Guild Wars 2

If you have repair hammers that would be an awful idea. If people are attacking your keep and destroying your siege on outer as you man it, if someone runs up with a hammer to repair it, then that would be wasting supply not to mention that person repairing would go down and die from people ranging and meteor showering them and etc. Keeps only have so much supply and if you have to repair outer walls, inner, and make siege then having to count the limited crucial supply toward tools, repairing a lost cause piece of siege, then obviously this is a bad idea. This is literally the worst idea i’ve ever heard of. PLease vote no. PLUS people can take advantage of this. An “enemy” can damage a piece of siege to like half and their spy friend can repair it and they can repeat this until they drain the supply and they probably would get wvw exp from it. This is a awful idea and broken before it is started.

People could always waste supply with troll siege so your spy part is moot point.
If dumb pugs are trying to repair a lost cause piece of siege, they are likely to also be repairing a lost cause wall which is another moot point.

Repair Hammer will have a minimal impact imo as it’s hard to see a siege weapon survive long enough to need repairs.

Repair hammers should have been there since release. It can’t be right that you sometimes WANT the enemy to destroy sth that has like 1% life to be able to build a new one which does not instantly die in the case of an assault.

Tornupto.2304:

Repair hammers should have been there since release. It can’t be right that you sometimes WANT the enemy to destroy sth that has like 1% life to be able to build a new one which does not instantly die in the case of an assault.

^pretty much this.

Gw2 players want everything handed easilly “OMGOMG QQ need to put effort now” :P, just aoe when people is repairing, theres also that factor (siege+bags).

Be smart to counter siege…

Vote no on Repair Hammers!

Attacking blobs can keep their badly placed siege alive and negate early scouts’ defensive response by healing up the damage. This feature would promote bad tactics, ignoring defensive siege and rolling up big blobs be able to heal up.

This is an unneeded micromanagement feature. Please keep the essential WvW mechanics simple and let players focus on fighting instead.

There is loss of one more inventory slot to carry these hammers consumables.

I only see these being used after u have defended your keep/ tower to repair damaged siege after getting the walls up. Is this only for cannons/mortars ? Or would this work on catas & ballis too?

Korgov.7645:

This feature would promote bad tactics, ignoring defensive siege and rolling up big blobs

In other words: It would make no change to the game since it’s how everyone plays already anyway…

Knob.6835:

I only see these being used after u have defended your keep/ tower to repair damaged siege after getting the walls up. Is this only for cannons/mortars ? Or would this work on catas & ballis too?

I assume it is for all siege. Including golems.

Jeknar.6184:

Korgov.7645:

This feature would promote bad tactics, ignoring defensive siege and rolling up big blobs

In other words: It would make no change to the game since it’s how everyone plays already anyway…

There is no need to hammer in more nails into that coffin.

Korgov.7645:

Knob.6835:

I only see these being used after u have defended your keep/ tower to repair damaged siege after getting the walls up. Is this only for cannons/mortars ? Or would this work on catas & ballis too?

I assume it is for all siege. Including golems.

Wow golems too…didn’t think about that. That’s OP….golem wars are back!!!

Knob.6835:

Korgov.7645:

Knob.6835:

I only see these being used after u have defended your keep/ tower to repair damaged siege after getting the walls up. Is this only for cannons/mortars ? Or would this work on catas & ballis too?

I assume it is for all siege. Including golems.

Wow golems too…didn’t think about that. That’s OP….golem wars are back!!!

It is a very interesting mechanics that probably gets easilly transformed to a strong gimmick XD, gw2 is heavy gimmick based dont forget about it.

Anet @ balance… period

I don’t want repair hammers because I think it won’t make for more interesting and entertaining fights and I’d prefer that ANet focus on something else instead.

Still, I also doubt that hammers are going to change things so much that I’ll find the mode less fun after.

Just waiting for a siege leveling and exp system. Where siege gets experience from getting kills and assists….threby increasing in levels making it gain increased damage and other abilities.

And then with the hammers you can nurture and look after this siege.
I mean that would make defending feel less like a pointless chore and more like I’m doing something important.

53% voted yes. Probably 90% off german servers.

I’m on the fence, but I don’t see the harm since most siege that gets hit is not going to survive very long. AoEs knock out arrow carts and balistas in seconds.

One compromise that could be made is like reviving a dead teammate, repair hammers couldn’t be used while in combat.

Hesacon.8735:

I’m on the fence, but I don’t see the harm since most siege that gets hit is not going to survive very long. AoEs knock out arrow carts and balistas in seconds.

One compromise that could be made is like reviving a dead teammate, repair hammers couldn’t be used while in combat.

In addition at least exclude Alpha and Omega Siege golems from it’s usage.

Offair.2563:

53% voted yes. Probably 90% off german servers.

Edit.
Probably 90% off german and french servers.

you welcome.

Avit.3165:

Offair.2563:

53% voted yes. Probably 90% off german servers.

Edit.
Probably 90% off german and french servers.

you welcome.

French servers retreat too fast to make use of the siege, so he is correct.

Keep voting YES peeps!

Jeknar.6184:

If dumb pugs are trying to repair a lost cause piece of siege, they are likely to also be repairing a lost cause wall which is another moot point.

This is why the suggestion to add it to Repair Mastery was made (pip 6). It will hopefully discourage PUGs who don’t have a clue on when to Repair AND reduce the chances that a troll/second purchased account even has the WvW ranks to buy pip 6 of Repair Master.

It’s not a perfect solution but it sure would help.

Lame. If people can waste sup repairing wall and gate, it doesn’t stop them from wasting sup to do anything else. Instead of blaming “repairing”, you should try blaming the people instead.

Regardless, repair hammer is a good thing since it is quite unfair that while the attacker has the option to hit siege to low hp, the defender has no option to repair it at the cost of supply. Of course, I hope they do draw a line of difference between repairing and rebuilding. It is also logical that damaged things should be repairable.

Question, are these hammers only usable on stationary equipment, such as cannons and mortars, or can they they repair player thrown equipment that’s being attacked as well, such as acs, rams and cats?

If so, what does this do for the seige cap in a given structure? Another thing, if any player can repair their teams equipment, should the enemy get more wax if they successful destroy something that’s been up for a few hours?

Well we all know what Yaks Bend is gonna vote. Anet just tries so hard to ruin WvW.

GW’s implementation of siege weapons shouldn’t be repairable, some are incredibly powerful and common as dirt on top of that. I’m gonna laugh my kitten off when blobs just repair their siege through defensive siege fire and the guys in the walls get blown up trying to repair their’s.

Korgov.7645:

Jeknar.6184:

Korgov.7645:

This feature would promote bad tactics, ignoring defensive siege and rolling up big blobs

In other words: It would make no change to the game since it’s how everyone plays already anyway…

There is no need to hammer in more nails into that coffin.

I see what you did there…

Let’s start the argument that repair hammers would put water eles out of work, or at the very least cut down on their hours. Oh wait, without the need to drop water on rams, they could just stay attuned to fire all the time.

Well, atleast the insurgence of staff eles that will come as a result of hammer introduction, will kill the current insurgency of perma stealth thieves.

Well, I think it depend on how the hammer will actually work. Anyone who did pve saw different repair hammer situations.
On Tequatl for exemple, you need to keep bashing you hammer like mad to make the health of the turrets go up (that would problably mean that 10 supplies would repair only 1/5 of a Superior Arrow Cart for exemple) and I don’t think this model would cause a great impact. It would help keep some of the siege that are measily at the edge of a large AoE (looking at you Meteor Shower) but surely wouldn’t save siege that are on the full range of these skills.
However in the Silverwastes you have the imba hammer that touch siege weapon and heal it to full instantly. That one I agree with you that would be cancerous af and would complete negate the effect of counter siege as people would just sit with their hammer by the catas/rams waiting to repair it.
I’m neutral in that one but I could vote somenthing if they actually explained how it will work.

HazyDaisy.4107:

Let’s start the argument that repair hammers would put water eles out of work, or at the very least cut down on their hours. Oh wait, without the need to drop water on rams, they could just stay attuned to fire all the time.

Lolwat? Elementalists heal rams now? If anything they will have to heal even more because people will be siege humping and be voulnerable to heavy AC rains while repairing (building siege mean you cant pop skills, presumably repairing will have the same basic rules).

Jeknar.6184:

Well, I think it depend on how the hammer will actually work. Anyone who did pve saw different repair hammer situations.
On Tequatl for exemple, you need to keep bashing you hammer like mad to make the health of the turrets go up (that would problably mean that 10 supplies would repair only 1/5 of a Superior Arrow Cart for exemple) and I don’t think this model would cause a great impact. It would help keep some of the siege that are measily at the edge of a large AoE (looking at you Meteor Shower) but surely wouldn’t save siege that are on the full range of these skills.
However in the Silverwastes you have the imba hammer that touch siege weapon and heal it to full instantly. That one I agree with you that would be cancerous af and would complete negate the effect of counter siege as people would just sit with their hammer by the catas/rams waiting to repair it.
I’m neutral in that one but I could vote somenthing if they actually explained how it will work.

Oh this feature is coming from PvE. No wonder it doesn’t seem to fit WvW.

Security! Please escort these PvE designers back into their own department. And do not let them touch anything on their way out.

Korgov.7645:

Oh this feature is coming from PvE. No wonder it doesn’t seem to fit WvW.

Security! Please escort these PvE designers back into their own department. And do not let them touch anything on their way out.

Everything in this game comes from PvE silly…

Jeknar.6184:

Korgov.7645:

Oh this feature is coming from PvE. No wonder it doesn’t seem to fit WvW.

Security! Please escort these PvE designers back into their own department. And do not let them touch anything on their way out.

Everything in this game comes from PvE silly…

WvW is PvE love.

This will suck if they let super blobs use their 1200+ sup to keep all their trebs, gens, ACs, balis, catas alive. It’s bad enough fighting the scrub horde without giving their siege sustain.

I could see this if you needed to be out of combat and it only worked on tower/keep siege. Open field is asking for trouble.

I’m honestly not concerned. There have been many things in the past people have created an uproar about that wound up not being a big deal at all. While I can see where this might cause some problems, I seriously doubt it will impact the state of WvW any worse than +10 supplies from guild upgrades has.

If we want a way to make this repair hammer thing balanced, how about suggesting something like; “can only repair siege units while not in combat.”

Jeknar.6184:

People could always waste supply with troll siege so your spy part is moot point.
If dumb pugs are trying to repair a lost cause piece of siege, they are likely to also be repairing a lost cause wall which is another moot point.

Repair Hammer will have a minimal impact imo as it’s hard to see a siege weapon survive long enough to need repairs.

Agreed minimal impact as anyone repairing siege on a wall will be nuked and siege goes down fast.

I voted No for a different reason. A waste of Anet’s dev time and resources, which is a limited commodity, on something that will be of limited use. Spend the time on better linking algorithms as the current ones don’t work….

Liston.9708:

Jeknar.6184:

People could always waste supply with troll siege so your spy part is moot point.
If dumb pugs are trying to repair a lost cause piece of siege, they are likely to also be repairing a lost cause wall which is another moot point.

Repair Hammer will have a minimal impact imo as it’s hard to see a siege weapon survive long enough to need repairs.

Agreed minimal impact as anyone repairing siege on a wall will be nuked and siege goes down fast.

I voted No for a different reason. A waste of Anet’s dev time and resources, which is a limited commodity, on something that will be of limited use. Spend the time on better linking algorithms as the current ones don’t work….

This is why I voted no. Spend your effort on something more meaningful.

Also pver’s are in wvw right now trying to get new tracks or the gift of battle, so them voting isn’t a good idea because they don’t know the ramifications of what this bad idea will do.

You all do realize that a yes vote on this poll just puts repair hammers in on a trial basis, and then they’ll have a poll to determine if players want to keep it in game.

What better way to see what the impact is? Try ’em out first, if they suck, people vote them out on the poll after the trial run.

At the bottom of the poll, in small type(you would have thought they would have learned from the last time they screwed up the wording of a poll to put important stuff like this in bold font)

After players have had a chance to test repair hammers we will hold a follow-up poll to determine if repair hammers should become a permanent feature of the game.

Waste of resource time imho

Repair Hammers are a terrible idea.

Anything that prolongs boring siege wars and takes away from actual fighting is bad.

Not a fan of repair hammers, just because it seems to tilt things more in the favor of big offensive groups. Small offensive groups barely have enough supply to build anything and won’t be able to get much usage out of repair hammers, but defenders will.

However, I don’t think hammers would quite “ruin” things…just make them a bit more screwed up.

Teon.5168:

You all do realize that a yes vote on this poll just puts repair hammers in on a trial basis, and then they’ll have a poll to determine if players want to keep it in game.

What better way to see what the impact is? Try ’em out first, if they suck, people vote them out on the poll after the trial run.

At the bottom of the poll, in small type(you would have thought they would have learned from the last time they screwed up the wording of a poll to put important stuff like this in bold font)

After players have had a chance to test repair hammers we will hold a follow-up poll to determine if repair hammers should become a permanent feature of the game.

and linkings worked out so well using this logic… better to cut it off from the start…

I voted no for the simple reason that the dev time could be used on something more important then more hit or miss trial stuff ..

Liston.9708:

Teon.5168:

You all do realize that a yes vote on this poll just puts repair hammers in on a trial basis, and then they’ll have a poll to determine if players want to keep it in game.

What better way to see what the impact is? Try ’em out first, if they suck, people vote them out on the poll after the trial run.

At the bottom of the poll, in small type(you would have thought they would have learned from the last time they screwed up the wording of a poll to put important stuff like this in bold font)

After players have had a chance to test repair hammers we will hold a follow-up poll to determine if repair hammers should become a permanent feature of the game.

and linkings worked out so well using this logic…

Hammers are pretty minimal compared to linkings. I don’t see hammers doing much, except maybe prolong a siege piece for another couple seconds if it is getting hit. Doesn’t take much to kill a siege piece, so, unless siege hammers are incredibly overpowered, I don’t see them making much of a difference in a battle. I see them mainly being used after battles to go around and repair pieces that weren’t destroyed…..might save a few supply rather than having to rebuild them.

Reh.5986:

This will suck if they let super blobs use their 1200+ sup to keep all their trebs, gens, ACs, balis, catas alive. It’s bad enough fighting the scrub horde without giving their siege sustain.

I could see this if you needed to be out of combat and it only worked on tower/keep siege. Open field is asking for trouble.

if your server is incapable of burning that blob’s supply, u gonna lose ur stuffs either way. furthermore, that is a really stupid argument. they can juz rebuild another siege and building multi sieges is way more effective then repairing sieges

the main point of the repair hammer is for freaking canon or mortar since you cannot rebuild them.

Not only do I believe repair hammers are ‘moot’ as another player put it, but I believe Anet is wasting time and effort on an item that doesn’t matter to WvW. Is this the scrap to the starving mob that’s suppose to placate…geez, they must think we’re all simpletons.

Hesacon.8735:

I’m on the fence, but I don’t see the harm since most siege that gets hit is not going to survive very long. AoEs knock out arrow carts and balistas in seconds.

One compromise that could be made is like reviving a dead teammate, repair hammers couldn’t be used while in combat.

This would be the best way to do them if implemented. Oh you’re being hit? Sorry, you can’t repair that siege.

I don’t think people are thinking repair hammers through. There’s too many opportunities to abuse the mechanic, sadly.

SkyShroud.2865:

Reh.5986:

This will suck if they let super blobs use their 1200+ sup to keep all their trebs, gens, ACs, balis, catas alive. It’s bad enough fighting the scrub horde without giving their siege sustain.

I could see this if you needed to be out of combat and it only worked on tower/keep siege. Open field is asking for trouble.

if your server is incapable of burning that blob’s supply, u gonna lose ur stuffs either way. furthermore, that is a really stupid argument. they can juz rebuild another siege and building multi sieges is way more effective then repairing sieges

the main point of the repair hammer is for freaking canon or mortar since you cannot rebuild them.

Then fix the matchups first plz. As I said, I wouldn’t mind something like this on tower/keep siege.

Reh.5986:

SkyShroud.2865:

Reh.5986:

This will suck if they let super blobs use their 1200+ sup to keep all their trebs, gens, ACs, balis, catas alive. It’s bad enough fighting the scrub horde without giving their siege sustain.

I could see this if you needed to be out of combat and it only worked on tower/keep siege. Open field is asking for trouble.

if your server is incapable of burning that blob’s supply, u gonna lose ur stuffs either way. furthermore, that is a really stupid argument. they can juz rebuild another siege and building multi sieges is way more effective then repairing sieges

the main point of the repair hammer is for freaking canon or mortar since you cannot rebuild them.

Then fix the matchups first plz. As I said, I wouldn’t mind something like this on tower/keep siege.

For that to happen alot needs to change, even if matchups change they wont get far from blob arround and nuking every siege with AOE, reason reapair hammers were needed to counter how easy is to destroy siege,(in case of one or another piece survived that nuke raid….) if a group cant defeat a few pieces of siege there are only 2 situations, they are awfully bad or the broken linking sistem did his job again, for what ic people just want to take stuff w/o effort of fighthing siege and easy pvd, many even roll in and out of the mortar fire…even if Anet adds the simbol on the ground “hey move mortar fire inc” even with that players will cry cause they need to move asside or drop their pvd from one person shooting a mortar.. that is the gw2 player quality.

Rapair hammers are gimmicks to counter another gimmick, it is just fine.

Altough larger blobs will be in advantage of reapairing and spamming trebs against keeps, cause sometimes a server dont even have enaugh players to counter siege (that is how linking is working….) , a few rules need to be added in future.

gennyt.3428:

GW’s implementation of siege weapons shouldn’t be repairable, some are incredibly powerful and common as dirt on top of that. I’m gonna laugh my kitten off when blobs just repair their siege through defensive siege fire and the guys in the walls get blown up trying to repair their’s.

This is exactly what is going to happen. Voting yes is a vote for more blobbing to win.

What really should happen here is blobs everywhere need to siege the crap out of every little guy who thinks they are going to jump on siege and/ or repair it and show them exactly what this does in the hands of the zerg. See now, those guys coming in thinking, “man it would be nice if I can repair my AC to keep those hooligans off my gate.”. until they have the zerg building MORE acs, balis, rams, trebs and cats all at once and hitting them in the face with it all the while repairing it and ensuring they will never make it back into the structure they were trying to defend again. Currently most zergs go easy on the siege, because it is a boring waste of time, but if they really really want to find out what this does in the hands of the zerg they should show them…