Guild Wars 2

C Cspace Cowboy.5903:

If no one is verbally abusing you, you’re not being bullied, and you’re not being discriminated against.

People aren’t bullying you because you can’t join comms. They are denying you. Learn the difference.

Do you cry to daddy when you don’t get the job you want?

OH so the definition for being bullied is verbal abuse? I’m sorry but that’s just not true. Denying someone from entering a group due to a disability is discriminatory and could be considered bullying by the one who is being discriminated against.

For Instance if i were to say, “no you can’t enter my group because I don’t like (insert ethnicity here) in real life.” Even if I was really polite about it, and didn’t swear or verbally abuse someone, ITS STILL discriminatory and against TOS.

Eater of Peeps.9062:

This isn’t about being deaf or TS. I have several reasons for being unable to join via TS; however, this behavior has cropped up in other situations where TS was not mandatory but exclusionary practices were still engaged in by cmdrs w/ the power/money/power to exclude or boot people for no reason except they were being mean/bullying players for any number of egregious reasons, all of which I could have reported but chose not to – I chose instead to voice my concerns via TC and here as I find that more effective for people to self-police if they have it in their power to be nice. (And yes, I do have screenshots and audio records, but so what?).

OK so then there really is more to this than only being excluded from a squad due to a TS requirement which again sounds like social issue.

Please use the report function if there is more going on. You have no standing with regards to ArenaNet actions if you have not done your due diligence. Just because WvW population is low is not an excuse.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

C Cspace Cowboy.5903:

If no one is verbally abusing you, you’re not being bullied, and you’re not being discriminated against.

People aren’t bullying you because you can’t join comms. They are denying you. Learn the difference.

Do you cry to daddy when you don’t get the job you want?

OH so the definition for being bullied is verbal abuse? I’m sorry but that’s just not true. Denying someone from entering a group due to a disability is discriminatory and could be considered bullying by the one who is being discriminated against.

For Instance if i were to say, “no you can’t enter my group because I don’t like (insert ethnicity here) in real life.” Even if I was really polite about it, and didn’t swear or verbally abuse someone, ITS STILL discriminatory and against TOS.

So if I kicked someone from the squad because he had a disability, and not said anything in chat, would that be discriminatory in your eyes?

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Natto.5819:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

To exclude disabled people is a direct violation of many rules. To exclude people because you don’t like them is bullying, plain and simple and to no net effect – you wont like them whether they are in squad or not, and they are on the map playing whether you like it or not. To exclude them from the benefits of the squad and hurt the squad and server and players (including players who object to this behavior who drop out of squad voluntarily) is hurting the game.

Why do people support this behavior? No one is asking you to play a certain way. You can play however you like. You can run a full or closed guild squad if you like and you can make exclusionary actions then. But this is not that scenario.

Look. There is no rule that says we can’t kick you out of squad because of a disability. We can exclude anyone we want, for any reason. As long as we don’t tease you in game for whatever ailment you have, I don’t see any problems.

We don’t support bullying people, but we support the right to add and remove people as we see fit. Commanders who lead WvW know what’s best for their groups, so excluding someone can be beneficial to the server.

TOS:

“While playing Guild Wars 2, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. This includes posting insulting, offensive, or abusive comments about players, repeatedly sending unwanted messages, reporting players maliciously, attacking a player based on race, sexual orientation, religion, heritage, etc. Hate speech is not tolerated.”

“You may not violate any local, state, national, or international laws or regulations.”

I actually consider this thread in violation of what you cited.

Requesting that Anet act as parent and force inclusion is harassment. It’s also absurd. You’re an adult.

Learn to get along with others.

Chaba.5410:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Instead of suggesting that she goes to another server, why not suggest that fellow wvwers be more empathetic and understanding? Or consider having anet make some change to the mechanics which doesn’t allow others to exclude in this manner?

I already said why. Because this is so clearly a social issue, not a technological one. Empathy and understanding do not arise from forcing others to open their squads who don’t want to for whatever reason. My offer to help the OP raise funds for a server transfer arises from empathy and understanding. Sorry you are unable to comprehend what you are trying to preach.

This is akin to saying if you don’t like people in your country treating you poorly, you should just move to another one, and “trust us” its much better over there. That seems more like troll to me.

I’m just really surprised so many people come out of the woodwork to commend this type of behavior, which overall is baffling and frankly gross, and yet at the same time, completely proves, showcases and justifies the OP point.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Chaba.5410:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Instead of suggesting that she goes to another server, why not suggest that fellow wvwers be more empathetic and understanding? Or consider having anet make some change to the mechanics which doesn’t allow others to exclude in this manner?

I already said why. Because this is so clearly a social issue, not a technological one. Empathy and understanding do not arise from forcing others to open their squads who don’t want to for whatever reason. My offer to help the OP raise funds for a server transfer arises from empathy and understanding. Sorry you are unable to comprehend what you are trying to preach.

This is akin to saying if you don’t like people in your country treating you poorly, you should just move to another one, and “trust us” its much better over there. That seems more like troll to me.

I’m just really surprised so many people come out of the woodwork to commend this type of behavior, on an issue of discrimination towards handicapped people, which overall is baffling and frankly gross, and yet at the same time, completely proves, showcases and justifies the OP point.

I can’t use TS.

My server commanders, the ones I choose to support (read: choice) work within my limitations. I’ve proven, through hard work, that I can overcome this obstacle. And they listen to me. Even by typing only.

Nobody here is bashing deaf people.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

This is akin to saying if you don’t like people in your country treating you poorly, you should just move to another one, and “trust us” its much better over there. That seems more like troll to me.

I’m just really surprised so many people come out of the woodwork to commend this type of behavior, on an issue of discrimination towards handicapped people, which overall is baffling and frankly gross, and yet at the same time, completely proves, showcases and justifies the OP point.

And yet it wouldn’t make sense for Anet to write a rule that forces players to do something they don’t want to. Commanders run a squad. If you want in, you have to be accepted by the Commander. It doesn’t matter what a Commander’s personal feelings are towards someone with a disability. If he doesn’t want you in, Anet shouldn’t force you to keep the player in.

I had a drug problem months ago before I sobered up. You could count that as a disability. If a Commander kicked me out because I could barely understand what I was typing, that’s his choice.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Chaba.5410:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Instead of suggesting that she goes to another server, why not suggest that fellow wvwers be more empathetic and understanding? Or consider having anet make some change to the mechanics which doesn’t allow others to exclude in this manner?

I already said why. Because this is so clearly a social issue, not a technological one. Empathy and understanding do not arise from forcing others to open their squads who don’t want to for whatever reason. My offer to help the OP raise funds for a server transfer arises from empathy and understanding. Sorry you are unable to comprehend what you are trying to preach.

This is akin to saying if you don’t like people in your country treating you poorly, you should just move to another one, and “trust us” its much better over there. That seems more like troll to me.

I’m just really surprised so many people come out of the woodwork to commend this type of behavior, on an issue of discrimination towards handicapped people, which overall is baffling and frankly gross, and yet at the same time, completely proves, showcases and justifies the OP point.

Well, aside from the fact that in real life refugees do exist, the poster admitted themselves that it happens even in other situations not related to being deaf or over TS. Stop saying this is an issue regarding discrimination of a disability. I don’t see you offering a practical solution to help the poster transfer servers to a better social environment and the poster should be using the report function.

Chaba.5410:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

This practice is prevalent on all servers/maps.

No it isn’t. You can’t possibly know without having an account on all servers.

It is. I can know.

I have friends all over the place in this game after 14 yrs on gw, and after my first posting on a topic similar to this one (complaining about mandatory TS) I got bombarded with pm/ in chat/ in game where people gave me their experiences and sent me screen shots and told me of specific conversations on TS relating to me and other friends, etc., or relating to their own negative exclusions for bullying reasons.

Also, I do not agree that transferring servers is a fix. It is not. That is avoidant. I could block in game too but that is avoidant as well. I don’t need safe spaces. I can be a buttercup all day long. That is not the point. Personal attacks and avoidance, leaving, deflection help nothing and don’t address the issue. What people think of me is not important and I will be on the map whether I am in squad or not, and people can hate me on the map when I play in squad or out. What I think personally of these commanders is also not the issue, nor have I stated my opinions in this regard in this post.

I don’t agree with the love it or leave it philosophy – I prefer love it or change it. So I will do my best.

Also, these commanders are not just playing the game same as me. They are insisting we all play the game their own way only or get off/shut up/get in TS/uninstall etc. Just because you buy a tag does not mean you should engage in discriminatory behavior that hurts players/game mode/game/server. Cmdrs have power in the game beyond the power players w/o tags have. They should not be allowed to use that power to preclude other players from playing advertised content/features.

When I am excluded from the only squad on the server on a map (or sometimes on all maps) and it is not a full squad or solo guild run and it is prime time and the commander (and bless their hearts, I do respect them and admire them) is running for 2-6 hours excluding people from advertised features of the game for that long it is prejudicial and mean and I am certain it is not an effect Anet intended as in their terms of service they state they do not want exclusionary types of behaviors as someone showed above.

I can choose who to play with, but when I buy a tag and run a squad that is not a guild run and it is not full, I should not be allowed to use that tag to bully and oust people from squad or pressure people to leave the server or the game mode or game.

I do not dispute their right to do it. I dispute their engaging in prejudicial behavior and ask Anet to at least look into precluding it since they continue to choose not to curtail it when they have no good reason for the behavior except to be bullying/prejudicial/discriminatory as there is no net positive effect for squad/anyone from making a mandatory requirement when squad is not full or excluding someone from a half-full squad when they want to join.

All of the posts in support of this practice simply seem to be supporting the right to be mean and elitist/exclusionary – to what net good effect? Really? Supporting the right to be mean?

What exactly would you like to see changed about squad policy? By the sounds of it, you’d like to see all squads open invite/join and no one has the power to kick anyone else.

Assuming that is the hope of this thread and it were implemented, what would happen with the case of say trolls, bigots, general nussiances, afkers, spies and the host of other unsavory players that grace the bls? No one would have the power to kick them or stop them from joining in the first place, the commander could re-create a new squad but be forced into the same situation each time.

Just wondering, what system you think could possibly be implemented that prevents bullying on the one hand, allows a commander control of his/her squad and doesn’t enforce bullying on the other hand?

Chaba.5410:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Chaba.5410:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Instead of suggesting that she goes to another server, why not suggest that fellow wvwers be more empathetic and understanding? Or consider having anet make some change to the mechanics which doesn’t allow others to exclude in this manner?

I already said why. Because this is so clearly a social issue, not a technological one. Empathy and understanding do not arise from forcing others to open their squads who don’t want to for whatever reason. My offer to help the OP raise funds for a server transfer arises from empathy and understanding. Sorry you are unable to comprehend what you are trying to preach.

This is akin to saying if you don’t like people in your country treating you poorly, you should just move to another one, and “trust us” its much better over there. That seems more like troll to me.

I’m just really surprised so many people come out of the woodwork to commend this type of behavior, on an issue of discrimination towards handicapped people, which overall is baffling and frankly gross, and yet at the same time, completely proves, showcases and justifies the OP point.

Well, aside from the fact that in real life refugees do exist, the poster admitted themselves that it happens even in other situations not related to being deaf or over TS. Stop saying this is an issue regarding discrimination of a disability. I don’t see you offering a practical solution to help the poster transfer servers to a better social environment.

The issue is bullying in general and being excluded for no good reason. Instead of showing empathy and support, I’m seeing people commending the exclusion of others. Other servers are no better than any other in terms of exclusion, and its also impossible to figure out or measure which ones are less exclusionary.

Chaba.5410:

“I don’t see you offering a practical solution to help the poster transfer servers to a better social environment.”

In no way to do I think OP should have to change servers due to the discriminatory behavior of others. Nor do i think that doing so would help the situation at all. I did however, post a solution.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

I don’t think they should allow private “invite only” squads in wvw. Granted that does penalize guilds who want to do GvG activities, but I think they should already have their own game mode at this point since its called “Guild Wars.” Either way, I don’t think wvw should allow private tags, or the ability to kick people who want to join it.

i was in wvw today , someone / guild telling a player he or she is stupid , she should not play wvw , go back to pve ,so I step in , I told them , u did’t pay for her game , u got no right to tell her what she can or cant do , I have seen too much cyber bullying , ended up suicide , , so he got the guild to harass me by trying to stand up for someone he is picking on telling her she should deleted this game. you cant play bah bah bah , that is just mean and cyber bullying , I did not know that happen in gw2 ,
after that they follow me around , harass me , call me all kina names
for trying to stand up for someone they harass , they were discriminating , using racial slur , which I cant use here , and they told me its freedom of speech , and if u don’t like what they said , use the filler

Keviin Snow.5760:

i was in wvw today , someone / guild telling a player he or she is stupid , she should not play wvw , go back to pve ,so I step in , I told them , u did’t pay for her game , u got no right to tell her what she can or cant do , I have seen too much cyber bullying , ended up suicide , , so he got the guild to harass me by trying to stand up for someone he is picking on telling her she should deleted this game. you cant play bah bah bah , that is just mean and cyber bullying , I did not know that happen in gw2 ,
after that they follow me around , harass me , call me all kina names
for trying to stand up for someone they harass , they were discriminating , using racial slur , which I cant use here , and they told me its freedom of speech , and if u don’t like what they said , use the filler

english?

I agree with this. The WvW environment has become extremely hostile to anything new. This is only amplified by the new patch I do not see any roamers, everyone is either in a zerg or guarding territories for gliding buffs. That alone is enough reason to revert this gliding patch. I digress though.

I have noticed an overall trend in this game to be more exclusive. I like to try new things and test them but nobody ever gives me a shot. In WvW I wanted to try out a full minstrel engineer (using all turrets). I made this build around the experimental turret trait. I attempted to join up during NA prime time, waited in queue like everyone else but no squad let me in. I messaged a few of the tags explaining my build and still nothing. I would prefer complete open squad in which a decline can only occur if full. Guilds already have an advantage to squad creation because the can communicate on TS/Discord so everyone can join. Maybe to prevent abuse have a vote kick function like WoW. Each person could only vote on kicking maybe every 2 hours so it can’t be abused.

Furthermore I think this concept should expand into the PvE as well. I get tired of being kicked from raid groups solely based on LI. I was a mythic WoW raider that just swapped to GW2. I get these mechanics, I don’t want to farm VG over and over. Also, just like WvW, raid groups only want meta builds. This removes any possible testing that can be done. Why can’t I bring in my reaper? Anet says all classes are viable in raids , the leaders are just being elitist bullies at this point. To encourage more inclusive groups I think you should only be able to form a raid squad in LA. Then you have to pick the raid you want and it makes it public. At that point anyone should be free to join the raid regardless of class/LI. I get certain comps are necessary so maybe players need to have thresholds (healing power/etc) that allows them to choose tank/heals and fill that role (again WoW did this for LFR and that is a nice inclusive raiding environment). Again the vote kick feature could be used here with an internal voting timer of 1-2hrs. This would allow veterans to teach new players and get more people raiding. A win-win to me.

Also overlapping both of these issues is the TS argument. I don’t think raiding or WvW should have mandatory TS. I get headaches from using a headset and can’t really talk due to roommates. I watched videos online, I get the mechanics and movement of WvW/Raiding. Why do I need to listen to others? I just think it is unnecessary.

Thoughts?

Just join TS anyway. Turn it on so they can see ur there but mute ur mic. A lot of commanders dont care if u dont speak, they often say u dont have to talk, just listen. They dont need to know u are deaf and wont even know u cant hear them, especially if ur experienced and know how to run in wvw and stick on tag lol… a lot of ppl on TS have their mics muted.

HazyDaisy.4107:

What exactly would you like to see changed about squad policy? By the sounds of it, you’d like to see all squads open invite/join and no one has the power to kick anyone else.

Assuming that is the hope of this thread and it were implemented, what would happen with the case of say trolls, bigots, general nussiances, afkers, spies and the host of other unsavory players that grace the bls? No one would have the power to kick them or stop them from joining in the first place, the commander could re-create a new squad but be forced into the same situation each time.

Just wondering, what system you think could possibly be implemented that prevents bullying on the one hand, allows a commander control of his/her squad and doesn’t enforce bullying on the other hand?

Thanks for being interested in a solution. Much appreciated!

I think if there is only 1 commander on a map and the squad is not approaching fullness (say less than 45/50), the not invite function should be disabled. The squad should be open. Once full or if a guild only (with only members of the guild – not other guild “invites”), then the invite only function becomes available.

If more than one tag (with minimum of 5 players in each tag) is available on a map, then the invite only function can be available to the commander who has been on the map the longest, and as new ones join, the next longest commander, etc..

As to kick function, there should be auto kick if u r afk for more than 10 mins (or whatever Anet prefers). If a commander wants to kick for other reasons, such as inappropriate chat/behavior – a warning given, then a screen shot taken or report made and then the kick. Sometimes people engage in behavior or speak in ways they don’t realize are offensive – so a warning would be nice, tho perhaps optional.

If players are engaging in abusive talk in squad they should be booted provided it is legit, and someone in squad reports it/screenshots it. If it happens verbally in TS, then they should be booted from TS, but not necessarily squad, unless they repeat it or say more/different abusive language by typing it in squad/say/TC, etc.

Anet has a solution for people who are abusive in game. It is the report function. It would operate in the same manner in a half full squad when a commander wants to kick a player for being disruptive/abusive in violation of Anet TOS.

As to spies, I do not have any idea what a commander or anyone can do with them with or without kick/no invite function.

I do not suggest that these suggestions are perfect/without flaw – I just thought them up on the spot. I am sure something could be concocted with a little thought along these lines that would be easy to implement to prevent abuse by squads/commanders yet providing them with freedom to do as they please when full/guild/multi commanders, etc.) and to prevent abuse/afkers.

I am here and would welcome any thoughtful suggestions as to how to curb this egregious hurtful behavior that is hurting the game and players for no legit reasons cept being exclusionary/mean. Its like licensing “mean girls” behavior and everyone gets on board to say yah, its ok, looks ok to me cuz he/she is the boss. The boss is not always right and should not always be respected when engaging in behavior that is deliberately mean with no net positive effect to anything (in the circumstances I am complaining about per above).

Lady Sapphirah.6234:

Just join TS anyway. Turn it on so they can see ur there but mute ur mic. A lot of commanders dont care if u dont speak, they often say u dont have to talk, just listen. They dont need to know u are deaf and wont even know u cant hear them… Not many people talk that much on TS anyway, a lot have their mics muted.

I don’t think this is a viable option. I did try joining TS once but got kicked out of squad still. Apparently they do random checks to make sure people are listening due to spies from other servers. While I think that would work in some cases, I don’t think that is the right solution.

PaperTree.8706:

Lady Sapphirah.6234:

Just join TS anyway. Turn it on so they can see ur there but mute ur mic. A lot of commanders dont care if u dont speak, they often say u dont have to talk, just listen. They dont need to know u are deaf and wont even know u cant hear them… Not many people talk that much on TS anyway, a lot have their mics muted.

I don’t think this is a viable option. I did try joining TS once but got kicked out of squad still. Apparently they do random checks to make sure people are listening due to spies from other servers. While I think that would work in some cases, I don’t think that is the right solution.

Oh yup that press 1 of ur on TS thing lol

Eater of Peeps.9062:

HazyDaisy.4107:

What exactly would you like to see changed about squad policy? By the sounds of it, you’d like to see all squads open invite/join and no one has the power to kick anyone else.

Assuming that is the hope of this thread and it were implemented, what would happen with the case of say trolls, bigots, general nussiances, afkers, spies and the host of other unsavory players that grace the bls? No one would have the power to kick them or stop them from joining in the first place, the commander could re-create a new squad but be forced into the same situation each time.

Just wondering, what system you think could possibly be implemented that prevents bullying on the one hand, allows a commander control of his/her squad and doesn’t enforce bullying on the other hand?

Thanks for being interested in a solution. Much appreciated!

I think if there is only 1 commander on a map and the squad is not approaching fullness (say less than 45/50), the not invite function should be disabled. The squad should be open. Once full or if a guild only (with only members of the guild – not other guild “invites”), then the invite only function becomes available.

If more than one tag (with minimum of 5 players in each tag) is available on a map, then the invite only function can be available to the commander who has been on the map the longest, and as new ones join, the next longest commander, etc..

As to kick function, there should be auto kick if u r afk for more than 10 mins (or whatever Anet prefers). If a commander wants to kick for other reasons, such as inappropriate chat/behavior – a warning given, then a screen shot taken or report made and then the kick. Sometimes people engage in behavior or speak in ways they don’t realize are offensive – so a warning would be nice, tho perhaps optional.

If players are engaging in abusive talk in squad they should be booted provided it is legit, and someone in squad reports it/screenshots it. If it happens verbally in TS, then they should be booted from TS, but not necessarily squad, unless they repeat it or say more/different abusive language by typing it in squad/say/TC, etc.

Anet has a solution for people who are abusive in game. It is the report function. It would operate in the same manner in a half full squad when a commander wants to kick a player for being disruptive/abusive in violation of Anet TOS.

As to spies, I do not have any idea what a commander or anyone can do with them with or without kick/no invite function.

I do not suggest that these suggestions are perfect/without flaw – I just thought them up on the spot. I am sure something could be concocted with a little thought along these lines that would be easy to implement to prevent abuse by squads/commanders yet providing them with freedom to do as they please when full/guild/multi commanders, etc.) and to prevent abuse/afkers.

I am here and would welcome any thoughtful suggestions as to how to curb this egregious hurtful behavior that is hurting the game and players for no legit reasons cept being exclusionary/mean. Its like licensing “mean girls” behavior and everyone gets on board to say yah, its ok, looks ok to me cuz he/she is the boss. The boss is not always right and should not always be respected when engaging in behavior that is deliberately mean with no net positive effect to anything (in the circumstances I am complaining about per above).

Don’t thank me, I don’t support of the current squad system changing, just curious how you thought it should.

Keviin Snow.5760:

i was in wvw today , someone / guild telling a player he or she is stupid , she should not play wvw , go back to pve ,so I step in , I told them , u did’t pay for her game , u got no right to tell her what she can or cant do , I have seen too much cyber bullying , ended up suicide , , so he got the guild to harass me by trying to stand up for someone he is picking on telling her she should deleted this game. you cant play bah bah bah , that is just mean and cyber bullying , I did not know that happen in gw2 ,
after that they follow me around , harass me , call me all kina names
for trying to stand up for someone they harass , they were discriminating , using racial slur , which I cant use here , and they told me its freedom of speech , and if u don’t like what they said , use the filler

That’s a violation of the game’s code of conduct. The issue raised by the OP is not. It’s pretty straightforward.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

I did however, post a solution.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

I don’t think they should allow private “invite only” squads in wvw. Granted that does penalize guilds who want to do GvG activities, but I think they should already have their own game mode at this point since its called “Guild Wars.” Either way, I don’t think wvw should allow private tags, or the ability to kick people who want to join it.

I said a practical solution. Your solution requires ArenaNet, which isn’t necessarily going to spend development time trying to implement a technological solution to a community problem. My solution doesn’t because it is implemented by the community. Either way, it doesn’t sound like the OP is interested and has over-rationalized reasons against – even to the point of not reporting alleged harassment in-game – which puts the onus completely back on the OP.

Chaba.5410:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

This practice is prevalent on all servers/maps.

No it isn’t. You can’t possibly know without having an account on all servers.

My thought as well…absolute statements can’t always be proven absolutely. He must not be on my server as my guild leader frequently drives open pug groups and only about half end up in TS, but the rest are not booted from squad.

Eater of Peeps.9062:

I am asking for a forced open squad.

I finally found the TL/DR part…

I would be all for forcing open squads if they give us a invisible guild only tag that nobody outside the guild can see and only guild members (or invited people) can join.

Until then, suck it up my dear… We paid for our commander tag and we use it the way we want. If you are too poor to afford one, too bad, so sad. I worked for my gold and now I harvest the fruit of my investment.

Wb Jek

15 chars in a car

HazyDaisy.4107:

Wb Jek

15 chars in a car

Someone sent me the link of this thread and said I was required here… This is pure gold.

I’m all for an invisible guild tag, or at the very least a distinct tag that indicates its a guild only run. And I am guildless, have been for a long time. I just like it that so I always pug.

I’m on TS if the commander is with my mic muted, unless the conversation just becomes unbearably innane. Anyway, a guild only tag would save me the trouble of running across the map to check the ratio of same/different guild names.

I am more irritated by commanders that insist I join squad only to stick me in a group of thieves, I mostly run necro, if I’m in squad I want stab or why bother?

As far as OP is concerned, I don’t know what to say other than join a guild. I’ve been on a few servers, always play wvw and have yet to come across one server where there isn’t at least one guild that welcomes everyone. They may not be very good but you’ll get a guaranteed spot in squad. If that won’t work for you or any of the other suggestions people have made then I hate to say it but the problem is yours and no one else’s.

Siska.8102:

As far as OP is concerned, I don’t know what to say other than join a guild. I’ve been on a few servers, always play wvw and have yet to come across one server where there isn’t at least one guild that welcomes everyone. They may not be very good but you’ll get a guaranteed spot in squad. If that won’t work for you or any of the other suggestions people have made then I hate to say it but the problem is yours and no one else’s.

Oh no, you must be wrong… He said he have friends on all servers and that in every server every commander just bully everyone that isn’t on TS and kick them from squad…

ANET has no official in game voice chat. Most games don’t…some do. How can they monitor it? TS helps coordinate. I have covered in a similar post I do not use due to hearing difficulties and learned to play without it. Most people let you in squads and if they don’t…well … tag along, tag up or roam. Many options there.

Quartermaster.1903:

Keviin Snow.5760:

i was in wvw today , someone / guild telling a player he or she is stupid , she should not play wvw , go back to pve ,so I step in , I told them , u did’t pay for her game , u got no right to tell her what she can or cant do , I have seen too much cyber bullying , ended up suicide , , so he got the guild to harass me by trying to stand up for someone he is picking on telling her she should deleted this game. you cant play bah bah bah , that is just mean and cyber bullying , I did not know that happen in gw2 ,
after that they follow me around , harass me , call me all kina names
for trying to stand up for someone they harass , they were discriminating , using racial slur , which I cant use here , and they told me its freedom of speech , and if u don’t like what they said , use the filler

english?

no Chinese , are you discriminating my Chinese English ? am I not allow to play cuz I’m Chinese ?

Keviin Snow.5760:

Quartermaster.1903:

Keviin Snow.5760:

i was in wvw today , someone / guild telling a player he or she is stupid , she should not play wvw , go back to pve ,so I step in , I told them , u did’t pay for her game , u got no right to tell her what she can or cant do , I have seen too much cyber bullying , ended up suicide , , so he got the guild to harass me by trying to stand up for someone he is picking on telling her she should deleted this game. you cant play bah bah bah , that is just mean and cyber bullying , I did not know that happen in gw2 ,
after that they follow me around , harass me , call me all kina names
for trying to stand up for someone they harass , they were discriminating , using racial slur , which I cant use here , and they told me its freedom of speech , and if u don’t like what they said , use the filler

english?

no Chinese , are you discriminating my Chinese English ? am I not allow to play cuz I’m Chinese ?

You’re not from Dragonbrand?

Lol…who cares about your Language. All TS is for is to listen to commander. Hell all you need to do is log to their TS, mute your volume on PC (not TS or kicked) and run around with them.

Eater of Peeps.9062:

This practice is prevalent on all servers/maps.

oh my, this isn’t the necro’s epidemic
i think this is pandemic

glad that im on a server that is immune to such disease

If you are truly being harassed/bullied, I’m sorry. That sucks.

However, if this is just a complaint about play style, well, I’m sorry for that too, but you can’t force other people to play the way you want.

I don’t see why you can’t play with the squad without being in it. Just follow along and be useful. If you’re helpful you will be utilized. Unless you’re a kitten, then maybe they don’t want you for a reason?

If they are harassing you then report them and get them banned as you say you can do.

Either way, it sounds like there is more to this than has been told. Perhaps a transfer is best for you. Post in the “Looking For” forum to find a server that will better suit you. They may pay for your transfer costs.

Jeknar.6184:

HazyDaisy.4107:

Wb Jek

15 chars in a car

Someone sent me the link of this thread and said I was required here… This is pure gold.

Nice to see you endorse this behavior….. real nice. Genuine Lord of the Flies.

Jeknar.6184:

Keviin Snow.5760:

Quartermaster.1903:

Keviin Snow.5760:

i was in wvw today , someone / guild telling a player he or she is stupid , she should not play wvw , go back to pve ,so I step in , I told them , u did’t pay for her game , u got no right to tell her what she can or cant do , I have seen too much cyber bullying , ended up suicide , , so he got the guild to harass me by trying to stand up for someone he is picking on telling her she should deleted this game. you cant play bah bah bah , that is just mean and cyber bullying , I did not know that happen in gw2 ,
after that they follow me around , harass me , call me all kina names
for trying to stand up for someone they harass , they were discriminating , using racial slur , which I cant use here , and they told me its freedom of speech , and if u don’t like what they said , use the filler

english?

no Chinese , are you discriminating my Chinese English ? am I not allow to play cuz I’m Chinese ?

You’re not from Dragonbrand?

lol DB are mostly Korean =) i know monkey from DB , he is an awesome scout/ siege master

Sadly this is just the way it is and it’s the same on my server where the squad will be invite only and the password is spoken on TS and if your not on TS to hear it and whisper it to commander then you don’t get an invite. You also don’t get an invite if your not of a specific class and build.

It does come back to bite the commanders in the ass though because when there are not enough people to fill a squad and the commander is shouting open TAG in chat they get quite irate when people won’t join, and they wonder why?.

Eater of Peeps.9062:

U r forced to play with me on the map. I am already there. I am there with u, playing alongside u already, so this argument makes no sense and is not logical.

You are not forced to play with anyone.

Some days ago I was tagged pink on DBL, lazily running around. Got like 10 people. We engaged an equal sized group inside an enemy keep, we fought a long time but we ultimately died (they kept running from spawn). Thats when someone whispers me and start telling me how to command. Push push push and regroup etc. I dont care. I didnt tag up to “command”. I tagged up because we where so few and it was good to gather some peeps. But noooo he kept ranting on and on. Ultimately he said if I tag I have to command, otherwise I shouldnt command. So instead of whispers, I simply said I am taggig off by request of that player. I was the only tag on the map at that time. Oh the rage from him, lol.

Was he bullying me?

Was I bullying him?

I dont care, I do whatever I want.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Jeknar.6184:

HazyDaisy.4107:

Wb Jek

15 chars in a car

Someone sent me the link of this thread and said I was required here… This is pure gold.

Nice to see you endorse this behavior….. real nice. Genuine Lord of the Flies.

What? People paid for their tag, so they have to right to use them as they see fit… People who don’t like it can either try to find another commander or community that accept them, or get a tag themselves and be different. However, the OP do not want to take any of these options and want to Arena Net intervene in somenthing that really isn’t necessary.

Bottom line is, you cant force people to play the way you want them to play. Every commander has the right to include / exclude whoever he wants to. if the commander bashed you for being deaf then THAT is bullying. But you have not posted any proof as of why you claim the group is bullying you.

Sometimes guilds will run exclusively because thats what it is, a guild run. Even if it isnt, a commander still has the right to run his squad in whatever way he likes to because its his squad. This, like so many others have pointed out, is a social issue on your part and not a violation of the TOS. You are trying to force yourself onto them when they clearly dont want to be involved with you.

My solution like many others is to join a group of people / guild who are more empathetic and inclusive. Being excluded from what you want to do sucks, yes it does. But it does not give you the right to force yourself and your playstyle on them. Hope you find what you’re looking for, it sucks but you just gotta deal with it or move on to another game

Jeknar.6184:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Jeknar.6184:

HazyDaisy.4107:

Wb Jek

15 chars in a car

Someone sent me the link of this thread and said I was required here… This is pure gold.

Nice to see you endorse this behavior….. real nice. Genuine Lord of the Flies.

What? People paid for their tag, so they have to right to use them as they see fit… People who don’t like it can either try to find another commander or community that accept them, or get a tag themselves and be different. However, the OP do not want to take any of these options and want to Arena Net intervene in somenthing that really isn’t necessary.

People have a right to play the game as well. It isn’t like finding a new group is that easy with the recent patches increasing WvW exposure. During prime time all the maps are queued. At that point they can’t just find another map/commander. Also if people start to randomly tag it can lead to some confusion in larger fights.

Secondly guilds decid to stack maps during reset in order to lock out randoms from joining the map. I think that open squads would be a good change for making WvW a bit more inclusive, maybe some off hours (Anet has the data) closed squads would be ok. I mean if you don’t like it you can just do something else right?

Jeknar.6184:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Jeknar.6184:

HazyDaisy.4107:

Wb Jek

15 chars in a car

Someone sent me the link of this thread and said I was required here… This is pure gold.

Nice to see you endorse this behavior….. real nice. Genuine Lord of the Flies.

What? People paid for their tag, so they have to right to use them as they see fit… People who don’t like it can either try to find another commander or community that accept them, or get a tag themselves and be different. However, the OP do not want to take any of these options and want to Arena Net intervene in somenthing that really isn’t necessary.

referring to a thread about bullying and excluding as being “pure gold”

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Jeknar.6184:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Jeknar.6184:

HazyDaisy.4107:

Wb Jek

15 chars in a car

Someone sent me the link of this thread and said I was required here… This is pure gold.

Nice to see you endorse this behavior….. real nice. Genuine Lord of the Flies.

What? People paid for their tag, so they have to right to use them as they see fit… People who don’t like it can either try to find another commander or community that accept them, or get a tag themselves and be different. However, the OP do not want to take any of these options and want to Arena Net intervene in somenthing that really isn’t necessary.

referring to a thread about bullying and excluding as being “pure gold”

He still have yet to post any proof of actual bullying and excluding… Until then it’s all drama llama to me.

PaperTree.8706:

Jeknar.6184:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Jeknar.6184:

HazyDaisy.4107:

Wb Jek

15 chars in a car

Someone sent me the link of this thread and said I was required here… This is pure gold.

Nice to see you endorse this behavior….. real nice. Genuine Lord of the Flies.

What? People paid for their tag, so they have to right to use them as they see fit… People who don’t like it can either try to find another commander or community that accept them, or get a tag themselves and be different. However, the OP do not want to take any of these options and want to Arena Net intervene in somenthing that really isn’t necessary.

People have a right to play the game as well. It isn’t like finding a new group is that easy with the recent patches increasing WvW exposure. During prime time all the maps are queued. At that point they can’t just find another map/commander. Also if people start to randomly tag it can lead to some confusion in larger fights.

Secondly guilds decid to stack maps during reset in order to lock out randoms from joining the map. I think that open squads would be a good change for making WvW a bit more inclusive, maybe some off hours (Anet has the data) closed squads would be ok. I mean if you don’t like it you can just do something else right?

I’m not sure what server you are playing that have all maps queued on prime time… I’m on T2 and I don’t have that problem outside EBG and usually one Borderland… Maybe move out a stacked server to find more friendly people? Smaller communities tend to be more acceptative than larger ones. I left BG long ago and I don’t regret it one bit.

There is a lot of reasons to not let someone in a squad.

1) if someone won’t get into ts or discord

2)if it a guild only run

3) if you won’t listen to the commander’s commands.

Extra option) Some servers and guilds are more serious and will kick rangers, thieves, and engis, ( and sometimes warriors), on the spot because it doesn’t fit into their zerg comp.

Or if they think you are a spy they don’t want you near them or if you are an uplvl or dying really really fast and have an awful build.

Eater of Peeps.9062:

I would really like Anet to address/change a problem in wvw which is growing worse and is used solely to hurt players.

Squads/cmdrs continue to use closed/no invite feature to exclude players from non-full squads for no reason.

I want to be clear about my complaint.

1. I love GW/wvw and am vet wvwer/gwer.

2. Im experienced good player; when motivated, can be exceptionally good player.

3. Don’t want cmdr tag, don’t want to lead, don’t have money for it.

4. Squads I am complaining about are:
A) partially full, usually 20-40;
B) not on guild runs or “training runs” (w/e that is) or “dual guild” runs (disingenuously explained as 2 guilds on training run, lol);
C) 1 squad/cmdr on a map;
D) Usually prime time, monopolizing map for >1 hr.; sometimes 4-5 hrs / nite multi days;
E) Squads w/ same players w/ control

5. I am not disputing a cmdr’s right to exclude people – they have that right. Whether they should exercise that right to exclude people for no good reason is the issue and whether people should support these types of cmdrs/squads and whether anet should do something about abuses is the issue.

6. Don’t want to roam/havoc/solo – have zerg armor/boosters/food/weapons.

7. I mean this (believe it or not I don’t care) – I dont care a fig about bags.

8. Every single reason ever given to justify squad exclusion as above are illogical and do not hold up. If its just that I am hated, that’s bullying, and u will hate me whether I’m in squad or not – and it hurts squad & players when players r excluded from squad who want to join.

9. TS should not be an exclusionary tool/excuse to ban people from squad for hours – especially if people can’t join TS for w/e reason (I’m deaf).

10. It hurts squad/server/players when ppl r forced to run alongside squad – they r not as effective and neither is squad – heals indiscriminate/untimely, buffs/rezes erratic, etc. Squad does better when I’m in it rather than forced to run beside it.

11. I paid the same as everyone else.

Pls Anet monitor this situation and consider a fix. I have seen/heard (via typing) so many sickening stories of abuse of players re: entry deny/kick in partially full squads for purely abusive/bullying reasons.

Commanders have a right to accept or decline anyone. If you’re having THAT much of a problem, I would advise that you transfer servers. Some servers have really bad guilds that are exclusive and mean, Or just more hardcore. Others are more casual or varied. And to be honest even if you aren’t in a squad you can just follow tag anyways. I rarely join squads unless it’s my own guilds (Since I have a tendency to wander and would rather not take up a spot). On my server, EBay, we always have commanders asking people to join squad. I think this may just be a problem where you’re at.

Hi,

I am one of those commanders who promote coms use and so far the result has always been more wins vs loses when I make team composition in between players in coms vs those not in it.

This is why anyone if you may, please join ts, mumble, discord in your server.

If you can’t in the least just partyup with someone who has no squad, target the commander and aim to survive where ever he goes.

I guess some of my server mates feel the same as you do since i used to run open everyday before.

All is welcome in Heavy Loot Bag Salt raids and a squad position is always welcome to anyone who joins coms.

Are there two different complaints going on here now? Please use the in-game report function if there is some actual harassment going on and then block. The best thing that can be done is to explain how to report and block rather than get into a chat argument on someone else’s behalf. All you are teaching that person is how to throw fuel on the fire rather than empowering them with the in-game tools available.

Join TS you dont need listen what he says, I often have music on and just following zerg. They kick all players who are not on TS, so if you deaf just join TS and play your style.

Tagging up is a labor or love. We commanders feel the stress everytime we do it. Shell out food x siege and time to make our squad enjoy gw2. There is little to no reward in it worth mentioning except pride that your team did good.

In the least, because not many do tag up, support us by respecting the things we ask for. Just a bit of your time to join coms. Or by following.

Please do not force us to accept players who do not meet our criteria because it is not easy to carry against good teams.

And it’s an old saying since the early starcraft days, typing gets you killed, so use coms.

I used to play competitively for money in cs and starcraft and in no instance if we wanted to win we typed. There is just no better way than coms.

And lets say a person is disabled. Please let us know because we cant read minds. i think any com would make an exception. and if they do not, just choose another com to follow.

Chaba.5410:

Keviin Snow.5760:

Chaba.5410:

Keviin Snow.5760:

Chaba.5410:

Are there two different complaints going on here now? Please use the in-game report function if there is some actual harassment going on and then block. The best thing that can be done is to explain how to report and block rather than get into a chat argument on someone else’s behalf. All you are teaching that person is how to throw fuel on the fire rather than empowering them with the in-game tools available.

she was only a week old , new gw2 player , didn’t even know how to block , i posted this after i saw what happen , she was very sad , so i posted to let everyone know / aware
bullying is NO JOKE , think suicide Rate , sometime just 1 word can cuz someone LIFE , that is why i posted this on here some everyone will think twice . God Bless
btw she don’t know how to report , its too late now , she log out , she is new to gw2 and only 12 year old , being bully in wvw by someone , then the guild leader defended his guildmate saying his guildmate do NOT LIE , it had NOTHING to do with me i was just standing up for her , and he call me a lier , and i bet he is going to call the 12 year old victim a lier too , i could had kept my mouth shut , but anyone would had come to a 12 year old aid right ?

Did you teach her how to use /report and /block? That would’ve been the best way to provide aid.

i wasn’t thinking cuz , what she said after break my heart , she sounded so sad ,
later i did show her how to block but it was too late for her to report , cuz she log out , not long after , i hope to see her tomorrow , i know in her mind , she felt useless , unwanted , bullying is no joke , 1 word can kill that is why was posting and people attack me for trying to defend this girl ? i did my share , what go around come around
i told her don’t worry about it , its not the 1st its not the last , there are people in gw2 who are BEEP , just block and go listen to Tay Tay , Shake It off Haha
i was the 1st person who talk to her @ LA , she got no friends , not yet at least , she is only a week old

Then hopefully you will see her online again and can provide a supporting voice to mentor her through the world of gaming trolls. (BTW she most likely has an iPod or iPhone already and is no stranger to navigating online social interactions amongst her real life friends. But it is also a fragile time and kids need support when they feel overwhelmed.)

thank you , i hope to see her log in tomorrow too , when she log out , she sounded sad so , idk , i hope she don’t take it is too hard , cuz never know what a person is behind the computer , some people with depression , just 1 more word and push a person to the edge , but i know some ppl here who attack me for standing up for her don’t care if she live or die