Guild Wars 2

Chris Whiteside.6102:

Hi All,

I wanted to comment about the incident that happened recently in-game, surrounding some negative community interaction from a member of the ArenaNet staff.

Simply put a big mistake was made by one of our employees, for which he is both very upset and sorry. He allowed his personal feelings to affect his interactions in-game whilst representing ArenaNet, and this is absolutely unacceptable.

Like all players, we are human, and all have our opinions on the game. However these opinions should never disrupt other player’s enjoyment of the things they love. On top of this we have worked very hard to create a community that is respectful to one another, and for this behavior to have occurred while a developer is representing ArenaNet is doubly saddening.

We all cherish the opportunity to play with the community, and we absolutely rely on you all for in game feedback, and personally I hope that this incident does not hamper what has so far been an amazing relationship and opportunity for us all.

I would therefore like to sincerely apologize for this behavior on behalf of our staff member. We are taking steps to address the incident and for his part, he is very sorry for behaving in the manner in which he did.

Regarding Guild game play, please understand it is extremely important to us, and an area we are paying a great deal of attention to, so please do be patient with the developers who work tirelessly on making WvW the very best it can be, they have a great deal of respect for you all, and value your collaboration in pushing this pioneering mode forward. Also please note this member of staff is not on the WvW team.

Finally, World vs. World is a free-for-all battle. Our expectation of staff is that they should be playing, and enjoying the game like everyone else, and not being disruptive or disrespectful to others.

And in this spirit I hope we can move forward, and continue, what has up to this point, been a great community/developer relationship. One that I know our team massively values and loves.

Thank you all for your time and i hope you have a lovely weekend,

ChrisW

Reminds me of this lol.
http://youtu.be/9u0EL_u4nvw

And everything goes back to normal

Riondron.1069:

Centrix.4065:

Riondron.1069:

It means 1 or 2 or 3. go learn the basic mechanics of how to read and write the English language. I think they still teach that stuff in first grade.

“I’m done talking to you”…..Good. That is the most awe inspiring, intelligent thing you have typed so far. Way to go, sunshine!

lmao, you finally got it! 1-3 = 1 or 2 or 3 indeed. good job. Took a while

lmao, you still don’t get it! 1-3 = 1 or 2 or 3 I’ll beak it down fer ya, cuz I really am a nice guy.
The statement 1 or 2 or 3, means in very plain, simple English, that it COULD BE 1.
Or it COULD BE 2.
Or it COULD BE 3.
Not seeing the plain, simple connection here?
What this all means is that you said 1
And you also said 2.
(but wait I’m not finished yet)
And you also said 3.

Conclusion: (drumroll please)
.
.
.
.
.
You still did in fact, SAY 1
holey-moley! could it be? is that the final answer? or should we let the audience decide?

lol, by the way, didn’t you say you were finished with talking to me? Or maybe you really didn’t say that either? I’m finally starting to have fun on this post!
lol

Lol. Because you’re fun.

How does 0 or 1 or 2 or 3 per WEEK equal:

Server “A” only GvGs against Server “B”. That is all they do for 7 days is GvG

That’s what I replied to, and you’re just talking around it. You are trying to tell me what 1-3 means, when we obviously already agree on that, stop repeating it. What you don’t seem to understand is that it’s contradicting what was said earlier (the post I initially quoted). Someone said gvgs are done constantly all day everyday, I said they don’t. And you are?

Thanks for the great entertainment

All kidding and complaining and trolling aside (this includes all parties involved), everyone of us are wanting the same thing: a separate, GvG arena, that doesn’t link to sPvP, or WvW. This is the ONLY thing that will end the massive arguments, the trolling, name calling, dev cursing, pickle throwing, and pillow fighting for all of us. And everyone of us can game in our happy little spaces w/o any distractions over the pvp format that we choose to play in. Will it happen? I honestly have no clue. But I can predict this: wvw population will change, transfers will happen, servers will go up and down in ranks. And my hope is that this may add some population leveling that all of us want on the wvw servers. Regardless of the population changes, we will all be happy as a community, and when the people are happy (there will still be whiners), Anet will make more money, and receive more accolades and free, word-of-mouth advertising. Anet wants to make money, that’s why they are in business. We want a GvG arena, and some server balancing in WvW: in summary, we all get what we want, and we will all be very happy, Anet included. I sincerely hope that a dev reads this particular post. I love this game, and all the aspects of it.

And I am truly happy to have been a part of breaking the 1000 mark. And whether or not anyone agrees with my statements, I just hope that everyone was at least entertained in some way by them!

Cheers!

Centrix.4065:

Riondron.1069:

Centrix.4065:

Riondron.1069:

It means 1 or 2 or 3. go learn the basic mechanics of how to read and write the English language. I think they still teach that stuff in first grade.

“I’m done talking to you”…..Good. That is the most awe inspiring, intelligent thing you have typed so far. Way to go, sunshine!

lmao, you finally got it! 1-3 = 1 or 2 or 3 indeed. good job. Took a while

lmao, you still don’t get it! 1-3 = 1 or 2 or 3 I’ll beak it down fer ya, cuz I really am a nice guy.
The statement 1 or 2 or 3, means in very plain, simple English, that it COULD BE 1.
Or it COULD BE 2.
Or it COULD BE 3.
Not seeing the plain, simple connection here?
What this all means is that you said 1
And you also said 2.
(but wait I’m not finished yet)
And you also said 3.

Conclusion: (drumroll please)
.
.
.
.
.
You still did in fact, SAY 1
holey-moley! could it be? is that the final answer? or should we let the audience decide?

lol, by the way, didn’t you say you were finished with talking to me? Or maybe you really didn’t say that either? I’m finally starting to have fun on this post!
lol

Lol. Because you’re fun.

How does 0 or 1 or 2 or 3 per WEEK equal:

Server “A” only GvGs against Server “B”. That is all they do for 7 days is GvG

That’s what I replied to, and you’re just talking around it. You are trying to tell me what 1-3 means, when we obviously already agree on that, stop repeating it. What you don’t seem to understand is that it’s contradicting what was said earlier (the post I initially quoted). Someone said gvgs are done constantly all day everyday, I said they don’t. And you are?

Thanks for the great entertainment

I just took his word for that he has seen it happen, because I have seen it happen 3 times myself, for a full 7 days by a guild that has blatantly stated that GvG is 90% of what they do, as many nights as they have enough members on, but not all day long. They were pretty much numb on WvW for the most part. And I do apologize if you were given the impression that either of us meant that it happens on all servers.

I am truly saddened however, that my trolling techniques were discovered, but I graciously commend you on figuring it out. I have had a blast doing this back and forth with you: maybe we can do it again sometime

I really hope that anyone reading my garbage does not get bent out of shape over it. The forums should be fun place for us to air our ideas and differences openly, and debate them with respect. If someone is truly that upset by anyone’s posts that they get the hives or a panic attack, then they should stay away from reading the forums, and take up a calm hobby, such as basket-weaving.

Good luck to you and enjoy your gaming!

Theftwind.8976:

Think about it this way.

Server “A” only GvGs against Server “B”. That is all they do for 7 days is GvG while server “C” plays the game as designed by capping all the objectives. At the end of those 7 days which server would have the highest score? Anyone care to do the math?

The answer to that question should end this argument.

The server which has the best coverage 24/7 regardless if people gvg or not. You didn’t learn anything over the last year?

Riondron.1069:

For your information, we “PPT idiots” are the ones that care about “winning” a game mode that by definition (and correct me if I’m wrong – you will anyway) is designed to have a ‘winner’ and basically 2 “losers” at the end of the week. Please forgive us “PPT addicts” for purchasing the game and playing it as it was DESIGNED for. Yes we care about ‘winning a game’, just like any professional sports team or Olympic athlete does. Ever heard of a team not caring about winning the Superbowl? And what is wrong with 2 groups getting together to battle? Absolutely nothing…except…there is also that ‘third’ group out there that takes advantage of the ‘missing’ players to start capping upgraded keeps like crazy. That third group is the smart one here, as they troll the forums to see when the matches are taking place, use it to their advantage, and make the gvg’ers look like fools to everyone else. And you still wonder why wvw’ers gripe at gvg’ers? If you really must gvg, then go play Battlefield 3 on a rented server…those types of games are designed for gvg or team vs team, and everyone will be happy Gw2 is designed for wvw, or server vs server vs server. Period.

GW2 is designed for players having fun in any way that is within the measurements and restrictions of CoC, ToS etc.. and gvg definitly is not off limits. Unlike the behaviour of the ANet representative who is griefing players.

mrstealth.6701:

It’s wrong when it interferes with other players’ ability to play and enjoy the game. That’s not always the case, but it does happen.

Everyone is allowed to play the game the way they want and in this case a wvw dev was intefering with the gvg community within wvw. So yes, it applies to both sides. The Anet representative gave a kitten and interfered which is by your standards mrstealth not acceptable.

Or does only the gvg community have to take care they don’t interfere with anyone else? Where does it say that wvw is only allowed to be played as a PPT game (why are mobs/NPCs in the lakes, which is basically pve content with no relation (no PPT change) to wvw standards)?

Sirendor.1394:

Oroibahazopi.9074:

ANet and the WvW team had a great product pre wow-transformation mode. Now it’s just a complete mess.

I’d like to debate this. At the launch, they had a great product, for it being a new game (yes they had bugs, yes there was lack of balance, but that was normal for a new game).

It had rather good quality for that phase of development, but they just didn’t add up to the game in the months after, so it still is more or less as buggy and unbalanced and consequently it is rather bad for a game that has been out for over a year.

I enjoyed myself then, I can’t bring myself to log in now. That’s pretty much all I meant. It’s not good when a complete revert on patches would actually improve the gameplay.

Also why do you people complain about 30min GvG matches when the living story gold grind events take players away for weeks. It’s nonsensical.

Glad to see I made the right decision when I quit this game

Chiolas.1326:

Glad to see I made the right decision when I quit this game

Chris Whiteside.6102:

Hi All,

I wanted to comment about the incident that happened recently in-game, surrounding some negative community interaction from a member of the ArenaNet staff.

Simply put a big mistake was made by one of our employees, for which he is both very upset and sorry. He allowed his personal feelings to affect his interactions in-game whilst representing ArenaNet, and this is absolutely unacceptable.

Like all players, we are human, and all have our opinions on the game. However these opinions should never disrupt other player’s enjoyment of the things they love. On top of this we have worked very hard to create a community that is respectful to one another, and for this behavior to have occurred while a developer is representing ArenaNet is doubly saddening.

We all cherish the opportunity to play with the community, and we absolutely rely on you all for in game feedback, and personally I hope that this incident does not hamper what has so far been an amazing relationship and opportunity for us all.

I would therefore like to sincerely apologize for this behavior on behalf of our staff member. We are taking steps to address the incident and for his part, he is very sorry for behaving in the manner in which he did.

Regarding Guild game play, please understand it is extremely important to us, and an area we are paying a great deal of attention to, so please do be patient with the developers who work tirelessly on making WvW the very best it can be, they have a great deal of respect for you all, and value your collaboration in pushing this pioneering mode forward. Also please note this member of staff is not on the WvW team.

Finally, World vs. World is a free-for-all battle. Our expectation of staff is that they should be playing, and enjoying the game like everyone else, and not being disruptive or disrespectful to others.

And in this spirit I hope we can move forward, and continue, what has up to this point, been a great community/developer relationship. One that I know our team massively values and loves.

Thank you all for your time and i hope you have a lovely weekend,

ChrisW

While I – and many others I presume – appreciate the apologize and your involvement in this issue, it’s just not good enough. It will take a lot more to regain the confidence of the WvW-crowd

This company better get on track soon with WvW and what is with the OP getting infracted. Everyone needed to know that this bullkitten actually did happen. Thank you OP for showing just how out of touch Anet and their employees are with WvW.

I don’t think all this abuse/hate towards the dev came from the fact that he put his tag on, hoping that showing hes a dev would deter people, from the video the devs serious lack of understanding about the game mode was funny, sure the people in the video that where swearing etc, throwing the abuse about prob should get punished,

I think the frustration from people is more around the fact that they are being ignored week in week out, GvG in GW1 was popular, yet it was completely left out in GW2, people have been asking for a year for it to be put into the game its clear there is a want for it, its like

Community

• hey can we have GvG put into the game please

Anet

• no have this instead
• WvW only abilities
• Bloodlust
• More lag
• Leagues
• Unbalanced match ups

The list goes on, basically like Devon said, we are the minority around here and we will not be listened too, I guess that apology from the dev in this topic was not aware of what Devon said previously, in a nutshell, you will either have to adapt to what the WvW devs want WvW to be, or leave and play another game, I personally, reinstalled GW1 last night, and I was shocked at how many people where online, also picked up FF14,

You have a choice, move on to another game, because apparently WvW is more popular than ever and we are all wrong, or you can hang around and hope that 1 day in the next 3 years, you might see what you want in WvW, but in the short term, its not going to change for the better.

Good Luck all.

mrstealth.6701:

Twinny.9304:

Well that’s pretty silly because what ever you are down in people the other team is down too, I certainly dont have a slap-fight(so you put it) against my own guildies. And tbh many of times we have left a GvG to be continued because the map needs help.

It would be an balancing factor if wvw was 2-way fight, but there are 3 teams involved.

We inform anyone on map before we start that we are having a GvG at windmill if you see swords down there its us, and if things get too heavy for you give us a shout and we will come to try and help.

And we are contributing while doing it we are keeping an enemy guild occupied, we get points for stomps and if there is a queue on that current map we will normally make a decision with opposing guild to see if we can move maps. We are a close net community and help and keep in touch with any of the pug commanders and their movements across all maps. And are always at call if needed unless we are defending or taking something ourselves, in which case see what prioritizes.

I think this would be a lot less of an issue if there were more gvg guilds like yours. It sounds like you really handle it the best way possible. The way all of them should.

I’ve seen a gvg busted up because no one knew they were there. I was in the middle of the pack, and my initial reaction was preparing for an ambush. The enemy guild involved had clashed with us several times that day. What I saw looked like a stacked and buffing group getting ready to charge us.

The reaction from some friendlies observing from the far side (I didn’t even see them till after we engaged) was nothing but rage, and did not help to defuse the situation at all. Our presence on the map was clear, and they made no effort to inform us of theirs, even though we were at the southern supply camp.

Why do people like you tell us we shouldn’t do it? It has improved my play style a lot, and my guildies play style, so in which case it benefits the server. I have already stated that our server knows they can call on us if we are needed. We will opt in for a map with no queue over a map with a queue. Although points are of no preference to me personally (i play for the fun/fights), the points however are of importance of our community and we will certainly postpone a GvG if our community actually needs us to postpone it and push that bit harder for the points. Whilst I totally agree there is no official GvG in GW2, there is however open field battles (which is part of WvW) where guilds have decided to take a fun open field battle and make it a fair fight which has been dubbed GvG. Since it is the closest thing to it, and the WvW environment is well suited for this, and the Devs have stated themselves that it is a free-for-all-battle, don’t tell me how to play as i don’t tell you how to play.

Just to make it clear we will help out our community 1st and GvG 2nd so we do have our priorities in the right order, so for the hours we put in to WvW and contributing to our server, if we want to GvG then we will kittening GvG. If our server needs us to put GvG on hold for the time being to help them out then so be it. But we certainly shouldn’t be told we can’t do it.

its about about practicing against fair competition, working together as a team to take down an another team of similar equality and numbers. And most of all having fun with friends which is is why you play the game. So to have someone tell me I cant do that, and I don’t work hard for my sever is a complete insult.

I’m certainly not telling you how to play, but there are some gvg’ers that do need to change their attitudes and priorities. Everything I said is directed at that group. From what you said, it seems that your guild does the exact opposite of the problematic behavior I mentioned, so it doesn’t really apply to you.

I would like to see more gvg guilds that put the community and wvw ahead of their own wants, but there seem to be many that don’t. It’s this attitude that their contributions make it ok for them to completely disregard wvw and other players when it’s time for a gvg match. They are the problem.

Old footage of one the top NA GvG’rs but it really shines light on why you hate GvG so much

mrstealth.6701:

Twinny.9304:

Well that’s pretty silly because what ever you are down in people the other team is down too, I certainly dont have a slap-fight(so you put it) against my own guildies. And tbh many of times we have left a GvG to be continued because the map needs help.

It would be an balancing factor if wvw was 2-way fight, but there are 3 teams involved.

We inform anyone on map before we start that we are having a GvG at windmill if you see swords down there its us, and if things get too heavy for you give us a shout and we will come to try and help.

And we are contributing while doing it we are keeping an enemy guild occupied, we get points for stomps and if there is a queue on that current map we will normally make a decision with opposing guild to see if we can move maps. We are a close net community and help and keep in touch with any of the pug commanders and their movements across all maps. And are always at call if needed unless we are defending or taking something ourselves, in which case see what prioritizes.

I think this would be a lot less of an issue if there were more gvg guilds like yours. It sounds like you really handle it the best way possible. The way all of them should.

I’ve seen a gvg busted up because no one knew they were there. I was in the middle of the pack, and my initial reaction was preparing for an ambush. The enemy guild involved had clashed with us several times that day. What I saw looked like a stacked and buffing group getting ready to charge us.

The reaction from some friendlies observing from the far side (I didn’t even see them till after we engaged) was nothing but rage, and did not help to defuse the situation at all. Our presence on the map was clear, and they made no effort to inform us of theirs, even though we were at the southern supply camp.

Why do people like you tell us we shouldn’t do it? It has improved my play style a lot, and my guildies play style, so in which case it benefits the server. I have already stated that our server knows they can call on us if we are needed. We will opt in for a map with no queue over a map with a queue. Although points are of no preference to me personally (i play for the fun/fights), the points however are of importance of our community and we will certainly postpone a GvG if our community actually needs us to postpone it and push that bit harder for the points. Whilst I totally agree there is no official GvG in GW2, there is however open field battles (which is part of WvW) where guilds have decided to take a fun open field battle and make it a fair fight which has been dubbed GvG. Since it is the closest thing to it, and the WvW environment is well suited for this, and the Devs have stated themselves that it is a free-for-all-battle, don’t tell me how to play as i don’t tell you how to play.

Just to make it clear we will help out our community 1st and GvG 2nd so we do have our priorities in the right order, so for the hours we put in to WvW and contributing to our server, if we want to GvG then we will kittening GvG. If our server needs us to put GvG on hold for the time being to help them out then so be it. But we certainly shouldn’t be told we can’t do it.

its about about practicing against fair competition, working together as a team to take down an another team of similar equality and numbers. And most of all having fun with friends which is is why you play the game. So to have someone tell me I cant do that, and I don’t work hard for my sever is a complete insult.

I’m certainly not telling you how to play, but there are some gvg’ers that do need to change their attitudes and priorities. Everything I said is directed at that group. From what you said, it seems that your guild does the exact opposite of the problematic behavior I mentioned, so it doesn’t really apply to you.

I would like to see more gvg guilds that put the community and wvw ahead of their own wants, but there seem to be many that don’t. It’s this attitude that their contributions make it ok for them to completely disregard wvw and other players when it’s time for a gvg match. They are the problem.

Old footage but it really shines light on why you hate GvG so much

Chiolas.1326:

Glad to see I made the right decision when I quit this game

Oh what you quit the game? I guess your signature wasn’t enough. At least you frequent the forums so we all know that you left the game!

But serious question what’s the problem with sPvP arenas?

Sirendor.1394:

That place is the unofficial GvG arena, everyone knows that…. nobody really has any business there except for GvG, so people standing there are usually deliberately trying to sabotage the GvG. The simplest solution is just to kill them, sadly that is something the dev made impossible cause he decided to show force tagging up.

His Anet tag doesn’t prevent anyone from killing him. They didn’t kill him because they stopped chasing when he moved closer to the other team. The team was told on voice comms that they were moving to kill the person in the middle, so they could have pursued him further without causing any problems. If he had used any commands/abilities from his dev client, that would only be more reason to punish him more severely for abuse of that power.

And while it’s clear that this Anet employ was well aware of what he was doing, I don’t think that location’s gvg use is something that everyone is aware of. I had heard mention of gvg in-game months ago, but I had no idea it was still happening till I starting reading the wvw section of the forum. Someone that doesn’t read this section, or the forums at all(which is the majority of the playerbase, and even Anet will tell you this), is likely to have no idea that gvg even exists, let alone know where it happens.

In fact, after an incident I mentioned on an earlier page where a wvw zerg unintentionally clashed with a gvg in preparation/progress, some people involved were asking what was going on there. At that time I wasn’t even aware that any gvg guilds existed on my server, or that gvg matches were happening in the tier we were in at the time. There were a few guilds I thought might be into gvg, but I had never heard of it actually happening. I didn’t even think of the players we engaged being one side of a gvg battle till I saw friendly players against the hill behind them that were not in combat.

kokiman.2364:

Chiolas.1326:

Glad to see I made the right decision when I quit this game

Oh what you quit the game? I guess your signature wasn’t enough. At least you frequent the forums so we all know that you left the game!

But serious question what’s the problem with sPvP arenas?

Just go back to zerging your dragon, you clearly don’t understand what attracts people to open world PvP.

Im still heavily impressed how really so many people call it GvG….. it seems most of you didn’t play real GvG’s in the original GW… what the people are doing here is nothing but Zerg vs Zerg….

Jinks.2057:

Old footage but it really shines light on why you hate GvG so much

Not seeing what this has to do with gvg at all. Nor do I recall ever saying that I “hate gvg” at any point.

I’m guessing that is a guild that does gvg, but that’s certainly not a gvg happening in the video. It’s an impressive keep defense, though. They did a fine job of it, but it nothing to do with gvg.

I’ve seen similar holdouts from guilds that aren’t gvg guilds, and been part of some myself. I’m sure that gvg is a nice practice for that type of fight, but it’s not a requirement to be good at it.

As much as some gvg’ers would like to think it, you’re not the only good players in the game.

Good to see nothing has changed overnight. :P

2 of you no longer play GW2 but you still frequent the forums? Must be nothing else to play I suppose. Also why does the apology even matter to you? I certainly wouldn’t care or even continue to goto forums of a game I don’t even play. -shrugs- seems odd to me.

I wouldn’t know GVG was happening when I stumbled across it. I don’t follow it, and I don’t participate in it. If I seen it happening it’s very likely I’d try to get some tags in to get credit for kills.

This works both ways. I could kill some of them, I am sure they could run me down and kill me.

Lol 21 pages; this isn’t being blow out of proportion at all

Why not have the original offender apologize instead of someone else apologizing in his place?So irresponsible, oh well i guess that is Anet for you.

Shakki.3219:

Im still heavily impressed how really so many people call it GvG….. it seems most of you didn’t play real GvG’s in the original GW… what the people are doing here is nothing but Zerg vs Zerg….

I’m heavily impressed that some people, like yourself, are unable to see that these community-driven events happens between guilds, hence why people call it guild versus guild.

I prefer train v train. To each his own I suppose.

“Why not have the original offender apologize instead of someone else apologizing in his place?So irresponsible, oh well i guess that is Anet for you.”

Has nothing to do with “well I guess that is Anet for you”. There is no MMO company, or much any company that would let the employee on here to apologize after the incident. And even if they did it would be coached, and the responses from players would be the same.

I also don’t see any from the players involved in this? Their behavior in some cases was even worse than the employee’s. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

KOPPER.1458:

“Why not have the original offender apologize instead of someone else apologizing in his place?So irresponsible, oh well i guess that is Anet for you.”

Has nothing to do with “well I guess that is Anet for you”. There is no MMO company, or much any company that would let the employee on here to apologize after the incident. And even if they did it would be coached, and the responses from players would be the same.

I also don’t see any from the players involved in this? Their behavior in some cases was even worse than the employee’s. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

The players did nothing wrong, they just got angry because some people disturb their game.Its similar to provoking a lion and get eaten up as usual.It’s the response you are expecting to get.

Chopps.5047:

I prefer train v train. To each his own I suppose.

Personally I’m all for good old Alliance Battles (AB in GW1)

It was very sad what happened. Such unprofesional behaving from anet realy make me sad, especialy when it happened after unfamous bloodlust patch. It is realy sad anet is trying to do anything to spoil gvg in gw2, even with such childish way. How long it will take anet to fully understand spvp is fail and when they understand ppl need some great gvg.

For those players who are mad about other guilds playing gvg and taking 20 ppl limit for 30 minut i dont understand you guys. Most guilds who are into gvg are doing even more job for whole server, because they are better than other pve scrubs guilds that accidentaly click on www. They do gvg to play fair matches which can be difficult in normal www play.

When one of the organised guilds who are doing gvg leaves a server it is often a big slap for remaining players on that server.

The borderlands are kind of a waste. It would be cool of they could be turned into GvG arenas.

It is not about GvG, its about the constant GvG posts in the forums while a dev already posted they are thinking about it.

But on every livestream or every WvW update I see tons of people " GvG? How about GvG? "

That makes the whole WvW community sick, we know you guys want GvG and if there was an arena for it I would probally try it out too. But for now there is no room in WvW for it, well maybe when you have a +600 tick and already won the week I can understand you guys just want to have fun.

But on the other hand the dev really did nothing bad, he was not even from the WvW team so he maybe didn’t even know anything about GvG and that you guys wanted to start the fight. Maybe he wanted to join you guys, but you guys were like.. go away plz, and he misunderstood and felt left out.. so he decided to pop up the tag and show the players that they should show a bit respect, not to the tag but to every player who wants to join but doesn’t understand the GvG concept.

Just ask once a month for an update if they are going for GvG or not, not every day new posts or trolling every live stream.

That’s all

“But on the other hand the dev really did nothing bad”, i disagree.You should watch the video again.

Magnetron.5823:

That makes the whole WvW community sick, we know you guys want GvG and if there was an arena for it I would probally try it out too. But for now there is no room in WvW for it, well maybe when you have a +600 tick and already won the week I can understand you guys just want to have fun.

Funny guy.. you know where the “wvw community” would be without the dedicated guild out there that do gvg? At least half the servers would be without organisation, without commanders with a solid guild core, without serverwide voice comms, everyone would be a headless chicken. Just look at how your server plays when there is not commander tag up or a commander tag but noone on server wide comms, you get annihilated as soon as there’s more then 20 organised enemies. Is that what you want by calling out gvg guilds?

There’s no room in wvw for gvg, says who? Read the ToS, CoC etc.. the only one who did something wrong was the Anet official by harassing other players. Gvg is not against any rule from Anet, so yes, the only one offended by gvg or doing wrong (ban-worthy behaviour) is you (and everyone else moaning about it or harassing).

Zephyrus.9680:

lordkrall.7241:

Ragnar.4257:

And GvG is “just happening” too.

The kills are not the intent or purpose, the are a by-product of the fights. Just as in WvW, the kills are not the intent or purpose, they are a by-product of the fights.

Good try though.

No it isn’t.
It is planned fights.

If the kills are not the intent or purpose, why kill?
Why not just leave downed enemies?

Because of this combat mechanic: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rally

So you give nothing to the scoreboard, so you are useless in wvw. Please make room to friend who want play and make 8v8 in spvp like gvg is in gw1.
You are welcome

Edit: That dev need a promotion.

AggieTechGuy.4901:

Well kitten, I wasn’t with [CORE] that night to stake this guy :\

But really, this is one of the saddest / funniest things I’ve seen for the GvG community, because either:

1) This ANet guy had no idea what GvG was, and was thinking that we were just taking turns killing each other.

2) This ANet guy knows what GvG is, and dislikes it enough to consider a GvG a violation of “his” game mode.

Either way, this guy throwing his eKitten around seems to be a loose interpretation of:

“While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people’s game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.”

-GW2 Code of Conduct

It’s not loose, it’s accurate.

And it’s not 1 or 2. It’s 3.

3) Rules are rules and they must be followed. Period.

GvG within WvW is something players made up because of the lack of proper GvG support. And it’s not part of WvW’s set of rules, and therefore players who do it have no right to force other players into it.

It’s sad when selfish people go all “touchy feely” when they are told the rules and what they should be doing, as if they had the right to impose their made-up rulesets on other players.

You might have paid for the game, but so did others.

GvG is not officially part of WvW.

There SHOULD be GvG, but there isn’t. Just like there should have been 1vs1 but there wasn’t until they added custom arenas.

So in the same way no one had the right to hijack an arena map for the 1vs1 and anyone who wanted to play as intended had the right to demand the rest of the players to do so, anyone who doesn’t want to do GvG in a WvW map has the right to demand the rest of the players to stop doing that and focus on WvW gameplay.

Not having proper GvG and really wanting it is not an excuse to disrupt other player’s gameplay. So it isn’t thinking you are not disrupting other player’s gameplay when you are using up WvW slots while not doing any WvW at all.
In fact, there should be an Honor effect that starts with 25 stacks and decreases over time (1 stack every minute or so); increases when doing events, and kicks you from WvW if you don’t do anything that has the potential of giving your world score for too long, so other players can get in and participate.

Yeah, you want to have fun and you think that’s not harming anyone, but it is. WvW slots are very limited. In my world you may have to wait HOURS to join.

It’s usually 30min-2hours, but once I had to wait FOUR HOURS queued to get into an enemy borderlands. I didn’t change the queue. The map was full without enough people leaving for 4 hours!

Fun following the rules must always have priority over fun not following them. Always. Even in sandbox games.

They way that ANet employee acted might not have been anywhere near professional. But something tells me he had to put up with people doing that and spoiling other’s fun for too long. Otherwise it’ll be inexcusable.

I think these battles are childish and take some place on WvW maps … Guys, be patient as PvE players (Elite Areas, new exploration… ) or as sPVP players who also have high expectations.

Moroever, I think that the dev’s behavior (during the fight) is correct.
Be more empathic : you’ve spended years on this game and players fight themselves on the more technical game mode and against the rules since many months.

You try to explain to these players that what they’re doing is bad and they just answer “lol” or “make us GvG mode and come back later”… Is this really the kind of respect you have for devs ?

The reaction Anet and Chris Whiteside disappoints me because it proves that the player is always right. Even not a warning or a will to tell that players must be wait a little bit more and fight in the rules of WvW. For me, players are not 100% innoncent.
So now, excuse me, but I’ll go create a 20-pages topic about a new area in Tyria. It will work.

Chopps.5047:

I prefer train v train. To each his own I suppose.

Oh you know people need drama, to get their sensations up a bit.

All these people crying ‘omg this proofs it’ all really have a lot to learn about life. Everybody makes mistakes, you do, this developper did. So what? What makes his mistakes bigger then yours?

What makes the dev interruptions worse, then the incredible bad name calling by gvg group?

Empyre.2531:

Funny guy.. you know where the “wvw community” would be without the dedicated guild out there that do gvg?

Those players would most likely still be doing wvw. The fact that many of these gvg’ers also participate in wvw isn’t really a factor.

There’s no room in wvw for gvg, says who? Read the ToS, CoC etc.. the only one who did something wrong was the Anet official by harassing other players. Gvg is not against any rule from Anet, so yes, the only one offended by gvg or doing wrong (ban-worthy behaviour) is you (and everyone else moaning about it or harassing).

Technically, you could apply the ‘match manipulation’ rule to gvg. The text of it says “pvp” not “spvp”, and wvw should qualify as a form of pvp even though it doesn’t follow the spvp format. It’s a bit of a stretch to do so, but if Anet chose to enforce it as such, the rule is there and could very well apply.

As far as wrong-doing in the recent incident, there is just as much, if not more, wrong with the gvg participants’ actions. Almost immediately resorting to insults, name calling, and inappropriate language doesn’t earn them much sympathy. Would they have acted any differently if the person standing in the middle was legitimately unaware of what was going on? They were very quick to assume that he was there to troll them, so I think they would have done the same if it was just an unknowing bystander.

Dev’s behaviour childish beyond imagination.The battles are not childish as the players are exercising what i believe playing how they want to play.

I find it a bit hypocritical that certain people are calling out "GvG’ers" for being elitists and childish, yet they go ahead themselves and try to dictate how other’s are mean’t to be playing the game, and how they are supposed to be having fun.

Perfect example: "If you don’t contribute directly towards the ppt your worthless and should be doing spvp, instead of taking up valuable spaces!"

As far as I’m aware of this is actually a game and not a bloody job, so how about you lot try to realize that there’s different kind of people out there, that enjoys different things. Just because you don’t find enjoyment in it doesn’t make it forbidden or wrong (as long it’s not against any rules).

GvG is in the works. Patience.

Joey.2769:

kokiman.2364:

Chiolas.1326:

Glad to see I made the right decision when I quit this game

Oh what you quit the game? I guess your signature wasn’t enough. At least you frequent the forums so we all know that you left the game!

But serious question what’s the problem with sPvP arenas?

Just go back to zerging your dragon, you clearly don’t understand what attracts people to open world PvP.

Open world PvP? A set number of players that meet at a predefined location attack at a predefined time each other without any interference. How is that open world pvp?

And please don’t try to create some kind of elitism around your coordinated groupfights.

xephire.8324:

Dev’s behaviour childish beyond imagination.The battles are not childish as the players are exercising what i believe playing how they want to play.

One of the first things that came out of the players mouth was “kitten” not sure how this is not a childish behavior.

Tellerion.8102:

I find it a bit hypocritical that certain people are calling out “GvG’ers” for being elitists and childish, yet they go ahead themselves and try to dictate how other’s are mean’t to be playing the game, and how they are supposed to be having fun.

Perfect example: “If you don’t contribute directly towards the ppt your worthless and should be doing spvp, instead of taking up valuable spaces!”

As far as I’m aware of this is actually a game and not a bloody job, so how about you lot try to realize that there’s different kind of people out there, that enjoys different things. Just because you don’t find enjoyment in it doesn’t make it forbidden or wrong (as long it’s not against any rules).

It’s not a single player game. IF you are taking up spaces, you are putting your fun over others. That score helps the whole world.
People waiting in queue to actually play WvW could be getting score that would give everyone bonuses instead.

End everyone would enjoy those little extras.

When you put your fun over other’s that’s being selfish.

kokiman.2364:

Joey.2769:

kokiman.2364:

Chiolas.1326:

Glad to see I made the right decision when I quit this game

Oh what you quit the game? I guess your signature wasn’t enough. At least you frequent the forums so we all know that you left the game!

But serious question what’s the problem with sPvP arenas?

Just go back to zerging your dragon, you clearly don’t understand what attracts people to open world PvP.

Open world PvP? A set number of players that meet at a predefined location attack at a predefined time each other without any interference. How is that open world pvp?

And please don’t try to create some kind of elitism around your coordinated groupfights.

xephire.8324:

Dev’s behaviour childish beyond imagination.The battles are not childish as the players are exercising what i believe playing how they want to play.

One of the first things that came out of the players mouth was “kitten” not sure how this is not a childish behavior.

Its a kitten poor fight club calling itself GvG it dosent even measure up to guild wars 1 GvG or alliance battle at best what their doing is a mock version of random or team arenas

Well they do what they want to do thats all having fun.

Marquie Thomas.1873:

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Because it is not the GW1 style of GvG it is the DoAC style of GvG, if I understood it right, basically just a Deathmatch.

MithranArkanere.8957:

Tellerion.8102:

I find it a bit hypocritical that certain people are calling out “GvG’ers” for being elitists and childish, yet they go ahead themselves and try to dictate how other’s are mean’t to be playing the game, and how they are supposed to be having fun.

Perfect example: “If you don’t contribute directly towards the ppt your worthless and should be doing spvp, instead of taking up valuable spaces!”

As far as I’m aware of this is actually a game and not a bloody job, so how about you lot try to realize that there’s different kind of people out there, that enjoys different things. Just because you don’t find enjoyment in it doesn’t make it forbidden or wrong (as long it’s not against any rules).

It’s not a single player game. IF you are taking up spaces, you are putting your fun over others. That score helps the whole world.
People waiting in queue to actually play WvW could be getting score that would give everyone bonuses instead.

End everyone would enjoy those little extras.

When you put your fun over other’s that’s being selfish.

This is exactly the kind of elitism I was talking about. You basically expect others to threat WvW as a job, instead of them enjoying themselves within the rules of the game. Just because your vision of WvW is to play by the ppt score doesn’t necessarily mean I have to follow that vision, as I find much more enjoyment in other aspects of this game-mode.

Now, if I enjoy open-field fights, who are you to tell me that I’m not worthy of taking up a space in WvW to do exactly that? I’ve paid for the game just as much as the next person.

Tellerion.8102:

I find it a bit hypocritical that certain people are calling out “GvG’ers” for being elitists and childish, yet they go ahead themselves and try to dictate how other’s are mean’t to be playing the game, and how they are supposed to be having fun.

Perfect example: “If you don’t contribute directly towards the ppt your worthless and should be doing spvp, instead of taking up valuable spaces!”

As far as I’m aware of this is actually a game and not a bloody job, so how about you lot try to realize that there’s different kind of people out there, that enjoys different things. Just because you don’t find enjoyment in it doesn’t make it forbidden or wrong (as long it’s not against any rules).

The gametype itself dictates how you’re supposed to play. If someone enters a wvw map with the clear intent of actively avoiding participation in wvw, there isn’t any real defense of them being in the right.

But there also isn’t any harm done if they are careful and courteous to the gameplay they can potentially be infringing upon. Making sure you aren’t creating queue issues, moving if you are causing problems, or being willing to put your match on hold to participate in wvw if you are needed.

The problem is that many gvg’ers have the attitude and belief that they are more important, and that they have a right to infringe on wvw. That’s the main problem, not gvg itself. gvg should be able to co-exist with wvw, but a lot of people need to get over their attitude and entitlement issues for that to happen.

Tellerion.8102:

MithranArkanere.8957:

Tellerion.8102:

I find it a bit hypocritical that certain people are calling out “GvG’ers” for being elitists and childish, yet they go ahead themselves and try to dictate how other’s are mean’t to be playing the game, and how they are supposed to be having fun.

Perfect example: “If you don’t contribute directly towards the ppt your worthless and should be doing spvp, instead of taking up valuable spaces!”

As far as I’m aware of this is actually a game and not a bloody job, so how about you lot try to realize that there’s different kind of people out there, that enjoys different things. Just because you don’t find enjoyment in it doesn’t make it forbidden or wrong (as long it’s not against any rules).

It’s not a single player game. IF you are taking up spaces, you are putting your fun over others. That score helps the whole world.
People waiting in queue to actually play WvW could be getting score that would give everyone bonuses instead.

End everyone would enjoy those little extras.

When you put your fun over other’s that’s being selfish.

This is exactly the kind of elitism I was talking about. You basically expect others to threat WvW as a job, instead of them enjoying themselves within the rules of the game. Just because your vision of WvW is to play by the ppt score doesn’t necessarily mean I have to follow that vision, as I find much more enjoyment in other aspects of this game-mode.

Now, if I enjoy open-field fights, who are you to tell me that I’m not worthy of taking up a space in WvW to do exactly that? I’ve paid for the game just as much as the next person.

Thumbs up. When the dev says"you violated my game mode “.The players can say he”violated player’s right".

kokiman.2364:

Marquie Thomas.1873:

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Because it is not the GW1 style of GvG it is the DoAC style of GvG, if I understood it right, basically just a Deathmatch.

It is Still just a team arena match with a few more people yes a deathmatch and that is basicaly what team and randoms arenas was all about in GW1

kokiman.2364:

Chiolas.1326:

Glad to see I made the right decision when I quit this game

Oh what you quit the game? I guess your signature wasn’t enough. At least you frequent the forums so we all know that you left the game!

But serious question what’s the problem with sPvP arenas?

KOPPER.1458:

2 of you no longer play GW2 but you still frequent the forums? Must be nothing else to play I suppose. Also why does the apology even matter to you? I certainly wouldn’t care or even continue to goto forums of a game I don’t even play. -shrugs- seems odd to me.

Thanks I’ll put those up in the “Opinions I don’t care about” pile

Tellerion.8102:

This is exactly the kind of elitism I was talking about. You basically expect others to threat WvW as a job, instead of them enjoying themselves within the rules of the game. Just because your vision of WvW is to play by the ppt score doesn’t necessarily mean I have to follow that vision, as I find much more enjoyment in other aspects of this game-mode.

Now, if I enjoy open-field fights, who are you to tell me that I’m not worthy of taking up a space in WvW to do exactly that? I’ve paid for the game just as much as the next person.

I don’t see how that qualifies as “elitism” at all. Elitism would be expecting you to play perfectly and conquer the whole map. The only expectation here is for you to actually participate in the game. gvg is actively avoiding that.

An open field fight is participating. Killing an enemy zerg is preventing them from capturing something, or at least delaying that.

Killing an opposing team in a gvg…well, they really weren’t heading toward any objectives, you’re not stopping them from doing anything. At best, you are both distracting each other, and neither is doing anything useful for wvw. If both teams were on the field participating, at least one of you would likely do something productive for your server’s score.