Personally I have been on every tier from 1 to 7 and the best fights and match ups I ever saw were on tiers 4 and 5.
Are you an NA Prime player by chance?
Yes. And I understand that there isn’t much out side of prime time but seeing as most people play during prime time (hence the name) it still applies in a general sense
Yep, the NA prime players do get fun matches.
In my experience, during season 2 there wasn’t much outside of NA prime for late PST players/early OCX below T2 unless the EST players decided to stay up late. FA’s just on the cusp of that currently it seems. The number of players SoS has out during late PST means plenty of enemies to fight against for me, even knowing that after I log everything will be gone. Mag doesn’t have it anymore. That’s why off-prime players have been aggregating into T1. It’s hard to get good match-ups for the OCX/SEA/EU primes when those populations are spread out on servers that won’t match each other often, even harder to play off-prime.
many of the OCX players on SoS have simply been there the whole time.
This is too true. SInce pre-launch, through the ups and the downs.
The tournament will shake things around a bit and SoS OCX will have some competition in match ups against JQ/BG/TC. Looking forward to it.
At some point players realize that the state of WvWvW two years since launch are not the same as when they first started playing.
WvW is changing all the time. If you remember first six months or so of game were hugely turbulent. I remember when T1 was way ahead of T2 and IoJ were the “gatekeepers” with aspirations of T1.
At different times there have been substantial OCX/SEA and/or EU across FA, DB, SoR, IOJ (especially), KN, SBI and so on. Players move around all the time, including to/from SoS. But some of us have always been on SoS (which was originally the “oceanic server”) and see no incentive to move.
I will say that greater variety of match ups are needed. T2 has been together for 8 weeks now.
Players move around all the time, including to/from SoS.
It’s not just that. Players are leaving the game.
It’s not just that. Players are leaving the game.
The Gamescom 2014 interview with Devon Carver has Devon saying that the WvW population is stable, so apparently ANet isn’t seeing big changes in the number of people playing WvW.
It’s not just that. Players are leaving the game.
The Gamescom 2014 interview with Devon Carver has Devon saying that the WvW population is stable, so apparently ANet isn’t seeing big changes in the number of people playing WvW.
If you were to chart the numbers of players who play WvW >80% of the time, you’d see sharp spikes downward at the end of each WvW season.
I’ve lost count of how many guilds that were around since the beginning who make a last gasp transfer then fade away; or just fade period.
probably they count teh EOTM karma train as wvw population
Personally i think we should punish people for NOT tanking.
the results of any of the T3-level servers moving to gold are indisputable.
You will get recked for 4 weeks by ALL the T1 servers, then you will get recked for another 4 weeks by SOS scrubmuffins, then you will PRAY to the RNG gods that you end up in T3, which may not happen because theyll all be trying to avoid taking your place.
The result of those 8 weeks is that most players on your server will have a miserable time and many guilds will leave you. its not debatable. its whats going to happen. you dont leave it stronger for the experience no matter what you tell yourself.
Not tanking is the ugliest, most selfish thing you can do to your server. Keep riding the karma train and telling everyone your self righteous nonsense about how you should always play to win, the truth is you played for karma and wvw rank like a true PvE’r regardless of what misery it would bring to the server you pretend to care for.
(this is only half-serious. obviously no one should be punished for playing the game as intended. the post is directed at the people who are mad at the tankers without accepting that they themselves are hurting their community).
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The tanking in the charts is visibly extreme. We’re going to end up with situations where manipulators win again while the legit ones get turned into loot bags
I don’t blame players, mind. It’s natural to do what benefits you the most, any concepts like ‘honor and glory’ are really very, very unnatural behaviours.
On the other hand, there’s someone we can look to who should have prevented this, and did not.
Who doesn’t like to have their keeps T3/WP’d by the enemy for those extra long runs? Who doesn’t like to fight 2v1 under a mountain of enemy siege at their sides keep? Who doesn’t want to spend a month trying to find a 4v1 that isn’t under siege because that is the closest to a fair fight as you will find?
I know I will miss when 10+ guys run me down and then jump on my body like it is some sort of accomplishment (which happened over a dozen times last night). Welcome to the bottom of T2… call me when you get here and we can swap stores about honorable play and not tanking to avoid this situation.
Who doesn’t like to have their keeps T3/WP’d by the enemy for those extra long runs? Who doesn’t like to fight 2v1 under a mountain of enemy siege at their sides keep? Who doesn’t want to spend a month trying to find a 4v1 that isn’t under siege because that is the closest to a fair fight as you will find?
I know I will miss when 10+ guys run me down and then jump on my body like it is some sort of accomplishment (which happened over a dozen times last night). Welcome to the bottom of T2… call me when you get here and we can swap stores about honorable play and not tanking to avoid this situation.
This is a strawman… Nobody say it is fun to be wrecked. I sure as hell didn’t even implied it. Heck, I was on Mag until a few days ago so I sure know a little about it… I merely said the strategy is unsustainable and, if applied by all, would amount to nothing on top of being boring to death in an arguably worst way than being rolled over while fighting.
probably they count teh EOTM karma train as wvw population
That may very well be the case, but it suggests a serious disconnect between the perception by WvW players that the population is declining and ANet saying that the population is stable.
The appearance of even matches pre-season in T3-4 is only an illusion. The tournament will consist of four matches where a server’s full force shows up in WvWvW on overdrive.
I’d personally rather be spanked bad by a zerg 24/7 than play like that. But even if you prefer the alternative, there is no debate about it being pretty bad and sad and, most of all, unsustainable.
Would you really? Can you say the same for your new server or even old one? Can you say the same for the majority of players? Can you say for sure the server that goes to Gold will remain as they are and won’t suffer from it?
It is pretty obvious that the servers tanking are concerned about their base players and community. It is a high stake, if the community is really tight, they can survive the upcoming stomp; if not they will dissolve just like as it happened to so many servers in the past, which some haven’t been able to recover since then.
I think it is safe to assume that at this point the majority plays this game for fun and there is so much fun you can find being spawn camped and have 0 belongings in all 4 maps besides discouraged players. The server that have the lead, will probably maintain their PvE players at least until they finish their achievements, more advantage for them. The same won’t happen to the server that is being dominated though.
It is easy to say those servers are doing a disservice tanking while sitting in higher grounds. Let their own community decide and do whatever they want and think is best for them, because they are the ones that holds the knowledge about it, if they are structured enough for hardships or not and not someone from outside.
This is a strawman… Nobody say it is fun to be wrecked. I sure as hell didn’t even implied it. Heck, I was on Mag until a few days ago so I sure know a little about it… I merely said the strategy is unsustainable and, if applied by all, would amount to nothing on top of being boring to death in an arguably worst way than being rolled over while fighting.
Translation: guys fight hard to get wrecked in T2 while I transfer myself out of it! Endure your predicament while I leave mine! The hypocrisy and the justification coming from you is just sad.
Nobody ever said the strategy had to be applied by all, so this is a strawman on your end. The situation right now similar to a Nash equilibrium where optimal strategies are mixes of things. And as I’ve said before, this is not a self-regulating system. If things get bad enough ANet will come in and intervene. And, frankly, that’s what quite a few people here want to see.
This is a strawman… Nobody say it is fun to be wrecked. I sure as hell didn’t even implied it. Heck, I was on Mag until a few days ago so I sure know a little about it…
There are two reasons to avoid being the “bottom” of Gold. The first is the rewards are less, but more importantly IMO is that whichever server lands here will experience a prison train for a month.
My comments speak to the later and are not a straw man argument. What I am saying really is the current state of T2 and a clear statement as to why all T3 servers should avoid moving up. Simply put, there is absolutely no advantage or even a decent reason to move up until T2 populations stabilize.
In all likelihood, T2 populations won’t stabilize until Mag drops. There’s just no way to stabilize in 3-way matches with only 2 servers.
In all likelihood, T2 populations won’t stabilize until Mag drops. There’s just no way to stabilize in 3-way matches with only 2 servers.
I disagree. If T2 remains locked the way it is, skilled players looking for fights will migrate from SoS. As much as it sucks being on Mag right now for many on SoS it isn’t much better as the number of fights has dropped significantly. Even if a T3 server moves up, it will breath life into the tier for a week or two until they are rolled over and sent back down.
They’re already migrating from SoS.
They’re already migrating from SoS.
The reason many are migrating was because there were many that sounded like the T3 voices here. “We have a good match. We don’t want to face the numbers of the next tier up.” By the time people stopped dawdling and realized we should push, people had already gotten bored and left.
FA was looking strong until a rumor that T1 guilds were looking to transfer there and push them up got started. They stopped in their tracks, lost their momentum, and still haven’t gotten it back.
October 10th, mark the date. The season will be over, they’ll be a rotating door into T2 and your guilds that take themselves seriously will probably have great excuses when they transfer off.
This is a strawman… Nobody say it is fun to be wrecked. I sure as hell didn’t even implied it. Heck, I was on Mag until a few days ago so I sure know a little about it… I merely said the strategy is unsustainable and, if applied by all, would amount to nothing on top of being boring to death in an arguably worst way than being rolled over while fighting.
Translation: guys fight hard to get wrecked in T2 while I transfer myself out of it! Endure your predicament while I leave mine! The hypocrisy and the justification coming from you is just sad.
Nobody ever said the strategy
had to be applied by all, so this is a strawman on your end. The situation right now similar to a Nash equilibrium where optimal strategies are mixes of things. And as I’ve said before, this is not a self-regulating system. If things get bad enough ANet will come in and intervene. And, frankly, that’s what quite a few people here want to see.
In case you hadn’t been paying attention, I was answering to a poster who was telling others that NOT tanking was ugly and selfish for our servers. Therefore, if all were to behave in a beautiful and selfless manner according to the “philosophy” proposed, the strategy would be one huge waste of time on top of being a major pain in many @sses. The fact is, that particular strategy can only possibly work if not everybody follow it otherwise, how do you tank relatively to others?
As for the strawman, it was a strawman because it was hugely implying that those who were against the tanking were saying all the things the other poster was saying (sarcastically saying it’s fun to have your T3 keep wp and being trashed in 1 vs X etc.)… which was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off. It’s easy to try and make others look ridiculous when you manufacture what they say as opposed to what they actually say (the definition of a strawman).
I’d personally rather be spanked bad by a zerg 24/7 than play like that. But even if you prefer the alternative, there is no debate about it being pretty bad and sad and, most of all, unsustainable.
Would you really? Can you say the same for your new server or even old one? Can you say the same for the majority of players? Can you say for sure the server that goes to Gold will remain as they are and won’t suffer from it?
It is pretty obvious that the servers tanking are concerned about their base players and community. It is a high stake, if the community is really tight, they can survive the upcoming stomp; if not they will dissolve just like as it happened to so many servers in the past, which some haven’t been able to recover since then.
I think it is safe to assume that at this point the majority plays this game for fun and there is so much fun you can find being spawn camped and have 0 belongings in all 4 maps besides discouraged players. The server that have the lead, will probably maintain their PvE players at least until they finish their achievements, more advantage for them. The same won’t happen to the server that is being dominated though.
It is easy to say those servers are doing a disservice tanking while sitting in higher grounds. Let their own community decide and do whatever they want and think is best for them, because they are the ones that holds the knowledge about it, if they are structured enough for hardships or not and not someone from outside.
I don’t know what your problem is with my answer. I repeat: YES between being stomped into a crater fighting and tanking I prefer fighting. I spent 2 years on Mag… My moving into another server is not related to winning fights and making easy karma. If that was the case I wouldn’t have moved to SoR now would I? We are actually pretty well zerged by Sorrow Furnace ATM to be honest and regularly outnumbered. The reason I chose that place, again, was to find a community where I felt comfortable as opposed to one with a kittenty attitude. An attitude I can perceive in many here might I add.
In case you hadn’t been paying attention, I was answering to a poster who was telling others that NOT tanking was ugly and selfish for our servers. Therefore, if all were to behave in a beautiful and selfless manner according to the “philosophy” proposed, the strategy would be one huge waste of time on top of being a major pain in many @sses. The fact is, that particular strategy can only possibly work if not everybody follow it otherwise, how do you tank relatively to others?
As for the strawman, it was a strawman because it was hugely implying that those who were against the tanking were saying all the things the other poster was saying (sarcastically saying it’s fun to have your T3 keep wp and being trashed in 1 vs X etc.)… which was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off. It’s easy to try and make others look ridiculous when you manufacture what they say as opposed to what they actually say (the definition of a strawman).
I thought it was clear that you were being judged here by all of your actions and posts in this thread, not just the one quoted. Additionally nobody is questioning your strawman accusation of the troll post, so you don’t need to write a paragraph defending it.
Before you continue down this “all or nothing” narrative on tanking, do you even know what Nash equilibriums are? There is actually very little outside of theory that has all-or-nothing approaches being the most optimal.
I’ll continue to leave this here. I look forward to seeing the continued ironic hypocrisy from your underinformed and naive ideals.
It’s always amazing to see just how much people are willing to rationalize to preserve their ego.
Of course that all assumes that the assumptions being made to arrive at said decisions are ultimately correct, having been based in facts as much as possible rather than fears.
It doesn’t matter, everyone is going to pve for all the great new features ! Oh wait…..
They’re already migrating from SoS.
The reason many are migrating was because there were many that sounded like the T3 voices here. “We have a good match. We don’t want to face the numbers of the next tier up.” By the time people stopped dawdling and realized we should push, people had already gotten bored and left.
That’s half true. SoS did have that going on in its PPT guilds.
SoS fights (particularly GvG) guilds argued against tier 1 push for one reason only. Their friends and frenemies were on FA and Mag, and they wanted to stay in tier 2 for the daily NA fights and gvg matches.
Those same people and guilds are now filtering into tier 1, not just to get away from PPT boredom of the new tier 2, but rather it is mainly for the fact that all of their peers (the fighters and gvg guilds they want to compete with) are agreeing that tier 1 is now the only stable place where they can make that happen for a little bit longer.
They’re going to tier 1 to play out their remaining time in GW2.
In case you hadn’t been paying attention, I was answering to a poster who was telling others that NOT tanking was ugly and selfish for our servers. Therefore, if all were to behave in a beautiful and selfless manner according to the “philosophy” proposed, the strategy would be one huge waste of time on top of being a major pain in many @sses. The fact is, that particular strategy can only possibly work if not everybody follow it otherwise, how do you tank relatively to others?
As for the strawman, it was a strawman because it was hugely implying that those who were against the tanking were saying all the things the other poster was saying (sarcastically saying it’s fun to have your T3 keep wp and being trashed in 1 vs X etc.)… which was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off. It’s easy to try and make others look ridiculous when you manufacture what they say as opposed to what they actually say (the definition of a strawman).
I thought it was clear that you were being judged here by all of your actions and posts in this thread, not just the one quoted. Additionally nobody is questioning your strawman accusation of the troll post, so you don’t need to write a paragraph defending it.
Before you continue down this “all or nothing” narrative on tanking, do you even know what Nash equilibriums are? There is actually very little outside of theory that has all-or-nothing approaches being the most optimal.
I’ll continue to leave this here. I look forward to seeing the continued ironic hypocrisy from your underinformed and naive ideals.
It’s always amazing to see just how much people are willing to rationalize to preserve their ego.
Then maybe it would be a great idea if you would reply to the post in question rather than make some post without any context after my last answer to the troll post. Beside, I’m not judged by all, I’m judged by some including you. And frankly, I couldn’t care less about how you, or others, judge me if all you say is based on nothing. If you disagree with the ideas and opinions I emit, tackle the ideas and opinions I emit with arguments instead of posting vacuous stuff about who you think I am. We don’t know each others and can only comment on what the other has written.
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Oh, and BTW, speaking of strawman and hypocrisy… when you say “Translation: guys fight hard to get wrecked in T2 while I transfer myself out of it! Endure your predicament while I leave mine! The hypocrisy and the justification coming from you is just sad.” it is a pretty good example of putting words into someone’s mouth to make him say what you KNOW he didn’t. I’ll repeat again, I’ve spend 2 years on Mag so your attempt at making me look like someone who would never endure what you might, maybe, taste even if just a little is completely pathetic. More importantly I didn’t moved away to SoR to escape the predicament YOU say I want to escape. I already explained why I moved to SoR. That you believe it or not is your kittening kitten problem.
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First off, taking a break from WvW for a few weeks is nowhere near as bad as hopping servers (edited as would not let me put “server” right after “as”).
Beside, I’m not judged by all, I’m judged by some including you.
I do not know if you are English-challenged or simply blinded by your naive righteousness, but please go back and check the context of “all” in my post. The word “of” connects “all” to “your actions and posts”, and does not imply “all the people”.
Then maybe it would be a great idea if you would reply to the post in question rather than make some post without any context after my last answer to the troll post.
I’ve addressed your point about Cold War/MAD. It’s gone unanswered.
I’ve addressed your point about collateral damage. It’s gone unanswered.
I’ve addressed your point about “all or nothing” actions. It’s gone unanswered.
All the balls are in your court. My point about hypocrisy not only still stands, but is stronger now.
Your move hypocrite.
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Ok ok, he’s a hypocrite and you’re obsessed. Can you please stop trying to publicly shame each other already? It has nothing to do with the tournament and proves nothing.
First off, taking a break from WvW for a few weeks is nowhere near as bad as hopping servers (edited as would not let me put “server” right after “as”).
As bad? Are you still implying that my getting to SoR had anything to do with me not liking to be at the bottom of gold league? And that despite explicitly saying otherwise? Or did I just not understand what you meant?
I do not know if you are English-challenged or simply blinded by your naive righteousness, but please go back and check the context of “all” in my post. The word “of” connects “all” to “your actions and posts”, and does not imply “all the people”.
English is indeed not my first language but the fault here is more my reading of what you said here while remembering what you said earlier (quote: “…they call into question your moral high ground and the validity of your judgment, which is why I and others will and will continue to ridicule you”) than my lesser mastery of the language. I guess I got impatient. My bad, on this one.
I’ve addressed your point about Cold War/MAD. It’s gone unanswered.
I’ve addressed your point about collateral damage. It’s gone unanswered.
I’ve addressed your point about “all or nothing” actions. It’s gone unanswered.All the balls are in your court. My point about hypocrisy not only still stands, but is stronger now.
Your move hypocrite.
Charming…
1) Had you referenced all these quotes before, you would have spared yourself a part of my previous reply as it came out of nowhere in the context it was given.
2)You seem to operate under the rather strange logic that my ending to reply had something to do with me having no answer to your “arguments”. I stopped replying because I saw no end to this not because I was without ammo. But of you insist, see next…
3)You indeed “answered” my point about the MAD analogy. Here was your so called counter argumentation: “Your MAD situation isn’t applicable here. Our “nukes” are not that destructive nor that permanent, and ANet has the ability to intervene. We’re happy to nuke and continue nuking so long as the status quo is in place.”
So, to recap, because your strategy isn’t using something as destructive as nukes, supposedly not as permanent and A-Net could intervene the analogy is notwithstanding…
If all of T3 are close in score and all don’t want to “graduate” to T2 what will happen if one or more T3 server decide to tank and the rest doesn’t? Yeah, that is right, THEY who don’t tank will get promoted to T2. Therefore, THEY are “forced” to nullify the negative influence on their score by entering a tanking contest or accept their fate. He who let go of the tanking is facing T2 (nuclear holocaust if you will since it’s the “bad” result). Of course the analogy isn’t entirely usable as a perfect representation of the situation, but that doesn’t invalidate the large portion of it that pretty much describe the dynamic at work between the tanking servers “forced” into an ever tanking spiral out of fear of getting promoted.
4)About the collateral damage you didn’t really counter anything btw. You merely acknowledge that you were aware of it and would not be martyr for us. This is a pretty ridiculous thing to say since nobody asked you to be martyr for “us”. First of all because what we asked was for you to just play and second because whether you end up T2 or 3 is completely irrelevant to me who is on SoR.
5)About the so called “all or nothing” approach we first have to agree that it is what I defend (I disagree), and second bringing the Nash equilibrium without explaining anything or how it is relevant here is going to be a pretty weak substitute for any argumentation.
I’ll finish by asking you 2 things:
1) What exactly is/was “hypocrite” about ANYTHING I’ve said. Remember though, what “I” have said. Not what you say or think I have said.
2) Also, you somehow managed to hold a grudge about me not replying to you (I wasn’t aware you wanted me to and I felt no need to btw), but since you so un-eloquently open that door while insisting I was a hypocrite no less I’d remind you that you never explained the relevance of your public “ridicule” attempt toward me.
Can I come of as patronizing and naive? Sure, I can see why. But religion, the herd mentality (I reason all by myself quite well here I think and against a lot of opposition might I had), or the Milgram experiment (uh… what authority did I abused of or were you victim of again)!!?
You can answer me back and we can continue to go at it endlessly because I sincerely don’t see the hypocrisy in what I’ve said and will defend myself to death about it. Or, we can agree to let go and accept we just can’t stand each other and agree about the topic.
TL;DR: Read all the text and reply with honesty or agree to disagree and we stop replying.
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1) What exactly is/was “hypocrite” about ANYTHING I’ve said. Remember though, what “I” have said. Not what you say or think I have said.
Plenty in this thread have defended why their servers or they individually have taken a temporary break. Evidently there is no reason or standard that would make this acceptable to you (or, if there is, tell us right now what it would take).
It’s not even the fact that you transferred serves to be honest. Most of us couldn’t care less about that, and a lot of this thread seems to be united that the cleanest solution may be for T2 (SoS) to dissolve. What I and others can’t stand is why you feel you’re beyond questioning and even dare to make this morality claim.
It’s always amazing to see just how much people are willing to rationalize to preserve their ego.
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Uhhh where’s the question here? Seems like a rant.
religion, herd mentality
The religion jab was a sarcastic one. As far as herd mentality is a reference to Milgram which you either didn’t pick up or chose not to.
Milgram
Milgram showed that there’s almost no moral high ground to be claimed, as nobody failed to zap the dog/tester. I evoke it here, as the stakes here are much lower. Your switching servers, regardless of what your claimed motives are, ironically made this point much stronger.
You can answer me back and we can continue to go at it endlessly because I….will defend myself to death about it.
You might even be right. I and everyone could be wrong. The thing is, all of this is irrelevant if you can’t make a convincing case for yourself.
So long as you continue to make judgments against tanking as a whole here without getting into the specifics of an individual person/guild/server I really can’t consider that leaving me alone. Your invitation of a ceasefire has no merit when you’re not really ceasing fire yourself.
1) What exactly is/was “hypocrite” about ANYTHING I’ve said. Remember though, what “I” have said. Not what you say or think I have said.
Plenty in this thread have defended why their servers or they individually have taken a temporary break. Evidently there is no reason or standard that would make this acceptable to you (or, if there is, tell us right now what it would take).
It’s not even the fact that you transferred serves to be honest. Most of us couldn’t care less about that, and a lot of this thread seems to be united that the cleanest solution may be for T2 (SoS) to dissolve. What I and others can’t stand is why you feel you’re beyond questioning and even dare to make this morality claim.
It’s always amazing to see just how much people are willing to rationalize to preserve their ego.
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Uhhh where’s the question here? Seems like a rant.
religion, herd mentality
The religion jab was a sarcastic one. As far as herd mentality is a reference to Milgram which you either didn’t pick up or chose not to.
Milgram
Milgram showed that there’s almost no moral high ground to be claimed, as nobody failed to zap the dog/tester. I evoke it here, as the stakes here are much lower. Your switching servers, regardless of what your claimed motives are, ironically made this point much stronger.
You can answer me back and we can continue to go at it endlessly because I….will defend myself to death about it.
You might even be right. I and everyone could be wrong. The thing is, all of this is irrelevant if you can’t make a convincing case for yourself.
So long as you continue to make judgments against tanking as a whole here without getting into the specifics of an individual person/guild/server I really can’t consider that leaving me alone. Your invitation of a ceasefire has no merit when you’re not really ceasing fire yourself.
You know what? You are right. I concede.
Good day to you.
It’s not just that. Players are leaving the game.
The Gamescom 2014 interview with Devon Carver has Devon saying that the WvW population is stable, so apparently ANet isn’t seeing big changes in the number of people playing WvW.
And has been pointed out multiple times in other threads he’s clearly being disingenuous by including EOTM. It is beyond doubt that core WvW is losing players and another tournament will only accelerate that decline just as has happened with the previous 2.
It’s not just that. Players are leaving the game.
The Gamescom 2014 interview with Devon Carver has Devon saying that the WvW population is stable, so apparently ANet isn’t seeing big changes in the number of people playing WvW.
And has been pointed out multiple times in other threads he’s clearly being disingenuous by including EOTM. It is beyond doubt that core WvW is losing players and another tournament will only accelerate that decline just as has happened with the previous 2.
And with this golem mastery increasing damage, things will just melt faster a T3 gonna be flipped in 20-40seconds(deppending on siege and number of golems), there will be no time to take any action or almost no time to reach it unless theres 24/7 players refreshing siege and waiting, it will hurt the wvw even more creating more disparity between population at the end, but i think it is what Anet wants, because as they stated(before game came out) wvw it was supose to be somekind of casual game mode that SHOULD be more casual than PVE, where pve players could slack a little but, at the end WvW turned to be more than Anet wanted and they created EOTM, i hope that im wrong but this is how i see Anet movement towards WvW development or game evolution at all, it all turning to be like AB from previous GW flip as faster u can flip don’t need even to fight has that would be a waste of time.
I’m surprised Anet doesn’t divide up the rewards based on weekly performance. Whoever takes first place that week of the three get’s a first place reward. At the end, the server with the most first places/most points gets additional rewards. The reward system COULD be set up so that lower tiered servers have just as much a chance as the lowered tiered ones. Not sure if this is the right direction.
Players move around all the time, including to/from SoS.
It’s not just that. Players are leaving the game.
But apparently not the forums.
I’m surprised Anet doesn’t divide up the rewards based on weekly performance. Whoever takes first place that week of the three get’s a first place reward. At the end, the server with the most first places/most points gets additional rewards. The reward system COULD be set up so that lower tiered servers have just as much a chance as the lowered tiered ones. Not sure if this is the right direction.
I am not a huge fan of participation rewards but in the tournament system they really should move to that model. Since servers have no fixed team player limit and tend to win via population/coverage, essentially players are enticed to stack onto servers for better rewards. If the rewards came from play regardless of server (the more play the more rewards), players would be more inclined to stay put and show up. Essentially the current system doubles down and exacerbates a significantly fundamental flaw in the competitive WvW system.
Rewards are weekly this season.
It seems foolish for any people or servers to change their behavior for this tourney, it’s only 4 weeks. I can understand transferring or tanking (a little) if we were talking about another 9 weeks.
9 weeks with servers a tier or more higher than you? Yeah, strap a rat cage onto your face instead and you’ll have more fun.
4 weeks though… Go to EotM if it’s really odious, or surprise your enemies and yourself with a good strong push.
Have fun with it.
Rewards are weekly this season.
The reward duration is weekly but the amount is determined by placement which as I stated causes players to stack on “winning” servers.
It seems foolish for any people or servers to change their behavior for this tourney, it’s only 4 weeks. I can understand transferring or tanking (a little) if we were talking about another 9 weeks.
9 weeks with servers a tier or more higher than you? Yeah, strap a rat cage onto your face instead and you’ll have more fun.
4 weeks though… Go to EotM if it’s really odious, or surprise your enemies and yourself with a good strong push.
Have fun with it.
The fear is it isn’t’ really “only” 4 weeks, unfounded or not. It seems you just don’t drop fast enough or people below rise fast enough….
Behavior will change anyway with some going to the other game releasing the same day. Who knows if that affects servers equally – time will tell on that.
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Rewards are weekly this season.
The reward duration is weekly but the amount is determined by placement which as I stated causes players to stack on “winning” servers.
Yea, there’s that problem. The only worthwhile server to stack on would be the one expected to come in first for the whole tournament. The rewards are not worth stacking to first place server every match.
Yea, there’s that problem. The only worthwhile server to stack on would be the one expected to come in first for the whole tournament. The rewards are not worth stacking to first place server every match.
Many players indeed won’t transfer for rewards but still a lot of players will flock to the strong Silver and Bronze servers for the rewards and the easy fights.
The “reward the most populated server” system does nothing to discourage stacking and some how legitimizes stacking as a valid tactic.
Same servers win every time. WvW is a joke and a complete 1 sided failure. Regardless of what anyone says the whole system is no more then a #s game. What happens when the game dies down, 2 servers going to fight against each other in the tournament? That’s the direction it’s heading.
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