Guild Wars 2

Why in the world would you even have us target clones at all when tabbing for the Mesmer? All I have to do is tab just one extra time and im attacking a clone. I guess you want us to chase the Mesmer with our mouse and click on him every time they come out of stealth. this is why my war will continue to run from Mesmer cause its just a point and click game not a fight.

Because it’s one of the basis of how mesmers fight…?

We’re not going to stand toe-to-toe with you because we could never win that way.

To be honest, I’m not really sure if I understand the question. It kind of sounds like you’re complaining about a basic gameplay mechanic that’s specifically designed to make mesmers good at duelling, which is kind of the point of the class, but like I said I’m not sure if that’s what you’re saying.

What would your suggestion be to “fix” (I use the term loosely since I don’t think it needs fixing) this?

its easy to kill the Mesmer with melee, but some of the ranged weapons will (ranger longbow example) change targets when you push a skill key, without a new clone being created by the Mesmer or the ranger pushing a change target button. its a broken mechanic.

The mesmer relies on tricking you into attacking it’s illusions as their main method of defense.

When fighting a mesmer you should be using the mindset of “I’m fighting 4 people”, using tab to change targets when fighting 4 people just doesn’t work, you have to click on the target you want.

It’s not that much more effort, you use your mouse to move your screen around (or at least, you should be. Keyboard turning is not efficient) so the mouse should already be hovering around the centre of the screen, making it easy to click on the person you want to attack.

For some Mesmer builds killing the clones accounts for a lot of the Mesmer’s damage. Never targeting the clones when using tab would cause those traits to be almost all but useless. In addition, the Mesmer is all about misdirection and confusion and using your clones to hide yourself is a big part of playing a mesmer, we have light armor, we use the clones to mitigate damage to compensate for that squishy armor. Again, removing clones from tab target would give everyone a simple way to bypass so much of our defense. It’s a defense that takes some effort to use too, you have to act like your clones or you’ll be easy to pick out.

Now, that’s not to say the tab targeting in this game can be quirky at times, if that’s more your concern, that sometimes it simply won’t target someone, and keeps skipping over them, then I agree with you. If you’ve found the Mesmer, and some quirk with tab targetting is picking clones on the outskirts of your FoV or off your screen, that needs to be looked at.

Why would you use tab targeting at all in PvP? 90% of what you get will include boars, deers, walls, gates, arrow carts, jagged horrors, and the obvious clone. Anyone who is half-way decent at PvP uses clicking because it’s the only way to reliably target someone in this e-sport game.

Umm this is like asking why you can’t target people in stealth or why attacks go on cool down when the target is immune/blocking. Its part of the classes defense. That simple.

Tab until there is a person without buffs/food/banner buffs. That’s what I do.

1. Find the real mesmer
2. Press ctrl+T to mark him
3.???
4. Profit

It even works when you aren’t in a group now.

You really have to wonder how difficult it is for people with focusing issues (actual medical issues on focusing on one thing at a time taking into consideration the attention span and their eyesight) to fight mesmers. Automatically the playstyle of a mesmer puts them at near invincibility against players such as this.

I don’t play a mesmer but I like the whole clone mechanic. I do have a question about the targeting system though. I get that I lose target when the mesmer goes stealth but sometimes I will just randomly jump target from mesmer to clone. Is this caused by some mesmer ability?

Also I don’t have any of the auto target option on, so I don’t think it’s from that end.

Waffler.1257:

Why would you use tab targeting at all in PvP? 90% of what you get will include boars, deers, walls, gates, arrow carts, jagged horrors, and the obvious clone. Anyone who is half-way decent at PvP uses clicking because it’s the only way to reliably target someone in this e-sport game.

Tab targeting has since been updated to target players over pets and npc’s, the one exception being clones.

Berengar.6951:

1. Find the real mesmer
2. Press ctrl+T to mark him

It even works when you aren’t in a group now.

Ohhhh…. I like this idea! Thank you.

I usually just tab until I get the real mez or click on him, but I’m going to do the marking now too! Thanks again!

The mark removes when he goes in stealth

Anyway, this just seems a lack of skill problem.

I’m not a fan of mesmer combat. It’s confusing and annoying, especially if you are meleeing the mesmer. They always find a way to pop out of stun/immobilize or use stealth to heal full again.

Well that is the point of the Mesmer. To be confusing

Sirendor.1394:

I’m not a fan of mesmer combat…

I think that is what it comes down to. I understand the mesmer defense through clones but there are certain game mechanics that simply arent fun to fight against. Stealth/invisibility is one. Mesmer clones are another. I can imagine mechanics like these are fun for those playing the class but for every enemy, theyre just annoying. I’ve played for long enough that I can find the real mesmer and kill him/her but it doesnt change the fact that they are not fun to fight.

I know, I can find the real mesmer most of the time: dodges, heals, backing away movement and such, but it’s sooo annoying to be kited all the time. With average players mesmers aren’t a problem and get killed easily, but with players who have played mesmer since start it’s a pain.

It is easy to see which of the toons is the real mesmer, but the limitations of the targeting system make it difficult to select them while in a live combat situation.

Losing the mouse pointer, having part of the battlefield obscured by particle effects, right-click targeting issues (still-yes I know about the setting), and the Black Water mesmer build (quite a bit of stealth) make it that much more difficult to target and maintain said target on your opponent, and even more so when fighting multiple BW mesmers that look similar, which is incredibly annoying and effective.

It’s simon says and wack a mole (the real game) all in one, wrapped in a package of bad mechanics..

Berengar.6951:

1. Find the real mesmer
2. Press ctrl+T to mark him
3. Mesmer stealth and leaves more clones..
4. ?

Fixed it.

It’s not like Mesmer’s are D/P thieves, popping in and out of stealth every 3 seconds. They can stealth 4 times and that’s using 2 utilities and an elite + a torch skill. It’s really not hard to find the real Mesmer again.

Lol. Nice troll OP.

I have more difficulty finding the mouse cursor than i do clicking on the mesmer, thus, i have a lot of trouble clicking on the mesmer, haha.

This thread is great.

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046:

It’s simon says and wack a mole (the real game) all in one, wrapped in a package of bad mechanics..

Wack a mole indeed. Just 2 hours ago there was an experienced mesmer constantly trying to disrupt our supply lines, so we had to chase him off each time. He never succeeded in killing a dolyak, let alone a player. After like 20 minutes of chasing the mesmer away continuously we decided to go for him. Bam, stealth. Blink. Stealth. Stealth. We had full swiftness and we managed to catch him, but then he tried to run away in the opposite direction again using stealth, but luckily we had our eyes open and managed to catch up again. We then resorted to one thing: popping every single immobilize skill, stun and ward we had. Managed to kill him at least.

The thing is, the mesmer itself was terrible, cause he never managed to get any kills, but we couldn’t kill him either. So basically he was only wasting his time and ours, though we did kill other people every 5 minutes who tried to take camps.

So you are claiming that the mesmer was terrible simply because he didn’t get any kills?
Clearly you guys would be even more terrible then seeing as you required several people and quite a bit of time.

Clearly he fulfilled his purpose. To drag you away from other places and waste your time. That would suggest he was actually a very good Mesmer rather than a terrible one.

Wise One.9321:

I don’t play a mesmer but I like the whole clone mechanic. I do have a question about the targeting system though. I get that I lose target when the mesmer goes stealth but sometimes I will just randomly jump target from mesmer to clone. Is this caused by some mesmer ability?

Also I don’t have any of the auto target option on, so I don’t think it’s from that end.

No, we can’t do anything about what you have targeted anymore than any other profession- that’s on you and the game.

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Wack a mole indeed. Just 2 hours ago there was an experienced mesmer constantly trying to disrupt our supply lines, so we had to chase him off each time. He never succeeded in killing a dolyak, let alone a player. After like 20 minutes of chasing the mesmer away continuously we decided to go for him. Bam, stealth. Blink. Stealth. Stealth. We had full swiftness and we managed to catch him, but then he tried to run away in the opposite direction again using stealth, but luckily we had our eyes open and managed to catch up again. We then resorted to one thing: popping every single immobilize skill, stun and ward we had. Managed to kill him at least.
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The brilliance of this Mesmer is you spent 20 minutes not defending, capping or guarding anything – just chasing him. I’d say he won even though he died in the end.

No matter how big, how small, how stealthy or multiplying… if you cc it THEN beat on it – It will Die.

Too many people go for Zerker gear with a billion Power and 300% crit chance instead of thinking tactically and having a balance of offensive and defensive skills on their gear and bar.

I don’t care how hard you hit, it all equals ~0~ if your dead or you can’t catch your target.

A warrior complaining about having trouble killing a Mesmer? Sounds like a L2P issue to me. I have no problem killing mesmers on my warrior. And I’ve never even played as a Mesmer, so its not like I even had to make one to learn how they work. I just find it easy to pick out the real one. Who cares if you have to click on them. Clones don’t dodge or have food buffs. It’s very easy to pick out the real one.

Why in the world mesmer clones still engaging moas, trees, pigs or any other target than the legit one, that is the real question.

lordkrall.7241:

Clearly he fulfilled his purpose. To drag you away from other places and waste your time. That would suggest he was actually a very good Mesmer rather than a terrible one.

Not really. He accomplished nothing because even if he kept us busy, we had scouts ready on strategical points, so nobody managed to surprise us. On top, we already had the whole borderland.

Sirendor.1394:

Not really. He accomplished nothing because even if he kept us busy, we had scouts ready on strategical points, so nobody managed to surprise us. On top, we already had the whole borderland.

And yet he still managed to keep you occupied for quite some time, instead of having you attack other maps and/or upgrading stuff. Which is most likely his plan all along.

The fact that you claim that he was a terrible mesmer after he owned you guys is quite silly.

1- Our upgrades were on their way already.
2- He didn’t get any kills.
3- If he was supposed to keep us occupied, why didn’t anyone from his server capture anything while he was doing just that?
4- He was a terrible mesmer because he invested everything in ‘being tanky’ and nothing in damage. Before we decided to kill him with a couple some of us fought him solo while he attacked dolyaks, and all he did was pop in stealth, pop out, throw some aoe, pop back in, run when he saw he was no match for us.
5- That’s what I describe as a bad mesmer, since that sort of player will never get a solo kill, especially if you are outhealing him without effort while he’s attacking you and the dolyak both.

Krall Bloodsword – Mesmer
Oh I see, you’re trying to defend your class. Bet you’re another of those fail mesmers.
There are a lot of good mesmers, but this runner clearly was not.

Why assume that the only way of being useful is to kill people?
Being able to survive and pull a group of enemy players away form other stuff is definitely a very valid and good tactic.

He is not playing to kill, he is playing to stall, which he quite clearly succeeded very well with. Well enough to get you to whine about him on the forums even.

I do not play mesmer in WvW, that is my PvE character.