Guild Wars 2

I think server pride is great, you begin to recognize players or guilds that are actively representing your server, and the more theyre appreciated or supported in how you express your pride if you have any, may impact on players.

Cheer squads etc motivate and can bolster efforts, it doesnt have to be about individual or guild rewards but a general feeling of “We can do this for our server” type rallying.

It seems alot of people are Jaded, hold no desire for server support or pride, indifferent.

I do not see much point in a format like WvW without server pride. What exactly are you defending then?
Would I leave my server? Yes, if it become impossible (queues) or depressing (toxic community) to play, but not just because we were losing. A low ranked server can do better and that can be much more fun to achieve than PvD-ing in T1. I am in T1 btw, so no offence meant to those who made their characters in a high tier server, or on a server that later became high tier But I am sceptical towards server hoppers, I think a controlled GvG or other large team but not realm set-up would be better for them and us.

So yes, I think server pride should be encouraged and server hopping discouraged, perhaps by time gating server transfers.

When you look at things like the Olympics or world series, world cup events, their is a feeling of belonging to that particular country and wanting to support it, whether its by wearing a scarf, tshirt, flags, stickers etc, or going to those events to wear your team colors, that sense of pride you have when other people are representing your country, hearing your anthem being played your flag propped up higher than any other, can be a wonderful feeling.

If this type of support or fanbase isnt happening in a game, isnt it detrimental to the concept of wvw? as Silver stated "I do not see much point in a format like WvW without server pride. What exactly are you defending then? "

Silver.3284:

I do not see much point in a format like WvW without server pride. What exactly are you defending then?
Would I leave my server? Yes, if it become impossible (queues) or depressing (toxic community) to play, but not just because we were losing. A low ranked server can do better and that can be much more fun to achieve than PvD-ing in T1. I am in T1 btw, so no offence meant to those who made their characters in a high tier server, or on a server that later became high tier But I am sceptical towards server hoppers, I think a controlled GvG or other large team but not realm set-up would be better for them and us.

So yes, I think server pride should be encouraged and server hopping discouraged, perhaps by time gating server transfers.

Why would anyone be proud of the server cluster on which a character, that technically doesn’t even belong to them, is stored? One would have to have nothing of value in his life to be desperate enough to seek pride in bits of data rather than in what he actually accomplishes. Again, it is a business, create a problem, accentuate it, sell the solution.

because it’s an rpg game – a role playing game and the server isn’t called …. 155239
it has a name.

the roleplay value of the game is being killed by people who play it like quake. I place fault on anet on this one for not making being on a particular server mean anything.
The game currently has zero role play value other than buying an outfit and talking about peoples mom in lions arch lol.

role-playing game
noun
a game in which participants adopt the roles of imaginary characters in an adventure under the direction of a Game Master.

guildwars 2 does NOT have a game master. The closest thing we have to a game master in gw2 is the Mad King – and that’s hardly a game master, but people react to it. Even further when people tried to organize role play events – the events were chastised. – wiggles finger-

gw2 is more of an mmofps game than a mmorpg, and that’s why people think server transfers are irrelevant.

Best fix would be just have everyone log into a random server – kill guild loyalty too so we can be in complete chaos – pure pug – not being loyal to any guild would make that very fun to ME!! Forget your guild – I don’t care about them – I just want to kill stuff – it fits my mercenary role play. Pure Chaos!!!

Deso has server pride. We are the top EU PvE server, do very well in SPvP and on the WvW side of things we have fail cascaded and had mass guild exodus not once, not twice but three times. The same guilds are left to clean up to the mess and we are now currently winning Silver league.

The games more fun when you have been playing with the same huge group of people and members from other guilds often join in on other guild raids and using public TS

There were a lot of guilds from other servers I had more respect for than for some people on my own.

I transferred to Vabbi though and I find people here are generally more skilled and honorable than any I have met before. So I guess Vabbi is different from other servers, and proud to be!

Main thing stays guild pride though. No respect for zerglings.

yeah, we should kill the guild system to match the failed server loyalty.

Random servers for everyone, the game is half chaotic – we should make it completely chaotic so people can understand the value of roleplay. When that happens I will have a blast roleplaying and all of gw2 will be my guild.

Ins.7139:

Deso has server pride. We are the top EU PvE server, do very well in SPvP and on the WvW side of things we have fail cascaded and had mass guild exodus not once, not twice but three times. The same guilds are left to clean up to the mess and we are now currently winning Silver league.

The games more fun when you have been playing with the same huge group of people and members from other guilds often join in on other guild raids and using public TS

Good thing you did remember use . Frigging hilarious post.

Perhaps server pride or lack of server pride is the point of wvw from a dev standpoint. If you have no loyalty for your particular server, then you have no sense of belonging.

If you dont belong you dont care, hmm is this a good thing or a bad thing, or simply just is?

What are the pros and cons to this type of system if its intended?

a chess club is a team of people that when not traveling to battle other chess clubs – are battling each other. Most of wvw players love pvp – it’s more fun to fight a friend, than team up with him to beat up random people.

There is a whole psychology that is missing from the gw2 rpg that’s causing a serious imbalance.

it’s good that some people are loyal – it’s evil to abandon your people for an easy win.

But there is no chaos. chaos is the philosophy of balance.

Ricky.4706:

gw2 is more of an mmofps game than a mmorpg, and that’s why people think server transfers are irrelevant.

lol, I never thought about it like that but you could be right. I might change it to “mmotpg” though: 3rd-person shooter.

-smile- you get my point.

That’s the cause of imbalance. its not good to play dungeons and dragons using quake rules. That’s like trying to mix dodgeball and chess – i mean sure …you could try…but…. lol.

i mean picture it

Player 1 : – knight c3 to king d1
Player 2: – slams ball on board bouncing it off the opponents face – Checkmate, I win!!

now if you want to balance that kind of game – what you do is play dodge ball – while moving like a chess piece. it would still be a bit of a mess – but more organized than slamming the ball on a chessboard – which is the equivalent of transferring to win.

Hence, a random log in so big wvw guilds can’t stack one server. Them being organized isn’t the problem – them having too many numbers in one server is that dodgeball being slammed on a chessboard.

So you want wvw to be like the pvp area except larger scale? No server pride or rallying, no team loyalty, just your own individual efforts to participate or not?

May end up cutting out alot of players that currently play wvw namely the crowd that dont enter pvp at all. Im not sure if the WvW gameplay was meant to exclude pvers.

WvW = PvPvE. World of Warcraft does what you suggested, except its random and organized grps that can join together with faction vs faction, or in this case, blue vs red vs green?

it’s not a matter of what “I” want – it’s a matter of whats best for balancing the game for everyone.

a guild of 300 should not be vip over 1,000 pug players.

wvwvw would serve better as a glorified version of gw1’s fort apsenwood fights – than this big unbalanced gvg arena that it is now.

wvw is NOT gvg

Problem is that silly score doesn’t give any motivation play for server. I would play for server if some vabbimanians would capture our lions arch and gank everybody who would try to use mystic toilet.

exactly – guilds are stacking and giving value to an invalid score as if wvw is gvg – its not.

It’s gw1 fort aspenwood on a much larger scale. That worked great in gw1. trying to stack guilds in 1 server is not great – because there aren’t enough guilds that big to make it gvg.

ptitminou.6489:

Silver.3284:

I do not see much point in a format like WvW without server pride. What exactly are you defending then?
Would I leave my server? Yes, if it become impossible (queues) or depressing (toxic community) to play, but not just because we were losing. A low ranked server can do better and that can be much more fun to achieve than PvD-ing in T1. I am in T1 btw, so no offence meant to those who made their characters in a high tier server, or on a server that later became high tier But I am sceptical towards server hoppers, I think a controlled GvG or other large team but not realm set-up would be better for them and us.

So yes, I think server pride should be encouraged and server hopping discouraged, perhaps by time gating server transfers.

Why would anyone be proud of the server cluster on which a character, that technically doesn’t even belong to them, is stored? One would have to have nothing of value in his life to be desperate enough to seek pride in bits of data rather than in what he actually accomplishes. Again, it is a business, create a problem, accentuate it, sell the solution.

I think there is a serious misunderstanding here with regards to how the word “server” is used in this context. It clearly does not refer to the hardware that holds your characters data or to the data itself. It refers to the group of people (note people not toons) with whom you collaborate in order to achieve whatever the game’s goal is.
This pride is based on how you go about achieving this goal and to what extent you do achieve it. This is not much different to any other game we play for entertainment, be it chess or basketball. Do you not take pride when a team you play on does well? If not, then why would you want to play on a team?

As to the comparison to “real” accomplishments, I find it really irrelevant. Of couse I was several orders of magnitude more proud when I got my degrees or when I deliver a succesful project to a clinet than when Sfr beats Vizunah. One is professional life the other is entertainment.

Or to give you another example: Of course I was more happy when my nephew was born than when I won 100 pounds in the lottery. But that does not mean I was not happy when I won the 100 pounds neither does it make me desperate for being so. Being happy/proud/sad about something that is not monumental does not mean your life is devoid of other (perhaps more significant) “important” sources of happiness/pride/sadness. There is will always be a variety of small and large, or grave and light things that cause emotions- the existence of the largest ones does not mean you should not have emotions about anything else.

I hope you understand the distinction now and what we actually mean when we talk about server (team) pride in the context of a game.

Ricky.4706:

Best fix would be just have everyone log into a random server – kill guild loyalty too so we can be in complete chaos – pure pug – not being loyal to any guild would make that very fun to ME!! Forget your guild – I don’t care about them – I just want to kill stuff – it fits my mercenary role play. Pure Chaos!!!

In wow you had this kind of system, they tweaked it later on but essentially it was like this. Instead of faction u would have colors, red blue green.

In wow I hated my faction when it came to pvp we sucked, it wasnt till you found an organized team that it sucked less, I didnt change factions because the pve content on that server and faction appealed to me more.

In wow pvp you have:

Twinks (over geared players with bis items best enchants etc)best cookie cutter builds for pvp, loved murdering the Casuals, nubs, afker/leechers, and loved the tears finding it delicious.

Casuals loved to whine, hated twinks hated leechers and thought themselves superior in knowledge to nubs and twinks.

Nubs were just confused and did dumb things, and werent sure who to hate, so hated everyone!

And that was from your own team. not the opponents.

I can see that happening in wvw if such a system as you suggest were to be implemented.

server pride… in short coverage. once you lose all your guilds that hold prime time and night/morning cappers i want to see your “server pride”. and GvG is atm only way to mak e competitive WvW. capping the same keep for 183478th time is not competitive.

rhodoc.2381:

Server pride is something that any hardcore WvWers could not careless. I would prefer a distinction between PvE and WvW servers, resulting more room to balance sides.

*couldn’t careless

Server pride means nothing because WvW is 100% a casual game mode where the only thing that matters is population.

Pride in your server’s wins is basically pride at being the most populated server in the matchup (for like 99% of matchups – I know there have been a few nail-biters in the history of WvW but those are definitely the exception and not the norm).

That being said there’s definitely something about attachment to established communities. It’s usually guild-based, but some servers do have strong cores.

Gotmilk.2713:

rhodoc.2381:

Server pride is something that any hardcore WvWers could not careless. I would prefer a distinction between PvE and WvW servers, resulting more room to balance sides.

*couldn’t careless

Wow, lol….

Anyone with doubts about Server Pride should Just hop two sections down to the Matchup threads… Look beyond the trolling and you will see the passion of the people who post there… Read about Commanders staying tagged for 6 hours and more, despite being outmanned, owning nothing on the map.. Read about sentries who patrol Keeps and towers without any reward… And also the respect gained and given for great fights to both comrades and opponents.

And this is not Just T1, every server will have a community which will not transfer and turn up day after day no matter the odds.

Guild loyalty would also be a subset of Server loyalty IMO.. There’s no guild who stays on a server they don’t want to fight for.. Transfers happen, for whatever reason, but would someone go to a place where they did not want to stay? Not considering all those claims of guilds being bought.. maybe some guild gets help with transfer costs but all those numbers flying around are hilarious.. 500G from the BG war chest should become a Meme soon if this keeps up!

Also, there is no way there would be SO much drama there if people were not passionate about their Server :P And for every person who Gloats/QQ’s on the forums for his server, don’t forget there will be 5 others who just show up in the mists and contribute to the effort.

Yes there are fairweathers, bandwagoners and lots of other -er’s out there, but there are more than enough people out there who DO CARE about their server.

Server pride exists, and I would say it definitely goes above and beyond Balance, Skill, Win-Loss and Tiers. Else there would be just two or three matchup threads there where all the “Hardcore WvW’ers” go and fight 24×7.

Just my 2 cents.

For the Toast!!

ptitminou.6489:

We have a project… no a dream, of taking Sorrow’s Furnace to gold league one day. Not out of pride, not because we care, but because taking a server from 0 to hero is the challenge we chose. Because some people have friends in other guilds, because we don’t want to be seen as bandwagonners or server-hoppers, you know, the pathetic crowd who values winning over contributing to success, even if it means getting carried. That false sense of pride is only suitable for the insecure people.

We definitely do not look for a sense of self-importance, I mean, we know that just making the silver league will be extremely hard and that Gold is near-impossible, but you will never get to the moon if you don’t shoot for the stars!

We only hope that this project eventually proves that bandwagoning/stacking is not the only way up to those so miserable that they feel they always have to join the winning side to feel good about themselves realize the error of their ways. To show that some people can actually accomplish things if they dare try.

The problem with that line of logic is that bandwagoning IS the only way. No server “at the top” can honestly they that over the last 12 months they did not receive considerable transfers.

Also I would invite you to spend some considerable time on a T1 server, before you go falling in love with that style of play. I understand the sentiment of going 0-hero but realistically it is a pipe dream at best.

Equating PPT to success is a horrible way to play this game, 90% of people come to see that in the long run. The people that don’t, well they are sitting in queues on T1 where the population imbalances are not near as noticeable.

The problem with WvW is people do not like to group up and fight as much as they like to watch a ridiculous scoreboard.

There is such thing as server pride. Look at SoR. We have had Blackgate trying to buy our guilds since were their competition but very few to none of left SoR. All of our starting WvW guilds still stay and take 2nd place because we believe we can beat BG. For a time we did but BG bought more guilds. There is server pride some have it better then others.

Codmando.7042:

There is such thing as server pride. Look at SoR. We have had Blackgate trying to buy our guilds since were their competition but very few to none of left SoR. All of our starting WvW guilds still stay and take 2nd place because we believe we can beat BG. For a time we did but BG bought more guilds. There is server pride some have it better then others.

Sounds more like “Guild Pride” but I know what you mean. But you also have to remember that it is less likely Guilds would leave server 3 for server 1. But more likely they would leave server 20 for server 10. (just for examples)

Now that season 1 wvw has ended, how goes the server pride situation, did season 1 enhance, destroy the server community, or was it a barely felt ripple, lets ignore the poor rewards from all that grinding for the achievements.

PvE zerging WvW content improve server populations for all time slots?
More servers to play against refresh your server pride when defeating higher tiered servers?
Broken unions/Guilds leaving.
Renewed vigor?
A wash?
Fail group matchings?
Stronger community?

Ricky.4706:

-smile- you get my point.

That’s the cause of imbalance. its not good to play dungeons and dragons using quake rules. That’s like trying to mix dodgeball and chess – i mean sure …you could try…but…. lol.

i mean picture it

Player 1 : – knight c3 to king d1
Player 2: – slams ball on board bouncing it off the opponents face – Checkmate, I win!!

you mean this…

Show of hands on this thread for those that have played DAoC and know what realm pride means.

/hand

/points at BG video thread

Bits and pieces of pixels?

Those are real people behind those screens. They care. So I care. About the server, the guilds in it, and the people there.

That’s what kept me and my guild up until 4 AM Pacific Coast time for over a week hanging out in EB, not able to round up enough folks to take back SM, but making sure we could do whatever we could.

Was not about just winning. It was about winning for them.

I also take pride in the Fortune 20 company I retired from. Much like my server here, I admired the values it promoted both in the corporate world, their industry, and their commitment to helping community (local and worldwide).

But then, I belong to the one-quarter of the world’s population that values people and communities.

I’m just happy that my “home” here in GW2 is a server of like-minded folks.

I know there are other players and other servers that feel the same.

A lot of the people on my server are horrible but these forums and other servers’ in-game-performance keep reminding me that it would be even worse on [enter your server here]

Codmando.7042:

There is such thing as server pride. Look at SoR. We have had Blackgate trying to buy our guilds since were their competition but very few to none of left SoR. All of our starting WvW guilds still stay and take 2nd place because we believe we can beat BG. For a time we did but BG bought more guilds. There is server pride some have it better then others.

lol what a terrible excuse, but can’t say i’m surprised seeing it come from someone in SoR.

As much talk as there is on these forums, I have to say SoR has the most server pride out of any server in GW2. It’s a qualitative measurement, but from watching countless GW2 videos and reading through forums, SoR constantly shows up to defend itself as a realm rather than a guild.

I have pride being on FA. I left once and floated around a bit but I am so glad I came back.

I feel like our commanders are as good as they can be with the numbers we have.

And most ppl I play with won’t run from a fight, regardless of being outnumbered.

Crimson Riddles.3892:

Codmando.7042:

There is such thing as server pride. Look at SoR. We have had Blackgate trying to buy our guilds since were their competition but very few to none of left SoR. All of our starting WvW guilds still stay and take 2nd place because we believe we can beat BG. For a time we did but BG bought more guilds. There is server pride some have it better then others.

lol what a terrible excuse, but can’t say i’m surprised seeing it come from someone in SoR.

Think of it what you will, but I know of more than one guild on SoR that was offered funds to transfer (not necessarily to BG), and politely declined.

Server Pride?

On SFR there was a Server Pride until the Red Guard and other hopping Guilds or Player came to SFR and destroy the hole Community.

Many good Guild left SFR and now it is only a Server with a few old SFR Guilds or Players. Why should i be proud of the server when even the players on it just are some Gypsy which transfer on it with no will to fight for something?

So did Season 1 cause ripples of discontent? the urge to be in the number 1 tier, soaking in the glory?

Since servers are so unbalanced it isn’t an achievement to win so I don’t think there is any server pride. There is definitely guild pride, which is still good.

What causes imbalance?

Players who dont want to pvp wvw?
Server transfers?
Lack of experience?
Server population?
Lack of compelling content?
Lack of interest?
Experienced players migrating servers.?

How do you control that? Listing some servers as WvW.. PVE. RPG? will this further filter the types of players who would want to do these things and develop ties to it more strongly and create a community with pride in their server?

Reading these posts makes me thankful I’ve been on SOR since the game launched and not having to deal with this BS.