Guild Wars 2

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My problem with what you just said though…is that you have a problem with the community response and not necessarily with the players involved. It just seems your upset with some of the forum warriors responses here, which I would guess these developers have long since tuned us out[/quote]
To be honest i have a problem with all of them:
-the a-net dev has behaved unprofessionally with his badge on and obstructed the GvG match on purpose.
-the players were in the right to ask him to leave or kill him off directly but instead they opted to be complete XXXXXXXX from the get go
- and yes the forum warriors who defend the culprits as if they are innocent saints and ask for sacking the dev

“I just wanted to add…. I spiked the GM.” You are now the best player in GW2.

In 15v15 and 20v20 how many bad players are you carrying? Doesn’t group comp start to lose it’s magic after a certain number of players?

Jamais vu.5284:

ArchonWing.9480:

So umm, if I go into wvw to finish my gathering daily, am I a terrible person for not “participating in the match in good faith” and should be prohibited from doing so?

Yep. According to people like Riondron or Sir Arthur.8905, you should be banned from every regular activity taking place in WvW apart from siegeing and defending castles. Even open-field battles are frowned upon by the new generation of WvW purists, because they at best have the same effect points wise as a GvG. Going by this new doctrine you are to avoid any fights (or like mentioned any other activities) that don’t take place in the context of capturing an objective.

Ah yes, them purists should officially rename wvw to pvd.

It’s funny because it’s not like in the past opposing factions haven’t sent some of their best warriors to challenge each other and prove their superiority. And clearly chivalry has no place in a role playing setting that is placed in a vaguely medieval environment. Oh wait… :p

MithranArkanere.8957:

ArchonWing.9480:

So umm, if I go into wvw to finish my gathering daily, am I a terrible person for not “participating in the match in good faith” and should be prohibited from doing so?

No. There’s gathering nodes in there.

Part of the ‘rules’ of the game is gathering. If you gather here, you’ll get your daily gathered achievement.

You’ll be using up slots that others could use since you could be gathering somewhere else. But that’s just opinion. Since it’s part of the game’s rules, you are allowed to do that, an it’s your choice if you go there just to gather. It’s on your conscience.

Conscience lol. By that logic, I shouldn’t even be going to Sparkfly fen to gather, because people would be knocked into overflow. What makes them more important than me?

Would have, should have, could have, are irrelevant to me. If I’m stealing supply and building 30 rams, then that’s griefing. Taking someone’s spot in line that the game allows me to? Nope.

These “GvG” guys that do something that can be hardly called “GvG” would not be that much of a problem if they didn’t tend to take up slots at times when there’s lots of people waiting in the queue. But the fact is that they do take up slots others could be using.

They are not following the rules, and they are not doing anything good for others.

It’s the same when people harass others not to complete an event to farm it, or when people grab a turrent in the Tequatl event and start firing at risen and ambient creatures instead focusing on the event’s objectives, or when people grab a keg in keg brawl and run outside the field to get their achievements going.
You can do that, because there’s nothing coded or scripted to prevent you to do that. But you are harming other player’s experience with your actions, and so you must stop.

Actually gvg’ers might just be pulling away some of our best wvw’ers to their events, and that means them from the other side. Meaning, people I don’t have to face when defending actual objectives. In some matchup situations, this can actually be beneficial. Server pride is something that is tangible, and since wvw is the only instance where your home server actually matters, then I don’t think it’s unreasonable at all.

This is of course assuming wvw isn’t a 11111 zombie fest where numbers only matter. And that is the greater problem.

And it’s funny you bring up people harassing others to not complete events to farm it, since in every instance I’ve seen, it’s been the other way around. I don’t really feel either side is necessarily more right than the other.

Anyhow, an official response has been given, so I guess the issue is moot. I guess the reaction, while justified, got a bit out of hand. I would tell Star to please calm down, because every moment he’s raging in the forums is one moment are pugs are running around like fools. Just kidding! We all love you. Usually.

AlexEBT I was infracted, but you got my drift. I find it funny ~ and yes you are correct. I just find it silly. And yes I dev games for another major game corp… and its times like this that make me laugh at the third categorization of people. I back the stance of … troll the hell outta those who do it. Or in other words, most may know. …

Do unto others as you would want done to you…

The dev and company already apologized, they tied up the loose end on that side.

The individuals who trash talked him in game should all receive 3 day suspensions, not like they care, they will talk that way to everyone in the game.

But that third categorization who likes to go make mountains out of molehills, with no real basis out side of
“hey congress, we got another complaint”
“Can we get Michael Moore in on this to conspiracy theorize – maybe we can get a movie on how american game devs mis treat their oh so well behaved fans?”

Hexin.5603:

Parisalchuk.9230:

Hexin.5603:

Brando.1374:

Tricare.2946:

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GW1 had map otpions to split, or not, spike or balanced, and do multitude of things that could impact the outcome. Hell, a good flag runner could make a difference. Tell me know … at the windmill, how exactly is the current GvG form anything close? When you can see all 30-40 people within your radar? Maps made a huge difference, … would you ever consider splitting your GvG team into 2 teams to push an enemy in its current form? No … why is that ?

Because splitting numbers has negative outcomes in gvg’s current state.

PS… I did say it involves skill in my OP fyi – just not strategy. Running right or left, to the trees or to the hill like a 6 year old soccer game is not strategy, condi flipping because your running through red circles is not strat, its common sense.

Well, you’re kinda right. But GW2 players doing GvG try to make the best out of it. And yes it’s not an 8v8 like it was in GW1 (and it was good!), but it’s still very funny.
In my opinion you cant compare GW1 with GW2, because GW1 PvP has nothing to do with GW2 PvP. There’s no Codex, HA, GvG, whatsoever. There’s just Conquest and WvW and GvG! Many Guilds want a GvG mode (with new, better maps) and many PvP-Player just want to have other modes (HA, GvG, Codex, RA), because conquest is just meh.

Splitting numbers? Many guilds got the same “strategy”, but some do really strange stuff (doesn’t mean that stuff is bad). Many guild split in range and melee. And if you play range, you often need more skill than the melees, and the melees need more strategy to kill the enemies.
If they would just integrate the skill-system from GW1, there would be way more strategy in my opinion.

PS: Way too much “GW1”, “GW2”, “GvG” in that post!

This was the point when the pvp players snapped and took to the streets. It’s been building this negative vibe. Instead of Anet awknowledging it and saying yes we’re adding gvg they got this thread. A bunch of words nothing violent just words.

Spvp has a lot of individual rewards, it’s like being on the wrestling team. Gvg/wvw youre on the football team. Just look at the spvp leaderboards for individuals not teams or guilds.

To all the people upset and calling this thread is a lynching. I hope you realized this is waaaay beyond a single Anet employee(he messed up, I don’t think he should lose his job over it though).

If anything, it brought out the growing resentment about the state of WvWvW and the absence of an actual GvG mode. That is why it’s 20 odd pages long.

ArchonWing.9480:

Conscience lol. By that logic, I shouldn’t even be going to Sparkfly fen to gather, because people would be knocked into overflow. What makes them more important than me?

As bad and poorly thought out as the requirements for the new Teq fight are, Sparkfly is still just another pve zone, not a map built for a team vs team (vs team) game type. If Sparkfly is full, you’ll get put into an overflow, where the same events will happen. Events will scale to accommodate the number of players (Teq does need some work on this, though), your opponents in wvw do not.

This is of course, besides the point. My point is that I’m going to do whatever I want regardless of what people think how something should be played even if I allegedly take up a spot that of course would be taken by someone who’s going to change the outcome of the matchup. It won’t.

You know, in the end, I think allowing GvG matches should pretty much be dependent on the servers themselves. If a server majority decides they are too serious for GvG’s, they should let their guilds know so those guilds can decide to give up GvG or transfer to another server. If the anti-GvG people find themselves in the minority, they can consider transferring themselves to a server who thinks like they do.

ANet really needs to just stay out of it. Maybe they need to consider that the best way for games to stay fresh is to allow players more creativity and variety and independence, and to not try to keep them chained inside a box of “the correct, intended way to play”. It isn’t just about GvG; my server also has nights like ‘naked night’ and ‘drunk necro night’. It’s awesome and hilarious, and prevents the game from feeling like a monotonous drag.

And I would be interested in seeing the way the “serious, anti-GvG” servers stack up against the others.

Agree or dont agree with GvGs but that facts are plain. Both guilds and all the people that came to watch the GvG got trolled by an Anet dev its going to be a long time for Anet to live that one down….. its not the first time an Anet dev has trolled the GvG community they have been doing it for sometime with mocking remarks and posts.

It sure would be great if Anet would just man the kitten up and either ban all GvGers, but that wont happen because its not Anet policy to troll players.

Its just a few rogue devs causing problems starting fights with GvGers because they are not playing ‘My gamemode right’.

Xom.9264:

Agree or dont agree with GvGs but that facts are plain. Both guilds and all the people that came to watch the GvG got trolled by an Anet dev its going to be a long time for Anet to live that one down….. its not the first time an Anet dev has trolled the GvG community they have been doing it for sometime with mocking remarks and posts.

It sure would be great if Anet would just man the kitten up and either ban all GvGers, but that wont happen because its not Anet policy to troll players.

Its just a few rogue devs causing problems starting fights with GvGers because they are not playing ‘My gamemode right’.

I would love to see a dev vs GvG guild fight

Brando.1374:

Xom.9264:

Agree or dont agree with GvGs but that facts are plain. Both guilds and all the people that came to watch the GvG got trolled by an Anet dev its going to be a long time for Anet to live that one down….. its not the first time an Anet dev has trolled the GvG community they have been doing it for sometime with mocking remarks and posts.

It sure would be great if Anet would just man the kitten up and either ban all GvGers, but that wont happen because its not Anet policy to troll players.

Its just a few rogue devs causing problems starting fights with GvGers because they are not playing ‘My gamemode right’.

I would love to see a dev vs GvG guild fight

Naw that would actually be fun, and now that we know this dev does WvW he is probably just another zerger that hates GvG guilds for their ability to wipe zergs twice their size. All the people I have personally seen trolling GvGs are the really bad zergers being poor sports trying to ruin the fun of the guilds that wipe them constantly.

I could be wrong but I highly doubt it, why else would he troll them?

Xom.9264:

Brando.1374:

Xom.9264:

Agree or dont agree with GvGs but that facts are plain. Both guilds and all the people that came to watch the GvG got trolled by an Anet dev its going to be a long time for Anet to live that one down….. its not the first time an Anet dev has trolled the GvG community they have been doing it for sometime with mocking remarks and posts.

It sure would be great if Anet would just man the kitten up and either ban all GvGers, but that wont happen because its not Anet policy to troll players.

Its just a few rogue devs causing problems starting fights with GvGers because they are not playing ‘My gamemode right’.

I would love to see a dev vs GvG guild fight

Naw that would actually be fun, and now that we know this dev does WvW he is probably just another zerger that hates GvG guilds for their ability to wipe zergs twice their size. All the people I have personally seen trolling GvGs are the really bad zergers being poor sports trying to ruin the fun of the guilds that wipe them constantly.

I could be wrong but I highly doubt it, why else would he troll them?

most likely true.
their own players are better at this game then the ones who created it/manage it.

Brando.1374:

Xom.9264:

Brando.1374:

Xom.9264:

Agree or dont agree with GvGs but that facts are plain. Both guilds and all the people that came to watch the GvG got trolled by an Anet dev its going to be a long time for Anet to live that one down….. its not the first time an Anet dev has trolled the GvG community they have been doing it for sometime with mocking remarks and posts.

It sure would be great if Anet would just man the kitten up and either ban all GvGers, but that wont happen because its not Anet policy to troll players.

Its just a few rogue devs causing problems starting fights with GvGers because they are not playing ‘My gamemode right’.

I would love to see a dev vs GvG guild fight

Naw that would actually be fun, and now that we know this dev does WvW he is probably just another zerger that hates GvG guilds for their ability to wipe zergs twice their size. All the people I have personally seen trolling GvGs are the really bad zergers being poor sports trying to ruin the fun of the guilds that wipe them constantly.

I could be wrong but I highly doubt it, why else would he troll them?

most likely true.
their own players are better at this game then the ones who created it/manage it.

There are a few solid Anet players I ran into in my solo q climb, this fellow was not one of them. Anyway Im actually done with this thread, its crazy how fast it added page after page even with all the mods deleting things.

Warfire.7265:

It’s like playing 1v1 in sPvP, Dranul.

You can do it all you like, you can make forum threads and guilds around it and all that fun stuff. It’s not an ArenaNet supported way to play that mode, however. So they won’t balance classes to be able to 1v1. They won’t make 1v1 maps. They won’t make a 1v1 queue.

Same thing as doing GvG in WvW. It’s not supported. You can play it all you want, however; just don’t expect them to cater to your idea. They are here to provide official content. End of story.

Also, if you want to bring some constructive argument please do so respectfully. I mean, honestly, you’re representing your guild at the very least.

Can we stop with this bull-crap!
This is the opinion of one troll employee that though he owned the world because he has an ANET badge.

They took the time to write an official apology during the weekend. And to all those crying and protecting that idiot’s opinion because its matching yours, well you might just have missed ANET’s official stream where the main figures behind the game have stated that it is an amazing thing to see player initiative.

TC is a role playing server, and they are creating their own fun playing the game as they want.
SoR, we have all sorts of events in WvW on friday nights before reset where PPT doesnt matter because the matchup is generally already decided by then (mathematically impossible to catch up).
Just like GvG’s, you could call our events “unofficial game modes” and so what if players GvG or organize other events for their server’s community.
It’s just a game and ppl want to have fun, plus, the guilds generally doing those things are the ones contributing the most to the PPT game anyways!

ArchonWing.9480:

This is of course, besides the point. My point is that I’m going to do whatever I want regardless of what people think how something should be played even if I allegedly take up a spot that of course would be taken by someone who’s going to change the outcome of the matchup. It won’t.

It’s not about whether or not it effects the end result of the matchup, but rather the effect on the players in wvw at that time. Having your guildmates being locked out of the map and being disadvantaged versus another server because of a gvg is a negative and souring experience.

“Play your way” and “do whatever you want” are not the same thing. I doubt you will find many (if any at all) games with a competition between number limited teams where doing “whatever you want” is considered acceptable.

Play your character/build how you want, but if you’re going to join a game mode that was designed to be host to a competition you are generally expected to spend your time there participating in that competition. If you can do other activities there without causing any interference with that competition, then do so. But if your activities do start interfering, you need a find another time or place for them.

mrstealth.6701:

ArchonWing.9480:

This is of course, besides the point. My point is that I’m going to do whatever I want regardless of what people think how something should be played even if I allegedly take up a spot that of course would be taken by someone who’s going to change the outcome of the matchup. It won’t.

It’s not about whether or not it effects the end result of the matchup, but rather the effect on the players in wvw at that time. Having your guildmates being locked out of the map and being disadvantaged versus another server because of a gvg is a negative and souring experience.

“Play your way” and “do whatever you want” are not the same thing. I doubt you will find many (if any at all) games with a competition between number limited teams where doing “whatever you want” is considered acceptable.

Play your character/build how you want, but if you’re going to join a game mode that was designed to be host to a competition you are generally expected to spend your time there participating in that competition. If you can do other activities there without causing any interference with that competition, then do so. But if your activities do start interfering, you need a find another time or place for them.

Except they are part of the competition. Just not in the way people demand…

My problem with this thing is that every action that does not garner ppt could be considered so called “interference” if we just set the baseline as just taking up a slot.

But I admit. I sorta laugh at considering wvw competitive.

I don’t know. The complainer in the OP might be very into gvgs, but he has helped out our server greatly in all aspects, and I would credit these events as greatly enhancing the wvw experience, in forming communities and having fun with other servers. And as a result, wvw on our server has been a lot of fun. And no, I don’t gvg, but I do not believe gvg’ers are out to sabotage my server’s efforts.

Oh, I should really go back to the game now. I’m logged in wvw now for my dailies; yea I’m an evil person for posting atm.

ArchonWing.9480:

Except they are part of the competition. Just not in the way people demand…

I don’t see how a gvg can be considered part of the wvw competition. The only benefit to the server are points from finishes, if they have a bloodlust buff. If matchups consisted of only two servers, they would be occupying an equal number of enemies to offset their absence from wvw, but there are 3 servers per matchup.

They are ‘hiding’ in a generally deserted part of the map, and participating in wvw no more than the players that have duels or “fight club” at the windmill. The location chosen for this just shows that the intent is to avoid wvw, while using the wvw map for a completely separate gametype.

Others that are in wvw just for a good fight do so while still participating in wvw. Roamers take out dolyaks and players carrying supply, serve as a commander’s eyes on the field, and help secure our own supplies. You don’t have to be doing something that directly causes PPT gains to be participating in wvw.

mrstealth.6701:

ArchonWing.9480:

Except they are part of the competition. Just not in the way people demand…

I don’t see how a gvg can be considered part of the wvw competition. The only benefit to the server are points from finishes, if they have a bloodlust buff. If matchups consisted of only two servers, they would be occupying an equal number of enemies to offset their absence from wvw, but there are 3 servers per matchup.

They are ‘hiding’ in a generally deserted part of the map, and participating in wvw no more than the players that have duels or “fight club” at the windmill. The location chosen for this just shows that the intent is to avoid wvw, while using the wvw map for a completely separate gametype.

Others that are in wvw just for a good fight do so while still participating in wvw. Roamers take out dolyaks and players carrying supply, serve as a commander’s eyes on the field, and help secure our own supplies. You don’t have to be doing something that directly causes PPT gains to be participating in wvw.

The part of the competition of “our server is better than yours”. All in good fun of course. It doesn’t add to the concrete part of the matchup, but there’s more interaction than this, I’d think.

And they’re off the map to not cause interference. So are the people at the windmill an eyesore too?

Finally, sometimes there no longer is a point for playing for PPT when the outcome is nearly inevitable. We have no end to the list of matchups where there are blowouts and there is literally nothing to do. When matchups get this lopsided, it does serve as a valid avenue for valid fights in this server vs server vs server scenario.

mrstealth.6701:

ArchonWing.9480:

Except they are part of the competition. Just not in the way people demand…

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It’s time to stop posting b/c its well documented, even in the apology, that WvW is to played how each individual wants to play it.

All you are doing is making yourself look bad and misrepresenting your server.

Enough.

Jinks.2057:

mrstealth.6701:

ArchonWing.9480:

Except they are part of the competition. Just not in the way people demand…

snip

It’s time to stop posting b/c its well documented, even in the apology, that WvW is to played how each individual wants to play it.

All you are doing is making yourself look bad and misrepresenting your server.

Enough.

Agreed, ANET, plz do everyone a favor and lock this thread already…

ArchonWing.9480:

The part of the competition of “our server is better than yours”.

They aren’t “the server”, when they are doing a gvg they are acting as “their guild”
The only times I’ve even been aware of a gvg going on is when it was interfering with wvw gameplay. So I’m certainly not seeing any interaction, aside from the negative impact.

They aren’t representing their server any more than am representing my server or my guild by posting here. Just like the dev that sparked this thread was presenting his own opinion, not his companies. Even though he made the poor choice of flashing his Anet tag while doing so. That Anet tag is somewhat of a mark of authority, our guild tags are not.

Asudementio.8526:

Buzzcrave.6197:

Fay.2735:

I second what Courin has stated and would like to add my own confirmation to what she said.

The Anet person in question is one of the most dedicated, passionate people I know when it comes to this game. I mean, I’m super dedicated to the game and he honestly puts me to shame in comparison.

Having had the pleasure to play the game with him and get to know him I’ve been watching this thread with horror because he’s literally the last person to deserve to be dragged through the mud. He’s a lovely, kindhearted and fun person that I’m honored to know and people in this thread are making complete incorrect assumptions about him.

Having watched the video myself all I see, knowing him is someone who tried to find out what was going on. Then got verbal abuse thrown at him and then tried to defuse the situation using his tag. Unfortunately this was taken completely the wrong way and blown way out of proportion.

I can guarantee he meant well and to be honest I feel he was correct in trying to resolve the situation at hand. He made some small mistakes in the way he did which then got woefully misinterpreted, blown out of proportions and all this hatred towards him is seriously undeserved no matter who he is or what he does.

This whole ordeal reminds me of an angry incoherent mob with their pitchforks and torches ready to lynch someone over the slightest thing despite said person being innocent of all the unrelated accusations/complaints being made in regards to GvG/WvW which he is not responsible for.

Also. As Courin said, I’m not speaking on this persons behalf. I just can’t stand seeing people wrongly accuse someone whose kind and whom I consider a friend.

I understand peoples frustration in regards to the GvG/WvW subject but that’s no excuse for this public lynching of a single unrelated person. Secondly to those people who keep demanding GvG. What do you expect them to do? Magically pull a whole new game mode out of thin air?

GvG is done by a minority of players. Anet is a business. If they do decide to implement GvG it would be out of love for their playerbase as they certainly wouldn’t make money out of it and if anything loose money as they’d have to pay a team to build it. Such a process would take a long time that is if they even will.

So, have some patience and see what happens in a year or two. And maybe if you’d ask nicely instead of throwing abuse at Anet they’d be more likely to consider it.

If you really hate the game so much if there is no GvG then perhaps you should play something else in the meantime till they do instead of spamming livestream chats, making demands and constantly creating a negative and toxic environment in the community. You’re just making it less likely anything will happen and just annoy people in the process by being rude.

No matter how nice you think on that person, he kittened up and he deserve to be kittened. Just because he was nice before doesn’t mean he can make a mistake that everyone can let it go. Don’t let that “friend” title cloud your judgement.

No instead he should be defamed and people should attack him. Friendship bias is bad but bias at the other end of the spectrum needs to go too.

The point is the dev is at wrong, he had send someone else to apologize on behalf of him(clearly not sincere), and this guy still trying to say he is not wrong. If everyone just agree that what he did is wrong, then that is the end of the line.

ekleenex.1654:

I don’t get it… GvG seems like a win/win situation for everyone. Two guilds get to throw themselves at each other in a friendly skirmish and all the siege champions can smash their faces against doors and lay down epic plans to conquer the battlefield with mighty machines of war! The pugs and commanders can farm that WXP without looking over their shoulder.

Edit: I can only imagine the people opposing GvG’s to be the same people who sit on a treb for hours on end.

No one GvG for the purpose of farming. That is the dumbest thing ever, since if on of the guild leader call for gg, both side have to stop hitting, even stomping the downed resulting with no bags.

The purpose of GvG is to utilize what the game combat mechanic have to offer. Combo field, chaining skills, timed field and blasting and many more. We use every single skill out there in order to win. We use it to fight. That is GvG, to fight using our skill to the fullest. If you say GvG is all about melee train hammer, than you are so wrong, strategic refuge+static field/crates+frost bow/meteor are way deadlier than melee trains.

mrstealth.6701:

It’s not about whether or not it effects the end result of the matchup, but rather the effect on the players in wvw at that time. Having your guildmates being locked out of the map and being disadvantaged versus another server because of a gvg is a negative and souring experience.

If you choose to react like that when there are 3 other maps to choose from then its your issue not the guilds GvGing.

mrstealth.6701:

They aren’t “the server”, when they are doing a gvg they are acting as “their guild”
The only times I’ve even been aware of a gvg going on is when it was interfering with wvw gameplay. So I’m certainly not seeing any interaction, aside from the negative impact.

Hmm yet when I watch a GvG I’m rooting for the guild from my server.

Wow make this stop! Just finish GvG, the guild halls and lock this thread.

Xom.9264:

Agree or dont agree with GvGs but that facts are plain. Both guilds and all the people that came to watch the GvG got trolled by an Anet dev its going to be a long time for Anet to live that one down….. its not the first time an Anet dev has trolled the GvG community they have been doing it for sometime with mocking remarks and posts.

It sure would be great if Anet would just man the kitten up and either ban all GvGers, but that wont happen because its not Anet policy to troll players.

Its just a few rogue devs causing problems starting fights with GvGers because they are not playing ‘My gamemode right’.

Seriously? Mocking? Ban all GvGers? You can’t be seriously posting this kitten?

morrolan.9608:

mrstealth.6701:

It’s not about whether or not it effects the end result of the matchup, but rather the effect on the players in wvw at that time. Having your guildmates being locked out of the map and being disadvantaged versus another server because of a gvg is a negative and souring experience.

If you choose to react like that when there are 3 other maps to choose from then its your problem not the guilds GvGing.

mrstealth.6701:

They aren’t “the server”, when they are doing a gvg they are acting as “their guild”
The only times I’ve even been aware of a gvg going on is when it was interfering with wvw gameplay. So I’m certainly not seeing any interaction, aside from the negative impact.

Hmm yet when I watch a GvG I’m rooting for the guild from my server.

We were already on the map and setting up siege to attack a keep. We had a group on the map that we felt we was enough to get started while the stragglers were still changing map. It was a short run from spawn to where we were, so starting at that time shouldn’t have been an issue. No one realized the situation till we saw the size of the group we had when people starting mentioning that the map was queued.

There was no way for us to know there was a gvg happening on the map that was going to have such an impact on our numbers. Our presence was clear, as there was at least one commander with us, as well as activity in map and team chats.

I’d probably be rooting for a gvg team from my server, too. If I had any idea those were going on, and they were being carried out in a manner considerate to everyone else on the map. It’s not something I have a big interest in, but I wouldn’t mind spectating during a calm and quiet time in the wvw matchup. The action does die down in some matchups, which is a good time to have a gvg.

Buzzcrave.6197:

Asudementio.8526:

Buzzcrave.6197:

Fay.2735:

I second what Courin has stated and would like to add my own confirmation to what she said.

The Anet person in question is one of the most dedicated, passionate people I know when it comes to this game. I mean, I’m super dedicated to the game and he honestly puts me to shame in comparison.

Having had the pleasure to play the game with him and get to know him I’ve been watching this thread with horror because he’s literally the last person to deserve to be dragged through the mud. He’s a lovely, kindhearted and fun person that I’m honored to know and people in this thread are making complete incorrect assumptions about him.

Having watched the video myself all I see, knowing him is someone who tried to find out what was going on. Then got verbal abuse thrown at him and then tried to defuse the situation using his tag. Unfortunately this was taken completely the wrong way and blown way out of proportion.

I can guarantee he meant well and to be honest I feel he was correct in trying to resolve the situation at hand. He made some small mistakes in the way he did which then got woefully misinterpreted, blown out of proportions and all this hatred towards him is seriously undeserved no matter who he is or what he does.

This whole ordeal reminds me of an angry incoherent mob with their pitchforks and torches ready to lynch someone over the slightest thing despite said person being innocent of all the unrelated accusations/complaints being made in regards to GvG/WvW which he is not responsible for.

Also. As Courin said, I’m not speaking on this persons behalf. I just can’t stand seeing people wrongly accuse someone whose kind and whom I consider a friend.

I understand peoples frustration in regards to the GvG/WvW subject but that’s no excuse for this public lynching of a single unrelated person. Secondly to those people who keep demanding GvG. What do you expect them to do? Magically pull a whole new game mode out of thin air?

GvG is done by a minority of players. Anet is a business. If they do decide to implement GvG it would be out of love for their playerbase as they certainly wouldn’t make money out of it and if anything loose money as they’d have to pay a team to build it. Such a process would take a long time that is if they even will.

So, have some patience and see what happens in a year or two. And maybe if you’d ask nicely instead of throwing abuse at Anet they’d be more likely to consider it.

If you really hate the game so much if there is no GvG then perhaps you should play something else in the meantime till they do instead of spamming livestream chats, making demands and constantly creating a negative and toxic environment in the community. You’re just making it less likely anything will happen and just annoy people in the process by being rude.

No matter how nice you think on that person, he kittened up and he deserve to be kittened. Just because he was nice before doesn’t mean he can make a mistake that everyone can let it go. Don’t let that “friend” title cloud your judgement.

No instead he should be defamed and people should attack him. Friendship bias is bad but bias at the other end of the spectrum needs to go too.

The point is the dev is at wrong, he had send someone else to apologize on behalf of him(clearly not sincere), and this guy still trying to say he is not wrong. If everyone just agree that what he did is wrong, then that is the end of the line.

ekleenex.1654:

But not everyone agrees that he was wrong. And it isn’t a rare practice for a higher up to do the PR when someone under them screws up.

And will you agree that the players were in the wrong cause they obviously were.

Asudementio.8526:

Buzzcrave.6197:

Asudementio.8526:

Buzzcrave.6197:

Fay.2735:

I second what Courin has stated and would like to add my own confirmation to what she said.

The Anet person in question is one of the most dedicated, passionate people I know when it comes to this game. I mean, I’m super dedicated to the game and he honestly puts me to shame in comparison.

Having had the pleasure to play the game with him and get to know him I’ve been watching this thread with horror because he’s literally the last person to deserve to be dragged through the mud. He’s a lovely, kindhearted and fun person that I’m honored to know and people in this thread are making complete incorrect assumptions about him.

Having watched the video myself all I see, knowing him is someone who tried to find out what was going on. Then got verbal abuse thrown at him and then tried to defuse the situation using his tag. Unfortunately this was taken completely the wrong way and blown way out of proportion.

I can guarantee he meant well and to be honest I feel he was correct in trying to resolve the situation at hand. He made some small mistakes in the way he did which then got woefully misinterpreted, blown out of proportions and all this hatred towards him is seriously undeserved no matter who he is or what he does.

This whole ordeal reminds me of an angry incoherent mob with their pitchforks and torches ready to lynch someone over the slightest thing despite said person being innocent of all the unrelated accusations/complaints being made in regards to GvG/WvW which he is not responsible for.

Also. As Courin said, I’m not speaking on this persons behalf. I just can’t stand seeing people wrongly accuse someone whose kind and whom I consider a friend.

I understand peoples frustration in regards to the GvG/WvW subject but that’s no excuse for this public lynching of a single unrelated person. Secondly to those people who keep demanding GvG. What do you expect them to do? Magically pull a whole new game mode out of thin air?

GvG is done by a minority of players. Anet is a business. If they do decide to implement GvG it would be out of love for their playerbase as they certainly wouldn’t make money out of it and if anything loose money as they’d have to pay a team to build it. Such a process would take a long time that is if they even will.

So, have some patience and see what happens in a year or two. And maybe if you’d ask nicely instead of throwing abuse at Anet they’d be more likely to consider it.

If you really hate the game so much if there is no GvG then perhaps you should play something else in the meantime till they do instead of spamming livestream chats, making demands and constantly creating a negative and toxic environment in the community. You’re just making it less likely anything will happen and just annoy people in the process by being rude.

No matter how nice you think on that person, he kittened up and he deserve to be kittened. Just because he was nice before doesn’t mean he can make a mistake that everyone can let it go. Don’t let that “friend” title cloud your judgement.

No instead he should be defamed and people should attack him. Friendship bias is bad but bias at the other end of the spectrum needs to go too.

The point is the dev is at wrong, he had send someone else to apologize on behalf of him(clearly not sincere), and this guy still trying to say he is not wrong. If everyone just agree that what he did is wrong, then that is the end of the line.

ekleenex.1654:

But not everyone agrees that he was wrong. And it isn’t a rare practice for a higher up to do the PR when someone under them screws up.

And will you agree that the players were in the wrong cause they obviously were.

They are wrong for using foul words, but that is after the dev being told to move a few times and yet he still refuses. Beside, if the dev is not standing in the middle, do you think anyone will use foul word? People judge the consequences too much without looking at what provoking them. To make it worst, dev decided to pop his tag after telling the guy “your a big man huh”. Childish behavior.

Let me make it straight, non of this kitten, 27 pages of QQ will happen if the dev does not stand in the middle first place. Screw “your not playing the game as it intended to be”, that argument is moot. WvW is a playground, everyone can do what they want, if you still insist then tell the people that do daily, monthly, lvl up in wvw, karma farm, roaming, champ farming, jumping puzzle and many more that they are not playing the game as intended.

Asudementio.8526:

But not everyone agrees that he was wrong. And it isn’t a rare practice for a higher up to do the PR when someone under them screws up.

And will you agree that the players were in the wrong cause they obviously were.

This is an incident where both sides were definitely wrong.

And, yeah, when an employee does something like this, it is usually another representative that steps up to handle any interaction with the public/customers afterward. The employee usually gets dealt with internally, and often kept out of the public eye to prevent any futher incidents.

Given the amount of toxicity being tossed around, I think it’s best that this person stay clear of it.

edit:
I’ll put it this way…
Let’s say a relative that lives with you causes a major public scene by standing in the street blocking traffic, and screaming at people. This ends up being enough of an incident to be mentioned on the local news. When they send a reporter to your house looking for more information, or maybe an interview, who are you sending out to talk to them? I’m guessing it’s probably not the person that caused the scene, because you don’t want him making himself or your family look any worse than he already has.

YOU ALL JUST LOST THE GAME!

mrstealth.6701:

ArchonWing.9480:

The part of the competition of “our server is better than yours”.

They aren’t “the server”, when they are doing a gvg they are acting as “their guild”
The only times I’ve even been aware of a gvg going on is when it was interfering with wvw gameplay. So I’m certainly not seeing any interaction, aside from the negative impact.

They aren’t representing their server any more than am representing my server or my guild by posting here. Just like the dev that sparked this thread was presenting his own opinion, not his companies. Even though he made the poor choice of flashing his Anet tag while doing so. That Anet tag is somewhat of a mark of authority, our guild tags are not.

Well of course it’s an unofficial representation. This is something arranged by players.

But is it that unreasonable to expect that organized wvw guilds have some form of server identity? just because you don’t see any interaction doesn’t mean it’s not happening.

Magnetron.5823:

The game mode was made for open siege war and not remote GvG, if the dev wants to stand there he has the right to stand there, he did nothing wrong… He said, start the fight go go.

Cant believe what I am reading…
You really hate anything that takes even a little bit of skill/teamwork dont you, hehe, stay in pve buddy.

Aphix.9846:

Magnetron.5823:

The game mode was made for open siege war and not remote GvG, if the dev wants to stand there he has the right to stand there, he did nothing wrong… He said, start the fight go go.

Cant believe what I am reading…
You really hate anything that takes even a little bit of skill/teamwork dont you, hehe, stay in pve buddy.

Cause you know facts mean you hate teamwork. This is why there is no reasonable discussion to be had with the “GvG crowd”

Asudementio.8526:

Aphix.9846:

Magnetron.5823:

The game mode was made for open siege war and not remote GvG, if the dev wants to stand there he has the right to stand there, he did nothing wrong… He said, start the fight go go.

Cant believe what I am reading…
You really hate anything that takes even a little bit of skill/teamwork dont you, hehe, stay in pve buddy.

Cause you know facts mean you hate teamwork. This is why there is no reasonable discussion to be had with the “GvG crowd”

Cause you know, siege war is so much more reasonable. Sitting back with twice the numbers on higher elevation so you can treb without being countered. So interesting. And PPT is totally an accurate method of evaluating skill, nothing to do with coverage.

“YOU ALL JUST LOST THE GAME!”

I was so close to winning too. kitten . Good thing I have an infinite continue coin! Huzzah!

AKLbow.2463:

ARTHUSIMON.7481:

Basket of Boxes.1976:

Why didn’t you just have the other team spike him and continue on with your GvG, you guys whining about it is just as bad as him complaining.

He did get spiked…by the guys fromthe third server that wanted to watch the fight xD

I just wanted to add…. I spiked the GM.

That’s why NSP is awesome.

I still find it odd that the GvG Crowd and General WvW crowd seem to be at war. Given that I participate in both, I feel left out.

The GvG Crowd and the General WvW community should both be targeting the living story instead of each other. There is no GvG and very little WvW development because the living story is where the money is. Some people are spending enough to pay for 2-3 WoW subscriptions every living story update, which is why the living story team keeps getting bigger.

The only way to fix WvW or get GvG is to find a way to make it profitable. The only thing Anet has been able to come up with, apparently, it stimulating mass server transfers. So, if you want to fix it, start suggesting ways to make WvW and/or GvG profitable.

timidobserver.7925:

I still find it odd that the GvG Crowd and General WvW crowd seem to be at war. Given that I participate in both, I feel left out.

As far as I can tell, this isn’t where the war is at. GvG’s are almost entirely done by guilds that identify as WvW guilds, and playing GvG is just kind of a side distraction to occasionally do something a little different than ‘normal’ WvW. There is usually a lot of mutual respect between these guilds and the other hardcore players and commanders on a server for each other’s dedication.

This isn’t a rule, but it is my impression that the criticisms come from the more casual WvW players. Kind of like when you run a PvE dungeon, there are certain unsaid rules to how everyone is expected to play it. The generally expected rule among casual WvW players is that you run in a zerg and flip objectives.

Now there are legitimate cases of GvG hurting a server’s performance, but it’s the exception and not the rule, and it’s a symptom of lack of communication in a server anyway, and should be handled on the server’s community level.

Player Character.9467:

Asudementio.8526:

Aphix.9846:

Magnetron.5823:

The game mode was made for open siege war and not remote GvG, if the dev wants to stand there he has the right to stand there, he did nothing wrong… He said, start the fight go go.

Cant believe what I am reading…
You really hate anything that takes even a little bit of skill/teamwork dont you, hehe, stay in pve buddy.

Cause you know facts mean you hate teamwork. This is why there is no reasonable discussion to be had with the “GvG crowd”

Cause you know, siege war is so much more reasonable. Sitting back with twice the numbers on higher elevation so you can treb without being countered. So interesting. And PPT is totally an accurate method of evaluating skill, nothing to do with coverage.

See my point exemplified once again. To say that coordinating a ppt based initiative is less of a teamwork effort than fighting with your guild is woefully ignorant and one of the reasons GvGers come across as petulant, unreasonable, and elitist.

Can this thread be over yet? All it’s accomplishing is sullying the name of GvGers at this point.

Jinks.2057:

mrstealth.6701:

ArchonWing.9480:

Except they are part of the competition. Just not in the way people demand…

snip

It’s time to stop posting b/c its well documented, even in the apology, that WvW is to played how each individual wants to play it.

All you are doing is making yourself look bad and misrepresenting your server.

Enough.

So you are a mod now?

Sanduskel.1850:

Jinks.2057:

mrstealth.6701:

ArchonWing.9480:

Except they are part of the competition. Just not in the way people demand…

snip

It’s time to stop posting b/c its well documented, even in the apology, that WvW is to played how each individual wants to play it.

All you are doing is making yourself look bad and misrepresenting your server.

Enough.

So you are a mod now?

He hasn’t turned on his ANet tag yet.

Asudementio.8526:

Player Character.9467:

Asudementio.8526:

Aphix.9846:

Magnetron.5823:

The game mode was made for open siege war and not remote GvG, if the dev wants to stand there he has the right to stand there, he did nothing wrong… He said, start the fight go go.

Cant believe what I am reading…
You really hate anything that takes even a little bit of skill/teamwork dont you, hehe, stay in pve buddy.

Cause you know facts mean you hate teamwork. This is why there is no reasonable discussion to be had with the “GvG crowd”

Cause you know, siege war is so much more reasonable. Sitting back with twice the numbers on higher elevation so you can treb without being countered. So interesting. And PPT is totally an accurate method of evaluating skill, nothing to do with coverage.

See my point exemplified once again. To say that coordinating a ppt based initiative is less of a teamwork effort than fighting with your guild is woefully ignorant and one of the reasons GvGers come across as petulant, unreasonable, and elitist.

And to sit there and bash the GvG community with such strong bias makes you come across as petulant, unreasonable, and elitist.

wow this event has changed a lot

Sanduskel.1850:

Jinks.2057:

mrstealth.6701:

ArchonWing.9480:

Except they are part of the competition. Just not in the way people demand…

snip

It’s time to stop posting b/c its well documented, even in the apology, that WvW is to played how each individual wants to play it.

All you are doing is making yourself look bad and misrepresenting your server.

Enough.

So you are a mod now?

I think he just didn’t like what I had to say, and chose a poor way to express that.

As for the apology post, all he did was refer to wvw as a “free-for-all battle”, which is fairly generic yet accurate description of the wvw game mode as it was designed. It’s too general of a statement to start picking it apart the semantics of what it implies is allowed.

The overall message was condemning any action that is disruptive of others’ gameplay. I believe that in some circumstances, gvgs can have a negative impact other’s gameplay, as that is something I have experienced myself. I’m in no way saying that gvgs should stop happening, because they are something that many people enjoy. What I am saying is that gvg matches should be handled in manner that minimizes their impact on everyone else in wvw.

Make sure others are aware of what is going on, so that queue issues can be prevented instead of becoming a problem mid-battle. There is a good chance that either the wvw fight or the gvg can be moved to another map to avoid problems. Do keep in mind that not every non-hardcore/gvg guild group in wvw is a karma train that can simply move to another map. There are strategies and tactics involved, and sometimes that requires a force’s presence on a particular map.

I’m not sure how many times I have to say it, but we can all co-exist on in wvw with just a little cooperation and communication. Insisting that gvg never interferes or that wvw/PPT is somehow inferior or less important does nothing but create resentment and prevent the necessary cooperation from happening.

Glad to see ANet got royally mad over reporting an employee and infracted OP.
P.S; The infraction to OP i believe is bologna.

People that are mad about their servers guilds GvG’ing should really get a grip.

To give an example, we had 17 GvG’s over the past 7 months. That is roughly 40 hours spent on GvG’s. We have daily raids for about 4/5 hours in primetime.

Thus we have spend around 1000 hours roaming as an organized force defending and attacking objectives. 4% was spent on GvG’s.

Guilds are a huge part of daily coverage and bring alot more to the table than a random zerg. If they spent a little of their time testing their strength against others you have 0 reason to complain.

People that are mad about their servers guild GvG’ing should actually try joining such a guild. I’m pretty sure they will see WvW with different eyes afterwards. Also for the devs, you should make a dev guild that consists only from developers and anet employees, sit in a server and start playing in WvW. Likewise I’m pretty sure that you will see with different eyes WvW afterwards. Furthermore if you didn’t have holidays in summer, please forget for any updates for a month and GO HOLIDAYS…