Guild Wars 2

Yes. I know, “just buy the trait”. On some of my characters, I do try to go for the traits without buying them, partly to see which of them are simple/painful to get and just to see if I can do it, in some vain effort to be semi-decent at playing the game.

But after a few attempts at this one, I once again reiterate my statement that whoever decided the trait unlock requirements and level gating would’ve been fired if I’d had a choice in the matter. And I mean that for real.

This particular unlock is so awful, it should be an example of how NOT to do trait unlocks, second only to the adept trait unlock that required 100%ing Frostgorge…which doesn’t exist anymore, (thank whatever deities you worship) but also should’ve never been done in the first place.

First, it’s in WvW. That’s already a bad sign. WvW should either have it’s own special requirements for unlocking these traits, or not at all.

Secondly, it’s a boss that is only reliably accessible from one side on the map (Blue’s corner) Anyone from any other side has to run all the way there without getting spotted or ganked first…which almost never happens.

Finally, even if you do reach the boss, you then have to hope beyond reasonable hope that no one comes over to ruin your attempt. And of course, the one time I have managed to reach it so far, that happened almost as soon as I tried to fight it. Because of course, WvWer’s are nearly all bungholes.

So, good job on finding a way to make me hate WvW even more than I already did. I miss when they could just improve the game without breaking anything.

Nilkemia.8507:

And of course, the one time I have managed to reach it so far, that happened almost as soon as I tried to fight it. Because of course, WvWer’s are nearly all bungholes.

Don’t come in here blaming us en masse for playing our chosen game mode as intended, please. You’re in WvW. Don’t expect any favors from enemy servers.

The whole trait unlocking system is silly. That said, which you’ve said yourself, you can just buy them with skill points. So, just do that and you won’t have to worry about WvWers killing you or dealing with the grub.

The one time I have killed the Grub, it took at least twenty people half an hour to kill it. Granted, we weren’t organized by any means, and at one point we actually had an opposing server come to help out on it. It still took absolutely forever to kill the darn thing.

There’s a reason why it never gets done. I did it back around the second month of the game’s lifetime.

Furthermore, you should be thankful to the people who prevented you killing the grub for they were merely preventing you from sinning by breaking the 21st WvW Holy Commandment:

21) Thou shall not kill the holy grub.

I used to lure it to the nearby tower and have it killed by the enemy server or watch it break down the gate. takes a lot of time and luck to pull it off though…

Tiffany.8576:

Nilkemia.8507:

And of course, the one time I have managed to reach it so far, that happened almost as soon as I tried to fight it. Because of course, WvWer’s are nearly all bungholes.

Don’t come in here blaming us en masse for playing our chosen game mode as intended, please. You’re in WvW. Don’t expect any favors from enemy servers.

There’s being a WvW’er and just being a bunghole. Sure, the times I got killed on the way, they probably thought I was trying to cap something to go after something they didn’t want to be taken. But when I got to the Grub and another player was there, I tried to make it clear that I was just there to fight it, and didn’t attack them. That zerg surely noticed too, and they clearly didn’t care for any reason but to be scumbags. It’s part of why WvW is, and always will be, the worst mode in the game.

Tiffany.8576:

Furthermore, you should be thankful to the people who prevented you killing the grub for they were merely preventing you from sinning by breaking the 21st WvW Holy Commandment:

21) Thou shall not kill the holy grub.

Holy commandments? I think that’s worthy of yet another reason WvW is garbage. And unless there’s one about not killing players who are just minding their own business (doubtful), then I don’t care.

And yes, I know you can buy the trait. But when that’s pretty much the only option because the other is flat out nigh-impossible on your own, well…that’s horrendous design. Again, whoever chose this particular one deserved to be fired.

People complain about having to come to WvW to unlock traits. People from WvW complain about having to go to PvE to unlock traits. Heaven forbid you interact with other people to help you unlock a trait against a boss that requires a fair number of people to kill. LOL.

So because a portion of content on the game isn’t able to be completed solo, someone should lose their job so you can sleep better at night. If this isn’t the epitome of QQ from not being able to faceroll and already easymode game, I don’t know what is.

I.E. Deal with it, because there are far more pressing matters that need attention.

I would like to commend and give cookies to both the Arenanet dev and OP for making us all smile, because:

- The dev did put in this ridiculous requirement for a trait unlock that can also be bought for a few gold, and
- then someone actually wants to do it, and then
- complains on the WvW forum that it is hard

I mean ROFLMAO! Thank you both!

A bit more seriously, if you – or others – want to achieve anything in WvW, first realise that it is DANGEROUS. The NPC at Fort Mariner means it when he is saying “Who’s ready for a real fight? The kind that hardens your whiskers”. Most NPC’s talk in hyperbole, but this one is saying the truth.

It is also good to remember that in WvW red = dead, but greens are you friends. WvW is actually one of the most friendly and cooperative area’s in Tyria. If you want to get that achievement, you have to learn how wvw works. Try to work with your server, following the commander (the coloured dorito on the minimap). You can ask in mapchat to take te Grub when you are near. Of course this all works better if your server is actually blue.

And about the enemies that killed you at the Grub: Please do not hold it agains them. It is really not realistic to expect them to deduct that you actually wanted to kill the Grub.

Styles.7469:

People complain about having to come to WvW to unlock traits. People from WvW complain about having to go to PvE to unlock traits. Heaven forbid you interact with other people to help you unlock a trait against a boss that requires a fair number of people to kill. LOL.

And those complaints have validity to them. I already suggested that WvW should have it’s own set of trait unlocks, so they wouldn’t have to buy them all if they didn’t want to PvE.

And for your information, I did try to get help in map chat and interacting with people. Only response I got was to just buy the trait or wait till we’re in Blue’s corner. Other that that, one person did try to help me out, which only made me feel worse for dragging them to pointless death after pointless death. So don’t even suggest I didn’t try.

So because a portion of content on the game isn’t able to be completed solo, someone should lose their job so you can sleep better at night. If this isn’t the epitome of QQ from not being able to faceroll and already easymode game, I don’t know what is.

A portion?

-The end of the Personal Story.
-Most group events.
-Dungeons.
-PvP, understandably so.
-WvW, mainly for bad reasons.

While not seeming like much, that adds up to about half the game, if not more. More troublesome since some of the better skins in the game are behind some of that content. Who’d rather be stuck with transmuted crafted exotic gear than dungeon armor?

In any case, trait unlocks should’ve been something the player could accomplish on their own through their own skill and know-how of the game. But quite a few of the later ones utterly disregard that for being locked behind world bosses or requiring story mode runs of dungeons. I’m glad that there’s a option to buy them, but when that’s pretty much the only good way to do it, there’s a problem.

And yes, whoever did this should’ve been fired or kicked to some department where they can’t make stupid changes like this, and replaced with someone who’ll actually try to improve the game, or at least not do stupid decisions. Sadly…it seems that’s not ArenaNet’s top priority anymore.

I.E. Deal with it, because there are far more pressing matters that need attention.

Feel free to specify on these “far more pressing matters”.

Some that come to mind, to me anyway:

-The Living Story being an inadequate replacement for an expansion’s worth of content.

- The late game Personal story getting wrecked and out of order.

-PvP and WvW not having a lot a decent maps.

- The April 2014 Trait change and the September Feature Pack’s level gating changes making leveling utterly tedious.

-Dungeons and PvP being either bad or just annoying, only worth running for the rewards.

WvW being the same as the above one, except in this case even the rewards aren’t really worth running it.

The game has so much potential that’s either wasted or used wrong…

The complaints have no validity. It’s crying and whining because you can’t faceroll the game more. It’s the same problem people that don’t do WvW always kitten about. So next time, since you’re so awesome, maybe take people from your guild to the grub.

=O

Omfg, or maybe use the LFG system to put together a group! kitten …two ideas right out of the gate that offer a solution and put an end to your need to QQ more.

Now then about the “a portion”

It’s guild wars, idiot. Not Solo Wars. Enough said. You’re stupid for suggesting major parts of the game that provide character development should be done solo in an MMO. So no, there’s no problem when the other option you have is to buy the traits; the trait purchase option was actually put into effect for people like the hardcore WvWers who don’t set foot into PvE land. Not there for some scrubby kid to cry about it being the “only other way and that’s a problem!” Go throw a temper tantrum elsewhere.

So being fired? No, you’re stupid, that’s stupid, and the basis behind your complaint is stupid. Seeing a pattern?

Do I agree with the new trait unlock system? Not necessarily, if only because players that had accounts created before the change should have been grandfathered in, but that’s a different complaint altogether.

The Living Story is not a pressing matter. Obviously you don’t read the update notes, watch the streams for the updates, or read the other forums, so you decided to come here and cry about something and expected not to get flamed. Jumping into the fire will set you alight, you’re not special…well…maybe you are

Your idea of pressing matters are still very far off. Perhaps read other forum threads on what WvWers consider more pressing matters, because the Grub is not one of them, and Anet hasn’t got the time to continue catering to you crybaby PvEers that constantly want your game changed to suit every little need you have while they continuously ignore the remainder of the game.

Dungeons are supposed to be run for the rewards. That’s the kittening point of dungeons, LOL! There’s not a whole lot wrong with the dungeons, it’s just that they’ve been ut for so long and we’ve hardly seen any noticable changes made to them that they’ve become stale.

So your idea of potential, wasted or otherwise, is entirely PvE centric, which already receives enough attention.

Next time, post this stupid bullkitten in the PvE forums where other fk bois like you can keep crying to make yourselves feel better.

Nilkemia.8507:

How about no? I don’t even like WvW and I can see that this idea is utterly stupid. Why remove/restrict the only semi-decent map among the WvW maps?

You think EotM is the only semi-decent map. Any arguement you make here is invalid.

Right…it’s clear to me you’re either a troll or a hypocrite. I’m done feeding you.

People like you are why WvW is the worst mode in the entire game, and always will be.

I’m not sure on what server are you, and I can obviously not tell what kind of situation you have. When I needed this for my 2 alts, on my server I just had to wait to be blue. Then I killed it with my gf. Grub doesn’t require big zerg, you can do it easily with 2 players. (if u don’t get interrupted by enemy players)

Luv this thead, hav many lol’s

I do agree with the op, the grub unlock is dumb. Every time i see something like this in game i ask myself… if i was in charge would i do the same?

Yes!

Cause its fun to troll! The grub only exists to troll you all.

Also even if we know for certain you are there to kill the grub and swear to behave we will still kill you. Its nothing personal, its just we were lead to believe you are concealing delicious bags and we want them.

Synosius.9876:

Luv this thead, hav many lol’s

Also even if we know for certain you are there to kill the grub and swear to behave we will still kill you. Its nothing personal, its just we were lead to believe you are concealing delicious bags and we want them.

And is it also important to educate new players about the dangers of being next to an enemy keep without backup

I understand the frustraition of the trait unlock system. I wanted to pve a bit and needed a trait. Says go kill ooze in barbarous shores? I get there and only event is kill champ spider. Well lol I guess I solo champ. Kill it and keep killing stuff for 20min and no ooze. Go to wiki and it says only spider or ooze can spawn at a time. This was for an adept trait. Needless to say I go to wvw and buy it. Logon next day and the ooze is standing on top of me…

Its not that people don’t know why its frustaiting, they are not stupid. They just think its not worth complaining about.

Nilkemia.8507:

Right…it’s clear to me you’re either a troll or a hypocrite. I’m done feeding you.

People like you are why WvW is the worst mode in the entire game, and always will be.

You don’t know what a troll is and you don’t know what hypocrisy is either.

You’re a whiny PvE brat. You are a scrub player that wants everything spoon fed to him on an easy game that’s already been nerfed hard enough to make it as casual as kittening angry birds.

Here’s some advice: Deal with it. Take your kitten complaint to the PvE forums and stay the kitten out of the WvW forums, fk boi.

Another deathknell in the now infamous “manifesto”.

Yeah this is the most bizarre trait requirement. No-one wants to kill the wurm – it has nothing to do with WvW, it takes a long time and it kittenes off the serious WvW players. ArenaNet recently temp banned a player being “toxic” towards maize farmers – the existence of the Overgrown Grub is toxic towards EB. If I want a champ farm I’ll go to PvE.

Please remove this trait from WvW, this is a silly requirement.

I agree with everyone, it should be removed, should be changed to ‘Capture Stonemist Castle’, or something that people actually do in WvW, nobody goes after this grub anymore. No such thing as karma trains in EB since EotM was created.

All this fuss for one skill, just unlock everything else and buy that one.

Personally I think that the new trait system really sucks but it isn’t going to change any time soon. I just by pass the entire experience and buy them so I don’t have to do all these annoying little things.

If you’re in a guild, you could also maybe try getting your guild together for a “raid” into EBG to kill the Grub. (Subject obviously to things like queues.)

Man this PVE player is toxic as hell, coming onto the WvW forum calling us bungholes for actually wanting to play the game mode. You know, actually PvPing

To me this is great, watching someone come to WvW then complain they can’t PvE…
(refer to signature)

Hey, look, another entitlement thread! Awesome!

Maureen Adaal.3412:

I would like to commend and give cookies to both the Arenanet dev and OP for making us all smile, because:

- The dev did put in this ridiculous requirement for a trait unlock that can also be bought for a few gold, and
- then someone actually wants to do it, and then
- complains on the WvW forum that it is hard

I mean ROFLMAO! Thank you both!

A bit more seriously, if you – or others – want to achieve anything in WvW, first realise that it is DANGEROUS. The NPC at Fort Mariner means it when he is saying “Who’s ready for a real fight? The kind that hardens your whiskers”. Most NPC’s talk in hyperbole, but this one is saying the truth.

It is also good to remember that in WvW red = dead, but greens are you friends. WvW is actually one of the most friendly and cooperative area’s in Tyria. If you want to get that achievement, you have to learn how wvw works. Try to work with your server, following the commander (the coloured dorito on the minimap). You can ask in mapchat to take te Grub when you are near. Of course this all works better if your server is actually blue.

And about the enemies that killed you at the Grub: Please do not hold it agains them. It is really not realistic to expect them to deduct that you actually wanted to kill the Grub.

This guy gets it.

Trololollol lollolololllolololll
Btw grub is truly the second trollest thing in wvw

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

The one time I have killed the Grub, it took at least twenty people half an hour to kill it.

How the heck? I mean, i was bored one day and i soloed it on my roaming condi thief. Took maybe 10-15 minutes.
That thing must have really horrible scaling.

Nilkemia.8507:

First, it’s in WvW. That’s already a bad sign. WvW should either have it’s own special requirements for unlocking these traits, or not at all.

I was with you until the “or not at all” bit. If I have to PvE for some traits (i.e. most of them) or pay gold, it’s only fair that PvErs have to WvW or pay up for some of theirs.

That said, it would be vastly preferable if there were separate lines of acquisition for PvE/WvW so people could choose rather than being forced to buy the traits with gold and skillpoints.

About this specific unlock, though…I did this not too long ago during a guild raid (on a character I didn’t actually need the unlock on; go figure), and it wasn’t too bad. Blue was mortaring us the whole time, but with the 20 or so people we had with us, they left us alone otherwise. It took ~15-20 minutes to kill iirc. I do wish they’d nerf the scaling on it so it wasn’t such a chore to kill, but I don’t disagree with having trait unlocks in WvW.

Tseikk.9032:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

The one time I have killed the Grub, it took at least twenty people half an hour to kill it.

How the heck? I mean, i was bored one day and i soloed it on my roaming condi thief. Took maybe 10-15 minutes.
That thing must have really horrible scaling.

They may have changed the scaling from what it was, but it seems to me that at launch, it scaled 2-3 times faster than bosses currently do. I can’t speak for now, though, because I haven’t tried it since.

Julie Yann.5379:

All this fuss for one skill, just unlock everything else and buy that one.

Personally I think that the new trait system really sucks but it isn’t going to change any time soon. I just by pass the entire experience and buy them so I don’t have to do all these annoying little things.

I agree this new system sucks.

Whats funny, is that it was perfect before, but they wanted to waste time fixing something that’s not broken rather than doing other things.

How do you guys feel about developers time being invested in something that was perfectly fine the way it is, instead of using that time to do something else, more useful?

An example of something useful would be, templates as in switching gear and traits with a click of a button, go from 1v1 mode to sprint mode to zerg mode all in a single click and no hassle of going into inventory and moving stuff around.

But don’t worry PvE and WvW’ers who suffer from it, they did similar thing to PvP. Perfectly glory system, revamped so many times and then eventually deleted. All that time wasted on stuff that’s working as intended.

Y’all know that it’s legit faster to solo the grub than to kill it with a zerg… right?

that moving kitten scales so hard so fast…. Having soloed the grub and killed it with zergs I can say with experience that it dies faster when you attack it alone.

You’ve also made some strong generalizations about WvW players, just because your enemies treat you like an NPC mob. get gud plz