I know it’s really really early, but this is looking like a lot of really close matches this week. I’m going to go out on a tiny limb here and say the reset will be a disaster after looking at the final scores for this week.
I agree. The servers are finally finding their right spot on the ladder. We should see much closer scores, at least until is gets ruined and everyone starts over again. Then it will be back to Server 1: 400,000 Server 2: 125,000 Server 3: 99,000.
I agree aswell, in EU everyone is at his right tier, all that’s left is arborstone to drop a few more, but that would have happened after this week anyway.
Agreed… We were looking at going back to t8 again after this or maybe next week and maybe grow from there on, but now we (WSR) are looking at a first place and weeks of getting facerolled. Sure we will fight, but it’s not going to be alot of fun and we run the risk of losing players this way.
I sincerly hope that Anet has some undisclosed, alternate maths for the next matchups…
skwas aka Corwann – Warrior/Guardian
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Yeah, I completely agree, T1-3 look pretty good for a change.
SBI may have to fall one more and Emry bay move up one.
This reset is happening at a really terrible time.
My god everything looks like an outright nightmare in the next matchup. …well, based on old math, anyways… hopefully ANet has a clever plan in mind, or else there’s going to be so many matches that will make Kaineg’s ridiculous trouncing of other servers look like a fair fight.
Yeah, ratings reset was kind of an odd decision. While the tiers were messed up after everyone and their uncle transferred to a new server, I don’t think they were ruined enough to merit completely resetting the rating. Now for instance, based on prior match-ups it looks like Ebay will win by the largest margin making them the new #1 server, when realistically they should be in tier 4. The tier 1 servers meanwhile, which have the most 24/7 coverage and will end up with the closest scores, will be dropped to mid-tier giving us another month of one-sided matches.
I totally agree except reset night is a very bad judge if the tiers are equal. All servers in top 3 tiers can field all bl. It’s during the week blow outs start to happen
JPSnow (main) – Necro, Sir Mezalot – Mesmer
Lieutenant Stabs – Thief
Night Vision (NV) – Blackgate
For quite a while we had a very leveled field. From time to time things would move around with communities falling and rising. But those would be a case of 1-2 matches per week while all other matchups were doing fine. In the end, servers that won’t deserve it would go down, servers that do would go up.
Reseting rankings will make it exactly the same. Field will level up. But it will take several weeks of completely messed up matchups. Unneccesery is the least I can call it.
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Just for a example last week FA was third on reset night and we won by 80,000. Kain and yaks were neck and neck as well an kain won by 200000 or something like that.
JPSnow (main) – Necro, Sir Mezalot – Mesmer
Lieutenant Stabs – Thief
Night Vision (NV) – Blackgate
Interesting thing about the Glicko rating system is since it only accounts for the magnitude of a server winning within their tier, it’s possible that the best server would never reach the #1 spot. For instance, say that SoS, SoR, and JQ are so evenly matched that the score is dead even at the end of the week and will place them all in tier 5. Even though they would beat the servers in tiers 1-4, because they are stuck fighting each other, they will never be able to progress to higher tiers since their relative WvW performance is static. Although that scenario is extremely unlikely, I hope that some adjustment is made so that the next couple of months aren’t too painful.
Agreed… We were looking at going back to t8 again after this or maybe next week and maybe grow from there on, but now we (WSR) are looking at a first place and weeks of getting facerolled. Sure we will fight, but it’s not going to be alot of fun and we run the risk of losing players this way.
I sincerly hope that Anet has some undisclosed, alternate maths for the next matchups…
You should ease up on your point income if you don’t want to be out of your depth next week. Rolling in 600+ points, you’re just setting your own fate.
Agreed… We were looking at going back to t8 again after this or maybe next week and maybe grow from there on, but now we (WSR) are looking at a first place and weeks of getting facerolled. Sure we will fight, but it’s not going to be alot of fun and we run the risk of losing players this way.
I sincerly hope that Anet has some undisclosed, alternate maths for the next matchups…
You should ease up on your point income if you don’t want to be out of your depth next week. Rolling in 600+ points, you’re just setting your own fate.
I wish it were that simple. Even the general population is capable of holding a point lead. Vabbi is not really a threat and FoW might for the same reason decide not to really push that hard. We already outnumber them most of the times so it is almost certain we are going to come out on top. We had a guild meeting before reset and decided not to push into enemy territory, yet the map turned green within 1 hour after reset… :/
skwas aka Corwann – Warrior/Guardian
[CC] Crimson Conspiracy
Gunnar’s Hold
Ehh, while some good match-ups will certainly get mixed up one thing it will do is rocket some of the recently deserted servers to the bottom so it doesn’t take them half a year to get down there.
At least it will quickly prevent any 1v1v0 match-ups for the most part.
Stop this madness. Resets are getting done at the perfect time. Free transfers are locked. A clean slate is what every server needed. All this should’ve happened over 2 months to be honest. This is good thing. And if you read the millenium page, they do not have the proper algorithm from Anet, so those match ups are most likely incorrect.
Talaysteria/Talas Cap/Talarenth
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We’ve had fairly close matchup for weeks now prior to the reset. I don’t mind a week or two of being steamrolled/steamrolling. It will just make us appreciated the closer matches again once we get there.
It’s also a big “screw you” to all the “winning server joiners” who have been switching servers excessively.
Things will be fairly close again in a week or two, relax.
Theres probably at least a few problems with this idea but why not have the 1st place server move up and 3rd place server move down after every week. Now that there wont be huge transfers this sounds like a great option. Every server will have different opponents every week. Those who are always between the same tiers always have “lets get em next week”. Im not sure but once we level out completely with our current system it may become very boring if we know we cant move up and will always face the same servers.
What pisses me off is that we spent a lot of time making a decision on our final transfer, picking the server that best fit our needs, the tier that best fit our needs, and we did it expecting that things would be somewhat stable after transfers ended.
Then along comes ANET and intentionally screws it up for weeks. I do not care that eventually it will rebalance, why should I have weeks of boring or bad match-ups so that it can eventually get back to where it is now?
Population is what drives servers upwards, those populations are now going to be relatively static with free transfers over, so what the kitten is the point of resetting ratings now?
Agreed… We were looking at going back to t8 again after this or maybe next week and maybe grow from there on, but now we (WSR) are looking at a first place and weeks of getting facerolled. Sure we will fight, but it’s not going to be alot of fun and we run the risk of losing players this way.
I sincerly hope that Anet has some undisclosed, alternate maths for the next matchups…
You should ease up on your point income if you don’t want to be out of your depth next week. Rolling in 600+ points, you’re just setting your own fate.
That is silly suggestion because not addressing problem of system and just trying to fix it in your favor. Servers should play to their upmost abilities. And Anet needs to fix scoring better.
The ratings reset will actually cause imbalances for the next 10 weeks until this becomes sorted out again. I do not understand the logic.
That said, what do we really expect? Look at the culling system. The system failed a test in December and was reverted. So what happened? They rolled out the same failed system a second time expecting a different result.
The ratings reset will actually cause imbalances for the next 10 weeks until this becomes sorted out again. I do not understand the logic.
That said, what do we really expect? Look at the culling system. The system failed a test in December and was reverted. So what happened? They rolled out the same failed system a second time expecting a different result.
It won’t cause imbalances because right now everyone is teamed with the servers they would have been teamed with this week. The only change is each server is no longer rated. I think this is good and here’s why.
Up until the change to paid transfers servers would gain/lose guilds which caused massive imbalance. If you look at NA servers over the last few weeks you would have seen SBI fall from grace. When they hit T2, SoR got massive points for beating them BECAUSE SBI was ranked so much higher than them. This caused SoR to shoot right up the ladder gaining hundreds of points/week. Once a T1 server falls to T2 legitimately (they were unable to keep enough score to fend off a top T2 server), it takes many weeks to regain your position in T1, because you are fighting servers below your rank (points not ladder). It took BG nearly 8 weeks to push back into T1 after winning in T2 for 8 consecutive weeks. Why? Because the rating system said “You need to beat your opponent by much more since you are higher ranked”.
With the reset of points, servers will get proper points based upon beating teams of ‘equal’ rating. So now when you gain points against the other 2 servers they are true points, not scaled in any way. Now you can say “they aren’t equal”, but they are as close as we can get. It would have been a true disaster if they decided to completely randomize the match-ups.
What I cannot attest to is the actual Glicko values they use or if the system should be used at all. Glicko was designed as a way to rank an individual not a collective. While it was ingenious to look at a server as a collective ‘individual’, they didn’t take into consideration the impact guilds would have in the movement. In the grand scheme of things, individuals will come and go and the total population would be even, but when whole guilds move that can be devastating. How they missed this in a game called “Guild Wars”, I don’t know.
As it stands right now there is a t8 server moving up to t1 cause they winning by most points. The t1 servers JQ SoS and SoR all moving down cause its a close matchup. Next month is gonna be wacked out.
Stop this madness. Resets are getting done at the perfect time. Free transfers are locked. A clean slate is what every server needed. All this should’ve happened over 2 months to be honest. This is good thing. And if you read the millenium page, they do not have the proper algorithm from Anet, so those match ups are most likely incorrect.
Well I really don’t get why a reset was needed. But lets hope that those current match ups posted on millenium are just kittened up for the moment, because right now it has DH matched up in T2 against Kaineng and BG. If that holds up I have no idea why anyone from DH would want to play that match.
Stop this madness. Resets are getting done at the perfect time. Free transfers are locked. A clean slate is what every server needed. All this should’ve happened over 2 months to be honest. This is good thing. And if you read the millenium page, they do not have the proper algorithm from Anet, so those match ups are most likely incorrect.
Well I really don’t get why a reset was needed. But lets hope that those current match ups posted on millenium are just kittened up for the moment, because right now it has DH matched up in T2 against Kaineng and BG. If that holds up I have no idea why anyone from DH would want to play that match.
Edit: Unless of course Anet intends for loooooooooong queues to even things out? Personally I think they just kittened up.
Either way, it will iron out faster bec all of our ratings are getting reset. We will hit equilibrium faster this way. Do the math. Even if they keep everything the same and just reset rating.
Talaysteria/Talas Cap/Talarenth
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Premature thread. Take a look at the scores, and match-ups arent nearly as close as you think. IN fact some of them have been decided already just by the performances during offhours. For what its worth, virtually all matches are close a few hours after reset. It is reset after all and numbers are relatively equal. By weeks end, Anets decision will have been justified.
So the tier 9 and 8 winners will go straight to tier 1 after winning their blowout matches after this week? Hmm, how does this reset help anything other than adding another month of unbalanced matchups?
So the tier 9 and 8 winners will go straight to tier 1 after winning their blowout matches after this week? Hmm, how does this reset help anything other than adding another month of unbalanced matchups?
For example Sorrows Furnace did not belong in T8. They grossly outnumber the other two servers but with the ratings points the way they were no matter how big the blowout the couldn’t move out of the tier. Sure the next few weeks will be unbalanced as they also don’t belong in tier1, but next week they will lose by a large margin and move down somewhere closer to where they belong.
If they ARE “finding their rank”, then surely they can find it again. If a good server gets dropped because of a “comparatively low” showing, surely it will rise again with no trouble.
GW1 reset its guild rankings periodically, why consider this any different?
I like how right when the servers start to settle and be mostly ‘even’, they’re all nopnopnop reset T.T. Heres to atleast two more weeks kitten matchups~
Premature thread. Take a look at the scores, and match-ups arent nearly as close as you think. IN fact some of them have been decided already just by the performances during offhours. For what its worth, virtually all matches are close a few hours after reset. It is reset after all and numbers are relatively equal. By weeks end, Anets decision will have been justified.
You truly do not understand how the Glicko-2 system works. Normally it takes into account several scores from past weeks to set the rating (which has the function of smoothing out the effects of individual weeks), but now it only has the 1500 point reference to work against. Take a look at the projected matchups (http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA) for next week to see how screwed up your comment is.
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Premature thread. Take a look at the scores, and match-ups arent nearly as close as you think. IN fact some of them have been decided already just by the performances during offhours. For what its worth, virtually all matches are close a few hours after reset. It is reset after all and numbers are relatively equal. By weeks end, Anets decision will have been justified.
You truly do not understand how the Glicko-2 system works. Normally it takes into account several scores from past weeks to set the rating (which has the function of smoothing out the effects of individual weeks), but now it only has the 1500 point reference to work against. Take a look at the projected matchups (http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA) for next week to see how screwed up your comment is.
I understand EXACTLY how it works. Even the math behind it. WHat you dont understand is my comment was directed at the person who claimed the matchups were find a nice equal balance when it is slowly proving to be anything but outside 3 or 4 tiers.
What you fail you understand is that the ratings is flawed. Take Tier 8 for example and the disparity between tier 7 and tier 8 and the fact that had these ratings not been reset, it would takes months for any tier 8 server to rise to tier 7 due to the fact that the rating differential between the best tier 8 server and the two others is huge. And the rating difference between the best tier 8 server and the worst tier 7 server is also huge.
In the current system that server (Sorrows Furnace) will need to continue winning for months on end (and by blow-outs no less) against their lesser opponents to even sniff a chance at going up. Of course this means tier 8 will be forever unbalanced. Sorrows Furnace cannot rise enough rankings fast enough, and hell even if they win if they dont win by enoguh they could lose ratings points.
So tell me again what i dont understand?
You jump to conclusions as if the projected matchups are gospel when Anet itself hasnt announced what rating system theyll be using of if some newer form of adjustment is being made. It could be the same it might not be. The site itself says its not accurate.
If anything you dont understand how glicko works. And no i do not play in tier 8, but you overlook the entire grand scheme of ratings and act as if it only applies to the top 2 or 3 tiers.
And no, it does NOT taking into account SEVERAL scores from past weeks, since in this format, the ratings are calculated on a weekly basis on conclusion on the match, meaning it is always up to date, needing the score of only the most recent score.
