Guild Wars 2

iStrafex.9018:

Omega Mccoy.4237:

Necro.6432:

Frosch.7809:

Necro.6432:

I have no idea who are you to talk for CD and you’re talking as you know how we are and what our plays are like , you can talk from your server prespective which i don’t really care for because they are totally different from each other..where our wvw guilds are oriented on being openfield/gvg guilds and yet have balance between that and PPT but it gets boring when you face server that actually don’t fight.

P.S pvf forums pls respond to my gvg request, i saw someone’s post say TC/PAL/TUNE gvg ?..been over 6 weeks and didnt get 1 gvg out of YB lol

From your post i take it that i know nothing about your server’s playstyle while you seem to know ours.

It takes an expert to know how YB plays ? even the servers that haven’t faced YB knows how they play+ you won the most annoying server to face vote with a pretty good lead lol …just go man an AC , stop posting.

QQ man
Just because we play WvW the as it was designed and meant to be play.
Not our fault you guys still don’t get the concept of WvW, but seeing as how you got totally dominated by DB and YB, you guys don’t stand a chance in T2.
That one week not only did you got rekt, we got to see the true side of CD, full of fairweathers and just a vocal minority that uses the forums wanting to hit T2, that would have killed the server in the long run, all it took was a week of DB and YB to see them running back to PvE.

lol YB chest thumping about PPT? You realize that the PPT system is the whole reason wvw is slowly dying.

I don’t care what server moves up but this game needs fight guilds to organize so the only skill oriented playstyle wvw has to offer doesn’t die out and T2 is the perfect place for it. It’s an established gvg/fight oriented tier with blobs and raiding/gvg guilds. With no gvg mode and no wvw support whats so ever this game is slowly devolving into PPT heros chest thumping on their ACs.

It is so established and self-sustaining it fell apart…. I didn’t read that as chest thumping. I read that as playing the game differently than you. Neither view is wrong, but don’t expect everyone else to conform to the same mind set.

The only thing we know is YB will go t2. If they have fun, they might stick around. If they do not have fun, they will go to eotm or whatever until they can play WvW and have fun. The same will hold true for anyone moving up.

Lastly, someone else’s idea of fun may not match yours.

Omega Mccoy.4237:

An that would be exactly why YB would not be a fit in T2.
We play the game the way it was designed to be play, defend your stuff, use any advantage posible to accomplish that goal, and attack the enemy keeps and own their possessions. The fights that occur in the middle is just the ends to that goal and of course that is what makes it fun, the challenge of taking over something and fighting the people preventing it.

I don’t see any fun in running in the middle of nowhere in a blob, spamming all your skills and hoping you can crit harder than the other blob, and that they forget to step out of circles, use water and so on. That is no fun at all, hence why the game is not designed around it.

That is disgusting and foolish.

Disgusting because you are wrong on every count, but have conviction that you’re right.

Foolish because everything you offer as a weakness of tier 2 and fighting guilds are cheap caricatures of the real reasons that we absolutely destroy you every time to crawl out of your fearful EOTM fantasy.

YB4Tier8

or we can let t2 bore itself out so the lines of each tier are more blurry. Which may result in a t2-4 brawl and offer more variety than a locked in tier kinda thing. we already have 6 servers for t3/4 with maguuma joining the ranks thats 7. figure that’s better than the same stale matchups and same people for months on end.

shiri.4257:

or we can let t2 bore itself out so the lines of each tier are more blurry.

You’re right about the tiers below #2. You’re wrong about tiers 1 and 2. It won’t happen.

Come on people! as long as there are server transfer options you will always have population issues good or bad. stop transfers and let’s see how things go from there.

Actually, “In Season” YB would beat FA. It would depend on what SoS did but I’d still put my money on YB.

Problem is, it’ll be “Out of Season” YB that moves up to T2.

Virtute.8251:

Omega Mccoy.4237:

An that would be exactly why YB would not be a fit in T2.
We play the game the way it was designed to be play, defend your stuff, use any advantage posible to accomplish that goal, and attack the enemy keeps and own their possessions. The fights that occur in the middle is just the ends to that goal and of course that is what makes it fun, the challenge of taking over something and fighting the people preventing it.

I don’t see any fun in running in the middle of nowhere in a blob, spamming all your skills and hoping you can crit harder than the other blob, and that they forget to step out of circles, use water and so on. That is no fun at all, hence why the game is not designed around it.

That is disgusting and foolish.

Disgusting because you are wrong on every count, but have conviction that you’re right.

Foolish because everything you offer as a weakness of tier 2 and fighting guilds are cheap caricatures of the real reasons that we absolutely destroy you every time to crawl out of your fearful EOTM fantasy.

YB4Tier8

Ok another guy that doesn’t know how to play the game, when you can prove to me the game is designed for GvG then you will be right, until then, and according to how the creators of the game designed it, I am right. Most of the “competitive” guilds that quit use the reason that the game is not designed around GvG (Thank the Devs for that). This is WvW, everything revolves around the strength of the server, the community, not just the few.
If you want to prove how good your small few are, you can go tPvP and duke it out there, you don’t have to take the points, you can just see who can kill each other better.

But I feel sorry for you since you keep messing up the queue buttons and going into the wrong location to get what you are looking for.
Assuming you feel you need your gear and food to be competitive because you can’t compete on an equal ground in tPvP, you can always go to OS and spam your “elite” abilities there.

Thanks for allowing me the opportunity to educate you, hope you can find the right place to get what you want out of this game, I know I am getting my moneys worth in WvW by playing it like it is supposed to.

For some reason, people just aren’t getting the point of T2. If you come to T2, you have to not care about winning the PPT game. A couple YB posters get this point and don’t want to be a part of it. Fair enough. But the wonder about not having to worry about getting the most total points in the week is that you can actually enjoy best aspect of GW2: combat.

So all those posters saying that WvW is made to be played as a PPT-centric game mode? Sure, maybe. But in general, people play GW2 for the combat system. So you have to get the fights to maximize the experience. WvW is the best game mode for this, in my humble opinion. PvP can be fun for the fights, but it simply isn’t as dynamic as WvW. So people go to WvW for the fights. In fact, I’d be comfortable with saying that most WvW people play the game mode for the fights, not winning the week due to some flawed PPT system.

So here’s the point. In T2, you can focus on the fights, for once. You know how in T3+, you have people organizing those fight nights one or maybe two nights of the week?

Guess what?

In T2 we never have those because every night is a fight night. There’s plentiful roamers to find and fight. There’s guilds to fight in open field or GvG. There’s zergs to bust. And yes, there’s even a place for PPT-centric guilds. It’s an environment that is entirely accommodating for every game style, as long as each server accommodates every play style.

That’s why I’m unsure if YB will be a fit. I don’t think they have all those styles or are willing to sacrifice focus on PPT to give other styles breathing room. I could be wrong since YB has definitely changed from an outsider looking in, but the posters seem to point to the former.

In any case, come to T2 for the fights you want and crave. You’ll learn a lot and subsequently will have tons more fun when fighting. You’ll find that T2 guilds have a lot more sustain, while also having dynamic group composition and higher all-around damage. So fights are constantly interesting and constantly on the edge of defeat for either side. Even the groups/guilds that are learning are having a blast.

If you have any doubts, talk to a recent transfer to T2. I know [RAGE] from Kaineng just moved to FA and they’re already having tons of fun with all the fights they’ve had. Yes, it’s different and more challenging. But that’s the fun of it, especially if you win those fights.

tldr: Just come to T2 and try it. It’s not about losing/winning the PPT game. Ignore the fact that you’re losing the week. It’s about having tons of fun in fights.

SoS and FA won’t be double teaming any servers on purpose, they hate each other too much to do any kind of an alliance, so much so that they repeatedly said they would prefer TC over SoS in T2 (don’t think that worked so well last week though).

One of the T3 servers will have to move up to T2, Mags does not have the population to keep it in T2 or maybe T3 and may even drop to T4. SoS also lost some Sea coverage, a few NA guilds, and the one EU organized guild before the tournament, EU is a dead zone for SoS. SoS’s only two organized OCX guilds are supposedly leaving after the tournament, they already announced it and one tried to move before the tournament to the T1 servers but couldn’t.

Those moves if everything goes through, should bring SoS down to a more normal playing field timezone wise as everyone else. While I know a lot of people like to blame SoS for T2 downfall because of ppting(but gvg guilds don’t care about ppt anyways right).

WvW hasn’t changed much, same stale matchups lasting for months, same class meta’s, people are getting bored and they’re either moving up tiers(T1 is their last hope) for a lot of new competition or quitting all together. It just so happens Mags housed quite a number of gvg guilds(some guilds moved from lower tiers to SoS just to face them), once they all decided to split it came crashing down, they also apparently had internal clashes with their ppt guilds who have moved off as well.

In any case it will take a few weeks for things to settle down for servers, populations, and guilds. I wouldn’t make any moves to T2 until it does, but I think the good ole T2 gvg days are done.

Xenesis.6389:

WvW hasn’t changed much, same stale matchups lasting for months, same class meta’s, people are getting bored and they’re either moving up tiers(T1 is their last hope) for a lot of new competition or quitting all together.

Guilds go to tier one to die. There’s a laundry list of them. Guilds that were established on T2/3 (usually T2) and decide to go to T1. Within a month, bam dead. HOPE is the most recent victim of this phenomenon, I believe. I’m also waiting for many of the other T2 guilds that moved to T1 prior to seasons to announce their last rallies soon. It always happens.

IMO, T2 is still the best tier for fights, despite the collapse of the GvG scene. T1 too blobby and toxic with the cross-server politics. And from what I hear, established, closed, and hierarchical organizations within the T1 servers that dictate the path/actions of their entire servers.

EDIT: I lol’d. I had to say tier one instead of T1 because ANet thought T1 was a curse and made it “kitten”.

Virtute.8251:

shiri.4257:

or we can let t2 bore itself out so the lines of each tier are more blurry.

You’re right about the tiers below #2. You’re wrong about tiers 1 and 2. It won’t happen.

happened to maguuma. heard SOS is bleeding out too. isn’t that the reason for this thread? to salvage the current top dogs of t2? =)

@Basch
I would have to say you are right about almost all that you stated, and, I am speaking for myself not the entire YB server, personally, I want to go to T2 and have better fights, though NSP provides some good ones. But my idea of a fight is not going on the open field and duking it out to see who is the last group standing, though it happens on the way to objectives, I have more fun having a fight trying to take a keep or having a fight defending it. An like you said the funniest part of this game is the combat.

I see it as an opportunity to get better and see what else people are doing, but I never see myself just standing doing a fight without trying to go for a keep, tower, camp, etc.

As far as PPT goes, we do like to win, but the hardcore PPT’ing is only during seasons, after seasons, we don’t care if we win or lose, we just have fun and rest until the next season occurs.

@ xenisis
Well said. Why GVG scene / T2 imploded is up for debate, but the fact that imploded is fact. When the scene was hyped months ago, didn’t most of the guilds really interested in the aspect move to sos/mag/fa?

I doubt there are a ton of guilds that really dig that scene that haven’t moved already….

Time will tell who remains in T2 and what becomes of it, just don’t expect a server to change their identity to fit into someone else’s game mode…. Whoever has fun in T2 will be the server that tries to stay there. Otherwise back to t3/t4 where 5/6 servers in the tier were winning on any given week prior to season 3… While ppt / winning isn’t everything, close scores rallies the militia. And guess what – a lot of militia in t3/t4 (or so it seems).

Yeah a really long list of guilds that have died/split/re-merged when they moved in the past 6 months. They go to T1 and find out it’s about ppting and blobbing, the T1 guilds run 30-40, while T2 guilds run 10-25.

Having fought in the T1 matchups the past two weeks, I can definitely say T2 servers have a higher skill level than T1 guilds, no question about that, the only thing holding those guilds up there is their population. Just about every one of those guilds are running the super melee tank trains and barely any range bomb, compared to T2 you better dodge out of that red circle or you’re dead on the spot. We’ve even taken to running ranged zergs this week to combat those melee blobs lol, with good success I might add.

Omega Mccoy.4237:

Ok another guy that doesn’t know how to play the game, when you can prove to me the game is designed for GvG then you will be right, until then, and according to how the creators of the game designed it, I am right. Most of the “competitive” guilds that quit use the reason that the game is not designed around GvG (Thank the Devs for that). This is WvW, everything revolves around the strength of the server, the community, not just the few.
If you want to prove how good your small few are, you can go tPvP and duke it out there, you don’t have to take the points, you can just see who can kill each other better.

But I feel sorry for you since you keep messing up the queue buttons and going into the wrong location to get what you are looking for.
Assuming you feel you need your gear and food to be competitive because you can’t compete on an equal ground in tPvP, you can always go to OS and spam your “elite” abilities there.

Thanks for allowing me the opportunity to educate you, hope you can find the right place to get what you want out of this game, I know I am getting my moneys worth in WvW by playing it like it is supposed to.

Thank you for the exemplary showcasing of:

Virtute.8251:

wrong on every count, but have conviction that you’re right.

I particularly enjoyed the self-righteous tone. The co-opting of external parties to your argument is exquisite. The air of superiority is flawless. The reading of, and subsequent arguments against, claims that I didn’t make are both prototypical and priceless. Bravo!

Absolutely looking forward to your next sermon.

shiri.4257:

Virtute.8251:

shiri.4257:

or we can let t2 bore itself out so the lines of each tier are more blurry.

You’re right about the tiers below #2. You’re wrong about tiers 1 and 2. It won’t happen.

happened to maguuma. heard SOS is bleeding out too. isn’t that the reason for this thread? to salvage the current top dogs of t2? =)

No.

This thread is an invitation for GvG and fight-focused players to continue planning how they will arrange to encounter each other for the fights they enjoy against each other.

What you said about Maguuma is irrelevant to what you responded to. It’s a reading comprehension issue.

Virtute.8251:

wrong on every count, but have conviction that you’re right.

Prove me wrong, so far you have fail to do so.
All you have provided is your opinion on how you wish the game would be played, not the way it was designed to be played.

Basch.1347:

For some reason, people just aren’t getting the point of T2. If you come to T2, you have to not care about winning the PPT game. A couple YB posters get this point and don’t want to be a part of it. Fair enough. But the wonder about not having to worry about getting the most total points in the week is that you can actually enjoy best aspect of GW2: combat.

So all those posters saying that WvW is made to be played as a PPT-centric game mode? Sure, maybe. But in general, people play GW2 for the combat system. So you have to get the fights to maximize the experience. WvW is the best game mode for this, in my humble opinion. PvP can be fun for the fights, but it simply isn’t as dynamic as WvW. So people go to WvW for the fights. In fact, I’d be comfortable with saying that most WvW people play the game mode for the fights, not winning the week due to some flawed PPT system.

So here’s the point. In T2, you can focus on the fights, for once. You know how in T3+, you have people organizing those fight nights one or maybe two nights of the week?

Guess what?

In T2 we never have those because every night is a fight night. There’s plentiful roamers to find and fight. There’s guilds to fight in open field or GvG. There’s zergs to bust. And yes, there’s even a place for PPT-centric guilds. It’s an environment that is entirely accommodating for every game style, as long as each server accommodates every play style.

That’s why I’m unsure if YB will be a fit. I don’t think they have all those styles or are willing to sacrifice focus on PPT to give other styles breathing room. I could be wrong since YB has definitely changed from an outsider looking in, but the posters seem to point to the former.

In any case, come to T2 for the fights you want and crave. You’ll learn a lot and subsequently will have tons more fun when fighting. You’ll find that T2 guilds have a lot more sustain, while also having dynamic group composition and higher all-around damage. So fights are constantly interesting and constantly on the edge of defeat for either side. Even the groups/guilds that are learning are having a blast.

If you have any doubts, talk to a recent transfer to T2. I know [RAGE] from Kaineng just moved to FA and they’re already having tons of fun with all the fights they’ve had. Yes, it’s different and more challenging. But that’s the fun of it, especially if you win those fights.

tldr: Just come to T2 and try it. It’s not about losing/winning the PPT game. Ignore the fact that you’re losing the week. It’s about having tons of fun in fights.

I get what your saying with the “its about the fights thing” but for me personally, the ppt game is something that keeps wvw for me interesting. I usually solo roam or roam with my guildie (yeah only two of us still play you wanna fight about it?) and we look for fights but we do that in working actively on the servers ppt. IF I was just out there looking for fights and not thinking about ppt at all well i would get bored with it. I like to have a general goal that I like to work towards. So one night it might be starving an enemies bl of supplies, or hold a tower, etc.

I know there are a a bunch of “looking for fights” guilds on YB but one common denominator in all of our players is working together for the overall goal, ppt. Even our for fights guilds raid and work on defending or capturing objectives. In that process fights just naturally develop. I dunno to me this mentality that we have on YB it just seems like we wouldn’t fit in very well in T2.

In a perfect work I would like to see t2 de-stack a tad to create a t2-4 spread. That would give us 9…FREAKING NINE servers that could all be interchanged. That would lead to different matchups almost every week. PPT players would be happy because the coverage gaps wouldn’t be as severe. GvG would be happy as each week you would get a different matchup which would lead to different GvG’s for the week. Fight guilds, all week, then new matchup and a new batch of guilds to fight. Roamers would also be happy, players spread more so not as big of zergs to suck all the players into. It could honestly be a WvW oasis.

Just my .02 cents on the whole subject.

Omega Mccoy.4237:

Virtute.8251:

wrong on every count, but have conviction that you’re right.

Prove me wrong, so far you have fail to do so.
All you have provided is your opinion on how you wish the game would be played, not the way it was designed to be played.

You aren’t making an argument that warrants proving of a side. You’re erecting a strawman that I refuse to acknowledge. The failure isn’t mine.

What you’re proving is that you are blatantly incorrect in understanding the topic of this thread, and you are using it as an opportunity to gain attention to yourself and a separate hobby-horse issue that you feel strongly about.

Here, in this thread, we want to talk with people that are interested in the ideas that the OP brought forth. That includes a potential server that would host such people. You are proving that you are not such a person, and that you believe that you represent a server that shouldn’t be on the list of hosts. Fine. Say that, and leave it at that. Don’t belabor your point with vitriolic misrepresentations.

In Silver, the “for the fights” servers, in my humble opinion, are CD, IoJ, and NSP; all three field a decent number of 15-20 man guild groups and good roaming populations. Ironically, the servers most poised for T2, your “for the fights” tier, are YB and DB, who are probably the least “for the fights” servers in Silver.

Um. Yea. So thank you all for your insight into demise of GvG & predictions of demise of SoS/FA etc. Thanks all! While I agree the sudden departure of ALOT of GvG guilds has brought the scene close to collapse, there are quite a few guilds that still around. More guilds will form up and T2 will stay 15-20 man fight/gvg tier with second emphasis in ppt.

How do I know that? As multiple people have mentioned before the combat in this game is too fun to ignore. When you take down your first 40+ zerg holed up in a tower/keep with 15-20 without any siege and defend a structure against a blob you are hooked. It’s like crack. While you fight you still ppting but you are using the combat/group instead of pressing 1 on a superior ac… There are also people in t2 already that prefer to use acs/siege to defend. We had a guild on SoS Lion that LOVED this and they were so good at it too. Even players in fight/gvg guilds use siege to defend when they not raiding. So T2 isn’t just for open field/gvg but this thread is for open-field/gvg enthusiasts. This thread was created for 2 purposes.

1) Serve as point of contacts/guild lists so that fight/gvg guilds can stay balanced in T2 and transfer to the right servers for fights if they are interested
2) Guilds can stop moving up to T1 and dying because they couldn’t get all members in or the playstyle is too diferent then lower tiers etc.

PS: And for the last time I am not trying to change YB’s precious culture. Majority of T2 could give a rats kitten about YB’s culture The right server will move up and stay here. They will either adapt or get farmed till they fall down. It’s just the way it is. When the right server leeches enough points to stay in T2, the right guilds will move to this third server and all will be well! There will be balance!

mango.9267:

In Silver, the “for the fights” servers, in my humble opinion, are CD, IoJ, and NSP; all three field a decent number of 15-20 man guild groups and good roaming populations. Ironically, the servers most poised for T2, your “for the fights” tier, are YB and DB, who are probably the least “for the fights” servers in Silver.

I see that now. No worries things will correct themselves after tourney ends

Luvpie.8350:

I see that now. No worries things will correct themselves after tourney ends

RNG might say no… I’ll really laugh my kitten off if Mag get another T2 matchup after the season.

Jeknar.6184:

Luvpie.8350:

I see that now. No worries things will correct themselves after tourney ends

RNG might say no… I’ll really laugh my kitten off if Mag get another T2 matchup after the season.

Mag has only kept it’s glicko so high due to season influx and their few remaining fighters wanting a crack at those season blobs and achievement hunter loot.

Either way they won’t gain much glicko against SoS and FA with only one large raiding guild left (they still have awesome PuGs, but hardly anyone who commanded a month ago is still there).

No one is asking the new T3 to “become Maguuma”… in fact it would best if they did not follow that example.

No one is saying change how you play here, it’s just being said that whoever gets firmly placed at #6 (it’s fair to say the ball is in YB’s court on this one) should be under consideration for GvG guilds looking to transfer, or a spot for people wanting to start one.

What’s the worst thing that can happen is you might get better at combat.

A total aside I’m really admiring the FA posters eloquence here and nodding my head a lot.

We have a lot of vitriol towards each other (seriously, we’ll be focusing each other most of the time) but they “get” what we are talking about here.

Chris.3290:

No one is asking the new T3 to “become Maguuma”… in fact it would best if they did not follow that example.

No one is saying change how you play here, it’s just being said that whoever gets firmly placed at #6 (it’s fair to say the ball is in YB’s court on this one) should be under consideration for GvG guilds looking to transfer, or a spot for people wanting to start one.

What’s the worst thing that can happen is you might get better at combat.

Nah, the worst thing that can happen are the GvG guilds not contributing to anything but themselves. Then leaving when the rest of the server can’t carry wvw/ppt for them and leave to the next one to claim their awesomeness. that is probably why every server in t3 and below are wary of all these “gvg” guilds. Finding that right balance is rather difficult. PPT vs Fights

shiri.4257:

Chris.3290:

No one is asking the new T3 to “become Maguuma”… in fact it would best if they did not follow that example.

No one is saying change how you play here, it’s just being said that whoever gets firmly placed at #6 (it’s fair to say the ball is in YB’s court on this one) should be under consideration for GvG guilds looking to transfer, or a spot for people wanting to start one.

What’s the worst thing that can happen is you might get better at combat.

Nah, the worst thing that can happen are the GvG guilds not contributing to anything but themselves. Then leaving when the rest of the server can’t carry wvw/ppt for them and leave to the next one to claim their awesomeness. that is probably why every server in t3 and below are wary of all these “gvg” guilds. Finding that right balance is rather difficult. PPT vs Fights

Fully agree with this and feel this is one of the reason why Maguuma bled many players/guilds in the last few months.

Straegen, in the last page nailed it. There is no room for egoistic guilds on our server that does things only for themselves. If people wants to come here they will have to work together to achieve the common goal i.e. to win the match by metric Anet designed WvW (PPT).

NiloyBardhan.9170:

shiri.4257:

Nah, the worst thing that can happen are the GvG guilds not contributing to anything but themselves.

If people wants to come here they will have to work together to achieve the common goal i.e. to win the match by metric Anet designed WvW (PPT).

Yawn.

Would you be offended and argumentative if a guild refused to leave a map to answer to a rally-call for assistance on another map?

If so, please tank your server out of tier 2. There’s no place for your egoism (disguised as teamwork) there.

Virtute.8251:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

shiri.4257:

Nah, the worst thing that can happen are the GvG guilds not contributing to anything but themselves.

If people wants to come here they will have to work together to achieve the common goal i.e. to win the match by metric Anet designed WvW (PPT).

Yawn.

Would you be offended and argumentative if a guild refused to leave a map to answer to a rally-call for assistance on another map?

If so, please tank your server out of tier 2. There’s no place for your egoism (disguised as teamwork) there.

I’d prefer not to answer now

I can’t speak for my other servermates whether they will tank or not, but I’d love to experience T2 for atleast a few weeks. I want to see how we fare against the SoS OCX karma train with 5x/10x our numbers if we hold it with our siege or not since the closest thing to this in T3 is holding stuffs against DB SEA while being outnumbered.

Lastly, you (or me or anyone else for that matter) aren’t gonna decide what T2 has room for. It’s upto each individual servers to play however they want to unless it involves hacking or cheating.

Chris.3290:

3. Luvpie isn’t recruiting for the 3rd server as much as asking those that want more GvG focus to consider whoever settles in at the 3rd spot. SoS and FA already have some great GvG guilds and simply joining one of us will mean missing out on fighting many of the remaining guilds.

Who is Luvpie to ask GvG guilds to consider to transfer to whomever comes up to T2 from T3? It will most likely be YB to go up, so he is asking GvG guilds, who do not fit into the YB community, to come to us. No, thank you. Again, leave recruiting to us.

YB will most likely not change its playstyle for the sake of servers that have announced to spawn camp us.

FA and SoS WILL focus YB despite everything that has been claimed here, to push us out of T2 again. That’s actually fine. But don’t pretend you won’t do that.

shiri.4257:

Chris.3290:

No one is asking the new T3 to “become Maguuma”… in fact it would best if they did not follow that example.

No one is saying change how you play here, it’s just being said that whoever gets firmly placed at #6 (it’s fair to say the ball is in YB’s court on this one) should be under consideration for GvG guilds looking to transfer, or a spot for people wanting to start one.

What’s the worst thing that can happen is you might get better at combat.

Nah, the worst thing that can happen are the GvG guilds not contributing to anything but themselves. Then leaving when the rest of the server can’t carry wvw/ppt for them and leave to the next one to claim their awesomeness. that is probably why every server in t3 and below are wary of all these “gvg” guilds. Finding that right balance is rather difficult. PPT vs Fights

Something we learned when we had so many GvG guilds; is that they keep the most organized enemies off the battlefield. When they weren’t doing GvG, guilds like EP, HOPE, and NS were beastly battlefield presences. They saved keeps, engaged enemy blobs single-handedly, and lord help you if they got really bored and decided to take your keep.

In T2, we’ve learned to coordinate; having PPT groups work around or with the open-field/GvG groups. While PuGmanding I’ve captured a lot of real-estate from opposing servers because they were all tied up by a zerg-busting group.

I’ve only once have seen a GvG group complain about someone else working on the same map, and quite frankly that group had divided loyalties (ever have a guild on your server that had site admins for the opposing server?).

Most GvG groups just want fights so most are typically grateful for those who are doing the PPT work (unless they are jerks, and I know just as many PPT jerks as GvG jerks).

^the truth is there by chris. the two have to coexist. the moment one side discriminates or neglects the other, that’s when the server hits the fan. finding the right balance for each server is a tricky art.

Frosch.7809:

Chris.3290:

3. Luvpie isn’t recruiting for the 3rd server as much as asking those that want more GvG focus to consider whoever settles in at the 3rd spot. SoS and FA already have some great GvG guilds and simply joining one of us will mean missing out on fighting many of the remaining guilds.

Who is Luvpie to ask GvG guilds to consider to transfer to whomever comes up to T2 from T3? It will most likely be YB to go up, so he is asking GvG guilds, who do not fit into the YB community, to come to us. No, thank you. Again, leave recruiting to us.

YB will most likely not change its playstyle for the sake of servers that have announced to spawn camp us.

FA and SoS WILL focus YB despite everything that has been claimed here, to push us out of T2 again. That’s actually fine. But don’t pretend you won’t do that.

FA and SoS have a really heated rivalry, and focusing YB isn’t really part of that equation. If anything we’d be grateful to have a 3rd active server again so it stops being a 1v1 all the time.

That being said, if you bring the lowest common denominators of play to the field; I can’t promise you that we won’t find common ground. Refuse to fight without AC cover? Only attack when there are Orange Swords between the other two servers? Backstab the weaker server to fight for second?

You do those things and then T2 won’t be your problem for much longer.

So I’ve been on 5 or 6 servers and was in a GVG guild for the majority of my time playing this game (HOPE). I took a vacation after we disbanded and server hopped a few times. Lately I’ve been on YB while I wait to be able to transfer to TC.

It’s the strangest server I’ve ever been on.

Some observations:

Some of the silver league servers have MUCH higher population in NA prime than SOS/FA/Mag. I saw blobs from NSP that were much larger than I had seen in months on T2. There is a glicko barrier that has maintained the T2 matchup for a long time, and that was keeping the tier the way it was before leagues. At this point, I feel comfortable in saying that T3 and some T4 servers have more overall coverage than MAG and FA, and sometimes SOS when their OCX decide to fairweather. Obviously Mag is going to fall down. What I’ve seen from YB is pretty ridiculous coverage between hours and raw number of people on the maps. Whenever I comment on this I get the same old spiel about how YB plays hard for the seasons and then doesn’t wvw much. There are definitely quite a few servers that could take the new T2 spot.

All I’ve done is pug zerg surf and roam on YB. I’ve seen a grand total of one guild raid that looked semi-competent and that was The Coasters (even though they were tagged up for pugs when I was with them, their movement gave me the impression they at least understood the fundamentals of open-field). Outside of that, my experience leads me to conclude that YB is a server of pugs that has fully embraced the T1 PPT game. Any ridicule from me about dropping open field siege is met by a wall of red text saying that YB is winning all the fights so obviously they’re the best server. When DB loses a keep because YB has more people online, it’s because YB is more skilled, not that they have more coverage. It’s the same T1 mentality that had me in stitches the last time I was on SOS matched up against T1.

It really astounds me that so many people are fixated on this “winning” when there are hardly any prizes for it (especially outside of leagues). The farming HOPE would do when we weren’t scrimming made me a relatively wealthy player. I never do PVE, I find it extremely boring and unchallenging. I think if people took the time to learn different builds and playstyles, they’d be surprised how much playing for the fights is. I know. I was a former PPT trykitten IOJ. I used to get glee from ninjaing T3 towers and unleashing a hellfire of arrowcarts onto an enemy zerg. As soon as I learned to play (l2p nubs), the siege and ppt was empty and meaningless.

I wish there was a way to document the positive PPT effect gvg guilds had on SOS. When we first got there, NA was pretty much devoid of players. We’d get yelled at for not running across the map to help save a keep/tower, but we’d definitely help out if there was a good fight to be had (no, we’re not moving 25 players away from a good fight because you’re not capable of taking on a 10 man group). Most of the time though, especially in home bl, we kept big enemy guilds occupied by fighting them down South. If we weren’t there, they would do the same thing we did when we were bored and wanted fights… drop rams and start taking things until someone would come fight us. I guarantee we had an overall positive impact on the oh-so-precious ppt.

I’m a jerk. I’ll start this paragraph with this. I’m not a nice person and I love to see people qqing in map chat (<3 u sos). I think we should move some gvg guilds from kitten YB and ruin their PPT heaven. There is enough of a population here to maintain t2 easily. It would bring stability to t2 again and unify the GVG population. Right now the community is fractured between T1 and T2. After this season ends, interaction between the two tiers will be extremely limited. It’s unclear if/when Anet will increase the population caps for T1 servers so full guilds can transfer over again.

Otherwise: Please anet, I’m stuck on YB. I just want to run with a highly ranked gvg group again and farm baddies and scrim other good players. Please help, the locals are probably going to try and kill me soon. Let me in to TC please? <3?

Gudradain.3892:

ShadowStep.3640:

If GvG ever wants to reconstruct itself, it should do so on a lower tier server. That’s why GvG failed, because they choose to house it in tier 2 instead of tier 5 or 6. By housing GvG in a lower tier, you can GvG all you want without much pressure to ppt.

This.

Time to give up on this fail T2 GvG experiment that is destroying the game for everyone. Destroying it for yourself, like we can see with Mag currently, and destroying it for all the other server that you drain of their WvW guilds.

Better to spread out evenly in silver league. That way you will get different server to fight every week.

It wasn’t a failed experiment lol neither of you have a clue what you are talking about. GvG imploded for a lot of reasons, none of them are what you listed. The most primary one is that the guilds that had been gvging in that tier (ep, agg, ns, hope, ek, pyro, ark, others) simply got bored with the game after playing for so long. Its not like members from those guilds don’t still play. Some do, some left for AA.

They will just join new guilds and the scene will revive itself slowly. T2 was perfect for gvg. If you mvoe to bronze tier for gvg, you will be bored as hell. GvG guilds generally want to do more than gvg. Zergbusting is included. Spreading out guilds over silvier tier is probably the worst possible idea. If you do this, you will have a better chance of ending up in stale matchups where you have no one to fight. T2 was nice because you knew youd get good fights each week.

Reset 6 gvg guilds on a map was the best. LOL at your destroying the game comment. Maguuma did this bad during Season 2 as well because they don’t have the man power. The broken ppt system is whats wrong with WvW. Maguuma gvg folk could ppt all they wanted and still not get 1/5th of the ppt that JQ has.

Its also the fact that WvW is dying out so badly because of the lack of update to the mode.

Frosch.7809:

Chris.3290:

3. Luvpie isn’t recruiting for the 3rd server as much as asking those that want more GvG focus to consider whoever settles in at the 3rd spot. SoS and FA already have some great GvG guilds and simply joining one of us will mean missing out on fighting many of the remaining guilds.

Who is Luvpie to ask GvG guilds to consider to transfer to whomever comes up to T2 from T3? It will most likely be YB to go up, so he is asking GvG guilds, who do not fit into the YB community, to come to us. No, thank you. Again, leave recruiting to us.

YB will most likely not change its playstyle for the sake of servers that have announced to spawn camp us.

FA and SoS WILL focus YB despite everything that has been claimed here, to push us out of T2 again. That’s actually fine. But don’t pretend you won’t do that.

I am sure there are more guilds in T2-8 that are interested in fights/gvgs but don’t care for the blobs/raid sizes in T1. Please consider the THIRD SERVER in the T2 match up once the tourney ends.

PS: The reason I put Third Server instead of YB is simple. I don’t know YB. I am not sure how welcoming they would be to fight guilds or if they even want to be in T2. A week or two in T2 after tourney should give a clearer picture of who the third server in T2 will be.

Learn to read.

If YB posters in this thread represent the attitude of the majority then don’t worry about 2v1. You guys will stop playing on Sunday & will bounce back to T3. Can’t wait for CD or DB.

Sktlightmoon gets it
I know for the lowers tiers it’s hard to get just how intense W3 was in T2 for like 5-6 months. I mean literally almost any NA guild you came in contact with could melt you in 5 seconds if you weren’t on your game. Even off hours had KH and NV, EA you get rolled no matter what your standing behind. Fortified WP keep is just more bags to these guys being imported from other maps. HOPE could sit in 6 superior ACs fire and sustain pretty much forever. You had to learn how to fight cause there wasn’t a piece of siege or wall fortified enough to stop these guys from breaking in if they didn’t have another guild to fight somewhere on the map. I’m talking 20 guys rolling 40 man pug blobs in siege fire.
But these were the people that mastered the game, hell some of them practically invented and re-invented the meta for the whole game mode. The top 5-10% I’d say. Eventually the game just got old to them. They had mastered all there was and after 2 years of playing hardcore to be the best they could they burned out. The competition dying killed off many other guilds and off course the random T1 purging we all go through.
What these SOS people are trying to say in maybe an awkward way is that there is still a lot of people left in T2 that played in that era, and many of them like myself are now training newbie scrubs and growing our new guilds that will hopefully be the new open field fight guilds of the next generation. And IF you’re interested in this type of thing T2 is the perfect place to get your feet wet right now.
There will be no 2v1
FA will work SOS in the off hours to try to help you
SOS for all its faults is a server that won’t bunker they will fight, and they recognize the importance of allowing players to play how they want to play.
SOS/FA don’t need transfers we need a third server and we’re rolling out the welcome mat.

Visirale.6097:

So I’ve been on 5 or 6 servers and was in a GVG guild for the majority of my time playing this game (HOPE). I took a vacation after we disbanded and server hopped a few times. Lately I’ve been on YB while I wait to be able to transfer to TC.

It’s the strangest server I’ve ever been on.

Some observations:

Some of the silver league servers have MUCH higher population in NA prime than SOS/FA/Mag. I saw blobs from NSP that were much larger than I had seen in months on T2. There is a glicko barrier that has maintained the T2 matchup for a long time, and that was keeping the tier the way it was before leagues. At this point, I feel comfortable in saying that T3 and some T4 servers have more overall coverage than MAG and FA, and sometimes SOS when their OCX decide to fairweather. Obviously Mag is going to fall down. What I’ve seen from YB is pretty ridiculous coverage between hours and raw number of people on the maps. Whenever I comment on this I get the same old spiel about how YB plays hard for the seasons and then doesn’t wvw much. There are definitely quite a few servers that could take the new T2 spot.

All I’ve done is pug zerg surf and roam on YB. I’ve seen a grand total of one guild raid that looked semi-competent and that was The Coasters (even though they were tagged up for pugs when I was with them, their movement gave me the impression they at least understood the fundamentals of open-field). Outside of that, my experience leads me to conclude that YB is a server of pugs that has fully embraced the T1 PPT game. Any ridicule from me about dropping open field siege is met by a wall of red text saying that YB is winning all the fights so obviously they’re the best server. When DB loses a keep because YB has more people online, it’s because YB is more skilled, not that they have more coverage. It’s the same T1 mentality that had me in stitches the last time I was on SOS matched up against T1.

It really astounds me that so many people are fixated on this “winning” when there are hardly any prizes for it (especially outside of leagues). The farming HOPE would do when we weren’t scrimming made me a relatively wealthy player. I never do PVE, I find it extremely boring and unchallenging. I think if people took the time to learn different builds and playstyles, they’d be surprised how much playing for the fights is. I know. I was a former PPT trykitten IOJ. I used to get glee from ninjaing T3 towers and unleashing a hellfire of arrowcarts onto an enemy zerg. As soon as I learned to play (l2p nubs), the siege and ppt was empty and meaningless.

I wish there was a way to document the positive PPT effect gvg guilds had on SOS. When we first got there, NA was pretty much devoid of players. We’d get yelled at for not running across the map to help save a keep/tower, but we’d definitely help out if there was a good fight to be had (no, we’re not moving 25 players away from a good fight because you’re not capable of taking on a 10 man group). Most of the time though, especially in home bl, we kept big enemy guilds occupied by fighting them down South. If we weren’t there, they would do the same thing we did when we were bored and wanted fights… drop rams and start taking things until someone would come fight us. I guarantee we had an overall positive impact on the oh-so-precious ppt.

I’m a jerk. I’ll start this paragraph with this. I’m not a nice person and I love to see people qqing in map chat (<3 u sos). I think we should move some gvg guilds from kitten YB and ruin their PPT heaven. There is enough of a population here to maintain t2 easily. It would bring stability to t2 again and unify the GVG population. Right now the community is fractured between T1 and T2. After this season ends, interaction between the two tiers will be extremely limited. It’s unclear if/when Anet will increase the population caps for T1 servers so full guilds can transfer over again.

Otherwise: Please anet, I’m stuck on YB. I just want to run with a highly ranked gvg group again and farm baddies and scrim other good players. Please help, the locals are probably going to try and kill me soon. Let me in to TC please? <3?

lol then why did you transfer here knowing that we play to win every week and don’t have many open field guilds? I am guessing you were on Maguuma just before transferring here and knowing how these two servers despise each other you shouldn’t have really transferred here. Now stay stuck here haha

Luvpie.8350:

Frosch.7809:

Chris.3290:

3. Luvpie isn’t recruiting for the 3rd server as much as asking those that want more GvG focus to consider whoever settles in at the 3rd spot. SoS and FA already have some great GvG guilds and simply joining one of us will mean missing out on fighting many of the remaining guilds.

Who is Luvpie to ask GvG guilds to consider to transfer to whomever comes up to T2 from T3? It will most likely be YB to go up, so he is asking GvG guilds, who do not fit into the YB community, to come to us. No, thank you. Again, leave recruiting to us.

YB will most likely not change its playstyle for the sake of servers that have announced to spawn camp us.

FA and SoS WILL focus YB despite everything that has been claimed here, to push us out of T2 again. That’s actually fine. But don’t pretend you won’t do that.

I am sure there are more guilds in T2-8 that are interested in fights/gvgs but don’t care for the blobs/raid sizes in T1. Please consider the THIRD SERVER in the T2 match up once the tourney ends.

PS: The reason I put Third Server instead of YB is simple. I don’t know YB. I am not sure how welcoming they would be to fight guilds or if they even want to be in T2. A week or two in T2 after tourney should give a clearer picture of who the third server in T2 will be.

Learn to read.

If YB posters in this thread represent the attitude of the majority then don’t worry about 2v1. You guys will stop playing on Sunday & will bounce back to T3. Can’t wait for CD or DB.

Not to sound arrogant but this has been said before and I will repeat it, no server in silver has the coverage to compete in T2 unless its during season, which isn’t the case. Maybe few GvG guilds will like T2 really well but what about the rest? PPT guilds? Fairweathers? Without them the server will drop down a tier again.

Honestly this is stil SoS fault. Since FA doesn’t have t2 coverage during the night, Sos just steamrolls over every door/npc. Cd and db just have sea. Which in SoS cause are pst doing golem rushes on undefended keeps. The 3rd server has to have pst to survive.

What is this 2013? Stop whining about SoS Ocx. We only have a fairweather ocx pop + maybe 1-2 guilds left after tourney.

Those asking for lower than Tier 2 fights scene have no concept of the state of the game and its population.

We are in Tier 2 because that’s where most of the fights were. You dont simply GVG in a lower tier. You may get a few fights here and there but in terms of practicing zerg busting, scrimming and GVG the population to fight is non existent outside of reset. Most times there is no one to fight and those that do retreat to towers. Thats why Tier 2 was the best option. Plenty of guilds to fight all day and night long whom are willing to fight. Lots of oppotunities to scrim and a heap of population and hence, guilds to fight.

Why do you think SOS lost a lot of fights guilds to Tier 1 before the tourney? Think about it. There’s no one to fight in the lower tiers. This is natural attrition, with new MMO’s and a somewhat fundamentally unchanged game from launch. There is less population. We’ve seen a lot of great guilds give the game away….and some of those that remain went to T1….for a reason.

Buffy.9246:

Honestly this is stil SoS fault. Since FA doesn’t have t2 coverage during the night, Sos just steamrolls over every door/npc. Cd and db just have sea. Which in SoS cause are pst doing golem rushes on undefended keeps. The 3rd server has to have pst to survive.

The PST pushes were mostly NA college students home for summer break. You already saw the difference the first week of the season and you’ll see it again over the next few weeks. We’re still stronger than FA in PST, but being greater than next to nothing isn’t much to brag about. If YB and CD even have a modest PST population you’ll see our PST pushes completely grind down (unless they play for second) to a halt.

Our OCX casual pop will probably keep us in the lead, but it won’t be the pre-season blowouts of 100k+ every week. CD is far from a slouch and YB has their keeps locked down all night. Even our PvD trains will get bogged down in their stuff.

This could be a very positive change to T2 if people are willing to give it a chance.

Chris.3290:

Buffy.9246:

Honestly this is stil SoS fault. Since FA doesn’t have t2 coverage during the night, Sos just steamrolls over every door/npc. Cd and db just have sea. Which in SoS cause are pst doing golem rushes on undefended keeps. The 3rd server has to have pst to survive.

The PST pushes were mostly NA college students home for summer break. You already saw the difference the first week of the season and you’ll see it again over the next few weeks. We’re still stronger than FA in PST, but being greater than next to nothing isn’t much to brag about. If YB and CD even have a modest PST population you’ll see our PST pushes completely grind down (unless they play for second) to a halt.

Our OCX casual pop will probably keep us in the lead, but it won’t be the pre-season blowouts of 100k+ every week. CD is far from a slouch and YB has their keeps locked down all night. Even our PvD trains will get bogged down in their stuff.

This could be a very positive change to T2 if people are willing to give it a chance.

Weren’t you the one who wanted FA/Sos to focus yb out of t2?

Buffy.9246:

Honestly this is stil SoS fault. Since FA doesn’t have t2 coverage during the night, Sos just steamrolls over every door/npc. Cd and db just have sea. Which in SoS cause are pst doing golem rushes on undefended keeps. The 3rd server has to have pst to survive.

If you really want to put the blame that way, let’s take it a step further back. The sos golem rushes were returning the favor to Mags and FA for rolling over SoS EU like clockwork 3-6pm est after Pain logged off every single day for 2 months. With 3-5 golems taking 2-3 keeps at a time, there was nothing we could do about it either. Eventually you guys kitten off one of our commanders enough that he did it every day we got hit with golem rushes.

The only difference was, SoS has a defensive team that puts the keeps back together in a few hours, while FA goes to sleep crying into their pillows instead.

See guys, there’s never going to be an alliance with FA XD

Once again still your fault. These are AMERICAN servers for a reason. There are no oceanic servers, which means we only playin the right time zones. Go t1 is your oceanic.

FA just mad cuz #magswag bought out all your OCX.

Super Kruegs.8967:

Sktlightmoon gets it
I know for the lowers tiers it’s hard to get just how intense W3 was in T2 for like 5-6 months. I mean literally almost any NA guild you came in contact with could melt you in 5 seconds if you weren’t on your game. Even off hours had KH and NV, EA you get rolled no matter what your standing behind. Fortified WP keep is just more bags to these guys being imported from other maps. HOPE could sit in 6 superior ACs fire and sustain pretty much forever. You had to learn how to fight cause there wasn’t a piece of siege or wall fortified enough to stop these guys from breaking in if they didn’t have another guild to fight somewhere on the map. I’m talking 20 guys rolling 40 man pug blobs in siege fire.
But these were the people that mastered the game, hell some of them practically invented and re-invented the meta for the whole game mode. The top 5-10% I’d say. Eventually the game just got old to them. They had mastered all there was and after 2 years of playing hardcore to be the best they could they burned out. The competition dying killed off many other guilds and off course the random T1 purging we all go through.
What these SOS people are trying to say in maybe an awkward way is that there is still a lot of people left in T2 that played in that era, and many of them like myself are now training newbie scrubs and growing our new guilds that will hopefully be the new open field fight guilds of the next generation. And IF you’re interested in this type of thing T2 is the perfect place to get your feet wet right now.
There will be no 2v1
FA will work SOS in the off hours to try to help you
SOS for all its faults is a server that won’t bunker they will fight, and they recognize the importance of allowing players to play how they want to play.
SOS/FA don’t need transfers we need a third server and we’re rolling out the welcome mat.

I think no one is disputing most of these points. What you basically have here is FA and SOS saying they want a replacement 3rd server of their own design. Most ppl from YB were just trying to explain that the server in general doesn’t do what you guys want. I like gvgs and I like open field fights, but it doesn’t mean I can’t see that YB would not be a good server to stack for GvG guilds. WET tried, and while YB liked them a lot, the general pop of the server is pvx and very casual. YB is mostly casual players that will trykitten seasons, but not much more. As a casual server, there is no leadership to decide on things you are asking. Ppl who want to ppt, will ppt. Ppl who want to go out and havoc will havoc. etc. Only set thing is that we will defend if called. So there is absolutely no point talking about what YB will or will not do. no one knows.

After all of this, it would sort of be funny if the rng gods rolled mags up against sos/fa the first week after seasons….. I think that is still possible with a 40 point difference…..

Either way, T2 servers will find out if they have a dance partner they like eventually or if they are still playing with themselves with a third server as onlooker. I don’t think anyone would hate a scenario with different servers bubbling up and down for a week or two at a time…..

Buffy.9246:

Once again still your fault. These are AMERICAN servers for a reason. There are no oceanic servers, which means we only playin the right time zones. Go t1 is your oceanic.

No! You play how I want!1!!!1!1!1!1

ppt gazers…