Guild Wars 2

Yes another ranger QQ post.

Why Anet? Why can I not find a decent fight before some no-skill longbow ranger bursts me down from 1500 range on a wall. IT MAKES NO SENSE. There is no movement in their strategy, no thought in their skill usage and no variation in their builds.

It’s a kittening disgrace to a game that used to have fun combat.

This needs to change.

Given this is a WvW forum and you rarely ever see Ranger QQ post’s on it, a better question would be..

What exact use does a Ranger have in WvW outside of a of a surprise burst that can’t kill anyone unless their made of glass? Not to mention it’s easily avoidable.

Start there before taking away what 1 use they have, which really isn’t useful to begin with.

There’s a very useful thing called dodge in this game, ever heard of it?

sadking.9625:

longbow ranger bursts me down from 1900 range on a wall. IT MAKES NO SENSE.

fixed.

dem arrows arc and travel farther than their tooltip, mostly because they’re on high ground.

DeadlySynz.3471:

Given this is a WvW forum and you rarely ever see Ranger QQ post’s on it, a better question would be..

What exact use does a Ranger have in WvW outside of a of a surprise burst that can’t kill anyone unless their made of glass? Not to mention it’s easily avoidable.

Start there before taking away what 1 use they have, which really isn’t useful to begin with.

Yep.

Rangers are constantly being told to switch to other “good” classes, in WvW, by commanders.

Not saying that we don’t have our occasional uses, or that we don’t need reworking (as I think we do).

However, if we were considered OP, in any meaningful, or more generally useful way, commanders etc. would be telling other classes to switch to Ranger; not the other way around.

sadking.9625:

Yes another ranger QQ post.

Why Anet? Why can I not find a decent fight before some no-skill longbow ranger bursts me down from 1500 range on a wall. IT MAKES NO SENSE. There is no movement in their strategy, no thought in their skill usage and no variation in their builds.

It’s a kittening disgrace to a game that used to have fun combat.

This needs to change.

Lear to play man.
Ranger has so many limits in this game. It’ s truly the most broken class in this game.
If you fail versus a ranger..It’ s only your fault I’ m sorry

I dont know what you play but i bet you are a thief who have a macro to jump on targets and kitten them.
I tell you something buddy. A glass ranger dont have the damage to kill a dd cele ele df cele is the worst nightmare. Btw same with medi gua. Warriors get out of range faster or jump in our face faster as we shoot our second arrow, mesmers evaid, invul, put 84 stacks of confusion, engis have annoying amount of cc and that reflect… Thieves jump in, make us use long cd skills, jump out, reset fight and comes back. Necros just facetank our dmg
Power ranger is nothing more as a mediocare sniper

Well, power rangers strength lies in long range burst.
Just like power thieves/mesmers strength lies in surprise burst.
Just like guardians/warriors strength lies in predictable burst but with backed up defence.
Just like engineers/elementalists strength lies in being adaptable.

Only thing id cry about is necromancer mobility & stability which isnt compensated for in reliable damage, or my own lack of reaction time and decisionmaking/patience in alot of scenarios.
And no im far from a necro main.

Every profession mentioned is summed up in a roaming scenario.

Bind your dodge to a hot key (I like “V”)

I’m not sure what class you’re playing, but most of them have either a reflect or block pretty easily accessible.

I’m an ele and use the extended range from atop a wall all the time, any ranged attack with a projectile gains this advantage.

A glass ranger will melt if you give them a stern look so accept that he was playing to his strengths. The one advantage about playing defense is that you can switch to zerker gear and not have to worry about a thief one shot.

Let them have something in WvW, they get enough crap as it is.

you shouldnt look for decent fights next to a wall where a ranger can get you -_-

I will say that although I do not reasonably expect to triumph over multiple opposing players who coordinate fire, it is frustrating to get hit for so much damage with no ability to counter it. No blocks, no reflects, no escapes, and I can dodge sure but that’s already taxed to its utmost because of the complete lack of the other three. They always seem to get you after you have to double dodge out of a tight spot. XD

What usually happens is I have to waste DS to eat the damage.

Just a little something A net? My engineer can reflect it, Elixir S or stealth out of that mess. Warrior can escape or block, just one little thing like that is all I ask… But wish in one hand and poop in the other…

Hamster.4861:

sadking.9625:

longbow ranger bursts me down from 1900 range on a wall. IT MAKES NO SENSE.

fixed.

dem arrows arc and travel farther than their tooltip, mostly because they’re on high ground.

Show me a player downed from a 1900 range Rapid Fire and i’ll show you an AFK player.

sadking.9625:

Yes another ranger QQ post.

Why Anet? Why can I not find a decent fight before some no-skill longbow ranger bursts me down from 1500 range on a wall. IT MAKES NO SENSE. There is no movement in their strategy, no thought in their skill usage and no variation in their builds.

It’s a kittening disgrace to a game that used to have fun combat.

This needs to change.

Who in is perfect mind stays in the range of a zerker LB ranger and doest increase the gap if u cant reach him?

For some reason imo i think u were trying to kill the ranger on the wall.
If u cant reach him or dont have a gap closer expect to loose.

Well, being serious now: LB rangers are very good roamers on the alpine borderlands, because there are very few LoS spots. That doesn’t make them OP. If they are a problem for you, try to lure them into places where you can fight them more easily (in camps, near a ruin, etc.). And bring reflects. You’re lucky though: 99% (made-up stat) of rangers in WvW are absolutely terrible, so they are not much of an issue. They just made winning outnumbered fights a bit more tricky.

On a side note, rangers are crazily OP in water combat because Lick Wounds (the downstate skill #3) out heals even a full zerker damage with poison on, and you can’t stomp in the water. But nobody fights in the water anyway.

sadking.9625:

Yes another ranger QQ post.

Why Anet? Why can I not find a decent fight before some no-skill longbow ranger bursts me down from 1500 range on a wall. IT MAKES NO SENSE. There is no movement in their strategy, no thought in their skill usage and no variation in their builds.

It’s a kittening disgrace to a game that used to have fun combat.

This needs to change.

You obviously have never played a ranger if you think good ones have no skill, movement, and/or variation to their builds.

And about getting burst down on a wall at 1500 range……as others have said here….L2P….use the dodge key or just back out of range. It is super easy to avoid the ranger’s long range, if you’re paying attention.

I think that was me if you were from ET or Kain?

I laughed, my party laughed, my entire guild laughed. I’m still laughing as I type this.

You melted faster than a snowball in Hades. I’m sorry.

Doo Lally.8594:

You melted faster than a snowball in Hades.

Now that is one sick burn.
…
…
puts on sunglasses

sadking.9625:

Yes another ranger QQ post.

Why Anet? Why can I not find a decent fight before some no-skill longbow ranger bursts me down from 1500 range on a wall. IT MAKES NO SENSE. There is no movement in their strategy, no thought in their skill usage and no variation in their builds.

It’s a kittening disgrace to a game that used to have fun combat.

This needs to change.

So you were killed by a guy with a bow,shooting from a wall.That is truly unacceptable,why cant they all run hammers and shake the earth,right? :-)

sadking.9625:

There is no movement in their strategy, no thought in their skill usage and no variation in their builds.

Hello,
I play a condi ranger- short bow axe/torch. I find longbow boring but I usually see more people complain about condi cheese than about not being able to avoid rapidfire.
Sincerely,
Variety

rhapsody.3615:

sadking.9625:

There is no movement in their strategy, no thought in their skill usage and no variation in their builds.

Hello,
I play a condi ranger- short bow axe/torch. I find longbow boring but I usually see more people complain about condi cheese than about not being able to avoid rapidfire.
Sincerely,
Variety

Hello also, I play a hybrid power/condi Ranger — axe/dagger and sword/torch. I have ~2000 base power and ~600 condition damage. I use sharpening stones and condi foods. People complain about everything I do.

Sincerely,
Variety MkII

Well to be fair Power rangers are a one trick pony.
As to you, great sirs Variety & Variety MkII, people complain more about condi when above a decent skill level, because condi have fewer weaknesess and applies stronger burst(condi) than alot of other condition builds out there, all while being very durable.

sadking.9625:

Yes another ranger QQ post.

Why Anet? Why can I not find a decent fight before some no-skill longbow ranger bursts me down from 1500 range on a wall. IT MAKES NO SENSE. There is no movement in their strategy, no thought in their skill usage and no variation in their builds.

It’s a kittening disgrace to a game that used to have fun combat.

This needs to change.

Since many Rangers can’t take down very many players, I have to wonder at your choice of build…

Most people posting here never seen a good power ranger it seems.

aspirine.6852:

Most people posting here never seen a good power ranger it seems.

To be fair, they are a rare breed.

I think the problem here is the wall, not the ranger. For the love of Oprah, please nerf the walls!

I got this whisper from a hambow warrior (yes hambow in wvw ^^) who tried to tag our guild group from behind thinking he was John Rambo. It’s sad.

hobotnicax.7918:

I got this whisper from a hambow warrior (yes hambow in wvw ^^) who tried to tag our guild group from behind thinking he was John Rambo. It’s sad.

Quick..to ze choppah !! XD

FrouFrou.4958:

I think the problem here is the wall, not the ranger. For the love of Oprah, please nerf the walls!

I always run ‘Wall’ as my 2nd utility slot.

FrouFrou.4958:

I think the problem here is the wall, not the ranger. For the love of Oprah, please nerf the walls!

The new metas for attacking walls in WvW:

• DPS WALL!!! (PvW)
• Double jump to get over the wall
• Build the ram by this wall
• Use this AC to take the wall down
• Pole vault over that wall

New quotes from defenders because of nerf to walls:

• Ugh those random ogres broke our wall again
• Mesmer just jumped over wall, portal INC!!!
• Ram up by wall at XXX Wall at XX%

Go run into 2+ *good*Thieves running together … then come complain to me about anything else :-p

That hurts.

You know what’s a disgrace. People expecting the world to change for them instead of putting in a little time and effort to conquer a challenge.

A good power ranger will win most 1v1s in WvW, but I mean come on, It’s one of our few shining moments. I wouldn’t really care if they nerfed the range as long as they gave lb something in return.

It’s amusing watching people defend 3k auto attacks from 1500 range.

Outside of roaming…or maybe a pick team / game squad, Rangers have no viable use in WvW because there are other classes that can outperform anything a Ranger can do. WvW is about efficiency and optimized team cohesion. Very few skilled guild groups will run a Ranger, and if so, for a very specific purpose after all other team composition requirements were met.I

Vermillion.4061:

It’s amusing watching people defend 3k auto attacks from 1500 range.

It’s also amusing watching people defend: stealth, condi spam, perma stun, 10k+ backstabs, warriors who move like the Flash, perplexity builds… you name it.

Every profession is good at something, some are even good at multiple things. So I don’t really understand all the complaining about RANGErs doing damage from afar.

If it’s such an issue for you just build to counter it, I had to modify my ranger build to counter thieves and mesmers (mostly cause of their stealth), and by modify I mean use different utility skills to keep me alive while I nuke their kitten from long range or up close.
Identify your weakness and improve on it.

hobotnicax.7918:

Vermillion.4061:

It’s amusing watching people defend 3k auto attacks from 1500 range.

Thieves 10k+ backstabs

no… on full zerk staff ele idiot yes but the average backstab is in the range of 5,5- 7k
So many quit playing thief after crit dmg nerf cuz they cant get the job done before they have to bail which is the whole point of the build.

hobotnicax.7918:

I got this whisper from a hambow warrior (yes hambow in wvw ^^) who tried to tag our guild group from behind thinking he was John Rambo. It’s sad.

That awkward moment when people like that hambow pretend to know what Rangers skills are and give the wrong number.

The complaint is on Rapid Fire which is skill 2 not skill 1

But this has been addressed numerous times and the thought of these threads make me want to stab a new born quaggan in front of its mother.

ill take my infraction now moderator -_-

Davey.7029:

There’s a very useful thing called dodge in this game, ever heard of it?

As an unsuccessful thief still trying to cling to P/P i really really hope everyone forgets dodge ever exsisted. But it is always shocking how many people will eat 2-3 full unloads basically letting themselves get downed and never throw 1 dodge. Bads killing worse Bads! That is how i roll!

Wolfey.3407:

hobotnicax.7918:

I got this whisper from a hambow warrior (yes hambow in wvw ^^) who tried to tag our guild group from behind thinking he was John Rambo. It’s sad.

That awkward moment when people like that hambow pretend to know what Rangers skills are and give the wrong number.

The complaint is on Rapid Fire which is skill 2 not skill 1

But this has been addressed numerous times and the thought of these threads make me want to stab a new born quaggan in front of its mother.

ill take my infraction now moderator -_-

Actually I crit him 3,5k with my #1 skill, he remembered to dodge half way through my RF burst Thing is, he tried to run from me and he got destroyed. Never bring a hambow build to an open field fight vs. a zerker LB ranger.

hobotnicax.7918:

Wolfey.3407:

hobotnicax.7918:

I got this whisper from a hambow warrior (yes hambow in wvw ^^) who tried to tag our guild group from behind thinking he was John Rambo. It’s sad.

That awkward moment when people like that hambow pretend to know what Rangers skills are and give the wrong number.

The complaint is on Rapid Fire which is skill 2 not skill 1

But this has been addressed numerous times and the thought of these threads make me want to stab a new born quaggan in front of its mother.

ill take my infraction now moderator -_-

Actually I crit him 3,5k with my #1 skill, he remembered to dodge half way through my RF burst Thing is, he tried to run from me and he got destroyed. Never bring a hambow build to an open field fight vs. a zerker LB ranger.

Hambow in WvW… Because a complete lack of mobility is a good thing!

rofl i main a power ranger, longbow with sword + dagger. full zerker gear.the very defintion of glass cannon. i mainly roam in wvw solo or 3 man groups. zerging maybe once a week. i can tell u from expereince it really is not hard to dodge a rangers burst. and the burst itself even on full zerker is not really enough to down most players. thats why i stack it with bleeds. use pet for might switch to spider to imbolize. the sword dagger is only there when ppl get up close and i get chance to stack some poison. 9/10 if ur close to me and iv ran out of dodge /evades its game over. ranger is by no stretch of the imagination OP. but if played correctly it can be great class. just like any class. most ranger just open up and spam there skilsl without any thought and most wil open with burst skilll. by which time the other has predicted this dodged it got close and wrecked havoc. ranger dosent just have the burst u have stealth, knockback and way more utility than ppl think. but again things need to be executed at the right time. with some thought put into it. if ur guna stand there and let me use my no5 longbow skill to stack vulnerabilty while i imbolize u stacking some bleeds ofc ur guna go down. ranger is great class and can do just as good in melee as in range. ofc there are alot of classes which can do better in most scenarios. but there isnt much i have issues with while in wvw. unless its my own stupid mistake.

sadking.9625:

Yes another ranger QQ post.

Why Anet? Why can I not find a decent fight before some no-skill longbow ranger bursts me down from 1500 range on a wall. IT MAKES NO SENSE. There is no movement in their strategy, no thought in their skill usage and no variation in their builds.

It’s a kittening disgrace to a game that used to have fun combat.

This needs to change.

please don’t say there is no variation in their builds. I’ve fought several rangers who dont just pew pew. In addition pew pew is very easy to fight.

1) never engage in an open area, if you do find a location to los them or disengage them.
2) force them to fight in melee.
3) if you got reflects or blocks save them for pew pew time.

Yes, is ranger a tad annoying but that doesn’t mean it should be changed. So before you blame the system look at your build or how you fight to see what you can do to kill those filthy pew pewers.

Note also that HoT is giving thieves some new projectile avoidance (above and beyond generous dodge/evade access and Dagger Storm, that is).

Mesmers, also.

I almost wish it was back at the beginning when the thief was the rangers worst enemy. Now they have none?

aspirine.6852:

I almost wish it was back at the beginning when the thief was the rangers worst enemy. Now they have none?

With an engineer using reflect, 2 solid blocks, and magnet pull, and rocket boots to close a gap. I feel I am a natural predictor of the LB user. I have little difficulty dispatching rang e s with my warrior at all, and even less trouble when on my mesmer.

In my opinion if your having difficulty with a ranger, that is the fault of your own build and how you are playing it.

aspirine.6852:

I almost wish it was back at the beginning when the thief was the rangers worst enemy. Now they have none?

Plenty of characters kill pew-pew rangers quite easily.

For that matters, thieves definitely don’t, like, die to them out of hand.

This whole thread is about folks playing a very particular one-and-done build (that a lot of WvW thieves now avoid in favor of more flexible builds) and not knowing how to use their very limited (by their own choice!) set of defensive abilities to deal with rangers who don’t go down instantly when attacked. Shrug.

coglin.1867:

aspirine.6852:

I almost wish it was back at the beginning when the thief was the rangers worst enemy. Now they have none?

With an engineer using reflect, 2 solid blocks, and magnet pull, and rocket boots to close a gap. I feel I am a natural predictor of the LB user. I have little difficulty dispatching rang e s with my warrior at all, and even less trouble when on my mesmer.

In my opinion if your having difficulty with a ranger, that is the fault of your own build and how you are playing it.

on guardian in my case i just carry a sword focus in inventory, drop staff when is not needed or in case of group will enter in battle, when im alone is a must use set.

funny note when im distracted, typing in chat or nything else i die faster under pew pew LB than an ac shower(need to be several ac’s for that) :P

coglin.1867:

aspirine.6852:

I almost wish it was back at the beginning when the thief was the rangers worst enemy. Now they have none?

With an engineer using reflect, 2 solid blocks, and magnet pull, and rocket boots to close a gap. I feel I am a natural predictor of the LB user. I have little difficulty dispatching rang e s with my warrior at all, and even less trouble when on my mesmer.

In my opinion if your having difficulty with a ranger, that is the fault of your own build and how you are playing it.

I’m not talking soloing, when was the last time you saw a roaming LB ranger. But in backline zerging they can snipe prety easy, No matter how good you say you are. I’ts the easiest job in the world, and very effective.

aspirine.6852:

I’ts the easiest job in the world, and very effective.

I’m pretty sure full shadow arts thieves still get to claim the title of easiest job in the world. I hopped on mine last night after not playing a shadow arts build for a few months and wrecked face. 1v1 you are unkillable unless you do something stupid. I trolled about 30 people on inner bay for at least 5 min, the only reason I died was they set a stealth trap for me. Come to think of it, the only time I died all night was when I’d go to port out of an aoe bomb and get the “no valid path” message.

I had no problem dodging rapid fire because I could camp stealth afterwards to regain my endurance or simply port to a safe distance. Even when I had a ranger use sic ’em on me I just used dagger storm to reflect his shots.

Rapid fire isn’t a 1 shot skill. It is a 10 shot channel that takes 2.5 seconds. If you eat that entire channel you have no one to blame but yourself.

aspirine.6852:

I’m not talking soloing, when was the last time you saw a roaming LB ranger.

Nearly every single Ranger I come across. What tier are you in that Rangers don’t roam with LB? Let me know so I can queue up my transfer