Guild Wars 2

Hey,

A quick warning for the HC WvW players out there:

Some people lack common knowledge.. so I will spell it out for you all.
WvW has a lack of players at the moment because obviously there is a brand new game out. People are trying out the masteries, There is a halloween event..

So like Taylor swift said: Haters gonna hate XD

The new maps are pretty big, so when you’re playing on your own or with a small group with little to few enemies.. it’s not going to be fun! Go and explore the map, and in a couple of weeks it will start to pick up again.

So stop spreading the hate please… there is no need, i took a look at the new maps and they tackled a lot of issues people have moaned about without telling you, so if you’re still not happy, you never will.

Finally someone who speaks sense!

BlackDeath.4398:

Some people lack common knowledge.. so I will spell it out for you all. WvW has a lack of players at the moment because obviously there is a brand new game out. People are trying out the masteries, There is a halloween event..

WvW has lacked players for a long time now. Yes it’s worse than it has been due to events and new pve content but this isn’t a short term problem that’s going away after the events are over and the content has been around for a few weeks.

it’s not about hate spreading… The central event has nothing to do with the map, but it’s a bad mechanism…
Same for the auto upgrade and the homemap full ennemy T3 at the morning if you don’t have night crew.
Same as auto upgrade without supply and no WP on the keep who made those keep useless…

This has nothing to do with the map, it’s broken game mechanism…

And it’s not hate, it’s not different play style we have to learn. It’s fact that this is not good for the off peak time. It’s not always prime time with full map…

I play on Whiteside Ridge Tier 8 server clased as medium pop but we all know it’s low pop but improving over this past few month, the new autoupgrades hold back blobs and makes it harder to K train. We have around 3 bigger main wvw guilds holding it down along with the reset of the community and for us it’s a huge advancement, we don’t have to worry about upgrading and running supps blah blah for upgrading as previously it took away much needed mapower.

In terms of the nightcap everything going to T3 EVERYTHING WILL TURN T3 AT SOME POINT IN THE DAY there’s gona be times each day that things will be left un touched, even in the biggestservers dealwith it.

The new map is kitten awesome and helps low pop servers.

Aye, it’s a kitten for people who’ve been so used to the old BL’s and suddenly these kittens start pulling up.
I’ll be honest with ya, Spike, I hated the BL’s. All the Asura – style thing don’t match my tongues textures + lots of the fights now are about chokes and all….well “more” choke -point – figthing.
Yet, with a good Guild, like [KISS], I kind of started to like it a bit more. guess it all goes around the groups u follow with.

Kittin to the top ^ was jking about [KISS] no rage plz…..just “Shake it Off” as taylor swift says

Kanebrake.6192:

BlackDeath.4398:

Some people lack common knowledge.. so I will spell it out for you all. WvW has a lack of players at the moment because obviously there is a brand new game out. People are trying out the masteries, There is a halloween event..

WvW has lacked players for a long time now. Yes it’s worse than it has been due to events and new pve content but this isn’t a short term problem that’s going away after the events are over and the content has been around for a few weeks.

Right now our servers borderlands are empty, people are blaming the maps for it, that is the issue… normally you get plenty of guild raids, open raids etc, but we don’t cos ppl r playing other content.

I am not saying 100% is ok, but there has been thoughts into the new system that can help with off peak coverage. People don’t like change, so they will always complain.
For example if there is an event somewhere that has nothing to do with the map…. same kitten in old home border, always events in the top corners.

But i am not going to discuss what people like/dislike, these are the maps.
Just be patient and go and play with your guild in a couple of weeks, then learn the maps because you will be playing them for a while or not at all. I don’t believe people are giving it a good chance right now because they are playing with small groups against virtually no enemies or a massive blob checking out the map.

Xaurniven.2065:

Kittin to the top ^ was jking about [KISS] no rage plz…..just “Shake it Off” as taylor swift says

Haha, shake it off dances

xXBAKESXx.6731:

The new map is kitten awesome and helps low pop servers.

We don’t need more pve and automated thing because there is no player on the map.
We need to close at least 33% of the server to have more people online on the same map to play the game.

Sich.7103:

xXBAKESXx.6731:

The new map is kitten awesome and helps low pop servers.

We don’t need more pve and automated thing because there is no player on the map.
We need to close at least 33% of the server to have more people online on the same map to play the game.

They won’t so stop hoping lol, lower tier servers had this issue, i know from experience in silver we have the same issue, coverage wars, it’s now easier to keep stuff with less players. So it helps us as a skilled server to play better against the unskilled 24/7 blob coverage wars servers.

we will all have to adjust, it could also go the other way.. have an enemy get all T3 in your border for free at night, but we will see. Happy days!

Maybe WvW lack players cause we got no good new content. No new masteries, no build templates, no WvW skins, no auto loot. I mean, how hard is it to give wvw’ers auto loot in their WvW masteries? I had to bore myself with PvE in order to get auto loot which turned out to not be working in WvW. So yea, i can understand why WvW’ers are kittened. Almost no people wanted those new big gimicky PvE maps. They look pretty, but they has to work to.

Thx for spelling out you knowledge thoug. What should we have done without you?

Timelord.8190:

Maybe WvW lack players cause we got no good new content. No new masteries, no build templates, no WvW skins, no auto loot. I mean, how hard is it to give wvw’ers auto loot in their WvW masteries? I had to bore myself with PvE in order to get auto loot which turned out to not be working in WvW. So yea, i can understand why WvW’ers are kittened.

Thx for spelling out you knowledge thoug. What should we have done without you?

WvW is not about rewards, it’s about the experience and overall game mode of mass conquest/ppt/warlike fights, rewards are a side track, WvW players have been begging for new and variety this maps gives us it. As soon as we get what we want people get mad as they think it’s another EotM map, newsflash, it’s not.

Go into the map and play for 3+ hours alone or with a group, you’ll eat your words, oh and check out the new pve content even I’m enjoying it as previously a pure WvWer

xXBAKESXx.6731:

As soon as we get what we want

I did not get what I wanted, what kind of “we” are you talking about?
I wanted a pve-less, easy-to-travel around map without “fun to fight” npcs and ledges.

There is no reason why WvW shouldn’t be rewarding! And alot of people didn’t actually get what they wanted with the new maps.

Just adapt and embrace the change.

Here are some tips on how to proceed in wvw ^^

“Finally someone who speaks sense!”

xXBAKESXx.6731:

Just adapt and embrace the change.

Or just leave the game and play something else and don’t give any more money to anet… This is probably what I will do if there is no change in this new map.

I’m not playing the PvE content, The reason I’m not on the new map is because it is so awful I’ve lost interest in the game. I went from playing 5ish hours a night to logging in just to grab the daily reward.

I’ll likely get on to PvP from time to time, but roaming the bl’s is what kept me playing the game. If they leave this ridiculous dungeon map in place of the bl’s I’ll likely end up quitting all together.

Ok please can I have your leftover siege if you’re leaving because of new content

As much i loved the new bl and it feels it as alot room for improvements, i can not go to WvW, becouse im at huge disadvantage since i dont like the new specs and how Anet manages the class balance well Anet is worst company at game balance… my battle atm is trying not to reisntall gw2 since i shall not buy HoT.

Anet player segragation project as started. GG they will love the new Skritt age.

Aeolus.3615:

As much i loved the new bl and it feels it as alot room for improvements, i can not go to WvW, becouse im at huge disadvantage since i dont like the new specs and how Anet manages the class balance well Anet is worst company at game balance… my battle atm is trying not to reisntall gw2 since i shall not buy HoT.

Get good and learn to beat the new specs, plus hardly anyone the mfull or is any good at playing them in wvw lol.

xXBAKESXx.6731:

Aeolus.3615:

As much i loved the new bl and it feels it as alot room for improvements, i can not go to WvW, becouse im at huge disadvantage since i dont like the new specs and how Anet manages the class balance well Anet is worst company at game balance… my battle atm is trying not to reisntall gw2 since i shall not buy HoT.

Get good and learn to beat the new specs, plus hardly anyone the mfull or is any good at playing them in wvw lol.

What was explained to me, when i asked a friend help to understand some builds was not nice to see how cheesy this new spec can be….

And i cant addapt when i made the idea that this game is a joke in balance due comercial ideas…! My engie is on my pvp account only, i dont have HoT so i will miss the new condi gear and be at huge disadvantage for sure and will miss the new strong stuff, my pvx account only has 1 lvl 80 guardian, since i only have a mace/shield guard atm, i hate to play GS and use traited shouts and meditations (even this build got a very good nerfed with the 23 jully patch, where i could old 1 DD ele for quite some time before the, the match would be stettled who ever had faster team arrival, still i would loose if i bork skill timings and that is ok ).

Sometimes is not a open your eyes nor this is resistance to change, but i dont agree with the model where Anet forces to play in certain way, where most of the armor stats are useless and utilities are designed as bad build, how can a game that has just a few skill per class by just choosing the wrong trait line if u try to tune the play how u want, by just selecting wong armor(still being tunned to use with the actual selected traitline) makes players at huge disadvantage against players that go for what Anet makes strong in hope to grab players attention to stay? It is not even a matter of roles/strategies involved in the team, they will just not work.

If Anet deleted almost all of the armor stats existent game would not change and we would see good builds everywhere, same goes with the weapon selected.

I dont do pve either, only thing i ever farmed was the new armor from silverwastes,

I did play cheesy builds, but that is the class carying me all over the place (i try not to play that way so im a bad player) i went from gw1 to gw2 because i tough would be just like they said, it is not, “propaganda at its best”.

My unhappiness with the game is more for the loss of game QoL overall, i am not a skritt as the other players i do like well made overall games not games that relly on pretty graphics.

IF i had precursors i would denitly offer them, it would not be the first time i would do it.

./peace

lol. lol.
lol.

xXBAKESXx.6731:

Ok please can I have your leftover siege if you’re leaving because of new content

No because zerglings are supposed to build the siege the commander drops for them, I don’t want you throwing your own and screwing up the supply count.

Puck.9612:

xXBAKESXx.6731:

Ok please can I have your leftover siege if you’re leaving because of new content

No because zerglings are supposed to build the siege the commander drops for them, I don’t want you throwing your own and screwing up the supply count.

sure thing bae, i build what i want

xXBAKESXx.6731:

Puck.9612:

xXBAKESXx.6731:

Ok please can I have your leftover siege if you’re leaving because of new content

No because zerglings are supposed to build the siege the commander drops for them, I don’t want you throwing your own and screwing up the supply count.

sure thing bae, i build what i want

And that’s why I won’t give you your own siege to play with.

xXBAKESXx.6731:

lol. lol.
lol.

The thing is i don’t like when im forced to buy an expansion… not having the new cool stuff is one thing not being at pair with the specs it a bit weird.

I migh be to carried a bit by hate to the game atm i dont have problems to admit it, but also i dont have afraid to hide my opinions to, the only class i like to play on WVW feels way to underwhelming atm against the new specs even, so i migh give some time to mettas settle down.

Remmember DD was only nerfed when they started to apear at tournaments, before that everyone said there were balanced when some one tried to say they had a bit to much.

Aeolus.3615:

xXBAKESXx.6731:

lol. lol.
lol.

The thing is i don’t like when im forced to buy an expansion… not having the new cool stuff is one thing not being at pair with the specs it a bit weird.

I migh be to carried a bit by hate to the game atm i dont have problems to admit it, but also i dont have afraid to hide my opinions to, the only class i like to play on WVW feels way to underwhelming atm against the new specs even, so i migh give some time to mettas settle down.

Remmember DD was only nerfed when they started to apear at tournaments, before that everyone said there were balanced when some one tried to say they had a bit to much.

Put it this way, if ya knuckle down and get on with your stuff in game practice practice practice focus on the good, play new stuff more and more until it’s second nature like the old maps and the new is every day mcfun you’ll easily be alot stronger in game and enjoy it again. It was worse when they did that initial build change a few months back and wvw become necromancer land for the first few days lmao

So let’s see: wvw gets shiny new maps, and the reason people would rather do other things than play in them is because there are other things to do?

You would have thought people would have rushed to see the maps in all their glory and be dead keen on playing them to the exclusion of anything else ‘elites? nah, this map is so awesome I’ll stay here and do the pve grind some other time!’. Not heard a single person say that.

Quite clear from over here in the real world that the maps have failed to excite either the hard core wvw ‘rs or the casual ones, and they might return to them when they ’can be bothered’. that doesn’t say much for increased participation in wvw, when even the hard core aren’t playing.

And Bakes seems to think if we grind grind grind and force ourselves to play on the new map enough we might start to like it? Sounds like Stockholm Syndrome to me…

People are trying out the masteries

Also, grinding them out, since the game decided to make WvW’ers jump through all those hoops. Considering I have now seen people with the elites active in wvw, that’s definitely what they were doing.

I just think it’s hilarious that people really argue with a straight face that the reason the new maps are vacant is because veteran WvW players are in PvE.

One main reason I don’t wanna play even in EB anymore are the totally automatic and way too fast upgrades.

Thing is that after capping something no one has to invest time (or materials/gold) to upgrade the objective. You just leave it there and in our tier usually end up having fortifications up in no time – with no effort.

I agree that it was good plan to get rid of the gold in upgrades, but I disagree that it was good idea to automate the process. People should be involved in strategic decisions related to supply management and be manually starting upgrades like before. It may be hard to believe but some people actually liked doing this and made them feel being important part of the their realms WvW community.

…and I defend any tower with pleasure when I know that people have actually invested time and effort to upgrade it.

edit:
Also no objective should upgrade without supply. Protecting/denying camps/yaks was big part of WvW strategy and should be in future also. Escorting yaks is now easier, which was one of the good things of the expansion, but every yak should count @ the destination like b4.

dont worry after ppl done grinding out HOT, new mastery and new legendary weapon will come out for more grinding

This too: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/PSA-Masteries-unlock-account-wide

msalakka.4653:

I just think it’s hilarious that people really argue with a straight face that the reason the new maps are vacant is because veteran WvW players are in PvE.

All the dedicated (and by dedicated I mean 8-12 hours/day WvW guys) in my friends list are all out getting their elites in pve-land. About 50+ so far. And they’re usually in map every day, all day, seven days a week.

Hold up…auto loot doesn’t work in WvW when you get the mastery? is that intended or a bug?

mastery don’t work in wvw, it’s a pve stuff…. Funny to see those dedicated wvw guy grinding for pve only stuff…

The current PvE system will take away a huge chunk of PvX players’ play time.
WvW simply doesn’t contribute to their progression at the moment.

ANet needs to add in more incentives for ppl to try WvW.

BlackDeath.4398:

Hey,

A quick warning for the HC WvW players out there:

Some people lack common knowledge.. so I will spell it out for you all.
WvW has a lack of players at the moment because obviously there is a brand new game out. People are trying out the masteries, There is a halloween event..

So like Taylor swift said: Haters gonna hate XD

The new maps are pretty big, so when you’re playing on your own or with a small group with little to few enemies.. it’s not going to be fun! Go and explore the map, and in a couple of weeks it will start to pick up again.

So stop spreading the hate please… there is no need, i took a look at the new maps and they tackled a lot of issues people have moaned about without telling you, so if you’re still not happy, you never will.

honestly, there should be more people angry. experience earned in wvw doesn’t even go to the one place it should: masteries. it literally just..vanishes. I spent two hours in EOTM yesterday thinking i was leveling up my masteries, yeah no. didn’t happen. the exp may as well have not been earned. that makes me quite irritated.

‘Dedicated’ players don’t have much to do anymore, it’s all automatic, so why bother?
The only thing to do is get lost in the map currently, it feels so much more soul-less compared to Verdant Brink; which isn’t comparable I know, but as a WvW map it fails to have much flow to it, it feels like they mixed a bit of EoTM and PVE, rather than it being a WvW/PvP map.

I miss the old map, no doubt about it. Simplicity is always nice.

I do, however, enjoy this new map as well. It looks more like a battlefield, even though the desert scenery makes me sleepy due to how dull it looks. The fortresses is structured in an interesting way, which makes me wonder how fun it might be for two large groups to bash each other heads off at “old bay”… whatever it is called now.

My problem is this. 4 of us tried to jump one chronomancer… that guy held off for a long while! Stun, fear me, bolas… none of them worked on him! What the hell is this?! After one shield bash that finally stun him successfully, we managed to kill him… -_- such BS

I think this expansion is a huge blow for the wvw community!

For me, wvw was and is the best part of this game! I checked out the new pve maps and they bored and frustrated me… Horrible!

But over in wvw my progress in getting masteries or hero points is the slowest! I feel forced into pve! I don`t like that! And I’m not gonna do it.

Also, the auto upgrade in wvw takes away one a the few remaining role play elements. Some people really enjoyed just upgrading things! That´s gone now…

All in all Anet should try and make good on wvw/spvp players! These are the best parts of this game. Don`t let them die!

WvW consist of huge amount of PvX players, pure wvw players have to get a reality check when come to numbers because reality is, at least half of what you usually see in WvW will be gone.

BlackDeath.4398:

Hey,

A quick warning for the HC WvW players out there:

Some people lack common knowledge.. so I will spell it out for you all.
WvW has a lack of players at the moment because obviously there is a brand new game out. People are trying out the masteries, There is a halloween event..

So like Taylor swift said: Haters gonna hate XD

The new maps are pretty big, so when you’re playing on your own or with a small group with little to few enemies.. it’s not going to be fun! Go and explore the map, and in a couple of weeks it will start to pick up again.

So stop spreading the hate please… there is no need, i took a look at the new maps and they tackled a lot of issues people have moaned about without telling you, so if you’re still not happy, you never will.

I will screenshot this and post it in a few weeks to you. Also with over 6000 hours played in wvw, i am pretty sure i know what i want, what the regular wvw players and my comunity wants. And it is not what you are saying.
My friendslist tells me whats going on. My comunity forum tells me whats going on, my guild tells me whats going on, the enemies we usually meet tells me whats going on. They alls have the same opinion. The new border is pretty but have big issues. This concern was adressed properly in the first beta, and all the others after that. Nothing changed. Now it is live, and we can wait as you sugest, but what wvw was a month back with raiding guilds, lots of big and small fights on every border every were, is not coming back, unless anet realise this and make a fast change. They do not have to remove the map, but they need to change it, make is smaller, remove the huge pve factor on it and give us a better flow for movements so that we can make good fights.

SkyShroud.2865:

WvW consist of huge amount of PvX players, pure wvw players have to get a reality check when come to numbers because reality is, at least half of what you usually see in WvW will be gone.

And when that at least half players return to WvW, they will quickly get bored and leave because the others got bored and left due to them leaving in the first place.

Thats why the stable WvW players are far more important to the longevity of WvW than the transient PvX majority… And Anet has an alarming trend of consistently ignoring them.

Tbh, If Anet want to go down this road I only see an EoTM style WvW setup in the future, all instanced. Maybe thats what they want. WvW after all is the only server based remnant left and probably costly to run.

New contents siphon wvw playrs. But no reason to go back after you finished

Gotchaz.7865:

Hold up…auto loot doesn’t work in WvW when you get the mastery? is that intended or a bug?

Yes and it is intended can read it in this thread:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/The-new-auto-loot-doesen-t-work-in-WvW

The multi tier nature of these maps makes it extremely difficult to navigate, the map is too large to find groups and most people who are raiding be it in a guild or just pugging will die a few times due to the terrain, i fore one did not enjoy having to go all the accross the map afteri died to falling coz an updraft vent didn’t want to cooperate, i then got ganked so i think i spent about 10 minutes or morew trying to get back to my guild raid, several others got fed up and left before me so i can see alot of guilds just not bothering anymore.

Not heard one good thing about the maps apart from they are pretty, it’s reinforcing the stand offs at chokes which were becoming boring on the old maps already what with the pirate ship meta and all.

I honestly don’t think WvW is gonna bounce back beyond the 4 largest populated severs, even low gold will be become a ghost town outside of the 2 hour primtime. Only worth while place going is EB now as there’s not much point trying to hold points in borderlands.

And it’s a shame coz the maps on paper are a really nice idea, just too kitten big and a pain in the kitten to navigate, not “harder” just bloody awkward when they don’t need to be.

Jayne.9251:

This too: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/PSA-Masteries-unlock-account-wide

msalakka.4653:

I just think it’s hilarious that people really argue with a straight face that the reason the new maps are vacant is because veteran WvW players are in PvE.

All the dedicated (and by dedicated I mean 8-12 hours/day WvW guys) in my friends list are all out getting their elites in pve-land. About 50+ so far. And they’re usually in map every day, all day, seven days a week.

Those aren’t ‘dedicated’ , they are addicted. Also probably unemployed…