Some sort of reprimand is definitely in order, even something as severe as firing.
Well I hope Anet will avoid a reaction this drastic. There is no reason for someone to lose their job over something like this.
This incident may end up being positive overall if it leads to changes in the way Anet communicates with the players. A more respectful tone on the part of the devs is in order as is more open communications. Speak your piece Anet, tell us the truth and let the chips fall where they may. Listen to our responses and try to understand some people are going to be upset when they see the hundreds of hours they have invested in the game being threatened by poor decisions. Many of us would like to know where you stand on the issue of GvG and dissatisfaction with WvW. We recognize you may not have a solution at hand but at least tell us what you think about the problem, because it is a problem.
Riondron.1069… I guess you missed my post earlier today. Can you please post the statistics to back up your previous claim that most GvG-ers wait for camps, don’t know how to place siege, PvD without clearing siege, only know how to attack out in the open, don’t treb, and don’t upgrade? I would really love to see them. Pretty please with sugar on top? XoXo <3
My statistics? Sure why not. Here they are…..
My “statistics” are based on observations directly made by myself across several servers.
AND observations by many of my friends (RL and in game) who are spread about many different servers.
AND reading the same things that I have stated in these forums.
AND simply just paying attention to the examples of such acts observed by other players in game, on the map chat.
AND trying to command on a map during and after such gvg meeting, and all gold that I and others have spent upgrading and dropping siege.
So there are my statistics. Now let’s see yours. I am really intrigued over the possibility of how you can prove that the items I previously pointed out in multiple threads DOESNT happen. I am excitedly awaiting your response
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The Dev deserves punishment but those players need a ban imho. Such childish and toxic abuse shouldn’t be tolerated no matter the situation. And this thread needs to be locked…
Riondron.1069… I guess you missed my post earlier today. Can you please post the statistics to back up your previous claim that most GvG-ers wait for camps, don’t know how to place siege, PvD without clearing siege, only know how to attack out in the open, don’t treb, and don’t upgrade? I would really love to see them. Pretty please with sugar on top? XoXo <3
My statistics? Sure why not. Here they are…..
My “statistics” are based on observations directly made by myself across several servers.
AND observations by many of my friends (RL and in game) who are spread about many different servers.
AND reading the same things that I have stated in these forums.
AND simply just paying attention to the examples of such acts observed by other players in game, on the map chat.
AND trying to command on a map during and after such gvg meeting, and all gold that I and others have spent upgrading and dropping siege.
So there are my statistics. Now let’s see yours. I am really intrigued over the possibility of how you can prove that the items I previously pointed out in multiple threads DOESNT happen. I am excitedly awaiting your response
Ummm… you know that personal observation is one of the worst ways to gather this sort of information right? You’re not online 24/7 viewing all the GvG guilds doing WvW… or anything remotely close to that. Your response to me asking for numbers to back up your claim is that you have seen it and your friends claim to have seen it. Wat?
I didn’t claim to have any statistics (you don’t have any good ones either though). I have seen guilds that do GvG doing the sorts of things you claim they don’t, but like I said… those aren’t any good for statistics.
Thanks for showing that you’re just basing your points on this sort of stuff though. It tells volumes about the validity of your posts.
Really? How about the gvg’ers start having respect for their server by actually contributing. And if those same guilds can’t get the ‘data’ they need by fighting for real in wvw, then they should probably be playing Mario Cart.
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In my experience, the majority of those gvg guilds ONLY play for gvg, and don’t care less about ppt, ranking, or the wvw population in general. I hear it from them all the time, and it is well stated in the forums as well. Most of the comments about it boil down to this: “don’t interfere with our gvg matches, but either way, we aren’t going to help you out at all”. I have never seen gvg guild in a current ‘private’ gvg match ever leave the match to go save bay, hills, garri, ,or the keep in eb, because they are too busy in their match to go help out the server.
Interesting… In a post a while back (if you actively read this forum instead of just coming here for the sake of argument that is), you’ll find a post by Devon Carver saying about server balance that if a server doesn’t have enough coverage, they should muster their pve community. However, what if those doing pve doesn’t want to help their server? Doesn’t they fall into your ad-hoc reasoning that they aren’t helping out your server with the ppt and perhaps will make you do not do so great in the league? Then by that low standard as that reasoning is they should be abused, interferred, called names and rideculed. It’s all about ppt right, so why aren’t everybody chipping in. GvG players usually stay in WvW and pull their share for the oh so glorious ppt. Pve players pop in then leave for pve again. Is that contributing to the servers success? Is that to be commended or condemned?
Respect how others want to play and put your energy on how you are playing instead how others play. thats the only way to develop as a player.
Server “A” only GvGs against Server “B”. That is all they do for 7 days is GvG while server “C” plays the game as designed by capping all the objectives. At the end of those 7 days which server would have the highest score? Anyone care to do the math?
The answer to that question should end this argument.
I have never seen a company express so much contempt for its customers.
First the patch from hell which was a big f you to the entire community ignoring a year’s worth of feedback and now this arrogant snub on top of it?
They need to replace top management in the company for attitudes like this to change. This is a much bigger issue than one employee’s behavior.
And I have never seen such contempt from a gaming community that purchases a product and complains that it isn’t what they wanted, and demands changes to something they don’t like. Stop demanding and start giving some consideration to the fact that it is Anet’s game, not yours; they can and will do with it what they want. Anet is in business to make a profit, and they can’t do that by catering to every whim from petulant children. Don’t like it? Either design your own game, or play a different one…believe it or not, you really do have that power, no one is going to stop you, and Anet won’t miss your crying kitten. This game will be around for Years, and there will always be people who buy it and enjoy it for what is was intended and designed to be.
And to those who’s only complaint is that there is no gvg support: the game is designed for wvwvw….Did you buy a Hoover vacuum cleaner expecting to turn it into a Peterbuilt, just by sheer strength of will and your idea that ‘it should be’ just by complaining enough?
As they say in sales, “There’s a sucker born every minute”
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Server “A” only GvGs against Server “B”. That is all they do for 7 days is GvG while server “C” plays the game as designed by capping all the objectives. At the end of those 7 days which server would have the highest score? Anyone care to do the math?
The answer to that question should end this argument.
Do you maybe live in an alternate universe?
If you’re going to give us a math problem that’s supposed to answer a question in the real world, you should give us an example of something in the real world. Since when has any server ONLY gvg’d another server for 7 days?
Maybe you don’t realize, but a gvg just takes about 20-45 minutes and most guilds do 1-3 per week (if any). 3×0.75 /= 7×24, I’m pretty sure that’s about as obvious as it gets.
No guild does only GvG. GvG guild = WvW guild, it’s just that sometimes they go to a remote area of the map to have a balanced fight with an enemy guild for 30 minutes, and then continue with wvw. So for 30 minutes you’re missing, 10-20 players out of 100 or so that can be on the map.
GW2 has no GvG, if someone wants to play GvG, buy/play a game with GvG, easy as that. I don’t see the problem and the Dev is/was right. He could have used other words, but holy kitten, is the GvG-Com ******.
>It is very sad and tragic of how the Act of Sincere Remorseful Apology suddenly deserves the Death Penalty.<—- This -_-
GW2 has no GvG, if someone wants to play GvG, buy/play a game with GvG, easy as that. I don’t see the problem and the Dev is/was right. He could have used other words, but holy kitten, is the GvG-Com ******.
>It is very sad and tragic of how the Act of Sincere Remorseful Apology suddenly deserves the Death Penalty.<—- This -_-
Read the post just above yours, as well as many others in the thread…. (although might be too many to read xD)
You’re bringing up things that have been busted before. And to scold at an entire community as a whole is kind of immature. Apparently we have a bad attitude, go look in the mirror and re-evaluate yours.
Really? How about the gvg’ers start having respect for their server by actually contributing. And if those same guilds can’t get the ‘data’ they need by fighting for real in wvw, then they should probably be playing Mario Cart.
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In my experience, the majority of those gvg guilds ONLY play for gvg, and don’t care less about ppt, ranking, or the wvw population in general. I hear it from them all the time, and it is well stated in the forums as well. Most of the comments about it boil down to this: “don’t interfere with our gvg matches, but either way, we aren’t going to help you out at all”. I have never seen gvg guild in a current ‘private’ gvg match ever leave the match to go save bay, hills, garri, ,or the keep in eb, because they are too busy in their match to go help out the server.
Interesting… In a post a while back (if you actively read this forum instead of just coming here for the sake of argument that is), you’ll find a post by Devon Carver saying about server balance that if a server doesn’t have enough coverage, they should muster their pve community. However, what if those doing pve doesn’t want to help their server? Doesn’t they fall into your ad-hoc reasoning that they aren’t helping out your server with the ppt and perhaps will make you do not do so great in the league? Then by that low standard as that reasoning is they should be abused, interferred, called names and rideculed. It’s all about ppt right, so why aren’t everybody chipping in. GvG players usually stay in WvW and pull their share for the oh so glorious ppt. Pve players pop in then leave for pve again. Is that contributing to the servers success? Is that to be commended or condemned?
Respect how others want to play and put your energy on how you are playing instead how others play. thats the only way to develop as a player.
If you actually read and absorbed my earlier posts, you will plainly see that I explained my reasoning as to why I don’t consider pve players in any way, shape or form. Yes I read Devon’s post. And I really haven’t mentioned total server population as being a defining factor, as I have observed otherwise on several occasions. I merely explained (quite plainly, so even the not-so-swift could under stand) how gvg matches affect the wvw community. I may be mistaken, but the initial game descriptions state WvW and sPvP, not GvG. So who are the fools? Not the people who bought the game as-it. No, it is those who bought the game knowing the game description, and demanding that it be something else. Even a caveman can understand that very very very simple concept.
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The Dev deserves punishment but those players need a ban imho. Such childish and toxic abuse shouldn’t be tolerated no matter the situation. And this thread needs to be locked…
After seeing the video, not just the screenshots, I agree with that. I don’t think the Anet employ did enough to be fired, but he does deserve some sort of punishment, and maybe have his ability to use that tag removed to prevent future incidents. I was actually expecting to see more inappropriate conduct from this employee in the video, but the screenshots cover pretty much everything he did/said.
The players’ responses were actually worse than anything he did, and at least one or two deserve a suspension. Almost immediately resorting to namecalling/insults is surely not going to help the situation.
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Server “A” only GvGs against Server “B”. That is all they do for 7 days is GvG while server “C” plays the game as designed by capping all the objectives. At the end of those 7 days which server would have the highest score? Anyone care to do the math?
The answer to that question should end this argument.
Do you maybe live in an alternate universe?
If you’re going to give us a math problem that’s supposed to answer a question in the real world, you should give us an example of something in the real world. Since when has any server ONLY gvg’d another server for 7 days?
Maybe you don’t realize, but a gvg just takes about 20-45 minutes and most guilds do 1-3 per week (if any). 3×0.75 /= 7×24, I’m pretty sure that’s about as obvious as it gets.
No guild does only GvG. GvG guild = WvW guild, it’s just that sometimes they go to a remote area of the map to have a balanced fight with an enemy guild for 30 minutes, and then continue with wvw. So for 30 minutes you’re missing, 10-20 players out of 100 or so that can be on the map.
And in your universe, GvG only happens one day a week, when the rest of us know better. And apparently in your universe, an entire map just simply does not get flipped in 30 minutes by server ‘C’. But little do you know, that when A B & C are all fighting on the same map, that said map does not get turned all one color, assuming equal numbers of players, or course.
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Kill a few: there won’t be a many
Server “A” only GvGs against Server “B”. That is all they do for 7 days is GvG while server “C” plays the game as designed by capping all the objectives. At the end of those 7 days which server would have the highest score? Anyone care to do the math?
The answer to that question should end this argument.
Do you maybe live in an alternate universe?
If you’re going to give us a math problem that’s supposed to answer a question in the real world, you should give us an example of something in the real world. Since when has any server ONLY gvg’d another server for 7 days?
Maybe you don’t realize, but a gvg just takes about 20-45 minutes and most guilds do 1-3 per week (if any). 3×0.75 /= 7×24, I’m pretty sure that’s about as obvious as it gets.
No guild does only GvG. GvG guild = WvW guild, it’s just that sometimes they go to a remote area of the map to have a balanced fight with an enemy guild for 30 minutes, and then continue with wvw. So for 30 minutes you’re missing, 10-20 players out of 100 or so that can be on the map.
And in your universe, GvG only happens one day a week, when the rest of us know better. And apparently in your universe, an entire map just simply does not get flipped in 30 minutes by server ‘C’. But little do you know, that when A B & C are all fighting on the same map, that said map does not get turned all one color, assuming equal numbers of players, or course.
- 1 day? Go read what I said
- You’re pretending server C never does any gvg
- Those 30 minutes per 2 guilds (40 ppl) really don’t have as much as an impact as the other 23.5 hours (300 ppl)
- If server A and B have 2 guilds gvging eachother, instead of 100vs100vs100 it’ll be 100vs80vs80. If guilds can beat others 20vs30-40-50 (depending on if its a guild or pugs), then 80vs100 for 30 minutes should be nothing to cry about. Do I cry when a guild is gvging while I wvw? Hell I don’t even notice it. Why should I care
Before gvgs, ppl complained that after monday wvw is boring, a server already won, blablabla. Now we have something interesting to do for 30 minutes during those last days and people’s heads explode.
Maybe people think it’s 30 guilds doing gvgs at the same time, all day every day or something.
No guild does only GvG. GvG guild = WvW guild, it’s just that sometimes they go to a remote area of the map to have a balanced fight with an enemy guild for 30 minutes, and then continue with wvw. So for 30 minutes you’re missing, 10-20 players out of 100 or so that can be on the map.
I’m not so sure about that. I assume that the majority are also active wvw guilds, but I’m almost certain that doesn’t apply to all. I’ve seen guilds that I know do gvgs, but don’t seem to have much organized wvw presence outside of that.
There are gvg guilds on YB now that I know are quite active in wvw, both as a guild unit and just running with pugs/other guilds. But I know there have some on YB in the past that didn’t have much presence in wvw.
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This will probably drown in the amount of comments but I’ll try regardless:
Chris, you stated that the Anet employee was in the wrong. Then why did the OP get infracted for his post? This doesn’t add up.
Thought about that too Probably they thought, we’ll infract the guy, DAMAGE CONTROL. Then they noticed infracting him didn’t work so they decided someone needed to reply and still the crowd.
And are you completely blind to the fact that the reason why us wvw’ers are complain about gvg’ers is because those silly matches happen just about every day of the week?
And I suppose that you are also blind to the fact that a 20man gvg match taking place while 5 ppl are trying to defend their bl against a 15-20 man zerg and loose the entire bl just doesn’t happen? And I can’t tell you how many times on my previous server that we were ‘blown out’ by Monday, and still managed to place first for match by reset. Give me a break!
You clearly have no idea on how to siege if you lose any objectives to 15 people.
Also you said GvG guilds don’t know how to attack/defend objectives which means they can’t help you save these objectives either way it sounds like you’re on your own.
Before gvgs, ppl complained that after monday wvw is boring, a server already won, blablabla. Now we have something interesting to do for 30 minutes during those last days and people’s heads explode.
Well match victory is still decided the moment the match-up is reset, cause it’s always like this that we get server A (huge population) server B (moderate population) server C (moderate/low population). Server A wins. Game over. It’s just a terribly bad balancing system.
Sorry maybe I’m missing something since the screenshots are way too small and difficult to read, but it seems that two guilds got really snarky for NO REASON just because someone showed up nearby them in WvW.
I don’t see how you can get mad at someone for being there in WvW and voicing their reaction to what they’re seeing.
How many people have shown up to your matches and called it stupid before this staff member? I bet a lot have. What did you do when the other people did? You let it pass and got over it.
Maybe the staffer shouldn’t have been so personal about it, but it’s not like his opinion about your unsupported match-ups is invalid. Just roll with the punches and deal with the inevitable downsides of playing an unsupported game mode.
ANet and the WvW team had a great product pre wow-transformation mode. Now it’s just a complete mess.
I’d like to debate this. At the launch, they had a great product, for it being a new game (yes they had bugs, yes there was lack of balance, but that was normal for a new game).
It had rather good quality for that phase of development, but they just didn’t add up to the game in the months after, so it still is more or less as buggy and unbalanced and consequently it is rather bad for a game that has been out for over a year.
Sorry maybe I’m missing something since the screenshots are way too small and difficult to read, but it seems that two guilds got really snarky for NO REASON just because someone showed up nearby them in WvW.
I don’t see how you can get mad at someone for being there in WvW and voicing their reaction to what they’re seeing.
How many people have shown up to your matches and called it stupid before this staff member? I bet a lot have. What did you do when the other people did? You let it pass and got over it.
Maybe the staffer shouldn’t have been so personal about it, but it’s not like his opinion about your unsupported match-ups is invalid. Just roll with the punches and deal with the inevitable downsides of playing an unsupported game mode.
That place is the unofficial GvG arena, everyone knows that…. nobody really has any business there except for GvG, so people standing there are usually deliberately trying to sabotage the GvG. The simplest solution is just to kill them, sadly that is something the dev made impossible cause he decided to show force tagging up.
Server “A” only GvGs against Server “B”. That is all they do for 7 days is GvG while server “C” plays the game as designed by capping all the objectives. At the end of those 7 days which server would have the highest score? Anyone care to do the math?
The answer to that question should end this argument.
Do you maybe live in an alternate universe?
If you’re going to give us a math problem that’s supposed to answer a question in the real world, you should give us an example of something in the real world. Since when has any server ONLY gvg’d another server for 7 days?
Maybe you don’t realize, but a gvg just takes about 20-45 minutes and most guilds do 1-3 per week (if any). 3×0.75 /= 7×24, I’m pretty sure that’s about as obvious as it gets.
No guild does only GvG. GvG guild = WvW guild, it’s just that sometimes they go to a remote area of the map to have a balanced fight with an enemy guild for 30 minutes, and then continue with wvw. So for 30 minutes you’re missing, 10-20 players out of 100 or so that can be on the map.
And in your universe, GvG only happens one day a week, when the rest of us know better. And apparently in your universe, an entire map just simply does not get flipped in 30 minutes by server ‘C’. But little do you know, that when A B & C are all fighting on the same map, that said map does not get turned all one color, assuming equal numbers of players, or course.
- 1 day? Go read what I said
- You’re pretending server C never does any gvg
- Those 30 minutes per 2 guilds (40 ppl) really don’t have as much as an impact as the other 23.5 hours (300 ppl)
Before gvgs, ppl complained that after monday wvw is boring, a server already won, blablabla. Now we have something interesting to do for 30 minutes during those last days and people’s heads explode.
Maybe people think it’s 30 guilds doing gvgs at the same time, all day every day or something.
-“Since when has any server ONLY gvg’d another server for 7 days?” Yeah, I read it. You did NOT say every day. But what you said was….“Maybe you don’t realize, but a gvg just takes about 20-45 minutes and most guilds do 1-3 per week (if any).”
Oh noooos! looks like you did say 1 day. Should I underline it for you?
-And yes, these kind of things heavily effect lower pop servers. Especially in the off hours when only 2-3 players can make all the difference.
-Maybe the scenarios you describe truly do happen on your server (universe- yeah, the pun was intentional on my first reply), please don’t assume that it applies to all the servers, nor on the servers that I have witnessed firsthand. And don’t even try to say that I said all servers, made a reference to, nor implied such. The gentleman you replied to was describing what we have all been talking about on the servers (universes) with which we have experienced these things. None of us are stupid
enough to even imply such, and anyone who takes it as that is kind of narrow-minded, and neither did we feel that your version applies to all universes (servers).
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I merely explained (quite plainly, so even the not-so-swift could under stand) how gvg matches affect the wvw community.
By providing WvW guilds with an organized way to hone their combat skills and theorycraft, and give that back to the larger community?
By recruiting/retaining players and commanders who originally wouldn’t have touched WvW with a ten foot pole because of the unorganized nature of the format, into WvW and make them a valuable asset of open field combat?
By making them actually care about WvW, whereas they wouldn’t if there were no GvG?
I may be mistaken, but the initial game descriptions state WvW and sPvP, not GvG. So who are the fools? Not the people who bought the game as-it. No, it is those who bought the game knowing the game description, and demanding that it be something else. Even a caveman can understand that very very very simple concept.
What is WvW? Chopping trees? Doing jumping puzzles? Fighting veteran boars? Standing around in the spawn to craft? Because you can do all of that in WvW. And it’s not PvP.
I see apologies from one side (Anet), I do not see any apologies of the other. Looking at the chat in the OP-picture those people should be ashamed to talk like this, and their guild leaders should apologize on their behalf.
Server “A” only GvGs against Server “B”. That is all they do for 7 days is GvG while server “C” plays the game as designed by capping all the objectives. At the end of those 7 days which server would have the highest score? Anyone care to do the math?
The answer to that question should end this argument.
Do you maybe live in an alternate universe?
If you’re going to give us a math problem that’s supposed to answer a question in the real world, you should give us an example of something in the real world. Since when has any server ONLY gvg’d another server for 7 days?
Maybe you don’t realize, but a gvg just takes about 20-45 minutes and most guilds do 1-3 per week (if any). 3×0.75 /= 7×24, I’m pretty sure that’s about as obvious as it gets.
No guild does only GvG. GvG guild = WvW guild, it’s just that sometimes they go to a remote area of the map to have a balanced fight with an enemy guild for 30 minutes, and then continue with wvw. So for 30 minutes you’re missing, 10-20 players out of 100 or so that can be on the map.
And in your universe, GvG only happens one day a week, when the rest of us know better. And apparently in your universe, an entire map just simply does not get flipped in 30 minutes by server ‘C’. But little do you know, that when A B & C are all fighting on the same map, that said map does not get turned all one color, assuming equal numbers of players, or course.
- 1 day? Go read what I said
- You’re pretending server C never does any gvg
- Those 30 minutes per 2 guilds (40 ppl) really don’t have as much as an impact as the other 23.5 hours (300 ppl)
Before gvgs, ppl complained that after monday wvw is boring, a server already won, blablabla. Now we have something interesting to do for 30 minutes during those last days and people’s heads explode.
Maybe people think it’s 30 guilds doing gvgs at the same time, all day every day or something.
-“Since when has any server ONLY gvg’d another server for 7 days?” Yeah, I read it. You did NOT say every day. But what you said was….“Maybe you don’t realize, but a gvg just takes about 20-45 minutes and most guilds do 1-3 per week (if any).”
Oh noooos! looks like you did say 1 day. Should I underline it for you?
-And yes, these kind of things heavily effect lower pop servers. Especially in the off hours when only 2-3 players can make all the difference.
-Maybe the scenarios you describe truly do happen on your server (universe- yeah, the pun was intentional on my first reply), please don’t assume that it applies to all the servers, nor on the servers that I have witnessed firsthand. And don’t even try to say that I said all servers, made a reference to, nor implied such. The gentleman you replied to was describing what we have all been talking about on the servers (universes) with which we have experienced these things. None of us are stupid
enough to even imply such, and anyone who takes it as that is kind of narrow-minded, and neither did we feel that your version applies to all universes (servers).
“1-3 per week (if any)”
That means “1 to 3 per week, if they do any at all”
Couldn’t care to read the rest of your post, since if you already can’t understand that, I’m done talking to you
And are you completely blind to the fact that the reason why us wvw’ers are complain about gvg’ers is because those silly matches happen just about every day of the week?
And I suppose that you are also blind to the fact that a 20man gvg match taking place while 5 ppl are trying to defend their bl against a 15-20 man zerg and loose the entire bl just doesn’t happen? And I can’t tell you how many times on my previous server that we were ‘blown out’ by Monday, and still managed to place first for match by reset. Give me a break!
You clearly have no idea on how to siege if you lose any objectives to 15 people.
Also you said GvG guilds don’t know how to attack/defend objectives which means they can’t help you save these objectives either way it sounds like you’re on your own.
And you clearly have never tried to defend with only 5 against 15-20 on a bl map with extremely slow navigation and no wp’s built. Or maybe you have just never seen such a group of 15-20 split off into 5man groups and cap all the camps before you even have a chance to get there? wow. just wow.
And if you can actually read and comprehend the words on your screen, you will notice that earlier I said ‘not all gvg guilds’. So please, read the words I type exactly how I wrote them, and don’t throw in baseless assumptions of what I said. And if you haven’t experienced what I described happening on your server, then that’s a good thing. And no, I did not say nor imply all servers in my description.
You clearly have no idea how to give a smart kitten reply because of your own factual mistakes, or you have poor reading comprehension skills. Either way, it sounds like you’re on your own.
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Server “A” only GvGs against Server “B”. That is all they do for 7 days is GvG while server “C” plays the game as designed by capping all the objectives. At the end of those 7 days which server would have the highest score? Anyone care to do the math?
The answer to that question should end this argument.
Do you maybe live in an alternate universe?
If you’re going to give us a math problem that’s supposed to answer a question in the real world, you should give us an example of something in the real world. Since when has any server ONLY gvg’d another server for 7 days?
Maybe you don’t realize, but a gvg just takes about 20-45 minutes and most guilds do 1-3 per week (if any). 3×0.75 /= 7×24, I’m pretty sure that’s about as obvious as it gets.
No guild does only GvG. GvG guild = WvW guild, it’s just that sometimes they go to a remote area of the map to have a balanced fight with an enemy guild for 30 minutes, and then continue with wvw. So for 30 minutes you’re missing, 10-20 players out of 100 or so that can be on the map.
And in your universe, GvG only happens one day a week, when the rest of us know better. And apparently in your universe, an entire map just simply does not get flipped in 30 minutes by server ‘C’. But little do you know, that when A B & C are all fighting on the same map, that said map does not get turned all one color, assuming equal numbers of players, or course.
- 1 day? Go read what I said
- You’re pretending server C never does any gvg
- Those 30 minutes per 2 guilds (40 ppl) really don’t have as much as an impact as the other 23.5 hours (300 ppl)
Before gvgs, ppl complained that after monday wvw is boring, a server already won, blablabla. Now we have something interesting to do for 30 minutes during those last days and people’s heads explode.
Maybe people think it’s 30 guilds doing gvgs at the same time, all day every day or something.
-“Since when has any server ONLY gvg’d another server for 7 days?” Yeah, I read it. You did NOT say every day. But what you said was….“Maybe you don’t realize, but a gvg just takes about 20-45 minutes and most guilds do 1-3 per week (if any).”
Oh noooos! looks like you did say 1 day. Should I underline it for you?
-And yes, these kind of things heavily effect lower pop servers. Especially in the off hours when only 2-3 players can make all the difference.
-Maybe the scenarios you describe truly do happen on your server (universe- yeah, the pun was intentional on my first reply), please don’t assume that it applies to all the servers, nor on the servers that I have witnessed firsthand. And don’t even try to say that I said all servers, made a reference to, nor implied such. The gentleman you replied to was describing what we have all been talking about on the servers (universes) with which we have experienced these things. None of us are stupid
enough to even imply such, and anyone who takes it as that is kind of narrow-minded, and neither did we feel that your version applies to all universes (servers).
“1-3 per week (if any)”
That means “1 to 3 per week, and sometimes none”
Couldn’t care to read the rest of your post, since if you already can’t understand that, I’m done talking to you
It means 1 or 2 or 3. go learn the basic mechanics of how to read and write the English language. I think they still teach that stuff in first grade.
“I’m done talking to you”…..Good. That is the most awe inspiring, intelligent thing you have typed so far. Way to go, sunshine!
Commander Kitadia
NSP
Kill a few: there won’t be a many
GW2 has no GvG, if someone wants to play GvG, buy/play a game with GvG, easy as that.
You are really acting like a little child. You can deny it and you can say it to yourself over and over again but that does not make your statement true. GvG is existing in GW2 and it has a rather big scene. Bigger than the SPvP guys according to stream viewers.
It means 1 or 2 or 3. go learn the basic mechanics of how to read and write the English language. I think they still teach that stuff in first grade.
“I’m done talking to you”…..Good. That is the most awe inspiring, intelligent thing you have typed so far. Way to go, sunshine!
lmao, you finally got it! 1-3 = 1 or 2 or 3 indeed. good job. Took a while
lmao, you still don’t get it! 1-3 = 1 or 2 or 3 I’ll beak it down fer ya, cuz I really am a nice guy.
The statement 1 or 2 or 3, means in very plain, simple English, that it COULD BE 1.
Or it COULD BE 2.
Or it COULD BE 3.
Not seeing the plain, simple connection here?
What this all means is that you said 1
And you also said 2.
(but wait I’m not finished yet)
And you also said 3.
Conclusion: (drumroll please)
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.
.
.
.
You still did in fact, SAY 1
holey-moley! could it be? is that the final answer? or should we let the audience decide?
lol, by the way, didn’t you say you were finished with talking to me? Or maybe you really didn’t say that either? I’m finally starting to have fun on this post!
lol
Commander Kitadia
NSP
Kill a few: there won’t be a many
It means 1 or 2 or 3. go learn the basic mechanics of how to read and write the English language. I think they still teach that stuff in first grade.
“I’m done talking to you”…..Good. That is the most awe inspiring, intelligent thing you have typed so far. Way to go, sunshine!
lmao, you finally got it! 1-3 = 1 or 2 or 3 indeed. good job. Took a while
lmao, you still don’t get it! 1-3 = 1 or 2 or 3 I’ll beak it down fer ya, cuz I really am a nice guy.
The statement 1 or 2 or 3, means in very plain, simple English, that it COULD BE 1.
Or it COULD BE 2.
Or it COULD BE 3.
Not seeing the plain, simple connection here?
What this all means is that you said 1
And you also said 2.
(but wait I’m not finished yet)
And you also said 3.
Conclusion: (drumroll please)
.
.
.
.
.
You still did in fact, SAY 1
holey-moley! could it be? is that the final answer? or should we let the audience decide?
lol, by the way, didn’t you say you were finished with talking to me? Or maybe you really didn’t say that either? I’m finally starting to have fun on this post!
lol
What? It was pretty obvious that he said if there were any (as in, more than 0), it could be any number between 1 and 3.
Are you jsut completely ignoring the “if any” bit? What are you even trying to say or prove here? I’m not sure if I should blame my English udnerstanding or yours for this confusion, I’m currently leaning towards yours though.
Losing one’s job over this is definitely overkill, and unreasonable. Whatever he gets, let’s hope it isn’t that. This thread really does need to be locked, ASAP.
It means 1 or 2 or 3. go learn the basic mechanics of how to read and write the English language. I think they still teach that stuff in first grade.
“I’m done talking to you”…..Good. That is the most awe inspiring, intelligent thing you have typed so far. Way to go, sunshine!
lmao, you finally got it! 1-3 = 1 or 2 or 3 indeed. good job. Took a while
lmao, you still don’t get it! 1-3 = 1 or 2 or 3 I’ll beak it down fer ya, cuz I really am a nice guy.
The statement 1 or 2 or 3, means in very plain, simple English, that it COULD BE 1.
Or it COULD BE 2.
Or it COULD BE 3.
Not seeing the plain, simple connection here?
What this all means is that you said 1
And you also said 2.
(but wait I’m not finished yet)
And you also said 3.
Conclusion: (drumroll please)
.
.
.
.
.
You still did in fact, SAY 1
holey-moley! could it be? is that the final answer? or should we let the audience decide?
lol, by the way, didn’t you say you were finished with talking to me? Or maybe you really didn’t say that either? I’m finally starting to have fun on this post!
lol
What? It was pretty obvious that he said if there were any (as in, more than 0), it could be any number between 1 and 3.
Are you jsut completely ignoring the “if any” bit? What are you even trying to say or prove here? I’m not sure if I should blame my English udnerstanding or yours for this confusion, I’m currently leaning towards yours though.
Yes it could be any number between 1 and 3, but this still includes “1” in his statement, and also includes “2”, and also includes “3”. It’s obvious too that if he included “1” in the statement, it means that he is plainly stating that it could in fact, be “1” or maybe “2” or maybe “3”. I am not ruling out the other number of days, nor the lack thereof.
When referring to a ‘number’ of days in and either/or situation, yes, he did in fact say “1” My evidence to this is further proved by the fact that the poster actually typed the numeral “1” in his statement implying that it could very will mean “1 day” or more than “1 day”, or as his sentence continued, “less than 1 day”.
Commander Kitadia
NSP
Kill a few: there won’t be a many
It means 1 or 2 or 3. go learn the basic mechanics of how to read and write the English language. I think they still teach that stuff in first grade.
“I’m done talking to you”…..Good. That is the most awe inspiring, intelligent thing you have typed so far. Way to go, sunshine!
lmao, you finally got it! 1-3 = 1 or 2 or 3 indeed. good job. Took a while
lmao, you still don’t get it! 1-3 = 1 or 2 or 3 I’ll beak it down fer ya, cuz I really am a nice guy.
The statement 1 or 2 or 3, means in very plain, simple English, that it COULD BE 1.
Or it COULD BE 2.
Or it COULD BE 3.
Not seeing the plain, simple connection here?
What this all means is that you said 1
And you also said 2.
(but wait I’m not finished yet)
And you also said 3.
Conclusion: (drumroll please)
.
.
.
.
.
You still did in fact, SAY 1
holey-moley! could it be? is that the final answer? or should we let the audience decide?
lol, by the way, didn’t you say you were finished with talking to me? Or maybe you really didn’t say that either? I’m finally starting to have fun on this post!
lol
What? It was pretty obvious that he said if there were any (as in, more than 0), it could be any number between 1 and 3.
Are you jsut completely ignoring the “if any” bit? What are you even trying to say or prove here? I’m not sure if I should blame my English udnerstanding or yours for this confusion, I’m currently leaning towards yours though.
Yes it could be any number between 1 and 3, but this still includes “1” in his statement, and also includes “2”, and also includes “3”. It’s obvious too that if he included “1” in the statement, it means that he is plainly stating that it could in fact, be “1” or maybe “2” or maybe “3”. I am not ruling out the other number of days, nor the lack thereof.
When referring to a ‘number’ of days in and either/or situation, yes, he did in fact say “1” My evidence to this is further proved by the fact that the poster actually typed the numeral “1” in his statement implying that it could very will mean “1 day” or more than “1 day”, or as his sentence continued, “less than 1 day”.
Someone please get these people an interval notation diagram !
Commander Logain Redwood – Isle of Janthir
Guildmaster of [CORE] Company of the Red Elite
Andddddd… we reached 1000 posts. Congratulations for anti-skill people, for reacting so long that the pro-skill people could fill in 500 posts in reply!
Andddddd… we reached 1000 posts. Congratulations for anti-skill people, for reacting so long that the pro-skill people could fill in 500 posts in reply!
How does GvG require more skill than the regular WvW?
Probably they thought, we’ll infract the guy, DAMAGE CONTROL. Then they noticed infracting him didn’t work so they decided someone needed to reply and still the crowd.