Guild Wars 2

Why you do this? I play in Anvil Rock and I find it incredibly disappointing knowing that I’ll get rewards from that reward chest WORSE than someone from another server with a strong WvW community for the SAME AMOUNT OF EFFORT.

-We want to promote WvW activity because people would notice that the rewards int he chest are based off of server performance!
Nice try, the servers are staying where they are in terms of WvW activity and rank, especially Anvil Rock.

-WvW is team oriented so quit whining.
I QUOTE: “It’s extremely important that we stay true to our philosophy that you should be able to play Guild Wars 2 the way you want to play the game in order to reach the most powerful rewards.”
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/colin-johanson-on-guild-wars-2-in-the-months-ahead/

THE MOST POWERFUL REWARDS? What a joke.
And I get, considering this is AR, presumably the worse possible rewards just because I’m on a different server — a server that happens to have small WvW player count.

Honestly Anet, you’re just making servers like Jade Quarry and Blackgate more enticing. You’re essentially screwing over all of the loyal WvW players on Anvil Rock.

It’s not like you get more loot every dungeon run just because your server is proficient at running dungeons.
It’s not like you get more cosmetics in sPvP because your server has the top sPvP players.
Why should it be for WvW?

yeah….

WvW reward should be based solely on completing the achievement meta….

that way it would be fair to everyone participating…..

take a lead and build a community.. there were quite few servers that fell down completely and raised by supporting wvw community

don’t want to do it? transfer then

get real, would olympics be really that fun if everyone got gold?

azizul.8469:

yeah….

WvW reward should be based solely on completing the achievement meta….

that way it would be fair to everyone participating…..

Please, don’t even say that. There are gonna be plenty of people who finish the meta, that barely contributed anything to their server during the seven weeks. But, sadly, they get the same reward as the people who worked hard to get their server to finish where it does.

BTW, I wouldn’t really stress out over the rewards. My guess, they will be a joke. A finisher….not really that special. Whatever else is in that chest, isn’t gonna be special. They aren’t dropping legendaries for first place finishers.

Don’t cry over 2 yellows and a green.

Andrew Clear.1750:

There are gonna be plenty of people who finish the meta, that barely contributed anything to their server during the seven weeks. But, sadly, they get the same reward as the people who worked hard to get their server to finish where it does.

What about all of the players on Anvil Rock that work their butts off just for the slight chance that we might get second place? We simply don’t have enough players for WvW. It doesn’t matter if our WvW players are gods of theory crafting, organization, strategy, and combat (which we are not). In the end it’s just a matter of who has the bigger zerg. It’s kind of funny because that’s what determines your “server performance.”

Why don’t you step into my shoes for a moment? Know that you can do NOTHING to stop defeat. How does that make you feel?

Cynz.9437:

take a lead and build a community.. there were quite few servers that fell down completely and raised by supporting wvw community

don’t want to do it? transfer then

get real, would olympics be really that fun if everyone got gold?

The problem is that Anet should NOT be promoting server transfers as this damages the community. Last summer, a major WvW guild, ALS, left our server. I’ve been told that other guilds have followed suit and, as a result, have left AR in its current state.

I admire your attempt to provide an analogy, but you fail to recognize the situation at hand. In the olympics, the gold medal is symbolic of first place, or victory. We already have this and it’s the current WvW ranking system. The prize money, however, is a different story.

[SUGGESTION]

Calculate server rewards based on population!! Servers with a very low WvW population get better rewards based on their score.

For example:
Vabbi has about 1/2 the numbers of the servers WSR and FoW.
Though we still have a score of 152.000, compared to WSR 167.000 and FoW 196.000.
Consequently the players on Vabbi have put in a lot of effort to fight back and get such a score. Reward that!

Took me a while to find this:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Please-let-there-be-most-improved/first#post2755161
It is possible that their might be other types of rewards instead of just winning your league.

Draygo.9473:

Took me a while to find this:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Please-let-there-be-most-improved/first#post2755161
It is possible that their might be other types of rewards instead of just winning your league.

Oh that’s actually nice. Lets hope Devon keeps the promise. :P

lol this is wvw, what are rewards? …you think there’s actually going to be something good in that Chest? …. This is the same company that gave all of us 5 Queen Jennas for sticking with them 12 months. (back in Gw1 when I got 5 hydras I could atleast trade some of them for some other 1st-year.)

Well, what would be the point of a competition if there were no rewards for winning?

Should they remove the price for winning NHL as well, since not all teams are equal?

Yeah…5th and 6th (gold) in the US rankings, are going to get some of the worst rewards. Nice work, Anet.

azizul.8469:

yeah….

WvW reward should be based solely on completing the achievement meta….

that way it would be fair to everyone participating…..

>This<

I started a thread on this very topic a few days ago:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Ensuring-rewards-are-fair/first#post3080077

The server position rewards need to be completely separate from the player meta rewards and be limited to either purely cosmetic items or temp benefits like increased magic find etc for a month or so.

Yeah, honestly, Gold tier is far more unbalanced than either Silver or Bronze. The difference between the top 3 and the next 3 is just huge. Any of the bottom 3 of Gold tier can double-team one of the top 3 and still lose.

I’m pretty sure that in Anvil Rock, you guys can muster up your PvE players enough to mount some kind of offensive in order to get a decent finish.

Maguuma has the right kind of attitude in Gold. They’re just there for the fights. I look forward to meeting them on the battlefield.

Wouldn’t it be cool if Gold league stacked roflstom servers would get like a acended weapon each. Silver would get an exotic, and the rest a rare..
Just to make sure the rewards are evenly spread to ensure a balanced matchup ^^

How does getting ascended weapons (or rares…) assure a balanced match-up ?

@Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046 You are joking right? Just because silver or bronze dont have so many players and bandwagoners we should have lower rewards? You want everybody to jump to T1 and make lags and queue more horrible?

XAssumption.9540:

Andrew Clear.1750:

There are gonna be plenty of people who finish the meta, that barely contributed anything to their server during the seven weeks. But, sadly, they get the same reward as the people who worked hard to get their server to finish where it does.

What about all of the players on Anvil Rock that work their butts off just for the slight chance that we might get second place? We simply don’t have enough players for WvW. It doesn’t matter if our WvW players are gods of theory crafting, organization, strategy, and combat (which we are not). In the end it’s just a matter of who has the bigger zerg. It’s kind of funny because that’s what determines your “server performance.”

Why don’t you step into my shoes for a moment? Know that you can do NOTHING to stop defeat. How does that make you feel?

Probably the same way GoM players felt when your server was on the way up. You aren’t a snowflake, this ain’t PvE. I still have a special despite for AR being on that receiving end, ain’t gonna pretend sympathy now that you are.

sarcasm.
I has it too much.

But what i described actually already happened. ofcourse the rewards shouldn’t be given out like that. but people expect to get better stuff when 1st place in gold league
or 1st place in silver/bronze so they stack..

I should stop being sacrastic i guess ^^

That is the point of WvW. Why are you surprised?

Hule.8794:

@Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046 You are joking right? Just because silver or bronze dont have so many players and bandwagoners we should have lower rewards? You want everybody to jump to T1 and make lags and queue more horrible?

If you go into that other thread, I posted links from Devon from waaaay back at the beginning of September (you can see them here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Ensuring-rewards-are-fair). He indicated that the top of the Gold, Silver and Bronze leagues would get great rewards. So it’s a reason to get motivated and push for your server.

I will repeat what I said in that other thread. If they wind up giving the league winners some fluff like a skin or a mini pet, chances are season two will see a woefully lower turnout. However, if they give really great rewards to the league winners in the various tiers, then season two will see mass player involvement, a reason to push hard and work hard for their server, to win the shiny carrot at the end.

If you bandwagoned to a higher tier server to get the shiny carrot, then you are currently facing massive queues. It’s a trade off. But he did say that every winner of each league had the chance at something pretty good — so it didn’t necessarily mean Tier 1 gold league.

This is a competition. Everyone had equal opportunity to find a server that would suit them best for their needs. If the reward was the thing that motivates you, you had a week prior of either free transfers or discounted fees to move. If you preferred to stay put and play with friends, you had the chance to work hard for your server that way too. It is really all about choice, and Anet gave everyone the information they needed to make an informed decision for themselves.

Oh boy, oh boy, I can’t wait for that chest with kitten skin, 100 badges, 10 greens and a rare. Scary to imagine what losers will get.

Jayne.9251:

Hule.8794:

@Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046 You are joking right? Just because silver or bronze dont have so many players and bandwagoners we should have lower rewards? You want everybody to jump to T1 and make lags and queue more horrible?

This is a competition. Everyone had equal opportunity to find a server that would suit them best for their needs. If the reward was the thing that motivates you, you had a week prior of either free transfers or discounted fees to move. If you preferred to stay put and play with friends, you had the chance to work hard for your server that way too. It is really all about choice, and Anet gave everyone the information they needed to make an informed decision for themselves.

What is competitive about moving to a server that is likely to finish near the top of their respective league?

If all players transfer one server everybody wins. Why not reward guilds and players for their performance?

This isn’t my five year olds soccer league, not everyone gets a prize just for showing up.

lordkrall.7241:

Well, what would be the point of a competition if there were no rewards for winning?

Should they remove the price for winning NHL as well, since not all teams are equal?

If, in the NHL, certain teams could field 12 players while others could only field 6, I’m pretty sure that nobody would watch it because there’s no competition in the first place.

Coincidentally that’s exactly what is happening with WvW leagues at the moment.

Junkpile.7439:

If all players transfer one server everybody wins. Why not reward guilds and players for their performance?

then everyone joins a giant zerg guild. What’s the difference again?

EFWinters.5421:

If, in the NHL, certain teams could field 12 players while others could only field 6, I’m pretty sure that nobody would watch it because there’s no competition in the first place.

Coincidentally that’s exactly what is happening with WvW leagues at the moment.

Every single server in the game have the ability to field the same amount of player (I doubt there is a server that have too few people on it to fill up a map fully.

The fact that they don’t is another matter, they still COULD however.

lordkrall.7241:

Well, what would be the point of a competition if there were no rewards for winning?

Should they remove the price for winning NHL as well, since not all teams are equal?

Nope. I’ll just join the best team. Everyone wins, right? No problem there?

Welcome to the everyone gets a trophy generation.

Next we will have no losers, everyone wins all the time. No more 2nd or 3rd place. Show up and win a prize

XAssumption.9540:

lordkrall.7241:

Well, what would be the point of a competition if there were no rewards for winning?

Should they remove the price for winning NHL as well, since not all teams are equal?

Nope. I’ll just join the best team. Everyone wins, right? No problem there?

The problem is no one has a team.

How much sense would the Stanley Cup make if the players could join whatever team they wanted whenever they want (even mid-match!)?

styx.7294:

XAssumption.9540:

lordkrall.7241:

Well, what would be the point of a competition if there were no rewards for winning?

Should they remove the price for winning NHL as well, since not all teams are equal?

Nope. I’ll just join the best team. Everyone wins, right? No problem there?

The problem is no one has a team.

How much sense would the Stanley Cup make if the players could join whatever team they wanted whenever they want (even mid-match!)?

Or if one team could hit puck in empty net whole night and morning.

Please stop making comparisons to traditional sports. WvW isn’t remotely similar to baseball, football, or whatever sport in which team size doesn’t depend on time of day.

Thanks.

Edit: Not to mention, you can’t effortlessly change teams mid season.

lordkrall.7241:

EFWinters.5421:

If, in the NHL, certain teams could field 12 players while others could only field 6, I’m pretty sure that nobody would watch it because there’s no competition in the first place.

Coincidentally that’s exactly what is happening with WvW leagues at the moment.

Every single server in the game have the ability to field the same amount of player (I doubt there is a server that have too few people on it to fill up a map fully.

The fact that they don’t is another matter, they still COULD however.

No they don’t. WvW is won by coverage and only a few servers has the coverage to keep the maps filled. Stop living in a dream world and smell reality. As it is the server system is a huge fail where WvW is concerned due to seperating NA and EU servers. Had they not been seperated WvW would have been a bigger success, because you’d have an actual 24/7 battlefield as advertised.

As it is now Anet is stacking the rewards and gameplay changes more and more in favor of T1 servers.

How is this up for debate?

Different cosmetic rewards (e.g. a colored finisher) for server rank, and fixed rewards for completing the meta. Possibly throw in some temporary rewards for your server rank as well.

Anything else will lead to even more imbalance than we have now, as people will surely flock to the winning server.

zaybug.9284:

Welcome to the everyone gets a trophy generation.

Next we will have no losers, everyone wins all the time. No more 2nd or 3rd place. Show up and win a prize

The Meta achievement is required to ‘win a prize’ so this argument is not valid. The meta achievement is harder to complete on worlds with lower populations and therefore anyone completing it should receive the same reward.

Before the rewards, there was little incentive to win your match other than bragging rights. All of you wvw’er complain about matches being lopsided, but rewards like this will give reason for your server to up their game. If the rewards are juicy, you can bet next season will be more competitive. And no, “people will just xfer” isn’t a good argument, look at all the qq about ques. Many people wont even have a easy time to get the meta, at worse they will xfer at start, xfer back because kitten ques, and they will get the rewards for that server

Performance is great on GH. No lag at all!

The season rewards are probably a cape and a finisher. Who cares?

I just hope the Dolyak miniature is not based on server rank. I will be pretty kitten ed if I complete the meta achievement but do not get the miniature because our server was not good enough.

nekretaal.6485:

a cape and a finisher. Who cares?

I think plenty of people would.

XAssumption.9540:

Why you do this? I play in Anvil Rock and I find it incredibly disappointing knowing that I’ll get rewards from that reward chest WORSE than someone from another server with a strong WvW community for the SAME AMOUNT OF EFFORT.

-We want to promote WvW activity because people would notice that the rewards int he chest are based off of server performance!
Nice try, the servers are staying where they are in terms of WvW activity and rank, especially Anvil Rock.

-WvW is team oriented so quit whining.
I QUOTE: “It’s extremely important that we stay true to our philosophy that you should be able to play Guild Wars 2 the way you want to play the game in order to reach the most powerful rewards.”
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/colin-johanson-on-guild-wars-2-in-the-months-ahead/

THE MOST POWERFUL REWARDS? What a joke.
And I get, considering this is AR, presumably the worse possible rewards just because I’m on a different server — a server that happens to have small WvW player count.

Honestly Anet, you’re just making servers like Jade Quarry and Blackgate more enticing. You’re essentially screwing over all of the loyal WvW players on Anvil Rock.

It’s not like you get more loot every dungeon run just because your server is proficient at running dungeons.
It’s not like you get more cosmetics in sPvP because your server has the top sPvP players.
Why should it be for WvW?

Better rewards should go to better performing WvW servers. Mediocrity has no place in WvW.

The worst rallybaiting player on JQ who simply complete the achievements via k-training gets better rewards than the best players on Mag who struggle every week to bust zergs 2-3 times their strength in numbers.

Honestly they should have skipped the achievements altogether and just gave out rewards based on server population at the beginning of leagues. It would have saved us 7 weeks of random-kitten achievement hunting no serious WvW players wants to do.

Working as intended.

deathTouch.9706:

The worst rallybaiting player on JQ who simply complete the achievements via k-training gets better rewards than the best players on Mag who struggle every week to bust zergs 2-3 times their strength in numbers.

Honestly they should have skipped the achievements altogether and just gave out rewards based on server population at the beginning of leagues. It would have saved us 7 weeks of random-kitten achievement hunting no serious WvW players wants to do.

Working as intended.

And what are you hunting? The achievement requirements are not so high that you can’t get them by you know ACTUALLY playing WvW. Though admittedly convulsing all over each other in fight clubs will make it somewhat difficult to get them.

Daroon.1736:

zaybug.9284:

Welcome to the everyone gets a trophy generation.

Next we will have no losers, everyone wins all the time. No more 2nd or 3rd place. Show up and win a prize

The Meta achievement is required to ‘win a prize’ so this argument is not valid. The meta achievement is harder to complete on worlds with lower populations and therefore anyone completing it should receive the same reward.

what? the meta is easier on low pop servers, we dont have to deal with queues. no server has such a low population that they cant gather enough people to flip a keep at any given time. the only people who might not finish are the poor suckers in t1 who dont know how to bypass the queue.

Asudementio.8526:

deathTouch.9706:

The worst rallybaiting player on JQ who simply complete the achievements via k-training gets better rewards than the best players on Mag who struggle every week to bust zergs 2-3 times their strength in numbers.

Honestly they should have skipped the achievements altogether and just gave out rewards based on server population at the beginning of leagues. It would have saved us 7 weeks of random-kitten achievement hunting no serious WvW players wants to do.

Working as intended.

And what are you hunting? The achievement requirements are not so high that you can’t get them by you know ACTUALLY playing WvW. Though admittedly convulsing all over each other in fight clubs will make it somewhat difficult to get them.

Yes, because taking SM 5 times in gold league is realistic with a group of 10 people.

I actively try to avoid 80 man, lowest-common-denominator no-skill-usage 1-spam orgies as much as possible because, you know, that’s not ACTUALLY playing WvW.

Conner.4702:

No they don’t. WvW is won by coverage and only a few servers has the coverage to keep the maps filled. Stop living in a dream world and smell reality. As it is the server system is a huge fail where WvW is concerned due to seperating NA and EU servers. Had they not been seperated WvW would have been a bigger success, because you’d have an actual 24/7 battlefield as advertised.

As it is now Anet is stacking the rewards and gameplay changes more and more in favor of T1 servers.

As I said, every single server have the ABILITY to do it, but not every server will do it.
That does not mean they don’t have the ability.
If there were no limits on the maps I would have agreed, but since there is a limit it is fully possible for everyone to get as much coverage.

it should be like that anyway …

Everyone in T1 NA are working their best to win this one… Look at the score, it’s the closest score i have ever seen in gw2 and it will come down to the last day.

winners should deserve better reward …

I am gonna jump on the WvW rewards train here, and though it isn’t on topic with the OP, I got to say the WvW rewards are horrible. I got rank 10 on a toon and got a green and a yellow……that is just sad, it took longer to get from 9-10 than doing a few PvE events where I typically make a few gold, or more, for less time. It isn’t like this is offset by badges, cause 3 badges isn’t jack.

While PvE rewards are still lackluster, they are much better than they were a year ago. WvW though…meh.

I can’t play the game the way I want when rewards are so imbalanced.

deathTouch.9706:

Asudementio.8526:

deathTouch.9706:

The worst rallybaiting player on JQ who simply complete the achievements via k-training gets better rewards than the best players on Mag who struggle every week to bust zergs 2-3 times their strength in numbers.

Honestly they should have skipped the achievements altogether and just gave out rewards based on server population at the beginning of leagues. It would have saved us 7 weeks of random-kitten achievement hunting no serious WvW players wants to do.

Working as intended.

And what are you hunting? The achievement requirements are not so high that you can’t get them by you know ACTUALLY playing WvW. Though admittedly convulsing all over each other in fight clubs will make it somewhat difficult to get them.

Yes, because taking SM 5 times in gold league is realistic with a group of 10 people.

I actively try to avoid 80 man, lowest-common-denominator no-skill-usage 1-spam orgies as much as possible because, you know, that’s not ACTUALLY playing WvW.

Hey lucky for you you don’t have to complete all of the achievements, GG