They need to scrap this 3 tier system in favor of the 12 server 2 league system like they are doing for the chinese version. I dont mind getting stomped for a week, but getting locked into 8 weeks of that……can’t imagine why multiple servers are not ppting.
Sadly this will fall on deaf ears, probably merged into some cdi to be more conviently ignored in favor of increased sales from transfers :/
Bender the offender – Proud violator of 17 safe spaces –
The tanking thing…it’s short sighted because all it does is buy you a 4 week reprieve. T2 will still be there after the tournament and it will annihilate you.
Right now your biggest hope is that FA continues it’s mission to kill the opponents with boredom, a frighteningly effective strategy.
Anyhow, there’s no way this turns out ok for T3. You will have a rotating hotseat of death into T2 after the tournament so putting off the pain is not helping your situation.
The tanking thing…it’s short sighted because all it does is buy you a 4 week reprieve. T2 will still be there after the tournament and it will annihilate you.
Right now your biggest hope is that FA continues it’s mission to kill the opponents with boredom, a frighteningly effective strategy.
Anyhow, there’s no way this turns out ok for T3. You will have a rotating hotseat of death into T2 after the tournament so putting off the pain is not helping your situation.
This was pretty much my point too. Will they tank all their life to avoid T2? It won’t become less of a problem once the tournament is gone.
The tanking thing…it’s short sighted because all it does is buy you a 4 week reprieve. T2 will still be there after the tournament and it will annihilate you.
Right now your biggest hope is that FA continues it’s mission to kill the opponents with boredom, a frighteningly effective strategy.
Anyhow, there’s no way this turns out ok for T3. You will have a rotating hotseat of death into T2 after the tournament so putting off the pain is not helping your situation.
This was pretty much my point too. Will they tank all their life to avoid T2? It won’t become less of a problem once the tournament is gone.
The problem is it won’t be just 4 weeks. We’ll get trapped in T2 hell for perhaps months with the way Glicko works.
The T3 server who goes to Gold is going to gain rating and the T3 servers may lose rating because they’ll be playing T5 servers and “not beating them enough”.
If Anet would freeze Glicko ratings during the tournament that would make it better. But even if they had the ability I doubt they would because WvW is just an afterthought.
Agree with Pixie too, SoS why don’t you destack so we don’t have to tank to avoid you?
Because our servers are actually pretty well populated in NA right now.
Other people play outside of NA.
Yes, our time slots outside of NA aren’t as populated. But you know what, they’re mainly even fights still between T3-T4, even though we all lack numbers. There’s really zero incentive for our off-hours population to want to move up to T2 unless they want to get run over by far larger groups constantly.
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A hotseat is fastly preferable to being locked into weeks of being karma trained and spawncamped by servers with fastly superior coverage.
Instead of the ‘we need a whipping boy for T2’ approach, SoS could destack it’s OCX a little to go to a server that has the NA to compete.
That’s not going to happen, ofcourse. All those free caps!
If our night crew were to ever leave it would be upwards, not downwards. We’d still. E the home servers for the large number of PvX style OCX so this pipe dream that somehow our WvW focused nighttime players like PvD and will transfer downwards isn’t going to happen.
One of two bad things will happen:
1. We lose some people but still remain in T2. With less of an advantage we’d seek to recruit more NA to compete with FA and the two will be so closely balanced that they will need to savagely destroy the 3rd server to win.
2. We implode and not one but TWO of you poor kittens get the hotseat for the future and Season 4
So if you are serious about staying out of Gold you should be toasting our success before every meal.
Don’t worry whether you are tanking or taking an extended two week break before the tourney, you won’t be popular choices for competitive guilds anymore.
Just the slight perception of tanking screwed over FA. All of T3 will look like a shore in Jersey to anyone looking for a serious home.
Well, as much as I never take Chris seriously on anything, he does have a point. A lot of t3 servers probably have the perception to stay out of gold and let t2 be on its merry way but it imploded, and we’re left to clean the mess. We’ve already had the crap before when they were 7 gold league servers and one of them would always come down and beat on whoever was on t3. Now with Mag out of the equation, someone’s going to go up and most likely be crushed. I really wished t2 would have lasted forever, so t3/t4 would have all these nice matchups too. In a way, it’s pretty kitten ed hard for us to be sympathetic.
However, reality is reality. I blame Anet’s stagnant wvw (stale maps forever) for killing the population and fact of the matter is that like it or not, someone from t3 is moving up, and they’re going to have to deal with it. If Mag drops down to t3 next week and someone gets moved up, then no amount of tanking is going to save anyone. When one’s at the mercy of the RNG, they need to be able to deal with any worst possible scenario, and digging heads into the sand isn’t going to help anyone. And if we were thrust into this scenario would you still want to be perceived as someone that just gets shot in the back like an EOTM’er or at least do something about it? Well, I guess one could just tuck their tail and transfer too.
Sooner or later…
For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards,
for there you have been and there you will long to return.
If Mag drops down to t3 next week and someone gets moved up, then no amount of tanking is going to save anyone. When one’s at the mercy of the RNG, they need to be able to deal with any worst possible scenario, and digging heads into the sand isn’t going to help anyone.
Third play-through for WvW tourneys, and people still don’t remember how the match making for it works.
The week prior to the first tournament match is not thrown away and ignored. Its results for glicko are calculated before the tournament week 1 match is configured.
The match results that are calculated on Sept. 12th will determine the leaderboard for league placement. That means Maguuma has 2 more end-of-match rating losses (not 1) before it is settled into Silver League for the tournament.
Maguuma will lose more glicko rating next week (Sept. 5-12) regardless of where it is placed for that match. The most likely outcome is that one of the servers below rank #6 today will be seeded as #6 for the tournament. The only random factor is selection of exactly which one, because their ratings are so near each other.
A hotseat is fastly preferable to being locked into weeks of being karma trained and spawncamped by servers with fastly superior coverage.
Instead of the ‘we need a whipping boy for T2’ approach, SoS could destack it’s OCX a little to go to a server that has the NA to compete.
That’s not going to happen, ofcourse. All those free caps!
If our night crew were to ever leave it would be upwards, not downwards. We’d still. E the home servers for the large number of PvX style OCX so this pipe dream that somehow our WvW focused nighttime players like PvD and will transfer downwards isn’t going to happen.
One of two bad things will happen:
1. We lose some people but still remain in T2. With less of an advantage we’d seek to recruit more NA to compete with FA and the two will be so closely balanced that they will need to savagely destroy the 3rd server to win.
2. We implode and not one but TWO of you poor kittens get the hotseat for the future and Season 4
So if you are serious about staying out of Gold you should be toasting our success before every meal.
The OCX destacking would go to a server then able to compete inT2 and actually have fights vs SoS/FA. You get to rebalance your own tier. And yet you’re not interested?
That’s fine, but please stop with the ‘T3 needs to step up’ when you’re well aware that the only competitive coverage is in the top 4-5 servers.
If Mag drops down to t3 next week and someone gets moved up, then no amount of tanking is going to save anyone. When one’s at the mercy of the RNG, they need to be able to deal with any worst possible scenario, and digging heads into the sand isn’t going to help anyone.
Third play-through for WvW tourneys, and people still don’t remember how the match making for it works.
The week prior to the first tournament match is not thrown away and ignored. Its results for glicko are calculated before the tournament week 1 match is configured.
The match results that are calculated on Sept. 12th will determine the leaderboard for league placement. That means Maguuma has 2 more end-of-match rating losses (not 1) before it is settled into Silver League for the tournament.
Maguuma will lose more glicko rating next week (Sept. 5-12) regardless of where it is placed for that match. The most likely outcome is that one of the servers below rank #6 today will be seeded as #6 for the tournament. The only random factor is selection of exactly which one, because their ratings are so near each other.
Not sure if you’re first sentence is directed at the person you quoted but you’re both saying the same thing.
There are five T3 servers right now: DB, CD, SBI, YB and DR.
If Mag drops down to fight in a match against T3 servers next week, then one of the above named T3 server is definitely going to Gold when ratings are calculated on Sept. 12th. Either one of the two servers facing Mag in that match next week or the T3 server who moved up to face FA and SoS. No amount of tanking will prevent it.
If Mag does not drop down next week then it is not as clear. It will depend on how bad Mag loses in its match and the T3/T4 matches and how they turn out.
The OCX destacking would go to a server then able to compete inT2 and actually have fights vs SoS/FA. You get to rebalance your own tier. And yet you’re not interested?
That’s fine, but please stop with the ‘T3 needs to step up’ when you’re well aware that the only competitive coverage is in the top 4-5 servers.
SNIP
Destacking implies intentional stacking, many of the OCX players on SoS have simply been there the whole time.
It is good that you are loyal to SNIP and emotionally attached to your server, odd that you do not appear to think anyone else is or should be….
None of this means you are wrong in your basic statement, it is after all your opinion and carries exactly the same weight as any other individual opinion.
I find it really hard to believe that no silver servers are pushing up for gold, where they would be destroyed by SoS and absolutely annihilated by BG/JQ/TC…..
Yeah hard to believe people are actively avoiding that…..
I find it really hard to believe that no silver servers are pushing up for gold, where they would be destroyed by SoS and absolutely annihilated by BG/JQ/TC…..
Yeah hard to believe people are actively avoiding that…..
What I truly find hard to believe is being willing to actively avoid that forever. Once the tourney will be over the same problem will remain… This “solution”, isn’t one.
What I truly find hard to believe is being willing to actively avoid that forever. Once the tourney will be over the same problem will remain… This “solution”, isn’t one.
Tournament has rewards so the stakes are higher.
The word “tournament” makes it look a lot more serious, and is one of the prime times for players and guilds to come and go.
Tournament locks teams with no chance of moving back down after a week.
Many would be okay being stuck in a bad spot for 1 week, but not 4 weeks. It’s probably the tiers and locks more than anything. The reward structure and calling it a “tournament” don’t help either.
Content in this game will always seem
to be faceroll at the high levels, because it
needs to be accessible to the casuals and bads.
There’s no system that works when the populations are this skewed to the top. Nobody wants the last spot in gold because they will be crushed by SoS, let alone any T1 server and it won’t be remotely close. They need to make it 12/12 or something, at least servers in the 5-6 spot won’t be stuck in purgatory for an entire month that way.
The word “tournament” makes it look a lot more serious, and is one of the prime times for players and guilds to come and go.
Tournament locks teams with no chance of moving back down after a week.
Many would be okay being stuck in a bad spot for 1 week, but not 4 weeks. It’s probably the tiers and locks more than anything. The reward structure and calling it a “tournament” don’t help either.
Not to mention that it will actually be more than 4 weeks. Possibly a lot more.
Once a T3 server is stuck for the tournament for 4 weeks their Glicko will climb quite a bit. The t3 servers are going to lose rating from playing T5 servers. Then after the tourney, it’ll be hard for them to fall back to the level where they can get swapped in and out of T3.
It’s always amazing to see just how much people are willing to rationalize to preserve their ego. A-net sure has it’s faults in this but I hope you guys realize you are part of the problem too… Be the change you want to see in the world is something too few apply apparently (not just aiming you btw).
We are being the change in our world to prevent the destruction of our servers. Whatever T3 server gets stuck in that #6 spot will get destroyed and possibly never recover from it. If CD wants to go for it let them. DB knows what happened to us when we got stuck in #6 last season.
We tank to protect our communities. That’s pretty much the complete opposite of an ego. Wouldn’t you want to protect the competitive spirit of your server?
PS: we tanked enough ELO so we can keep fighting this week. DB had a 500 PPT on saturday afternoon. That’s saying that we’re in control, not random glicko.
It’s always amazing to see just how much people are willing to rationalize to preserve their ego. A-net sure has it’s faults in this but I hope you guys realize you are part of the problem too… Be the change you want to see in the world is something too few apply apparently (not just aiming you btw).
It’s always amazing to see just how much people are willing to rationalize to preserve their ego. A-net sure has it’s faults in this but I hope you guys realize you are part of the problem too… Be the change you want to see in the world is something too few apply apparently (not just aiming you btw).
Have fun on Magu…owait you jumped ship and changed servers!
Avoidance really is a habit of yours and not just when you decide to tank your score… Instead of facing the issue you chose to attack the poster (me), and on baseless ground at that. Can you even begin to argue your links relevance? Seriously?
BTW, I changed server because Mag would no longer even try to fight, not because we were loosing and were outnumbered all the time. If loosing or winning was so important to me I would not have endure so long and gone through the last 2 seasons knowing from start that we would never have any hope of winning. It was fun being in Mag. It really was. But at some point things have changed quite a bit in the community and I finally decided that if nobody would care I could still decide to put up with the kittenty attitude or be done with it.
I understand it is not fun to feel judged and that I do judge here, sorry, but it doesn’t change what I’ve said nor the value of it. I’m pretty tired of the mentality several of you uphold and the problem it causes in communities. Heck, I went away from Mag in part BECAUSE of the collateral of the tanking strategy. I didn’t wanted to go away from my friends and pay 1800 kittening gems to take a chance of finding a better community. It was just THAT bad for too long and these macro-manipulations as a “solution” to the real problem is a joke. You solve very little by adopting this strategy except postpone the inevitable at the cost of putting quite a lot of stress on the server’s community.
BTW, I changed server because Mag would no longer even try to fight, not because we were loosing and were outnumbered all the time. If loosing or winning was so important to me I would not have endure so long and gone through the last 2 seasons knowing from start that we would never have any hope of winning. It was fun being in Mag. It really was. But at some point things have changed quite a bit in the community and I finally decided that if nobody would care I could still decide to put up with the kittenty attitude or be done with it.
I understand it is not fun to feel judged and that I do judge here, sorry, but it doesn’t change what I’ve said nor the value of it. I’m pretty tired of the mentality several of you uphold and the problem it causes in communities. Heck, I went away from Mag in part BECAUSE of the collateral of the tanking strategy. I didn’t wanted to go away from my friends and pay 1800 kittening gems to take a chance of finding a better community. It was just THAT bad for too long and these macro-manipulations as a “solution” to the real problem is a joke. You solve very little by adopting this strategy except postpone the inevitable at the cost of putting quite a lot of stress on the server’s community.
As far as the relevance of the links, they call into question your moral high ground and the validity of your judgment, which is why I and others will and will continue to ridicule you when you continue to pass said judgment. If you still don’t get it, send me a PM for elaboration.
Content in this game will always seem
to be faceroll at the high levels, because it
needs to be accessible to the casuals and bads.
It’s always amazing to see just how much people are willing to rationalize to preserve their ego. A-net sure has it’s faults in this but I hope you guys realize you are part of the problem too… Be the change you want to see in the world is something too few apply apparently (not just aiming you btw).
Have fun on Magu…owait you jumped ship and changed servers!
Avoidance really is a habit of yours and not just when you decide to tank your score… Instead of facing the issue you chose to attack the poster (me), and on baseless ground at that. Can you even begin to argue your links relevance? Seriously?
BTW, I changed server because Mag would no longer even try to fight, not because we were loosing and were outnumbered all the time. If loosing or winning was so important to me I would not have endure so long and gone through the last 2 seasons knowing from start that we would never have any hope of winning. It was fun being in Mag. It really was. But at some point things have changed quite a bit in the community and I finally decided that if nobody would care I could still decide to put up with the kittenty attitude or be done with it.
I understand it is not fun to feel judged and that I do judge here, sorry, but it doesn’t change what I’ve said nor the value of it. I’m pretty tired of the mentality several of you uphold and the problem it causes in communities. Heck, I went away from Mag in part BECAUSE of the collateral of the tanking strategy. I didn’t wanted to go away from my friends and pay 1800 kittening gems to take a chance of finding a better community. It was just THAT bad for too long and these macro-manipulations as a “solution” to the real problem is a joke. You solve very little by adopting this strategy except postpone the inevitable at the cost of putting quite a lot of stress on the server’s community.
You are going to be kitten ed if you do or kitten ed if you don’t – some will leave if you tank and some will leave if you end up overmatched for an extended period of time. I think that most think the second choice is more damaging, but who really knows…..
BTW, I changed server because Mag would no longer even try to fight, not because we were loosing and were outnumbered all the time. If loosing or winning was so important to me I would not have endure so long and gone through the last 2 seasons knowing from start that we would never have any hope of winning. It was fun being in Mag. It really was. But at some point things have changed quite a bit in the community and I finally decided that if nobody would care I could still decide to put up with the kittenty attitude or be done with it.
I understand it is not fun to feel judged and that I do judge here, sorry, but it doesn’t change what I’ve said nor the value of it. I’m pretty tired of the mentality several of you uphold and the problem it causes in communities. Heck, I went away from Mag in part BECAUSE of the collateral of the tanking strategy. I didn’t wanted to go away from my friends and pay 1800 kittening gems to take a chance of finding a better community. It was just THAT bad for too long and these macro-manipulations as a “solution” to the real problem is a joke. You solve very little by adopting this strategy except postpone the inevitable at the cost of putting quite a lot of stress on the server’s community.
As far as the relevance of the links, they call into question your moral high ground and the validity of your judgment, which is why I and others will and will continue to ridicule you when you continue to pass said judgment. If you still don’t get it, send me a PM for elaboration.
No PM. I’m sure you can elaborate the relevance of your public “ridicule” attempt toward me publicly.
Even if you cast aside the “moral high-ground”, that is not the crux of the matter at all, the point about the strategy not being viable still stand. It’s not about it being “bad” vs “good”. It’s about how it causes tons of problems and achieve nothing in the long run. What happens if everybody decide they have to tank because if they don’t THEY will move somewhere they don’t want to? Are we entering a new “cold- war” MAD scenario where all involved parties are locked into a situation they can’t defused for fear of what might happen if they try to? This is something that is unsustainable and stressful. Moral judgement aside.
None of us (or you, apparently, by switching servers) is willing to be a martyr and take the suffering for everyone else. This is a video game after all.
ANet deserves all of the scorn for repeatedly making circumstances ideal for tanking, and not making the adequate adjustments to prevent this in the future. These structures are in place to support selling gems and server transfers (you should know all about this), and so they will get the bad with the good.
tl;dr—We will not be martyrs for you. The ball is in ANet’s court, not ours.
EDIT: Your MAD situation isn’t applicable here. Our “nukes” are not that destructive nor that permanent, and ANet has the ability to intervene. We’re happy to nuke and continue nuking so long as the status quo is in place.
Content in this game will always seem
to be faceroll at the high levels, because it
needs to be accessible to the casuals and bads.
The server rankings should be locked into place at the time that the new tournament is announced. Transfers should also be locked at that point. If people wanted to switch, they should have done so before the announcement versus to stack a server just for a tournament. Good hunting!
The server rankings should be locked into place at the time that the new tournament is announced. Transfers should also be locked at that point. If people wanted to switch, they should have done so before the announcement versus to stack a server just for a tournament. Good hunting!
This makes the assumption that players will continue to play if they cannot move. Removing player choice is far worse than the current system where players can transfer if they aren’t having fun.
For players locked into a T2 dog pile for a month, they are likely to find other pastures. Oh and before everyone in a comfy tier starts yelling good riddance we already have enough problems keeping the servers populated. Losing players today means less kills tomorrow.
Sarcasm For Hire [SFH]
“Youre lips are movin and youre complaining about something thats wingeing.”
Some of you are making blind assumptions and using that to make blind accusations. Just saying.
In some cases thought, a lot of the players/guilds that play many hours a week in WvW take the week or two off so they are not burnt out when they hit WvW hard during seasons.
The tanking thing…it’s short sighted because all it does is buy you a 4 week reprieve. T2 will still be there after the tournament and it will annihilate you.
Right now your biggest hope is that FA continues it’s mission to kill the opponents with boredom, a frighteningly effective strategy.
Anyhow, there’s no way this turns out ok for T3. You will have a rotating hotseat of death into T2 after the tournament so putting off the pain is not helping your situation.
How’s that short-sighted?
Terrible matches now, or terrible matches in 4 weeks. The end result is the same, it’s just that the T3 servers not pushing now have a better chance to enjoy the game for 4 more weeks before it’s all over.
Are you suggesting we quit the game early to be less ‘short-sighted’?
T2 is dead. There’s no saving it outside of a chunk of SoS moving up to T1 out of boredom. I’m surprised it hasn’t happened yet, you would think anyone remotely interested in actually playing WvW on that server would have left it by now.
T2 is dead. There’s no saving it outside of a chunk of SoS moving up to T1 out of boredom. I’m surprised it hasn’t happened yet, you would think anyone remotely interested in actually playing WvW on that server would have left it by now.
From the outside SoS is a pretty zerg driven server so I am not surprised they have avoided redistributing their population. Zergs like to roll over smaller groups and PvDoor. There are obviously several SoS skill groups and roamers looking for fights but FA and even Mag on reset often put up a strong fight. Heck FA was winning for part of this weeks match.
Sarcasm For Hire [SFH]
“Youre lips are movin and youre complaining about something thats wingeing.”
T2 is dead. There’s no saving it outside of a chunk of SoS moving up to T1 out of boredom. I’m surprised it hasn’t happened yet, you would think anyone remotely interested in actually playing WvW on that server would have left it by now.
But it’s fun to beat down doors 18 hours a day and cap out every map on a daily basis…
The NA ladder from T1 through T4 is completely screwed right now because of the situation in T2. SoS can’t get into T1, even if they wanted to because GLICKO RATINGS DO NOT WORK (sincere capitals), T3 doesn’t want to be in T2, and T4 is effectively the bounce tier to go up and do the same tanking in T3…
T2 is dead. There’s no saving it outside of a chunk of SoS moving up to T1 out of boredom. I’m surprised it hasn’t happened yet, you would think anyone remotely interested in actually playing WvW on that server would have left it by now.
Stop spreading this slanderous rumor. The only thing dead about T2 is Maguuma.
Honestly I would tank out of gold just because I don’t wanna fight 100 man zergs 24 7. I don’t understand why some people don’t get that. There are still a lot of wvw players that don’t wanna fight like that. That doesn’t mean they wanna fight pvd which happens at times but it’s still a fair trade for not having to be in tier 1 or 2. Personally I have been on every tier from 1 to 7 and the best fights and match ups I ever saw were on tiers 4 and 5.
Personally I have been on every tier from 1 to 7 and the best fights and match ups I ever saw were on tiers 4 and 5.
Are you an NA Prime player by chance?
Yes. And I understand that there isn’t much out side of prime time but seeing as most people play during prime time (hence the name) it still applies in a general sense
If SoS OCX doesn’t want to destack because of server pride, good for them. But that completely invalidates any complaints from SoS about tanking.
You have enough playing OCX to compete with our (T3) NA for crying out loud. Don’t expect anyone to sign up to months of being karmatrained so you can have a whipping boy.
Chuckles79 from SoS has already stated on that other forum that YB would be focused by FA/SoS if we ever moved up. So if SoS server representatives actively discourage T3 servers moving up, then what are we even taking about?
So if SoS server representatives actively discourage T3 servers moving up, then what are we even taking about?
Just YB…. just YB…
Yeah, besides; you tanked so hard you fell out of T3 so I think you don’t have to worry about it.
No one on FA or SoS can promise how long any honeymoon period may last but no one is eager to focus on any of the potential 6th place servers.
Might I add that if one of you had pushed hard instead of holding back and had made sure that Maguuma had dropped down either this current week or next week; that one of the servers left would have been sure to take the 6th place spot.
