You guys are silly. Rams and Golems are just as useful as before! You just can’t run up to any gate and flash build them. Try building some counter siege to clear it out a bit. Over all the AC’s (even though I don’t fully agree with the damage) made people have to try for towers.
Well if you move non zerg you have a 30 sec time that they will not get notifier. Now if there are ppl defining it and defending it well you may have to “work” for it. But whom i to talk every one love there pvd.
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They should be removed from WvW now. Pointless siege.
Agreed. I actually think AC’s are where they should be, but rams and golems are utterly worthless now. They should either increase their HP’s or give them a 75% reduction to siege damage or both.
Only an idiot would rush a gate with rams or golems which has multiple arrow carts being manned.
Every gate has multiple arrow carts manned (at least we do in tier 1), so we shouldn’t attack gates any more?
Try building some counter siege to clear it out a bit.
You do realize that defenders can place AC’s so that they can hit a door but cannot not be hit by ANY attacking siege. This plus the damage boost means gate attacks with rams and golems get utterly decimated.
They should be removed from WvW now. Pointless siege.
Agreed. I actually think AC’s are where they should be, but rams and golems are utterly worthless now. They should either increase their HP’s or give them a 75% reduction to siege damage or both.
Only an idiot would rush a gate with rams or golems which has multiple arrow carts being manned.
Every gate has multiple arrow carts manned (at least we do in tier 1), so we shouldn’t attack gates any more?
Try building some counter siege to clear it out a bit.
You do realize that defenders can place AC’s so that they can hit a door but cannot not be hit by ANY attacking siege. This plus the damage boost means gate attacks with rams and golems get utterly decimated.
If its a well manned keep, you cant expect to ram it down right in front of them, of course you have to siege from afar.
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Only an idiot would rush a gate with rams or golems which has multiple arrow carts being manned.
QFT. Yesterday I was in an SoR rush to take Hills. 30+ golems. 5 arrow carts took almost all of them all down.
No one even bothered with the arrow carts. They just thought the golems were enough in number that they could bust down both gates before they all died. The element of surprise was also lost minutes before the attack. For the entire fight I was just facepalming my desk.
Only an idiot would rush a gate with rams or golems which has multiple arrow carts being manned.
QFT. Yesterday I was in an SoR rush to take Hills. 30+ golems. 5 arrow carts took almost all of them all down.
No one even bothered with the arrow carts. They just thought the golems were enough in number that they could bust down both gates before they all died. The element of surprise was also lost minutes before the attack. For the entire fight I was just facepalming my desk.
Only an idiot would rush a gate with rams or golems which has multiple arrow carts being manned.
QFT. Yesterday I was in an SoR rush to take Hills. 30+ golems. 5 arrow carts took almost all of them all down.
No one even bothered with the arrow carts. They just thought the golems were enough in number that they could bust down both gates before they all died. The element of surprise was also lost minutes before the attack. For the entire fight I was just facepalming my desk.
My issue with people saying “just take out the AC’s” is that there are spots where you can place AC’s in keeps such that they can hit people attacking you gates with ease, but they have NO chance to be able to hit you back (i.e. AC’s behind gates firing into the gates can hit the AoE damage through it, etc), or the fact you can bug your camera to see it. So, as long as AC’s aren’t “blocked” by things that would be in the arrow’s actual flight path, there will always be places to put AC’s such that they cant be counter sieged. In that case, there’s nothign you can do except try to go to another gate, or use trebs.
So I feel like with this update there will be more cata’s and trebs being seen to take down walls instead of rams/golems on gates, since there are many places to put Arrow carts where they cannot be hit, or near impossible to hit, with counter siege. (What I’ve never gotten is how can the Arrow cart fire around a corner, from outside a keep, into a hallway o.O)
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Darn, because of Arrow Carts they should just remove all siege, cause everyone knows that the new arrow cart makes them all worthless and then of course we should remove the keeps and towers because what is the point if we can’t get in them. So we should have just groups of zergs milling around. But of course we will have to remove all choke points or elevation because those darn arrow carts will destroy zergs. So everything should be flat. Yep the end result of Arrow Carts is going to be flat land with groups of people fighting each other.. hey maybe we can put each person on their own square and let them take turns moving from square to square.. man thanks to arrow carts I have come up with a new game……wait…what?
Golems should be removed from the game for different reasons.
Rams taking no damage from siege means arrow carts are useless again. 80 people can still drop 6 rams and blast a door down in record time by rotating in and out unless the arrow carts can also damage the ram.
Somethings gotta give. Hills was bad enough before, now it’s impossible against anyone who knows how to countersiege. Either change the keep, nerf the arrowcarts, or buff the rams.
Only an idiot would rush a gate with rams or golems which has multiple arrow carts being manned.
QFT. Yesterday I was in an SoR rush to take Hills. 30+ golems. 5 arrow carts took almost all of them all down.
No one even bothered with the arrow carts. They just thought the golems were enough in number that they could bust down both gates before they all died. The element of surprise was also lost minutes before the attack. For the entire fight I was just facepalming my desk.
Only an idiot would rush a gate with rams or golems which has multiple arrow carts being manned.
i would like to see you counter treb the arrow carts being placed at the lord room of the Hills..
Currently the way to beat it is to put an arrow cart out of visible range (from the inside) and just shoot it into the lord room. With the extra range this counter is now possible.
Arrow carts not in the back can be aoe’d through the walls.
Unfortunately it requires arrow carts to counter arrow carts, but pre-patch with leg specialist applying immob I could lock down a hills lord room and make it impenetrable.
You do realize that defenders can place AC’s so that they can hit a door but cannot not be hit by ANY attacking siege. This plus the damage boost means gate attacks with rams and golems get utterly decimated.
That’s not entirely correct. You can place rams really far away from the gate which makes them invulnerable to the Arrow Carts placed behind it.
You do realize that defenders can place AC’s so that they can hit a door but cannot not be hit by ANY attacking siege. This plus the damage boost means gate attacks with rams and golems get utterly decimated.
That’s not entirely correct. You can place rams really far away from the gate which makes them invulnerable to the Arrow Carts placed behind it.
Yeah cuz rams don’t need to be in melee range to hit at all.
You do realize that defenders can place AC’s so that they can hit a door but cannot not be hit by ANY attacking siege. This plus the damage boost means gate attacks with rams and golems get utterly decimated.
That’s not entirely correct. You can place rams really far away from the gate which makes them invulnerable to the Arrow Carts placed behind it.
Yeah cuz rams don’t need to be in melee range to hit at all.
Not really, no. The radius of their attack is quite large.
You do realize that defenders can place AC’s so that they can hit a door but cannot not be hit by ANY attacking siege. This plus the damage boost means gate attacks with rams and golems get utterly decimated.
That’s not entirely correct. You can place rams really far away from the gate which makes them invulnerable to the Arrow Carts placed behind it.
Yeah cuz rams don’t need to be in melee range to hit at all.
You do realize that defenders can place AC’s so that they can hit a door but cannot not be hit by ANY attacking siege. This plus the damage boost means gate attacks with rams and golems get utterly decimated.
That’s not entirely correct. You can place rams really far away from the gate which makes them invulnerable to the Arrow Carts placed behind it.
Yeah cuz rams don’t need to be in melee range to hit at all.
Not really, no. The radius of their attack is quite large.
Cuz if i place an AC exactly behind the wall slightly left or right from the gate opening i cannot target outside at all and be in complete los safety from attacks right ?
You do realize that defenders can place AC’s so that they can hit a door but cannot not be hit by ANY attacking siege. This plus the damage boost means gate attacks with rams and golems get utterly decimated.
That’s not entirely correct. You can place rams really far away from the gate which makes them invulnerable to the Arrow Carts placed behind it.
Yeah cuz rams don’t need to be in melee range to hit at all.
Not really, no. The radius of their attack is quite large.
Cuz if i place an AC exactly behind the wall slightly left or right from the gate opening i cannot target outside at all and be in complete los safety from attacks right ?
If you place it directly behind the gate you can be hit by enemy arrow carts and Dragon’s Tooth.
You guys are silly. Rams and Golems are just as useful as before! You just can’t run up to any gate and flash build them. Try building some counter siege to clear it out a bit. Over all the AC’s (even though I don’t fully agree with the damage) made people have to try for towers.
uhhh if you made catapults and trebs to counter ac’s why wouldn’t you just use those to open the wall?
You already made those.
You’d really waste more supply on a structure you’re already opening?
You guys are silly. Rams and Golems are just as useful as before! You just can’t run up to any gate and flash build them. Try building some counter siege to clear it out a bit. Over all the AC’s (even though I don’t fully agree with the damage) made people have to try for towers.
uhhh if you made catapults and trebs to counter ac’s why wouldn’t you just use those to open the wall?
You already made those.
You’d really waste more supply on a structure you’re already opening?
Time. Rams bring down a gate faster than trebs take down walls or doors.
You do realize that defenders can place AC’s so that they can hit a door but cannot not be hit by ANY attacking siege. This plus the damage boost means gate attacks with rams and golems get utterly decimated.
That’s not entirely correct. You can place rams really far away from the gate which makes them invulnerable to the Arrow Carts placed behind it.
Yeah cuz rams don’t need to be in melee range to hit at all.
Not really, no. The radius of their attack is quite large.
Cuz if i place an AC exactly behind the wall slightly left or right from the gate opening i cannot target outside at all and be in complete los safety from attacks right ?
If you place it directly behind the gate you can be hit by enemy arrow carts and Dragon’s Tooth.
Yes but IF you place an arrow cart NOT DIRECTLY BEHIND A GATE but covered by the wall,you can still clearly see and target outside especially if u are a norn,and your AC cannot be targeted by dragon’s tooth unless a zoomhack(cuz unable to click it).Also arrow carts that could target the same areat can be 1st nuked down by the AC inside,even before they get built.
Any of those tactics existed from the game’s laung so i really don’t understand what was the problem with defending prepatch.
Only an idiot would rush a gate with rams or golems which has multiple arrow carts being manned.
QFT. Yesterday I was in an SoR rush to take Hills. 30+ golems. 5 arrow carts took almost all of them all down.
No one even bothered with the arrow carts. They just thought the golems were enough in number that they could bust down both gates before they all died. The element of surprise was also lost minutes before the attack. For the entire fight I was just facepalming my desk.
You guys are silly. Rams and Golems are just as useful as before! You just can’t run up to any gate and flash build them. Try building some counter siege to clear it out a bit. Over all the AC’s (even though I don’t fully agree with the damage) made people have to try for towers.
uhhh if you made catapults and trebs to counter ac’s why wouldn’t you just use those to open the wall?
You already made those.
You’d really waste more supply on a structure you’re already opening?
If you have time to do so. Its common for the defending team to stack up and rush open field trebs and catas. Chances are your siege won’t be up long enough to take down the wall. Plus if its reinforced.
If a tower has 4+ AC’s and you build a counter treb, if your able to kill 4 of the AC’s with that one treb you have just killed more of there supply then it cost you to kill it. (assuming everything is regular siege, not Superior)
At that point your forcing them to use more of there supply. If you run them dry, they can’t build AC’s. Then your rams and golems are in the clear to hit the gate.
You do realize that defenders can place AC’s so that they can hit a door but cannot not be hit by ANY attacking siege. This plus the damage boost means gate attacks with rams and golems get utterly decimated.
That’s not entirely correct. You can place rams really far away from the gate which makes them invulnerable to the Arrow Carts placed behind it.
Yeah cuz rams don’t need to be in melee range to hit at all.
Not really, no. The radius of their attack is quite large.
Cuz if i place an AC exactly behind the wall slightly left or right from the gate opening i cannot target outside at all and be in complete los safety from attacks right ?
If you place it directly behind the gate you can be hit by enemy arrow carts and Dragon’s Tooth.
Yes but IF you place an arrow cart NOT DIRECTLY BEHIND A GATE but covered by the wall,you can still clearly see and target outside especially if u are a norn,and your AC cannot be targeted by dragon’s tooth unless a zoomhack(cuz unable to click it).Also arrow carts that could target the same areat can be 1st nuked down by the AC inside,even before they get built.
Any of those tactics existed from the game’s laung so i really don’t understand what was the problem with defending prepatch.
Not really. If you place them too far away to the side you won’t be able to hit over the gate. Dragon’s Tooth doesn’t need you to target the Arrow Cart. Any player within the same area as it will do.
The solution here is to simply return the old damage done by the AC’s. That way all is good. ( part of aranet)
Creative siege placements – Anti AC trebs/cata/ACs. (part of player to actually think how to solve this).
Simply because every player wants to be OP in this game and wants to win; they wouldn’t want to have to work it out smartly.
Then again, because this is a fantasy game, reality be gone please.
This game because a good simulation of what a real war is. But that isn’t fun. It’s for the hardcore strategist now, not the casual player.
A good way to rebel against this is to simply ignore the game points and run as a very big zerg killing everything and anything till you fall into a tier that reflects the game you like.
Ignore the scores, just zerg each other’s spawn points.
Only an idiot would rush a gate with rams or golems which has multiple arrow carts being manned.
QFT. Yesterday I was in an SoR rush to take Hills. 30+ golems. 5 arrow carts took almost all of them all down.
No one even bothered with the arrow carts. They just thought the golems were enough in number that they could bust down both gates before they all died. The element of surprise was also lost minutes before the attack. For the entire fight I was just facepalming my desk.
So basically SoR just zerged up like usual but with golems instead of people. Scouted 5 minutes before the attack and they thought they should have just walked over and taken hills with no resistance. They knew we had that place sieged up because they were trying to take it for many hours and still tried to zerg Golems. Regardless of the AC change, that sounds like a fault in their tactics. They still wrecked the outer door in under 15 seconds.
They are supposed to golem rush when its undefended. Not when you know there is 40 enemies in there with a ton of siege.
edit: Was informed I misread your post and you weren’t complaining about the failed golem rush but actually laughing at the stupidity of that golem rush. My bad, I have edited my post.
Only an idiot would rush a gate with rams or golems which has multiple arrow carts being manned.
QFT. Yesterday I was in an SoR rush to take Hills. 30+ golems. 5 arrow carts took almost all of them all down.
No one even bothered with the arrow carts. They just thought the golems were enough in number that they could bust down both gates before they all died. The element of surprise was also lost minutes before the attack. For the entire fight I was just facepalming my desk.
The dude just called you an idiot and you agreed with him?
So basically SoR just zerged up like usual, instead of people though, they zerg balled 30 golems and failed? You tried to zergball golems and got wrecked. You were scouted 5 minutes before the attack and you think you should have just walked over and taken hills with no resistance? You guys knew we had that place sieged up and you still tried to zergball Golems? That isn’t a fault of the AC change but a fault in your zergball tactics. You still wrecked the outer door in under 15 seconds.
It really is a great demonstration of how the tactical solutions of zergballers begins and ends with “get a bigger zerg”.
Only an idiot would rush a gate with rams or golems which has multiple arrow carts being manned.
QFT. Yesterday I was in an SoR rush to take Hills. 30+ golems. 5 arrow carts took almost all of them all down.
No one even bothered with the arrow carts. They just thought the golems were enough in number that they could bust down both gates before they all died. The element of surprise was also lost minutes before the attack. For the entire fight I was just facepalming my desk.
The dude just called you an idiot and you agreed with him?
So basically SoR just zerged up like usual, instead of people though, they zerg balled 30 golems and failed? You tried to zergball golems and got wrecked. You were scouted 5 minutes before the attack and you think you should have just walked over and taken hills with no resistance? You guys knew we had that place sieged up and you still tried to zergball Golems? That isn’t a fault of the AC change but a fault in your zergball tactics. You still wrecked the outer door in under 15 seconds.
@Heijincks.9267 I was part of the group that BL hopped to help out hills. From what I heard, the only reason you didn’t take hills was because a string of bad portals dropped your golems in bad areas and they ended up having to run up half the stairs, getting rained on by AC’s.
Only an idiot would rush a gate with rams or golems which has multiple arrow carts being manned.
QFT. Yesterday I was in an SoR rush to take Hills. 30+ golems. 5 arrow carts took almost all of them all down.
No one even bothered with the arrow carts. They just thought the golems were enough in number that they could bust down both gates before they all died. The element of surprise was also lost minutes before the attack. For the entire fight I was just facepalming my desk.
The dude just called you an idiot and you agreed with him?
So basically SoR just zerged up like usual, instead of people though, they zerg balled 30 golems and failed? You tried to zergball golems and got wrecked. You were scouted 5 minutes before the attack and you think you should have just walked over and taken hills with no resistance? You guys knew we had that place sieged up and you still tried to zergball Golems? That isn’t a fault of the AC change but a fault in your zergball tactics. You still wrecked the outer door in under 15 seconds.
@Heijincks.9267 I was part of the group that BL hopped to help out hills. From what I heard, the only reason you didn’t take hills was because a string of bad portals dropped your golems in bad areas and they ended up having to run up half the stairs, getting rained on by AC’s.
I misunderstood his post! He was actually poking fun at the stupidity of that golem rush. Not complaining that it failed.
Only an idiot would rush a gate with rams or golems which has multiple arrow carts being manned.
QFT. Yesterday I was in an SoR rush to take Hills. 30+ golems. 5 arrow carts took almost all of them all down.
No one even bothered with the arrow carts. They just thought the golems were enough in number that they could bust down both gates before they all died. The element of surprise was also lost minutes before the attack. For the entire fight I was just facepalming my desk.
The dude just called you an idiot and you agreed with him?
So basically SoR just zerged up like usual, instead of people though, they zerg balled 30 golems and failed? You tried to zergball golems and got wrecked. You were scouted 5 minutes before the attack and you think you should have just walked over and taken hills with no resistance? You guys knew we had that place sieged up and you still tried to zergball Golems? That isn’t a fault of the AC change but a fault in your zergball tactics. You still wrecked the outer door in under 15 seconds.
@Heijincks.9267 I was part of the group that BL hopped to help out hills. From what I heard, the only reason you didn’t take hills was because a string of bad portals dropped your golems in bad areas and they ended up having to run up half the stairs, getting rained on by AC’s.
I misunderstood his post! He was actually poking fun at the stupidity of that golem rush. Not complaining that it failed.
Ah, Then I misunderstood as well! It was close, SoR had inner down to 50% before we were able to get there. If they would have had some clean portals right to the gate, they could have easily been on the lord or at least have inner down.
It’s for the hardcore strategist now, not the casual player.