Guild Wars 2

Due the free transfers closure on 28.01.13, a lot of players and guilds are wondering which server to move and, of course, if move. Well, if you are a WvWvW player or you have a WvWvW focused guild, we are talking to you!
- Do you play in a low-level server that doesn’t has enough WvWvW players to get the next tier?
- Do you play on a server that could eventually be closed and merged with another server?
- Do you play on the server that doesn’t have, or give, what you expected from WvWvW?
- Do you spend hours desperately looking for new players to help your WvWvW guild and find that there just isn’t enough players to compete in WvWvW.
- Are bored with the game, are looking for a new challenge under the creation of a united and stable WvWvW community.
- If you can’t not get the co-operation you would like with the other guilds on your server.
- Are you tired of a server full of PvE players and guilds and borderlands are chronically under populated against your enemies? we know what you mean! If you have answered any of those questions “Yes” then we have a great news for you!
You don’t need to move on a NA server or die your server, everything you need for war is here on ‘Ruins of Surmia’ and you have the opportunity to be part of it now, from the roots, from its rebirth and collaborate in the creation of this great WvWvW focused community.
Why should I move to a server that is located in tier 9?
- If you are a WvWvW focused played, you will understand the scale of this challenge, the project is to build a WvWvW focused community, being around like-minded players will give you the urge to play WvWvW with your comrades, instead of spending countless hours seeking help from PvE focused players, playing at unreasonable hours to try and ninja those unguarded keeps and towers.
- You have the opportunity to help create history, you can be part of history! Don’t sit on the sidelines and let everyone else take the glory and satisfaction!
- Because 80% of BRA guilds was part of the alliance that brought Blacktide from 12th position to 1st and won four times consecutively the rematches and without cover time from 01:00 am to 04:00 am. We know what we do, do it with us.
- Because the Original Ones have never gave up across this months. They are natural born warriors.
- With our presence and the collaboration of the native guilds, Surmia will get tier 8 next week. We know how much painful is fight against doors and ghost enemies, but will be for a short time, the sacrifice can bring us far away.
- Because it’s still a virgin server and can be shaped by the experience gained in server densely populated and war scenarios particularly active.
- In order to not make the same mistakes, to do better and provide a small paradise of war to those like us, focuses mainly on WvWvW.
Who we are?
We are the original Project Blacktide Alliance, that moved to Surmia around 2 weeks ago and now been reborn under the name of ‘Bloody Retribution’. During this transfer we left the majority of Blacktide PvE players and brought with us just the most WvWvW focused guildies. Here on Surmia we met the Original Ones, and now under the Surmia War Government we fight.
What are the BRA guilds?
[BC] Bananas and Cookies
[BT] Black Templars <—- they r ugly, bad and strongly hostile to pve players
[EA] Elite
[HP] Health Potion
[PG] Pirate Gaming
[RN] Guild Redemption
[TH] Thian
[TSL] The Saint Legend
[XT] Xeno Tavern
[WIC] War Inc. HD Recruiting Video <—- they r ugly, bad and strongly hostile to pve players
What are the Original Ones guilds?
[GoA] Guardians Of Arcane
[INC] Inconclusive
[DEX] Deus Ex Machina
[FA] Flamma Algor
[OwA] Theonewingedangel
[DiM] Dimentia Reflux
[CVR] Convento De Viva La Revolotion
[MR] Mint Rubbing
[SP] Surmian Pride
What we offer:
1. We offer what Guildwars 2 has not been able to do, a WvWvW focused server.
2. The minimum number of PvE focused players that servers currently offer in Europe.
3. A lot of WvWvW guilds around Europe, hardcore and semi hardcore with a past that goes through the best games of PvP competition.
4. Combat experience, team spirit, square balls and a huge amount of experience about WvWvW mechanics.
5. Internal communication system to co-ordinate our players.
6. Co-operation, a friendly environment and guilds that know how to make and win war!
Contacts:
Referent for Polish:
Mawgan.1689
Referent for Italian:
Niadon.9270
Referent for British/American:
Danneh.8520
Referent for French:
Lyrielle.8047
Referent for Dutch:
Arathor.7419
Original Ones contacts:
Referent for Germans:
Nojas.8209
Referent for Originals:
Ilesyt.7084
Sajuuk.6420

And Before you guys start bashing on em again, I’m the leader of [DEX] and this has my seal of approval :p

Ilesyt.7084:

And Before you guys start bashing on em again, I’m the leader of [DEX] and this has my seal of approval :p

And you nitpicked at Xaoc joining GH oO

Good luck, RoS, we’ll see you rising up quickly soon enough.

I lead [PG], only ever had good times being apart of this alliance from day 1 – on the battlefield and off! Great bunch of like minded people, really looking forward to Tiering up and doing our best for RoS!

We’re trying to create server based on WvW players and guilds, so also all solo, guild-free guys are highly welcomed in our army!
hardcore/semi-hardcore guilds – contact us by referents.
From our side you can expect high level of communication, forbearance for unexperienced players and tactical thinking. This week RoS is moving to tier 8 and probably won’t stay there for a long time. It’s perfect time to join and create something fresh on high level.
See you on battlefield!

So not content with utterly dominating T9 (Gratz btw!) already, you are wishing to draw even more guilds in. Creating an alliance clearly intended with the purpose of reaching T1…. from T9.

Also known as, the single longest possible steamroll while you move from one end of the ladder to the other. I hope you like spawn camping.

drkn.3429:

Ilesyt.7084:

And Before you guys start bashing on em again, I’m the leader of [DEX] and this has my seal of approval :p

And you nitpicked at Xaoc joining GH oO

Good luck, RoS, we’ll see you rising up quickly soon enough.

I “nitpicked” (not the right word here btw) because they joined GH after having joined Vabbi and lost.

Oh and freyn we don’t have as many people you think we have, with the transfers of Xaoc, GH probably has more and we’re not looking to go to Tier 1, Looking to stabilize around 5.

Who said anything about T1? T1 isn’t that fun after all. Been there, done that. Check other topics on these very forums.

As for the rest – it’s been said dozens of times. I’m not really in the mood to say it again.

Just wondering if you guy’s wont be bored by the time you reach a challenge in mid tier, maybe in a month or so.
All that steamrolling must be pretty annoying when you’re a (semi) hardcore wvw guild.

Our main goal is to create WvW community, not to reach t1 as soon as possible(if we’ll be strong enough, it will come by itself, but it isn’t our priority at all). Most of us achieved everything what is possible to achieve in this game. Now we’re focused on making good battles, entertaining and high-level matches.
We’re not proud at all because of dominating t9, rather we’re sorry for Vabbi and FoW servers because they became victims of our war vs russian [Xaoc]. They lost, they moved looking for easier way to victory, but also messed around in last tier.

Ilesyt.7084:

Oh and freyn we don’t have as many people you think we have, with the transfers of Xaoc, GH probably has more and we’re not looking to go to Tier 1, Looking to stabilize around 5.

Xaoc are pretty much holding 650~ points on their own, without any interference from rest of GH, yet they could not get more than about 15 points against your existing alliance. What does that tell you?

Regardless of where you intend to end up, every single extra guild that is brought into this will increase the amount of time you spend in a dominating matchup.. the same dominating matchups you yourself have been desperate to escape from for the past 2 months. This is the exact same reason I have disagreed with the suggestions for [NP] to join GH in that thread too.

I probably wouldn’t normally even say a word in this thread, as I’ve had enough of your boasting around the forums for me to want to even get involved.. but what can I say, I’m rather cynical atm after the most boring week I’ve had since being on RoS.

Devitz.2136:

We’re not proud at all because of dominating t9, rather we’re sorry for Vabbi and FoW servers because they became victims of our war vs russian [Xaoc]. They lost, they moved looking for easier way to victory, but also messed around in last tier.

They messed around no more in the bottom tier than you are :P Although your comment does sound like you only moved there TO fight them, I am under the impression from other threads that that isn’t accurate.

Now, those of you coming from blacktide I have certainly not seen any mentions of ‘proud to dominate T9’, so that’s not directed at you It is more directed at those previously on Surmia who seem incapable of not rubbing everyone’s faces in their victory, despite not really doing anything towards it themselves.

I just can’t imagine being on a server that will be on 500/600+ points for many weeks.
I already get bored when my server (fsp) hits around 400+ and that only happens for a few hours.

Neandramathal.9536:

So not content with utterly dominating T9 (Gratz btw!) already, you are wishing to draw even more guilds in. Creating an alliance clearly intended with the purpose of reaching T1…. from T9.

Not at all. As we have said in 3 different threads, as I said on GH mumble, as I said in a lot of posts, so many that I hope this is the last one,we don’t care nothing about tier 1, nothing.
What interest us is build a WvWvW community to prevent what is happened us on Blacktide, in other terms a server with more pve players than wvwvw players.

Neandramathal.9536:

Xaoc are pretty much holding 650~ points on their own, without any interference from rest of GH, yet they could not get more than about 15 points against your existing alliance. What does that tell you?

Let’s Analyze Xaoc and What happened in vabbi and What is happening in GH:

A typical Xaoc day starts with the early morning zerg 4-5 AM CET to around 8 and then their numbles dwindle. During this time they will literally take everything (which they did with us).
Then they wouldn’t have many people till around 2 PM and their numbers would keep rising till 7 PM and then suddenly drop to their night watch at around 9 PM.

Implement that into vabbi:
Their morning zerg would come on, take everything upgrade it to oblivion and then go woff letting the normal vabbians defend We would come on retake things with heavy resistance. But we outmanned them and attacking from all sides we retook things. Until the Xaoc primetime where they would start pushing us again, During that time we would be going back and forth, sometimes even being pushed back quite a bit. But we persevered and they would go to sleep and we would retake a lot of stuff. But you shouldn’t underestimate their nightshift. But their problem was that it was still our prime time and if managed to push them away from their own BL we would retake everything. After that it was only fighting against FoW and their night zerg.
Then would come a new day and repeat.

In this situation Vabbi lost a lot of points during the night. If you don’t count the points at night We would have a very close win. of maybe 5k difference.

If you implement that into GH: Xaoc Morning Zerg > GH Original morning zerg > Xaoc primetime > GH primetime > Nightshift of Xaoc+GH > Xaoc morning zerg.

Your day starts with xaoc taking everything and upgrading it and the originals can then defend it.
You shouldn’t forget you were already winning against RoF and their morale was already low and I believe them when they say that you had more people than them lately, because I’ve seen how many people you can have.

^-^hehe Very funny that everyone believes we’r going to make a Tier 1 server on Surmia
Whats soo wrong of wanting to stick with u Allys and play together with them? ^-^
And whats soo wrong of wanting to make our new server stronger by inv other ppl to join us? And also getting the guild who first wants to join blacktide but cant coz the server was full??

But nonono We’r the bad guy, coz we server hopping, though it was what Anet probably wanted us to do ^-^

And btw i do remember GH dudes was flaming Xaoc really hardcore on moving to vabbi, just soo fun to see them ’’defending’’ Xaoc now xD hehehe^-^
Oh wait maybe i was blind, yes that must have been it, coz yestedays flame turns to todays love soo fast But then again, love is better then hatred

@Niadon
I/we going to Banana Zerg u if u get our guild name wrong again xD
it’s ‘’Banana And Cookies [BC]’’ :P
(curse u Lyr for the guild name, and dont u dear blame it on me again xD)
Love u guys
Lots of Love Jucha – Harmless Banana xD

Za Playing Nurse.6329:

And btw i do remember GH dudes was flaming Xaoc really hardcore on moving to vabbi, just soo fun to see them ’’defending’’ Xaoc now xD hehehe^-^
Oh wait maybe i was blind, yes that must have been it, coz yestedays flame turns to todays love soo fast But then again, love is better then hatred

If this is directed at me, I was opposed to Xaoc being there and still am, I have made posts as such as well.

Ironvos.9014:

I just can’t imagine being on a server that will be on 500/600+ points for many weeks.
I already get bored when my server (fsp) hits around 400+ and that only happens for a few hours.

Ironvos.9014:

Just wondering if you guy’s wont be bored by the time you reach a challenge in mid tier, maybe in a month or so.
All that steamrolling must be pretty annoying when you’re a (semi) hardcore wvw guild.

Of course it is boring. We’re actually even less online than usually because there’s close to nothing to do on WWW. We seen this coming, and I among with many others decided that it’s worth it. If we actually help to create the community we would like to play with (and it really seems like one, it’s not often that you find “randoms” who can actually use focus on ele to defend siege) – we’ll play the game for months if not years.

On a side note, FoW made a very nice attempt yesterday with 4 or 5 omega golems, quite a zerg and fast map switching. This is what we hope to find in mid tiers, because that was awesome. T1 isn’t.

Well, I’m happy for you guys. Finally got that extra influx of WvW players that will help you climb out of the bottom and try your luck against tougher foes. Maybe I’ll even get to fight you sometime:) Good luck RoS.

For those wondering romanian players we have a nice little guild there, in the original guilds section, i’m sure you’ll spot it. We’re heavy wvw orientated, we have voice and we accept mature players with same interests.

Other then this “no more free transfers” recruitment frenzy, from the perspective of an “original” player the changes on RoS look good and we will have interesting times ahead.

As much as this may surprise some people, I totally agree with Neandramathal. The only people shouting, boasting and happy about the current situation on RoS are the glory hunting “Look at me I am so awesome” people who cannot take any form of criticism. To want to further unbalance servers beyond the damage that has already been done is just greedy and makes for a very dull experience for 3 servers at a time, whatever tier that happens to be. The fact that all this happened just as the lower tiers were finally starting to balance adds insult to injury. I have been biding my time to see what would happen on RoS, but now I see that I will not be happy here anymore and will look into moving to another server before 28th Jan.
Good luck to all.

There are 2 kinds of people;
People who stick with their server trough better and worse, and people who leave once it doesn’t go as they want it, whether that be stomping or getting stomped.
I’ve been on Surmia for a long time. Problem was, specially the last few months, we never fitted in. We’d either win easily in T9 or lose badly in T8, there is just too big a gap there.
I’ve hoped for a long time we’d just get some transfers in so we could stay in T8 because honestly, those matchups are awesome. But it never happened, infact, more and more people were leaving.
Then Xaoc moved to vabbi and all seemed lost, we’d lose too many points and would never tier up again. Until we got an alliance transferred as well! And managed to fight back!
So yes, these tiers are now unbalanced, but they’ll balance themselves out in time.
I’ll keep fighting for Surmia no matter who comes or goes in our server!

Thank you dude:D

Brainless zergs for months and WvWvW being over for the week one hour after reset!! Good luck with that

Ray.2640:

There are 2 kinds of people;
People who stick with their server trough better and worse, and people who leave once it doesn’t go as they want it, whether that be stomping or getting stomped.

Do you realise that you are unsulting most of your own server? They didn’t like how it went down on their server (or tier, whatever) and they left.

I’m from Underworld, and when people say that they don’t like the way it’s going down on my server and they suggest to move, I say “go!”. Why? Because when they don’t love the server, don’t give their very best to improve the server, then I don’t need them. The only thing they do is destroy the moral. They can go and complain on some other server, where the grass is greener. On this last point we probably are the same.

I know what you are going to say, they did like the server, but they didn’t like the tier. They can’t change tiers so they had no other choice. that’s incorrect. If I played on the server they came from and I didn’t like they way it went on that tier, I would be just happy when other people left, even if I considered them my friends for months. That way you would drop tier automatically, mission accomplished Look at Far Shiverpeaks, I’m sure the people who stayed don’t regret their decision.

The only thing the server hoppers do is destroy all the tier balance (which took months to get) and make a steamroll train which drains all the fun for all the other servers in the low tiers. And they claim they don’t even like it either! so, who wins here?

I’m not here to be a jerk, nor to troll or cause tumult. This is just my honest opinion and I know a lot of people agree with me.

@LameTerror: Ray didn’t insult anyone. He stated that there are two types of ppl, that’s all. People are entitled to go wherever they want for the sake of having more fun, because its a game and that’s what it should be about.

That being said, I have never been around so many people EAGER to go in wvw as I am right now. Everyone is dying to tier up and have good fights and as boring as it is right, we still go to wvw just because we feel that’s where we belong. If there’s nothing to do, you will find the most hilarious jokes and stories in our Team chat.

Also, I want to mention that the Bloody Retribution Alliance is formed from great and very understanding players. They are always open to suggestions and criticism, and are very polite. In fact [RN], which is part of the allience, is a Surmian guild in the first place.

@Freyn: I don’t see any of us boasting. In fact if anything people were complaining about it being boring atm. But it has to be done before we face stronger opponents. Also, the “most boring week” you mentioned was when we went against Dzg and GH and we were in no way going to hold against them. The week after was the one where you transferred to GH without a word. I don’t want to go into details but you out of all the people should have had good times in RoS as well as the bad ones. You chose to move because you saw no future in RoS, which is completely understandable, but now there is.

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http://ruinsofsurmia.enjin.com/forum

Pies AND cakes for everyone.

itsmee.7536:

@Freyn: I don’t see any of us boasting. In fact if anything people were complaining about it being boring atm. But it has to be done before we face stronger opponents. Also, the “most boring week” you mentioned was when we went against Dzg and GH and we were in no way going to hold against them. The week after was the one where you transferred to GH without a word. I don’t want to go into details but you out of all the people should have had good times in RoS as well as the bad ones. You chose to move because you saw no future in RoS, which is completely understandable, but now there is.

Boasting: Your shoutbox is full of it, but the official forums are covered in posts by Elnor.

Our guild quite enjoyed the week vs Dzg/GH, we had plenty of fun and had plenty to do. The weeks vs FoW/Vabbi where we owned 90% of the map were the boring ones simply for lack of any fights.

We didn’t leave because of lack of future, we left because we were fed up of people not even trying.

The rest, I shall reserve for PM rather than creating further drama here.

Neandramathal.9536:

itsmee.7536:

@Freyn: I don’t see any of us boasting. In fact if anything people were complaining about it being boring atm. But it has to be done before we face stronger opponents. Also, the “most boring week” you mentioned was when we went against Dzg and GH and we were in no way going to hold against them. The week after was the one where you transferred to GH without a word. I don’t want to go into details but you out of all the people should have had good times in RoS as well as the bad ones. You chose to move because you saw no future in RoS, which is completely understandable, but now there is.

Boasting: Your shoutbox is full of it, but the official forums are covered in posts by Elnor.

Our guild quite enjoyed the week vs Dzg/GH, we had plenty of fun and had plenty to do. The weeks vs FoW/Vabbi where we owned 90% of the map were the boring ones simply for lack of any fights.

We didn’t leave because of lack of future, we left because we were fed up of people not even trying.

The rest, I shall reserve for PM rather than creating further drama here.

Thank you for keeping it in the PM.

On topic, I forgot to mention, we still don’t have ques except that one time on reset when FoW took SM. So don’t think you will be waiting for hours if you wanted to hop on wvw with your guildies.

Neandramathal.9536:

itsmee.7536:

@Freyn: I don’t see any of us boasting. In fact if anything people were complaining about it being boring atm. But it has to be done before we face stronger opponents. Also, the “most boring week” you mentioned was when we went against Dzg and GH and we were in no way going to hold against them. The week after was the one where you transferred to GH without a word. I don’t want to go into details but you out of all the people should have had good times in RoS as well as the bad ones. You chose to move because you saw no future in RoS, which is completely understandable, but now there is.

Boasting: Your shoutbox is full of it, but the official forums are covered in posts by Elnor.

Our guild quite enjoyed the week vs Dzg/GH, we had plenty of fun and had plenty to do. The weeks vs FoW/Vabbi where we owned 90% of the map were the boring ones simply for lack of any fights.

We didn’t leave because of lack of future, we left because we were fed up of people not even trying.

The rest, I shall reserve for PM rather than creating further drama here.

Maybe you suffer from selective reading, The boasting that has happened because we had an epic matchup against Xaoc and we won, there’s been no boasting about the current week >_>
Since you’ve transfered, you don’t know how awesome last week actually was, it was literally one of the fights RoS actually has ever had and we have to thank the Bloody retribution for that and Xaoc who transfered to Vabbi back then. I was disappointed to see they went to Vabbi, they could’ve done good for vabbi if they had stuck with it.

That same way I could accuse you of bandwaggoning to GH.

Guys let’s keep this thread about the recruitment for RoS, anything else should go to PM.

Good luck Xaoc, good luck imp, and good luck GH.

Hi guys,

can you please post this information in new created topic:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/EU-Servers-last-minute-transfers-WvW/first#post1279686

I’m trying get compact information with few servers in one place. Thx

You have enough numbers and zergs to completely dominated the next few tiers and make WvW a wasteland in all of them yet you still want more people?
I honestly think that after you have been in unbalanced matchups for 2 months you will be getting stomped by any server who can match your numbers as half of your guys will probably not know what to do if there are suddenly enemies fighting them back, you want a pure WvW serverd yet the only thing you will attract with all these recruiting topics and that Deus guy or w/e boasting about his server all the time is Pve’rs that want crafting bonus and map completion. Pure WvW guilds don’t want to wait two months for a matchup that is slightly balanced. I honestly can’t see how a decidacted WvW alliance would even want to have no action what so ever in over two months. Just seems you’d rather want the easy wins.

Krosan.2890:

You have enough numbers and zergs to completely dominated the next few tiers and make WvW a wasteland in all of them yet you still want more people?
I honestly think that after you have been in unbalanced matchups for 2 months you will be getting stomped by any server who can match your numbers as half of your guys will probably not know what to do if there are suddenly enemies fighting them back, you want a pure WvW serverd yet the only thing you will attract with all these recruiting topics and that Deus guy or w/e boasting about his server all the time is Pve’rs that want crafting bonus and map completion. Pure WvW guilds don’t want to wait two months for a matchup that is slightly balanced. I honestly can’t see how a decidacted WvW alliance would even want to have no action what so ever in over two months. Just seems you’d rather want the easy wins.

yam yam, it’s always incredible how many players speak just for sport. You can give your opinion, but you shouldn’t say what we are, is a judgment and personally I do not like to be judged by the first one, especially when I don’t know which server he comes which guild and its primary target.

We know what we have, you no.
We know where we come and what we have passed. You no, also if you could.
We know our guys, you no. So stop to say how they are.
What you think is your, but pls share it with a minimum of knowledge of the circumstances.
What a WvWvW player is play on a server like Seafarer Rest, where the amount of population is unbalanced for WvWvW players, may the gods of Tyria protect the guys from PvE hordes.
Unfortunately there are too much WvWvW players for all of us, there’s no match to join a tier 1 server and fighting almost always against the same servers, in the equal measure that join a tier 9, but as I said, we know what we have, you no:D and it’s funny because you will continue to share your baseless judgments.

But I have to give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, you can’t see how a dedicated WvW alliance would even want to have no action what so ever in over two months. It’s right, you can’t see because you are out of all your discussion:D

There’s a beautiful world out there, enjoy the WvWvW.

I love you too <3 :*

I have no idea what you are trying to say to me to be honest.

Don’t judge about that which you don’t know enough about, basically. We Surmians know like no other what it’s like to have the odds against us heavily. Don’t assume that we don’t know what resistance is, we’ve been giving it for ages ourselves.

Pretty funny considering the guy posted is one of the new guys so he doesn’t really know what its like…
And you can say I don’t know what the situation in your server is and that is true. But its basically a stone cold fact that whole alliance joined RoS as a “wvw group” only to spend two months on 650+ ticks and outnumbering everyone. Most WvW guilds would shiver at that possibility and it surprises me others seem to embrace spending two months not doing the very thing they focus on as a guild.

I must admit i dislike this also, FS havn´t offical recruited, we did our own thing after loosing majority of our WvW guilds and alliances. and slowly pulled it together. now we can look forward to a pubstomp from RoS for 2-3 weeks when you enter our tier.. The idea is absurd, you might been low pop but 1 WvW guild would been more then enough..
GH and RoS is just taking it so far with recruitment lately. Play WvW,Its not winning when you kitten them 3 to 1. Think about any team based sport like soccer, how interestring would it be and fun if it was 3 to 1 ratio on the field?..

What if I said that we are around Dzagonur’s level, or even slightly lower, do you think we would still roflstomp you ?
And that if we wish to aim 5th tier we’ll need more help, but we shouldn’t even think of going up that high because we will roflstomp you for a week or 2.
Do we not have the right to wish for our WvW to be epic ?

Did you know that it wasn’t Far shiverpeaks who was hit with the first exodus of the guilds but it was RoS but that we didn’t make as big deal out of it by posting it on the forums ? We silently tried our best to keep our WvW together to not let it drop to the last spot. Our total population (until Vabbi got less) was the lowest of all servers(meaning PvE and WvW’rs combined), FoW would hit high sometimes.
The few commanders we had would play all day, sacrificing our time to not let our WvW drop, because believe me, there weren’t many people in WvW at all, the likes YOU have not seen, yes I also mean when you started dropping you still had more people in WvW than we had.
But then Vabbi’s Russian alliance transfered to Piken Square and other places. We got first place and thanks to that in our tier. And at time our population was second lowest. And by even more effort we were able to tier up to just be roflstomped back down by UW. And when were in the lower tier, we would roflstomp them.
We were stuck in a limbo between 8th and 9th tier. Our morale dropped more and more and one of our guilds (small scale but still put in a lot of effort) to Gunnar’s Hold. More people transfered off.
And then we suddenly got transfers, and now we got hopes to have a stable WvW.
We try to go to Tier 5 where we can get a bit of both. But here you are saying negative things about it, I know you won’t congratulate us. But I hope you see the hypocrisy in it that had you gotten them transfers yourselfs you would’ve been happy too.
I know we will roflstomp you for a few weeks and I’m sorry for that.

And please, do make an alliance with the other server against us, we even hope you do because we don’t really want another boring week.

Thank you for your input TryGoogle, but let me just clarify that you’re overestimating our current size. We do not outnumber GH for example and in fact believe we will be outnumbered by them. If not then we’re on the same level of population at best. This will become more clear in tier8-7, and only time can prove what I’m saying.

Krosan.2890:

I honestly can’t see how a decidacted WvW alliance would even want to have no action what so ever in over two months. Just seems you’d rather want the easy wins.

We could jump to Piken before everyone else did, with RG who were at that time one of the guilds that built BT. We could go to SFR, as I’ve seen they’re getting hit by Vizu (nothing new there tbh, been over the same) and saw somewhere they’re recruitement offers. We could choose many other servers to not wait “2 months”.

You would call us bandwagoners then.

We could also jump to a lower tier server, trying to build what we want from the game, asking people already there whether they like it or not. It didn’t have to be Ros, could be any lower tier. If we jumped to FS or UW that wouldn’t matter. Why?

Because this solution, “we’re looking for the easy wins and roflstomping everything”.

So what do we do? As you see what happens to BT, we really had noone to cooperate with, nobody to stand on the battlefield with. And had a “full” server which made it impossible to do anything besides changing it.

And as I see from many of you – changing server is bad. Doesn’t matter what would we decide, it has to be bad. Why? Because its’s bad.

Sorry if I can’t understand it but if I would have to choose either being bandwagoners or roflstompers in your opinion, then I wouldn’t really consider your opinion relevant. I still have hopes that there’s more to it than just a random trolling. Would gladly hear it.

EDIT: Just checked Piken thread, found an amazing post there that adds here a bit. I’ll quote it here:

Wamgor.9347:

There is going to be do much drama on my server this week, because of selfish idiots moving to a server with ques issues because they assume its med pop theres plenty of room without checking the forums, or even contacting the wvw community… the population of server has no reference to the active WvW population… People have been warned and yet still want to come join, and if everyone has that same idea those ques will become twice as long… or core guilds who built the community up will leave to another server because of score obesssed guilds/players…

That dont for one second think, hey lets join a lower tier server and build up a community… no they would rather do the easy and stupid thing, lets join a esatablished and overflowing community and maybe perhaps destroy it…

(…)

There are so many other decent servers around actively recruiting… that i just dont get it why you dont chose them… I see people building communities left right and centre and they have space…

(…)

So why are people joining the server not recruiting… when they obviously didnt come for the wvw community, as they didnt contact it before hand… so they came here for space to play as a guild? there is no space to play…

Its just a shambles of the Free xfers still killing communities because of guilds with that attitude. It will be a shame to see any Piken original leave and be replaced by people like that, Piken will not be Piken anymore.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Piken-Square-WvW-is-FULL/page/2#post1280003

EDIT2: Actually, I’d gladly welcome any Piken WWW guilds that want to try creating something serious, once again. I’ve been in the same situation, then been in the one when all bandwagoners quit www and make your server implode because one or two guilds quit due to queues. No matter your choice, I wish you the best.

Could not said it better then Ilesyt. For those commenting out of the lowest tire, you just cannot imagine how sparsely populated Vabbi and FoW are in terms of wvw, and that’s why the current matchup looks like this. Once we tire up you will see we’re not that many.

RoS began with a long history of being badly outnumbered and desperate battles, and this time we finally have a healthy wvw population, so don’t mistake healthy for massive. I have only encounter queue once for 2 minutes (yes, my first), and that was on a very situational map.

It is a good community, and if you will see us winning, it will not be the numbers, but organisation. A word on the guilds that joined us: yes, they are as good and as friendly as any server would hope to welcome, we were the lucky ones.

This topic is not about getting the numbers to roflstomp our way into the high tires, is an extended hand for people and guilds wvw orientated that look for a place to settle and call home. I don’t believe we’ll tire up more then twice, and i don’t think we’ll have much if any queue, but we’ll do great in wvw, it will be a good server to be in.

Leopoldina Balanuta.2871:

It is a good community, and if you will see us winning, it will not be the numbers, but organisation.

Ok yet another week or 3 fighting against a server who doesn’t want to admit they outnumber us but keep saying its their organisation that matters…

I’ll just give up as I give a pretty valid point in your powerhouse guilds joining a server only to be stuck tiering up with little opposition for over two months but all the replies you make are completely irrelevant to that point and you’ll just keep saying I’m trolling

As 28th is near i wish you all luck in the future with Project ROS. You have a courage, vision and power to make a ROS stable wvw server in upper middle tier and i hope you will have a lots of fun on that way.

Big salute to my friends!

:°( sigh… voo

Vabbi and RoS had low pop indeed, one guild could stabilize it. We saw DZ how they pubstomped everything, with a attuide of winning at any cost, GH is no matter. RoS might not be in same league but look how imbalance the Tiers got all of a sudden, going to take month(s) to stabilze it, there will be one winner every week and 2 losers for each tier.

And FS(atleast most of us) agreed we didnt want to actively recruit and end up dumping down like ´bandwagon´ servers does, DZ is taking a break or people left.

Point being i wish you the best luck, but i am bitter that you going to ruin the ´fun´ for a lot of server maybe even causing people to leave game after DZ,GH and now RoS.

FS will do their thing and we will keep trying our best despite the happening but as you say you plan on stabilze in what tier? and you are in what tier at the current moment?..

I felt bad how we were winning about UW every week, they number keep falling even. We were stuck in that tier for too long due to DZ. 5 weeks of beating UW had to take. .

It is not even that imbalanced at T8 right now.

Ilesyt.7084:

It is not even that imbalanced at T8 right now.

Not that Imbalanced .. its still not balanced.(i take it you mean T7)

But i will admit going a little overboard here, Sorry. GH also a good example as of such. Hope the bandwagon is over and we can start getting some stable server and tiers. instead of whats happening at the moment good luck to you RoS. but Look Tier 8, This is backfire of RoS getting transfer. Take care and stay safe.

Nope, T8. I’m not saying it’s perfectly balanced (it will never be). I’m saying it’s quite even. Personally, I don’t care about GH, I don’t have the need to fight Xaoc or anything. Blacktide will drop to t9, WR goes back to t8 and everyone has a balanced matchup. We would probably move to T7 then, but as I said, no matter the tier that’s quite a good place to fight for me.

I’d like to say i’m relieved to see RoS doesn’t steamroll over the T8 servers.
It was just impossible to guess your real strength from the T9 statistics cause a T6 or T1 server would get just the same scores there anyway.

Indeed, like I said GH has more people than us, atleast people will believe us now lol.

BUT we still need some transfer to cover some times, at the NA prime timezone for example, We had the outmanned buff there for a while :x

Ironvos.9014:

I’d like to say i’m relieved to see RoS doesn’t steamroll over the T8 servers.
It was just impossible to guess your real strength from the T9 statistics cause a T6 or T1 server would get just the same scores there anyway.

Thats not really a big deal since they are fighting UW not some tiny tier servers. GH and CoF had half the guilds UW did so could never move up, RoS has more than UW now but RoF is still the same so they cant steamroll us as easily as GH did to RoF in the same situation