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Rally mechanic
Rally Mechanic is like you surmised one of the main factors that stop smaller group play. Downstate in general is the main issue. I know guilds that are good enough to go 8v20, however (even factoring out Warbanners) the ability for larger groups to power rez (down not ded-ded)will almost always tilt the fight into the favor of the larger group.
There are obviously some exceptions (IE: a really poor larger group) but in all honesty this game would be much more exciting/rewarding for smaller groups if the rally mechanic did not reward the zergs as much. Rewarding smaller group play is a way to break up the zergs, and a way to inject some new life in a stale game.
Mag Server Leader
They’d probably get rid of the stomps for points mechanic if they did this, which makes me think they’ll never take away down state in WvW. That said, I do feel like down state hurts the game in small scale stuff.
Well, the whole point of the stomp pts was to promote smaller scale fights, which failed (as soon as they decided to nerf the impact of holding more than 1)
They’d probably get rid of the stomps for points mechanic if they did this, which makes me think they’ll never take away down state in WvW. That said, I do feel like down state hurts the game in small scale stuff.
Maybe not the downed state but removing the ability to rally off deaths in WvW. Or alternatively, make it so there is a cap to the person who puts the most damage into an opponent can rally.
This has been brought up a number of times, but it is still an issue. There are various changes that could be tried. Allow only a 1 to 1 rally, remove rally but allow rez by friendlies, remove rez of full dead, remove rally from wildlife. The stomps are fun and it adds an extra bit of strategy to the combat that justifies it staying, but the current setup does just favor the side with the larger force.
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De Mortuis Nil Nisi Bonum.
De Mortuis Nil Nisi Bonum.
This has been brought up a number of times, but it is still an issue. There are various changes that could be tried. Allow only a 1 to 1 rally, remove rally but allow rez by friendlies, remove rez of full dead, remove rally from wildlife. The stomps are fun and it adds an extra bit of strategy to the combat that justifies it staying, but the current setup does just favor the side with the larger force.
question, not a statement. is the above accurate given the fact the side with the smaller force automatically gets the outnumbered buff?
I think the rally mechanic can stay(it does help out the smaller group sometimes) but fix it so you don’t just sneeze on someone and get a free revive, make it require a significant percentage of damage. And remove hard rezzing while in combat.
Whispers with meat.
It goes back to the fact that the combat system was designed and built from the ground up around small number fast paced fights(sPvP). And in this it truly shines, but they have piggy backed that system into WvW and it just doesnt scale well.
It’s not so much about the downed state but more about the rally mechanic, look im not saying there is not some counterplay around this. When we are running our condi group we try and line up the downed player for an epi bomb when people rush in for the revive. But to me it seems that the numerical advantage doesnt need a boost with a mechanics advantage.
The revive speed for 1 person seems to be in line, but multiples add far too much to the revive speed. Maybe this speed could be tweeked a little and a debuff for say 20 seconds after being revived, whereby you inflict say 50% dmg or your cooldowns take a hit. Clearly a debuff is able to be applied, you see this when using the revive orb. Seems wrong you can get up from a revive all cooldowns ready to go and 100% dmg capacity, wheres the reward to the small co-ordinated group that worked hard to bring the target down against x2 or x3 their numbers?
Chorazin
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I like the idea to nurf rally off death or remove it completely. Friendly rez only.
JQ subsidiary
Oh c’mon, the only thing Anet manages to sell to wvwers is finishers.
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Oh c’mon, the only thing Anet manages to sell to wvwers is finishers.
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How do you know that wvwers only buy finishers? And also, why do you think a change to the rally mechanic would hurt sales of said finishers? In the current system, random rallying will often prevent me from stomping, which makes me less willing to spend money on finishers.
Xáros – Necromancer
Needs to go away in WvW, it promotes bad play. Favors the blob…which is never a good thing.
Actually rally mechanic help smaller groups. Jump inside huge blob with guild spam some skills and you get rally whole time. Often guilds win only because of rally mechanic.
Low quality trolling since launch
Seafarer’s Rest EotM grinch
Seafarer’s Rest EotM grinch
I’d rather disable reviving those defeated while in combat. It not only gets in the way as you sometimes will try to revive a defeated player instead using siege or some other object, but allows bigger groups to recover, so smaller groups can’t just shave their numbers off slowly. Some people even stick around for way too long asking for revivals in the middle of combat, and some listen, breaking the pace of the battle.
Require full revive to be out of combat. Only rally should work during combat.
Honestly, I don’t get we have downed state if someone stomping can just get the stomp eventually. (this is disregarding zerg fights where you tend to rally)
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Oh c’mon, the only thing Anet manages to sell to wvwers is finishers.
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What does that have to do with the rally mechanic?
You’ll still go down, you can still be revived by teammates, and you can still be finished. The only difference is that you wouldn’t rally when an enemy dies.
It’s an easy fix, you already don’t rally from pets and yaks. There’s no good excuse for not making this change to WvW.
Kayku
Envy – Fort Aspenwood
Envy – Fort Aspenwood