Guild Wars 2

I haven’t done a lot of WvW so I could be clueless about something, or maybe there’s a really odd bug/exploit somewhere. Couldn’t find any information on the wiki/forum history.

I was solo roaming at a borderland’s SE supply camp. I killed all the guards and started to cap it, when a single enemy mesmer approached and contested the camp. We dueled for a bit, and then I got feared by something. I was confused because I know mesmers don’t have access to fear. A few seconds later, I got feared again, and then several more times. It was all pretty confusing, but my best guess is that I was feared about 5 times in total over the course of about 15 seconds. I have a somewhat tanky engineer build so I still wasn’t dead, but I was down to about 1/4 health so I got out and let the mesmer cap the camp (he was from the third faction). I stuck around and tried to invite the mesmer to a party to ask him if he knew what had happened, but he declined. I didn’t see any other players around for several minutes, but there might have been some random quaggans or something that I didn’t notice. Do any of them have fear attacks?

If this sounds like a bug, devs could move it to the bug report section. The only reason I’m posting here is to make sure this doesn’t happen naturally.

are you sure he was mesmer and not a necro ?

azizul.8469:

are you sure he was mesmer and not a necro ?

Unless necros have started using illusions and bouncing staff attacks, I’d say I’m pretty sure.

Sounds like he was using a consumable.

Is there any chance it was actually daze and not fear?

No, a mesmer being able to fear that many times doesn’t sound likely. The only thing I can chalk it up to is that were was another class somewhere, but it has nothing to do with the camp.

robertszak.9037:

Sounds like he was using a consumable.

omg… please tell me they left out some consumables…? Time for some experiments.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rune_of_the_Nightmare

The mesmer could have been sporting these runes.

The nightmare runes seems likely, not uncommon for confusion mesmers to use TA gear. I hadn’t personally done the research, but for him to get hit by it that often it means that clones have independent cooldowns on it? That may need looking into.

yeah.. but it says there 90s cooldown, but according to OP, he got feared again after few sec…. hmm…….

It may be a bug with the rune of the nightmare?
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rune_of_the_Nightmare
(1): +28 Condition Damage
(2): +4% Condition Duration
(3): +55 Condition Damage
(4): +6% Condition Duration
(5): +100 Condition Damage
(6): 5% chance to cause Fear.png Fear when hit. (Cooldown: 90s)

Condition damage, which is something mesmers can run, and it could be the source of the fear. However it’s meant to have a 90 second internal cooldown. Maybe it was bugging out.

Or maybe it’s proccing on clones?

Which would be kittening awesome. Broken, but awesome.

robertszak.9037:

Sounds like he was using a consumable.

There is no consumable that gives fear as far is i know.

I think Zenyatoo has it right.

Mesmers also have a trait that reflects CC effects on them back at the enemy. So if you feared the mes, it’d fear you instead (another long CD).

The rune the others mention is also possible.

Perhaps both proc on clones too?

Runes and theorys aside , it had to be this :p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIFOmCruUR4

If those Grawl Ritual Tokens can be used in WvW, then ….. wow. Imagine fearing a whole zerg off a cliff.

Were there any portobello Mushrooms around? And did you eat them?

Haha, thanks for the good responses all. I do know the difference between daze and fear, and it was not daze. Also, engineers do not have access to fear, so it wasn’t a reflection. If there’s no chance that random guards/quaggans can use fear then it sounds like rune of the nightmare is most likely. I hadn’t thought of that, or that it might proc on a separate cooldown off of clones.

I looked up some pictures of TA gear (haven’t done dungeons much either…hey, I’m a tournament player) and it does look like what the mesmer was wearing. I was using grenades and sometimes hitting the mesmer and a couple clones at once, each with the three grenade hits per attack, so I imagine the 5% proc could actually have happened that many times in a short window of time. I could potentially have been getting maybe 6-9 chances to proc every second, and killing clones quickly. Sounds like each new clone has a chance to proc the effect. I’ll make a thread in the bug report forum.

NevirSayDie.6235:

Haha, thanks for the good responses all. I do know the difference between daze and fear, and it was not daze. Also, engineers do not have access to fear, so it wasn’t a reflection. If there’s no chance that random guards/quaggans can use fear then it sounds like rune of the nightmare is most likely. I hadn’t thought of that, or that it might proc on a separate cooldown off of clones.

I looked up some pictures of TA gear (haven’t done dungeons much either…hey, I’m a tournament player) and it does look like what the mesmer was wearing. I was using grenades and sometimes hitting the mesmer and a couple clones at once, each with the three grenade hits per attack, so I imagine the 5% proc could actually have happened that many times in a short window of time. I could potentially have been getting maybe 6-9 chances to proc every second, and killing clones quickly. Sounds like each new clone has a chance to proc the effect. I’ll make a thread in the bug report forum.

You could have been wearing the same armour I play all 8 professions a lot.

But yes, most likely is the rune deal. Threw in the reflection idea just incase.

Did there happen to be a flame ram on the battle field? They have a nasty long fear on a low cool-down.

Also, was he using staff? The Chaos Storm ability can apply fear.

Adaneshade.2409:

Also, was he using staff? The Chaos Storm ability can apply fear.

Poison, weakness, chill, or daze. Fear is not one that procs for this skill.

NevirSayDie.6235:

It was all pretty confusing

I see what you did thereeeeee. Eh, eh?

He was a staff mesmer, but none of the staff skills apply fear. No flame rams. And yes, it was confusing, that’s exactly what I did there

But honestly, I just threw that part in because every time someone makes one of these threads everyone else is like “maybe you were just confused in the heat of the moment and it was really four staff necros that looked like one mesmer!” or, “maybe in the heat of the moment you didn’t see four thieves steal fear from four allied necros and use it on you!”

I’m convinced it is nightmare runes. Already made a thread on the bug forum, mods feel free to shut this one down so we don’t have 80 mesmers using nightmare runes on every server.

NevirSayDie.6235:

He was a staff mesmer, but none of the staff skills apply fear. No flame rams. And yes, it was confusing, that’s exactly what I did there

But honestly, I just threw that part in because every time someone makes one of these threads everyone else is like “maybe you were just confused in the heat of the moment and it was really four staff necros that looked like one mesmer!” or, “maybe in the heat of the moment you didn’t see four thieves steal fear from four allied necros and use it on you!”

I’m convinced it is nightmare runes. Already made a thread on the bug forum, mods feel free to shut this one down so we don’t have 80 mesmers using nightmare runes on every server.

Um, why aren’t you convinced it’s this:

Runes and theorys aside , it had to be this :p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIFOmCruUR4

Seems a heck of a lot more likely then a very popular rune having a drastic bug that nobody has ever noticed..

dank.3680:

NevirSayDie.6235:

He was a staff mesmer, but none of the staff skills apply fear. No flame rams. And yes, it was confusing, that’s exactly what I did there

But honestly, I just threw that part in because every time someone makes one of these threads everyone else is like “maybe you were just confused in the heat of the moment and it was really four staff necros that looked like one mesmer!” or, “maybe in the heat of the moment you didn’t see four thieves steal fear from four allied necros and use it on you!”

I’m convinced it is nightmare runes. Already made a thread on the bug forum, mods feel free to shut this one down so we don’t have 80 mesmers using nightmare runes on every server.

Um, why aren’t you convinced it’s this:

Runes and theorys aside , it had to be this :p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIFOmCruUR4

Seems a heck of a lot more likely then a very popular rune having a drastic bug that nobody has ever noticed..

I guess I shouldn’t assume that doesn’t work in WvW. I’ll have to test it. I can barely imagine that perma fear is allowed in WvW and no one is using it, though. I mean, it would be absolutely gamebreaking. Instant zerg destruction with 2-3 people using these.

NevirSayDie.6235:

dank.3680:

NevirSayDie.6235:

He was a staff mesmer, but none of the staff skills apply fear. No flame rams. And yes, it was confusing, that’s exactly what I did there

But honestly, I just threw that part in because every time someone makes one of these threads everyone else is like “maybe you were just confused in the heat of the moment and it was really four staff necros that looked like one mesmer!” or, “maybe in the heat of the moment you didn’t see four thieves steal fear from four allied necros and use it on you!”

I’m convinced it is nightmare runes. Already made a thread on the bug forum, mods feel free to shut this one down so we don’t have 80 mesmers using nightmare runes on every server.

Um, why aren’t you convinced it’s this:

Runes and theorys aside , it had to be this :p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIFOmCruUR4

Seems a heck of a lot more likely then a very popular rune having a drastic bug that nobody has ever noticed..

I guess I shouldn’t assume that doesn’t work in WvW. I’ll have to test it. I can barely imagine that perma fear is allowed in WvW and no one is using it, though. I mean, it would be absolutely gamebreaking. Instant zerg destruction with 2-3 people using these.

I’ve just tested, thankfully they don’t seem to work in WvW.

dank.3680:

NevirSayDie.6235:

dank.3680:

NevirSayDie.6235:

He was a staff mesmer, but none of the staff skills apply fear. No flame rams. And yes, it was confusing, that’s exactly what I did there

But honestly, I just threw that part in because every time someone makes one of these threads everyone else is like “maybe you were just confused in the heat of the moment and it was really four staff necros that looked like one mesmer!” or, “maybe in the heat of the moment you didn’t see four thieves steal fear from four allied necros and use it on you!”

I’m convinced it is nightmare runes. Already made a thread on the bug forum, mods feel free to shut this one down so we don’t have 80 mesmers using nightmare runes on every server.

Um, why aren’t you convinced it’s this:

Runes and theorys aside , it had to be this :p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIFOmCruUR4

Seems a heck of a lot more likely then a very popular rune having a drastic bug that nobody has ever noticed..

I guess I shouldn’t assume that doesn’t work in WvW. I’ll have to test it. I can barely imagine that perma fear is allowed in WvW and no one is using it, though. I mean, it would be absolutely gamebreaking. Instant zerg destruction with 2-3 people using these.

I’ve just tested, thankfully they don’t seem to work in WvW.

Okay good. I didn’t get a chance to head out to blazeridge for the event yesterday, glad to know this is confirmed not possible.