 days old.

But 29 days is ok? Right… Seriously it’s ridiculous.

Except this is how most forum sites do it, don’t act like this is some travesty that only Anet is doing when this is business as usual for over 80% of forum boards.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Xillllix.3485:

lordkrall.7241:

Xillllix.3485:

23 days of life left to this thread, then don’t forget to make a new one to pursue the discussion about how enthusiastic we are that they are making a WvW focussed expansion that will include a GvG game mode and this is why they’ve been silent for so long…

I don’t think you know how necroing works.

You are not allowed to post in threads that have been “dead” (as in no new posts) for 30 days. Not threads that are 30 days old.

But 29 days is ok? Right… Seriously it’s ridiculous.

Except this is how most forum sites do it, don’t act like this is some travesty that only Anet is doing when this is business as usual for over 80% of forum boards.

actually its not how most forum sites do it, and there is no universely accepted best practice for necro-ing. Many sites prefer necro to new threads and actively tell you to post in an old thread if what you want to talk about is there.

another forum with a poll on necro etiquette is basically split down the middle
http://www.giantbomb.com/forums/general-discussion-30/forum-etiquette-necro-post-vs-new-thread-1434911/

In fact in the code of conduct, they specifically tell you to look for existing threads to post in.

This is not a universal truth, its not even a truth outside of this sub forum. Yes, bumping old threads and saying nothing is bad, but bumping any thread and saying nothing is bad.

Truth is, forum moderators generally decide what is feasible to necro and what is not, but they dont try to penalize people across the board for it, they just close the threads.

It’s come to this:

The most popular threads on the first page of the WvW Discussion forum have devolved into talking about talking instead of talking about issues.

Swamurabi.7890:

It’s come to this:

The most popular threads on the first page of the WvW Discussion forum have devolved into talking about talking instead of talking about issues.

probably because talking about issues, is dependent on what the Anet is willing to do for WvW, and what its priorities are, No one currently has a firm grasp about what anet intends for WvW at all. Not to mention many have communicated on these issues many times. The problem you posted about on an imbalance in defending was brought up many times, and solutions discussed. Doesnt really matter much if anet cannot commit the resources, attention, or if its not a priority, communication is a two way street. right now, as far as WvW is concerned it is not.

Swamurabi.7890:

It’s come to this:

The most popular threads on the first page of the WvW Discussion forum have devolved into talking about talking instead of talking about issues.

Well there we have it, we’ve reached the endgame of GW2.

lordkrall.7241:

T raw.4658:

I think necro posting is a wonderful way to remind the team of forgotten promises to its consumers.

It’s a very easy way and non aggressive way to re bring up the topic since they in turn can not deny it. Also it highlights how bad the ignoring of WvW is.

I’m truly sorry because i can relate to dealing with negativity from your consumers….but we are the consumers. We are always right.

It is also a great way to stop the team from ever saying anything, since people take everything as a promise.

This might even be true, if it wasn’t for the fact that before the necro’ing, they said nothing, after it, they threaten to ban people from the forums and still say nothing. (Apart from the PR speak message saying ‘soon’ ’we’re working on stuff but can’t say what’ that is the same as we’ve heard for two years)

The only thing that changed was they threw the dummy out the pram for being reminded of how many broken promises and issues they promised to deal with still haven’t been.

lordkrall.7241:

T raw.4658:

I think necro posting is a wonderful way to remind the team of forgotten promises to its consumers.

It’s a very easy way and non aggressive way to re bring up the topic since they in turn can not deny it. Also it highlights how bad the ignoring of WvW is.

I’m truly sorry because i can relate to dealing with negativity from your consumers….but we are the consumers. We are always right.

It is also a great way to stop the team from ever saying anything, since people take everything as a promise.

Well then if that’s true it’s time for them all to find new jobs

Not really.
I am rather sure that the devs does not have “interact with people on the forums” in their job-description. From my experience at least that is almost never the case.

lordkrall.7241:

Not really.
I am rather sure that the devs does not have “interact with people on the forums” in their job-description. From my experience at least that is almost never the case.

No, the devs do not have to interact with the community at all.

They do however need to know what the community is thinking, so they can better develop the game.

A lot of publishers have forums, some developers hire moderators and liaisons to community between devs and players.
Anet have even created CDIs, we’ve has 3 WvW based ones (if you include EOTM), we are still waiting on the 4th which was supposed to happen after season 2. But even here they have messed things up. Yes they did claim it’s just a place to share ideas, that they cannot guarantees things that are suggested would be put into development. But from these they can still take away what the community is looking for.

We’ve had liaisons as well, dedicated for the WvW forum, we’ve not heard much from them when they were active, and we’ve not heard if we still even have one! Seeing as Josh is now the pretty face for Ready Up streams.

But for anything, game, business, small corner shops, relationships’ communication is the key for making things work. WvW does not have that communication, so it will obviously not work out between Anet and the players.

The only communication we’ve had is to tell us to be quiet. It’s like an angry ex-girlfriend trying to set up a situation where they can then tell a police officer in the future that we’re the stalker boyfriend who wont leave her alone, when all we’re doing is asking for our stuff back.

Anet to future investors: “We tried to talk to our community, but they were unwilling to listen and became very hostile, even when we tried our hardest to fix issues. But what can you do about 12 year old kids, right”

Soooooooooooooooooooo what they are saying is they don’t have a way of locking threads over 30days old?????

Instead they need to make a rule to punish you if you “necropost”…

etrigan.4213:

Soooooooooooooooooooo what they are saying is they don’t have a way of locking threads over 30days old?????

Instead they need to make a rule to punish you if you “necropost”…

Yes, but only in the WvW forums.

It’s the only exclusive update we’ve got in 2 years :P

I hope they realize that threatening players instead of using standard archiving was a mistake. This thread will roll off the first couple pages and this community management blunder will be buried but more irreversible damage has been done.

The bulk of the remaining WvWvW playerbase is draining into a handful of servers because of the very glaring issues with the mode. Over the last few months they’ve made changes to merchants, lessened the bodies needed for breakout and fixed a bugged siege skill whoopdikitteningdoo. If these are the results I can expect after Anet’s long periods of silence then I should probably move on.

Pinkamena Diane Pie.8054:

etrigan.4213:

Soooooooooooooooooooo what they are saying is they don’t have a way of locking threads over 30days old?????

Instead they need to make a rule to punish you if you “necropost”…

Yes, but only in the WvW forums.

It’s the only exclusive update we’ve got in 2 years :P

I thought it was a threat for all forums.

Mark Katzbach.9084:

Being disruptive on the forums (in old or new threads), making rude or demanding posts and posting comments like “there is no WvW team anymore” are hardly an endearing method that encourages our developers to post more. I would ask that you take this into consideration when posting as well.

Saying this is not going to get people to make fewer posts of the kind you list. People have already lost faith in the devs and are merely venting anger at this point.

“Who cares if there is a red post or not because it’s not going to say anything positive anyway,” is the general attitude right now.

If Anet wants better relations with the WvW community, it has to be the one to act first: the players have already given up on the devs.

Mark Katzbach.9084:

What it also means is that we take note of when you all ask for or suggest a feature that is currently under development, so that down the line, when it’s actually released and a bunch of people clamor to the forums to complain that “nobody asked for this” (you know who you are), we can refer back and be secure in the knowledge that somebody did, in fact, ask for it.

For any suggestion, there’s always someone who suggests it, no matter how terrible.

If you’re consoling yourself after creating failed content (e.g., EoTM, bloodlust ruins) by saying “some players asked for it” then you’re just making excuses for poor development.

RyuDragnier.9476:

I thought it was a threat for all forums.

If it was, that sticky would appear at the top of all forum sections.

It does not, it is only on this WvW Discussions forum.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Mark Katzbach.9084:

What it also means is that we take note of when you all ask for or suggest a feature that is currently under development, so that down the line, when it’s actually released and a bunch of people clamor to the forums to complain that “nobody asked for this” (you know who you are), we can refer back and be secure in the knowledge that somebody did, in fact, ask for it.

For any suggestion, there’s always someone who suggests it, no matter how terrible.

If you’re consoling yourself after creating failed content (e.g., EoTM, bloodlust ruins) by saying “some players asked for it” then you’re just making excuses for poor development.

I’d like to know who asked for the lakes to be filled in? i know people complained that there was not much to do there as water combat isnt that good in this game. So they filled it up with an sPvP area?!
And as for EOTM, we asked for new WvW borderlands maps with a random weekly changing feature; we all know it’s nothing more than a PvE WvW wannabe map for leveling and gaining karma.

Apart from fixing a few glitches and exploits (this does not constitute as an update btw!) all I can think of that we’ve asked for is account bound WXP, and fixing the party system.

But as pointed out in the Season 2 rewards thread, the WvW team/dev only had one job to do for those entire 9 weeks: make sure people got the correct rewards. They failed at it and had to jump around to fix it to prevent people from leaving the game. It still took too long, whilst some people are still asking where is their Season 1 rewards still!

I believe the primary reason that the lakes were filled in is that water + water animation + reflections has a heavy drain on performance, which is at a premium in WvW. If you ever doubt this, put your animation settings on low, reflections on none, in any area with a large body of water (Lion’s Arch, Gendarran Fields, etc) and notice the performance gain. Put reflections on all and animation settings on at minimum medium (medium is when physics animations are applied to water, causing it rise and fall, ripple, etc) and watch your framerate plummet.

Filling it in with something was better than leaving it the way it was.

Ark Bladesteele.2943:

Filling it in with something was better than leaving it the way it was.

The dev time wasted on doing that should have been spent on something else.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Ark Bladesteele.2943:

Filling it in with something was better than leaving it the way it was.

The dev time wasted on doing that should have been spent on something else.

lot of people hate on the bloodlust mechanic, but you realize its one of the only wvw mechanics that scales well in terms of ppt, based on population differences?

IE gives more points to the teams who kill more of their enemies than they themselves get killed, and gives less points when less people are playing, and more when more are playing.

Also gives a decent short term goals/small group objectives. Its not perfect but i would say its overall pretty worthwhile, and more objectives probably need to scale better with player performance and ratio of people playing on each server.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Ark Bladesteele.2943:

Filling it in with something was better than leaving it the way it was.

The dev time wasted on doing that should have been spent on something else.

The level designer and/or artist(s) that improved performance for everyone across the board? What the hell else would you have been happy with? Leaving it the way it was? Somebody had to do it.

phys.7689:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Ark Bladesteele.2943:

Filling it in with something was better than leaving it the way it was.

The dev time wasted on doing that should have been spent on something else.

lot of people hate on the bloodlust mechanic, but you realize its one of the only wvw mechanics that scales well in terms of ppt, based on population differences?

IE gives more points to the teams who kill more of their enemies than they themselves get killed, and gives less points when less people are playing, and more when more are playing.

Also gives a decent short term goals/small group objectives. Its not perfect but i would say its overall pretty worthwhile, and more objectives probably need to scale better with player performance and ratio of people playing on each server.

Only problem is that gaining bloodlust is all about population to begin with. When your server with 1 20 man pug zerg and a guild group face 2 40 man zergs, an equal size guild group and they still have 10 people available to run ruins all the time… does it really matter if you keep slaughtering their zergs at every encounter? If you take bloodlust, you cant take objectives. If you take objectives, you cant hold bloodlust. Coverage ftw.

This is the key issue with bloodlust. Its not an on off event you can focus on, you need to dedicate entire groups to run in circles. Its boring. Its always been boring. Everybody noticed that within a day of playing except Anet.

Ark Bladesteele.2943:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Ark Bladesteele.2943:

Filling it in with something was better than leaving it the way it was.

The dev time wasted on doing that should have been spent on something else.

The level designer and/or artist(s) that improved performance for everyone across the board? What the hell else would you have been happy with? Leaving it the way it was? Somebody had to do it.

I have no idea what you’re talking about because there were no serious performance issues associated with the lake. And even if there were, they could have just drained the water and filled it with sand.

Instead, they wasted a huge amount of dev time creating an area no one ever goes and introduced a mechanic that angered the whole WvW community.

Anet and the WvW population have completely different visions of the game. In the end, players are the ones who pay the bills.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Ark Bladesteele.2943:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Ark Bladesteele.2943:

Filling it in with something was better than leaving it the way it was.

The dev time wasted on doing that should have been spent on something else.

The level designer and/or artist(s) that improved performance for everyone across the board? What the hell else would you have been happy with? Leaving it the way it was? Somebody had to do it.

I have no idea what you’re talking about because there were no serious performance issues associated with the lake. And even if there were, they could have just drained the water and filled it with sand.

Instead, they wasted a huge amount of dev time creating an area no one ever goes and introduced a mechanic that angered the whole WvW community.

Anet and the WvW population have completely different visions of the game. In the end, players are the ones who pay the bills.

Oh, yeah, that’d be great — a huge open area of kittening sand. You have got to be kidding me.

And you’re absolutely, 100% wrong that there were no performance issues with the water in WvW. It was one of the single most non-player-related CPU drains before it was filled. I know, because I remember the days when I had to turn animation down to low and reflections to none when entering a BL, and when they patched in the ruins, I didn’t.

I also offered for you to go test this yourself with any other large body of water. Please report back to me your results. Thank you.

I don’t really have a problem with the WvW stuff that has come in, some of it has been pretty good. I just find the response from the devs a little insulting tbh. Sure, the necro posts might not have been the most constructive way to raise the issue, but the question on ‘what are you doing about x a year on’ was a pretty reasonable one.

It wouldn’t be so bad if there was regular contact from devs, but when we have to do something like that to get a response and that response is ‘shtap it or else’, it’s hard not to take that badly, ya’know?

And the forums are always going to be a little toxic. Blaming that for the lack of dev posts when the lack of communication from you is a major factor in the toxicity of these forums is like blaming water for being wet, what did you expect exactly?

RyuDragnier.9476:

Except this is how most forum sites do it, don’t act like this is some travesty that only Anet is doing when this is business as usual for over 80% of forum boards.

And that is part of why (an arbitrary) 80% of forum boards are a travesty and not worthwhile as communities to interact with. Ridiculous people govern each other with ridiculous rules.

The necro-post rule adds no value, and subtracts nothing worth being concerned about. It’s pedantry, full stop.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Except this is how most forum sites do it, don’t act like this is some travesty that only Anet is doing when this is business as usual for over 80% of forum boards.

I dont know which game forums you go to, but this definitely not how many forum I visit treat their players!
Even games that arent doing well still regularly keep their playerbase updated with things they are doing.
You dont just sit there quietly and ignore a third of your players. And you definitely do not threaten them when they make posts or highlight posts which make you look bad!

Virtute.8251:

The necro-post rule adds no value, and subtracts nothing worth being concerned about. It’s pedantry, full stop.

Necroposts do not add value, but they do seem to annoy Anet for some odd reason. And instead of talking to us, they made a nice sticky thread. And when they do talk to us, they say they cant talk to us :P

That rule doesnt add anything either, but it sure does take a lot away! That post most likely would have been the last straw for some people. For others it will be confirmation that WvW is as it will always be, there will be no updates, only minor fixes every 6 months or so, if that. They’ll play for a bit longer then leave. And for others who only play WvW, they’ll be asking themselves, why should we buy gems when we wont get anything in return for the game mode, meaning they will spend less or stop buying gems altogether.

That post can have a big impact on the game as a whole really. Perhaps the mods can post a graph showing the number of average players in game before and after that post, see how it changed?

Pinkamena Diane Pie.8054:

They do not add value, but they do seem to annoy Anet for some odd reason. And instead of talking to us, they made a nice sticky thread. And when they do talk to us, they say they cant talk to us :P

The reason isn’t really all that odd. The forum is, basically, a PR device. Whenever I look into a new MMO, I read about it first, and what better place to do so but its official forums. Some may be interested in WvW specifically, and a sub-forum front page full of threads of unmaterialised content promised ages ago would leave a prospective buyer with the fair assessment that the game mode is no longer under active development. Yes, there are other threads complaining about things, but these are specific developer posts of things to come, and then a year of silence followed. It’s worse…much worse. I’m surprised they haven’t simply deleted those threads. Out of sight, out of mind.

It’s similar to why you’re supposed to post all lag reports in one thread “for data accumulation purposes”. It cleans up the tech support forum. Also why there’s an active community liaison in the account issues and, more importantly, the gem store sub-forums. We don’t need any of that, because there’s nothing to update us on.

lordkrall.7241:

Not really.
I am rather sure that the devs does not have “interact with people on the forums” in their job-description. From my experience at least that is almost never the case.

I am developer….and it is implied in your job. Guess what….when you code something or build something it’s usually for use by somebody….guess who you need to go see when you need to figure how to kittening build it….

whether you have a liason to speak indirectly or you speak to the consumer directly in order to know WHAT to code and program…you need to talk to the consumer. THat’s pretty much it…..so yes….it’s their job….

Pinkamena Diane Pie.8054:

Necroposts do not add value, but they do seem to annoy Anet for some odd reason.

All the necroposts show how Anet consistently fail to deliver on their promises. That’s why they annoy Anet.