Guild Wars 2

I think it’s not the first time I see that thread subject.

Titan.3472:

I think it’s not the first time I see that thread subject.

Yet

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Direwind.8409:

I’m sorry, its totally and utterly kittened, many times where I would have won a fight while downed ruined by the IWIN stealth stomp, it pretty much counter anything you might do to stop them stomping.

Stealth should be broken on any kittening action taken while in stealth, be it healing, attacking or stomping.

Stealth stomping is the most insanely stupid kitten I have ever seen in any mmo.

I Completely Agree with you OP and you are not Alone in this long childsih mechanism uphill battle.

Only children plays this game.

A Real Man will show himself in Honor in Killing you.

Not “hiding behind the bush” which Cowards, and Children do.

OP, nearly 1 Year to Guild Wars 2 Anniversary and this is what WvW is all about, to those Individuals who chooses to play games instead of Fighing Like Men.

In other word, some of us, including you and I Op are Sick and Tired of playing thier childlike games.

Unfortunately,

As the saying goes, ‘when i was a child, i behaved and Acted like a child, now that *I’m a Man, I have No uses for Childish Games*"

Unfortunately

Many choose to otherwise

You were downed and you really believe that you were going to win?

So, what do you do against invulnerability stomps then? Stealth stomps I can at least help my team mate, can’t do anything against invulnerability stomps.

Give it a rest already. You were downed, you lost.

Let’s just removed downed system. You drop to 0 hp, you die. Problem solved.

Burnfall.9573:

Direwind.8409:

I’m sorry, its totally and utterly kittened, many times where I would have won a fight while downed ruined by the IWIN stealth stomp, it pretty much counter anything you might do to stop them stomping.

Stealth should be broken on any kittening action taken while in stealth, be it healing, attacking or stomping.

Stealth stomping is the most insanely stupid kitten I have ever seen in any mmo.

I Completely Agree with you OP and you are not Alone in this long childsih mechanism uphill battle.

Only children plays this game.

A Real Man will show himself in Honor in Killing you.

Not “hiding behind the bush” which Cowards, and Children do.

OP, nearly 1 Year to Guild Wars 2 Anniversary and this is what WvW is all about, to those Individuals who chooses to play games instead of Fighing Like Men.

Someone playing this game calling players childish. You have issues.

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

Burnfall.9573:

Direwind.8409:

I’m sorry, its totally and utterly kittened, many times where I would have won a fight while downed ruined by the IWIN stealth stomp, it pretty much counter anything you might do to stop them stomping.

Stealth should be broken on any kittening action taken while in stealth, be it healing, attacking or stomping.

Stealth stomping is the most insanely stupid kitten I have ever seen in any mmo.

I Completely Agree with you OP and you are not Alone in this long childsih mechanism uphill battle.

Only children plays this game.

A Real Man will show himself in Honor in Killing you.

Not “hiding behind the bush” which Cowards, and Children do.

OP, nearly 1 Year to Guild Wars 2 Anniversary and this is what WvW is all about, to those Individuals who chooses to play games instead of Fighing Like Men.

Someone playing this game calling players childish. You have issues.

Yet I Don’t Play these Childlike games

Did I Offend You?

Burnfall.9573:

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

Burnfall.9573:

Direwind.8409:

I’m sorry, its totally and utterly kittened, many times where I would have won a fight while downed ruined by the IWIN stealth stomp, it pretty much counter anything you might do to stop them stomping.

Stealth should be broken on any kittening action taken while in stealth, be it healing, attacking or stomping.

Stealth stomping is the most insanely stupid kitten I have ever seen in any mmo.

I Completely Agree with you OP and you are not Alone in this long childsih mechanism uphill battle.

Only children plays this game.

A Real Man will show himself in Honor in Killing you.

Not “hiding behind the bush” which Cowards, and Children do.

OP, nearly 1 Year to Guild Wars 2 Anniversary and this is what WvW is all about, to those Individuals who chooses to play games instead of Fighing Like Men.

Someone playing this game calling players childish. You have issues.

Yet I Don’t Play these Childlike games

Did I Offend You?

People acting childish don’t offend me. Just disappoints me that you are supposed to be human. I feel pity for you.

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

Burnfall.9573:

Direwind.8409:

I’m sorry, its totally and utterly kittened, many times where I would have won a fight while downed ruined by the IWIN stealth stomp, it pretty much counter anything you might do to stop them stomping.

Stealth should be broken on any kittening action taken while in stealth, be it healing, attacking or stomping.

Stealth stomping is the most insanely stupid kitten I have ever seen in any mmo.

I Completely Agree with you OP and you are not Alone in this long childsih mechanism uphill battle.

Only children plays this game.

A Real Man will show himself in Honor in Killing you.

Not “hiding behind the bush” which Cowards, and Children do.

OP, nearly 1 Year to Guild Wars 2 Anniversary and this is what WvW is all about, to those Individuals who chooses to play games instead of Fighing Like Men.

Someone playing this game calling players childish. You have issues.

I Encourage you to Quote where i called evey players Childish..

As the saying goes, “Pity Yourself when you know the Truth Hurts”

In other words, I Don’t need your Pity.. keep that to yourself.

Being Human is to take Full Responsibility for your Actions and your Behaviors, Not Hiding like Cowards or playing Hide and Seek or Where is Waldo games like children

Seriously,

Ask yourself, ‘Why than these games are Annoying, Frustracting and Time Wasted’?

Well, I answered that question already.

Burnfall.9573:

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

Burnfall.9573:

Direwind.8409:

I’m sorry, its totally and utterly kittened, many times where I would have won a fight while downed ruined by the IWIN stealth stomp, it pretty much counter anything you might do to stop them stomping.

Stealth should be broken on any kittening action taken while in stealth, be it healing, attacking or stomping.

Stealth stomping is the most insanely stupid kitten I have ever seen in any mmo.

I Completely Agree with you OP and you are not Alone in this long childsih mechanism uphill battle.

Only children plays this game.

A Real Man will show himself in Honor in Killing you.

Not “hiding behind the bush” which Cowards, and Children do.

OP, nearly 1 Year to Guild Wars 2 Anniversary and this is what WvW is all about, to those Individuals who chooses to play games instead of Fighing Like Men.

Someone playing this game calling players childish. You have issues.

I Encourage you to Quote where i called evey players Childish..

Yet I Don’t Play those Childlike games

Did I Offend You?

You said only children play this game.

You still going to troll more?

i love how every one in the forms always ignore the one or two sensible posts and just trolls the trolls trolling the trolls

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

Burnfall.9573:

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

Burnfall.9573:

Direwind.8409:

I’m sorry, its totally and utterly kittened, many times where I would have won a fight while downed ruined by the IWIN stealth stomp, it pretty much counter anything you might do to stop them stomping.

Stealth should be broken on any kittening action taken while in stealth, be it healing, attacking or stomping.

Stealth stomping is the most insanely stupid kitten I have ever seen in any mmo.

I Completely Agree with you OP and you are not Alone in this long childsih mechanism uphill battle.

Only children plays this game.

A Real Man will show himself in Honor in Killing you.

Not “hiding behind the bush” which Cowards, and Children do.

OP, nearly 1 Year to Guild Wars 2 Anniversary and this is what WvW is all about, to those Individuals who chooses to play games instead of Fighing Like Men.

Someone playing this game calling players childish. You have issues.

I Encourage you to Quote where i called evey players Childish..

Yet I Don’t Play those Childlike games

Did I Offend You?

You said only children play this game.

You still going to troll more?

You as a Troll.. Obviously

Do Not Deserve My Time and My Quality Response.

being immune to damage doesn’t stop you from knocking them down or fearing them.

if they stealth stomp, you cant hit them, you cant knock them down and if you fear them they run off in stealth then just come back and stealth again.

how do you even hide in front of a guy you want to stab in the face?

“downed player> Oww my head hurts, mm I must be seeing things, what is this shadowy figure standing over me, mm whats he going to do? I know, I will ignore it. UURRRK” <blood spatter>

denimdan.8642:

i love how every one in the forms always ignore the one or two sensible posts and just trolls the trolls trolling the trolls

As you alreayd know, Troll- (childish behaviors) only responds with 1 or 2 sentences..

Now do you see who is the Troll?

If you take away stealth stomping then ill simply black powder stomp you.

Regardless, you got downed. You clearly must’ve gotten outplayed. Stop whining when you should already be dead anyways.

invincibility/invisibility stomping is pretty annoying, and probably shouldnt be a thing

at least in stability, you can be attacked

Burnfall.9573:

Titan.3472:

I think it’s not the first time I see that thread subject.

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Shoe.5821:

invincibility/invisibility stomping is pretty annoying, and probably shouldnt be a thing

at least in stability, you can be attacked

Can do damage but I still can’t help my team since I can’t CC to stop the stomp.

Stealth stomp is the easiest stomp to deal with and I can stop it with my CC.

A downed player lost. Those pitiful downed state skills are only there to make the downed player think there may be some hope. They lost.

scootshoot.6583:

Burnfall.9573:

Titan.3472:

I think it’s not the first time I see that thread subject.

Yet

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Working as intended.

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Some of you just need to roll a Thief alt as many of the QQ posts on this board are easy to counter.

I don’t mind stealth stomping at all. In fact, I think every class should have something similar to stealth stomping.

What annoys me is stealth rezzing of a downed player.

Can do damage but I still can’t help my team since I can’t CC to stop the stomp.
Stealth stomp is the easiest stomp to deal with and I can stop it with my CC.

but only some classes and builds have the kind of abilities that can CC people in stealth

which is kind of lame

++elixir S executes are very silly

but you cant execute people as a werewolf lawl

Stop raging and deal with it. Alot of classes are able to stability stomp which is basically the same thing.

I think there’s a difference in degree between a stability stomper and an invincibility stomp, since you can damage stability stompers.

stealth stomping is like invincibility in many ways, though obviously not all ways

Burnfall.9573:

Direwind.8409:

I’m sorry, its totally and utterly kittened, many times where I would have won a fight while downed ruined by the IWIN stealth stomp, it pretty much counter anything you might do to stop them stomping.

Stealth should be broken on any kittening action taken while in stealth, be it healing, attacking or stomping.

Stealth stomping is the most insanely stupid kitten I have ever seen in any mmo.

I Completely Agree with you OP and you are not Alone in this long childsih mechanism uphill battle.

Only children plays this game.

A Real Man will show himself in Honor in Killing you.

Not “hiding behind the bush” which Cowards, and Children do.

OP, nearly 1 Year to Guild Wars 2 Anniversary and this is what WvW is all about, to those Individuals who chooses to play games instead of Fighing Like Men.

In other word, some of us, including you and I Op are Sick and Tired of playing thier childlike games.

Unfortunately,

As the saying goes, ‘when i was a child, i behaved and Acted like a child, now that *I’m a Man, I have No uses for Childish Games*"

Unfortunately

Many choose to otherwise

So I assume you don’t actually play Guild Wars 2, and spend your time in active warzones. I also assume you just stop by the forums every once in a while to remind us that we are children.

Sorry for not capitalizing every other word, hope you still understand.

I use invis stomp usually in cases where I need to avoid other players (if I’m alone in a fight against multiple people)… however if I’m 1v1ing someone I’ll be decent enough not to do that. :shrug: What bothers me about it is when I get ganked by a few people and they seem to think there’s a need to invis before stomping lol… it’s like… “why?” I clearly lost, and mesmer downed skills are pretty terrible anyway. There was only one case where I would have won against someone and it was because we were both downed. Their friend ran by and stomped me at the last moment and game was over. But… honestly, downed state doesn’t make much difference if it were there or not. Usually by the time you are downed it is too late, unless you get that lucky rally off a mob or another player.

So really what I’m getting at is… yes the invis/invincible stomping feels pretty insulting but at that point there’s really nothing you can do unless you get lucky. It’s just part of the way the game works, unfortunately.

Inverted.7439:

Stop raging and deal with it. Alot of classes are able to stability stomp which is basically the same thing.

I’m not aware of any perma-stability builds. If Anet wants to let players run around invisible all the time and let them finish you while invisible, at least give me a crosshair and remove the target requirement on my skills so that I can skill shot them.

Waffler.1257:

Inverted.7439:

Stop raging and deal with it. Alot of classes are able to stability stomp which is basically the same thing.

I’m not aware of any perma-stability builds. If Anet wants to let players run around invisible all the time and let them finish you while invisible, at least give me a crosshair and remove the target requirement on my skills so that I can skill shot them.

If a thief was actually perma-stealthed, he wasn’t fighting you, he was restealthing. That’s about all you do in a perma stealth build. If someone really wants to heartseeker back and forth just outside a battle so that when you go down you have a 0% chance of stopping him, more power to him, I guess.

Also, there is no targeting requirement (outside of mesmer illusions). You can freehand to your heart’s content.

Basically what you’re saying is, lots of classes have really good ways to stomp you, and one has a really, really good way. Apparently, the latter is one really too many.

Klawlyt.6507:

If a thief was actually perma-stealthed, he wasn’t fighting you, he was restealthing. That’s about all you do in a perma stealth build. If someone really wants to heartseeker back and forth just outside a battle so that when you go down you have a 0% chance of stopping him, more power to him, I guess.

The point I was making which you failed to understand is that stability stomp and stealth stomp are not the same because you can gain access to stealth extremely easily through several different means and this is not the case with stability.

Also, there is no targeting requirement (outside of mesmer illusions). You can freehand to your heart’s content.

As for this, I am supremely confident that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Confidence is key, keep it up.

Here’s the thing people never take into account regarding downed state. It’s a group mechanic. In a 1v1, if you go down and the other guy doesn’t, you’re not supposed to have much more than a snowball’s chance in hell of getting back up.

But, you might say, we’re talking about WvW. That’s where the team comes in. And that’s where there’s no simple answer. On one hand, thieves are always being accused of being useless to zergs. On the other, here they have an excellent contribution to the zerg, finishing off enemy players. Perhaps you should adapt to the game and start making friendly with your server’s thieves, and incorporate them into your play. If you go up against a server who has a lot of these stealth stompers, perhaps you should adapt and start aiming for the thieves. They’re squishy anyway, they’ll make good rally bate.

But at the end of the day, my biggest argument is this. We’re on the WvW forums, so I’ll assume we’re chiefly concerned with WvW. Even if a thief is stealthed it still takes the full ~3 seconds to stomp (barring use of Haste, which isn’t terribly popular these days, thanks to what we used to kitten about thieves being OP for). How often do you survive those ~3 seconds without any other problems? Take thieves out of WvW entirely, and how much more often do you think you’ll get a rally? If there were no stealth, would you be here kittening about stability stomps simply because they’re the biggest barrier to you getting back up?

Each class has strengths and weaknesses. Most classes can do several things well. Thieves generally do one thing well: make people die quickly. Stealth stomping seems to fall in line with that philosophy nicely, don’t you think?

Klawlyt.6507:

Confidence is key, keep it up.

Here’s the thing people never take into account regarding downed state. It’s a group mechanic. In a 1v1, if you go down and the other guy doesn’t, you’re not supposed to have much more than a snowball’s chance in hell of getting back up.

But, you might say, we’re talking about WvW. That’s where the team comes in. And that’s where there’s no simple answer. On one hand, thieves are always being accused of being useless to zergs. On the other, here they have an excellent contribution to the zerg, finishing off enemy players. Perhaps you should adapt to the game and start making friendly with your server’s thieves, and incorporate them into your play. If you go up against a server who has a lot of these stealth stompers, perhaps you should adapt and start aiming for the thieves. They’re squishy anyway, they’ll make good rally bate.

But at the end of the day, my biggest argument is this. We’re on the WvW forums, so I’ll assume we’re chiefly concerned with WvW. Even if a thief is stealthed it still takes the full ~3 seconds to stomp (barring use of Haste, which isn’t terribly popular these days, thanks to what we used to kitten about thieves being OP for). How often do you survive those ~3 seconds without any other problems? Take thieves out of WvW entirely, and how much more often do you think you’ll get a rally? If there were no stealth, would you be here kittening about stability stomps simply because they’re the biggest barrier to you getting back up?

Each class has strengths and weaknesses. Most classes can do several things well. Thieves generally do one thing well: make people die quickly. Stealth stomping seems to fall in line with that philosophy nicely, don’t you think?

And where in your rambling do you explain why I am not allowed to free-look and hit players with skills without targeting them in downed state? Because that was pretty much all I asked for in my original post that you responded to, to which you said you can (except for mesmer clone skill). However, I am sure that you went and did some testing so that you now realize you were wrong in that assertion.

Unfortunately I didn’t get the chance. Now that you mention it, I think you’re probably right about that part. I don’t remember thinking free-aiming in the downed state would have ever been any kind of useful though, so it never crossed my mind. What exactly did you hope to accomplish beside the last minute downing of an opposing, stealthed thief? If you could free aim, how often do you think you’d take down an opponent you can’t see once you’re limited to downed skills? Even if there were no stealth stomps, wouldn’t he just run right back up to you after your bubble/fear/vapor/etc like everyone else does?

But clearly, everything else I have said has been invalidated. You have won the forums on this day, good game.

Klawlyt.6507:

What exactly did you hope to accomplish beside the last minute downing of an opposing, stealthed thief?

Low health opponents can be downed before they finish their stomp at which point you have about 50/50 chance of victory since you have slightly lower health but your 3 skill (which is pretty powerful on some classes) is also closer to coming off cool-down. Even if the opponent isn’t at low health, if another opponent nearby is about to die, you can interrupt the stomping opponent to buy yourself time to rally off the other near-death player. If you position yourself correctly near a cliff, fear/bubble can knock the player off and either kill them or buy you additional time to recover. Of course bubble is fine since it doesn’t require targeting, but fear does. I’m sure there are other situations where not having guaranteed death on down state because you are unable to do anything to players you can’t target would be useful, but I’m too lazy to think through them all.

If you could free aim, how often do you think you’d take down an opponent you can’t see once you’re limited to downed skills?

More often than 0% of the time.

Even if there were no stealth stomps, wouldn’t he just run right back up to you after your bubble/fear/vapor/etc like everyone else does?

See answer to first question.

scootshoot.6583:

Burnfall.9573:

Titan.3472:

I think it’s not the first time I see that thread subject.

Yet

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Working as intended.

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Waffler.1257:

Klawlyt.6507:

What exactly did you hope to accomplish beside the last minute downing of an opposing, stealthed thief?

Low health opponents can be downed before they finish their stomp at which point you have about 50/50 chance of victory since you have slightly lower health but your 3 skill (which is pretty powerful on some classes) is also closer to coming off cool-down. Even if the opponent isn’t at low health, if another opponent nearby is about to die, you can interrupt the stomping opponent to buy yourself time to rally off the other near-death player. If you position yourself correctly near a cliff, fear/bubble can knock the player off and either kill them or buy you additional time to recover. Of course bubble is fine since it doesn’t require targeting, but fear does. I’m sure there are other situations where not having guaranteed death on down state because you are unable to do anything to players you can’t target would be useful, but I’m too lazy to think through them all.

If you could free aim, how often do you think you’d take down an opponent you can’t see once you’re limited to downed skills?

Klawlyt.6507:

Even if there were no stealth stomps, wouldn’t he just run right back up to you after your bubble/fear/vapor/etc like everyone else does?

See answer to first question.

Thieves’ #3 skill is completely against another downed opponent. Really their #2 is just a very reliable way to avoid exactly 1 stomp attempt, so it’s pretty useless against another downed opponent. Who’s being unfair now?

If you’re near a cliff?! Like that happens often enough to be a factor in anything? I don’t think the game is balanced for PvP/WvW/WvW-near-a-cliff.

If you have a team mate nearby, why isn’t s/he doing anything to help? Why don’t they throw down a fear mark, or a guardian wall, or a static field, or aoe stealth… ?

It’s all if’s! The fact is, in most situations, not allowing thieves to stealth stomp just lets you die another way. Yes, thieves can stealth far more often than any other class can use stability. But, thieves also get no access to stability. (except while using Dagger Storm, and it’ll go away as soon as you stop using it, so no, you can’t Dagger Storm Stomp) So, like so many other things, it’s a trade off.

Waffler.1257:

More often than 0% of the time.

Do you really think it would be by a statistically significant amount? Really? Do you have such a high rate of rallies that only gets ruined by the nasty thief who stomps you from nowhere? Do you get back up 9/10 times and that 10th one is always a thief? Because this sounds like a philosophical argument more than a practical one. And on the flip side, in a given week, what percentage of incoming stomps would you say are done by stealthed thieves? How badly are they ruining your WvW experience?

Direwind.8409:

I’m sorry, its totally and utterly kittened, many times where I would have won a fight while downed ruined by the IWIN stealth stomp, it pretty much counter anything you might do to stop them stomping.

Stealth should be broken on any kittening action taken while in stealth, be it healing, attacking or stomping.

Stealth stomping is the most insanely stupid kitten I have ever seen in any mmo.

L2P
Stealth stomping is not nearly as good as stability stomps or mist form stomps. Should we remove those to cater to the needs of the bad pvp’rs too?

Mist form and shrink stomps make no sense, and probably shouldn’t exist. There’s lots of transforms where you can’t stomp, so they arn’t even consistent.

mist form and shrink stomps are far more annoying than stealth stomps

Stab stomp is also much harder to stop than a stealth stomp.

I laugh at the majority of thieves that attempt a stealth stomp. if they are running any kind of burst build they shouldn’t be stomping at all. Even the tanker builds a thief doesn’t want to stick in a single spot for too long. Good teams will put down a lot of damage on their downed allies just to catch bad thieves going for stealth stomps.

Also mini/mist form stomps arnt iwin either.

Why are you still playing this game?

Stealth won’t get fixed. Just go play another game. By staying you are rewarding Anet for horrible designs with your RL money.

Burnfall.9573:

Do Not Deserve My Time and My Quality Response.

This is the most hilarious thing I have read in a looooong time..

He downed you first. He should get the kill, not the other way around.

if there’s anything that’s annoying in the stomp/downed arguments is the fact that certain classes need 3 stomp attempts to succeed due to stealth and teleport downed abilities.

Burnfall.9573:

As you alreayd know, Troll- (childish behaviors) only responds with 1 or 2 sentences..

Now do you see who is the Troll?

I can’t be the only one seeing the irony in this being a two sentence response. Seriously though, stealth stomping is completely fine. So is Elixir S(take) and stability and whatever. If you have such a problem with being stealth stomped, don’t get downed in the first place.

Folk.2093:

if there’s anything that’s annoying in the stomp/downed arguments is the fact that certain classes need 3 stomp attempts to succeed due to stealth and teleport downed abilities.

QFT

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

You were downed and you really believe that you were going to win?

Let’s just removed downed system. You drop to 0 hp, you die. Problem solved.

You are aware aren`t you, that if they`ve been fighting, the thief scum won`t be at 100%hp?
They could`ve got the thief low enough that they could, whilst in the crappy downed states, damage them enough if they`re visible to put them into downed state also.

As for getting rid of downed state, I`m all for that, or at least give us a suicide button so that we don`t have to waste time just laying there.

Fishbait.6723:

As for getting rid of downed state, I`m all for that, or at least give us a suicide button so that we don`t have to waste time just laying there.

This part I’d be in favor of. Especially in sPvP where they can let you bleed out and miss a respawn. Then again, props to them for their tactical awareness, I ’spose.

I dont need stealth stomping, I use shadowstep or blind stomp :p

Inverted.7439:

Stop raging and deal with it. Alot of classes are able to stability stomp which is basically the same thing.

The difference is both stability and block for most classes are on huge cooldowns while stealth is not. Thieves can easily stealth stomp multiple downed players in a row. No utility slot is needed.

Thieves are far beyond when it comes to stomping downed players.

But there’s no simple solution. Thieves dont have access to stability (besides Dagger Storm) or blocks, so Anet cannot just take away the ability to stomp during stealth.

The whole downed state + stomping mechanics should be looked at.

I say kitten no.

If they get rid of stealth stomp, go ahead and remove: mesmer invulnerable stomp, mist form stomp, stability stomp, portal stomp, etc.

Sounds silly doesn’t it? So does what you’re asking for. Its just part of the class that killed you.