Guild Wars 2

Ignoring the problem doesnt make it go away. This topic REQUIRES a developer response containing real information and not a generic PR statement that contains no actual concern for the problem, but a condemnation of people posting about problems.

Its saturday, should be the most popular day to play of the week. However, see photo. This isnt because other servers are bad. This isnt other servers losing open field fights and proceeding to lose keeps etc. Its purely numbers.

Fix it Anet. Its not anyones fault, I dont blame a server for having numbers, power to them. However, others should not suffer as much as this.

There is a gigantic problem, any plans to fix? Honestly, there should be only two tiers. T1 and T2. Merge all lower tier servers to t2 or t1. We need the people. People from lower tiers might claim to love their small roaming servers but in actuallity most dont enjoy it and they should help because as of now this is boring. Force them to play with us. This is a MMO, why let people be 1 man roamer loaners on dead servers?

WvW population is low for whatever speculative reasons. Please merge tiers ASAP before more damage is done. T1/T2. Id say t3 too but theres honestly not enough people.

Most players on NA servers are from……NA. Mid-tier servers and probably lower tier servers as well still have large NA populations. What do you think is going to happen if all those players are forced into 6 servers? You may get better coverage around the clock, but the times when NA players are usually on will have insane queues.

Edit: Beaten by less than a minute.

Arcadio.6875:

Most players on NA servers are from……NA. Mid-tier servers and probably lower tier servers as well still have large NA populations. What do you think is going to happen if all those players are forced into 6 servers? You may get better coverage around the clock, but the times when NA players are usually on will have insane queues.

Edit: Beaten by less than a minute.

I may have beat you to it, but it doesn’t make it any less true! This this this!

As much as I would love to see a solution to this, I don’t think it will happen in the near future. Server transfers are just too beneficial for Anet, specially during
tournaments, so it might take a while until we see something addressing this problem.

What’s funny is that some people seem to believe that it’s OK to server jump any time you want to receive a free win, basically turning WvW into a joke since you don’t really have to work for your win anymore.

It’s nobody’s fault that they are playing on a T3 server where most borderlands are ghostlands and where you only see some activity in EB for a couple of hours until it becomes a desert again. I understand people transfering to other regions because they want to play with their guild mates/friends or whatever, but nobody should be forced to open their wallet to a fix an issue or problem with the game that could/should be solved by the dev studio.

I’m sure they can do something about it since they made such a wonderful game that is so different from every other MMO I’ve played.

Apparently…

2v1 is fine.

1v1v1 is not.

…wat?

Yes, part of this is possible theorycrafting but I would offer an alternative theory to yours.
Since during NA, t1 has MAX 1-2 maps queued and they are quick 10-15 people queues at max, there is ample room for people. Since t3-t8 have low populations and not many people, splitting ALL of them between 3 t1 servers, 3 t2 servers and since not everyone plays NA would actually balance things.

There is no way an influx of small pop servers could cause heavy queues at WvW’s current state. Especially between kitten all servers. After 11 PM EST, There is almost never a queue, 1 if were lucky. The small queues typically occur around 8:30PM-11:30 PM EST. However, late NA is needed on TC/JQ. For the people not on eastern time, our 11:30 is only 8:30. This is still NA Prime for those people, its not right to exclude them. The other servers naturally would have some West Coast NA which is actually needed.

All the evidence points to the other servers filling in the gaps and making other BL’s populated again, not filling it to the point of overflow.

Only Timezone thats semi full is Eastern NA and its not even that full. The queues are short outside 2 hours past reset night. All other timezones are gaping. Theres no way the pops of t3-8 can epicly fill 6 servers(t1-t2’s), especially since t3-t8 dont play much wvw in the first place, 6 servers is alot, theres many BL’s needing people etc… Plus small queues arent that bad and if its a 5-20 minute wait or a 2 hour wait before more than 5 people log in..

BTW: This isnt a summary of TC, its a summary of all servers. So this isnt TC specific so you can stop the comments lol. Ive played on all t1 servers (sor, bg, jq, tc), some paid xfers, some not. I play to follow good commanders, not zerg non TS using commanders or PPT. So I dont mean to say help <x> server. This is more a summary of what ive seen throughout my history.

It’s not yet time for this. Even in the lowest rungs in T8, WvW isn’t completely depleted. One might be able to make the argument that bronze tier be merged into silver, but even that would be a poor idea. I’d say at the most, eliminate 6 servers from bronze so that each tier will have 6 servers each. It’s a bit cruel to eliminate communities that have been around for 2 years now and force them to migrate elsewhere, but it might (maybe) improve competitiveness.

At this point though, ANet just lets people transfer to other servers to fix this solution. That way, casual WvWers can chill in their T6+ communities and more regular WvWers can go T1-3. They seem content with this, as it’s closest to status quo and still gives them gem store revenues for transfers. In the long term, though, I think they may have to encourage movement from a few bottom servers to eliminate the 9 server per tier style WvW. It would certainly make more evenly-ranked servers. Imagine the populations of, say, FC, EB, SoR, KN, AR, and ET (I just grabbed the lowest six ranked servers from predicted ratings for next week as an example) all interspersed into other tiered servers. It’d even out T1-4, and T5-6 would become the more casual servers.

Here’s the caveat, however. Deleting these servers would undoubtedly cause many players to leave the game, as ANet will have single-handedly destroyed 2 years worth of community in one fell swoop. So which one is worse: giving people the option to transfer and letting the bottom servers depopulate slowly? or deleting those servers and having groups of people RQ from sheer frustration? To be honest, I think the former, as much as I dislike giving any credence to maintaining status quo (as it’s rarely the answer).

Something does need to be done to improve the populations and competitiveness of WvW, and the answer lies somewhere in improving the intermingling of WvW and PvE, but the answer is not seasons and it is not removing servers. I don’t claim to have any answers, either, but I know that much.

Bwahahaha T1 tears are the best. But if we merge, where ever then will you run when you start to lose? No thanks I’ll pass before being associated with servers that go 2v1 on the basis of coverage issues meanwhile their off time would crush all other servers.

Disgusting

Edit: on a side note I wanna see another T1 implosion. Having too much fun with fa

Really? Most servers below T2 can at least queue EB during NA prime. That’s with a decent crew in their BL.

The queues would be insane.

It’s funny watching T1s paradigm come crumbling down.

WvW and seasons are just a joke right now. Something needs to be done seasons is the biggest joke of all, honestly I don’t understand all the hype for seasons, it is the same thing but you get crappy rewards after.

The T1 for life crowd that seems to regularly come on here whining about not having three servers with full map queues 24/7 to fight “fair”, and making this preposterous argument about combining tiers needs to realize that life on the lower tiers is not dead. Players and guilds transfer to T1 all the time thinking that it’s the big show, and many of them leave when they realize it’s incredibly trashy, and a hollow game trying to win the PPT war 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

NA probably could safely trim off one tier (three servers) with a solution for the bottom tier dead zone, but combining everyone into two tiers is a ludicrous proposition. I am telling you after playing in T6/7 the past four months, after having played T1-3 since launch, there is actually more borderland activity in these tiers than there frequently is in the higher tiers. It’s just not always map zergs porting around playing hardcore PPT.

zen.6091:

I am telling you after playing in T6/7 the past four months, after having played T1-3 since launch, there is actually more borderland activity in these tiers than there frequently is in the higher tiers.

Whenever a tier 2 server has the misfortune of facing a tier 1, it’s a massive stomp. And tier 2 is where the gvg guilds congregate, so it’s not for lack of skill that they are permanently pushed off their bl and into their corner of EBG.

Hell, if you check the scores this week, there are stomps in the lower tiers already forming.

You really think you can compare the activity level of a tier 6/7 server to tier 1? Lol, just lol.

Blix.8021:

zen.6091:

I am telling you after playing in T6/7 the past four months, after having played T1-3 since launch, there is actually more borderland activity in these tiers than there frequently is in the higher tiers.

The delusion amongst these low tier players is incredible.

Whenever a tier 2 server has the misfortune of facing a tier 1, it’s a massive stomp. And tier 2 is where the gvg guilds congregate, so it’s not for lack of skill that they are permanently pushed off their bl and into their corner of EBG.

Hell, if you check the scores this week, there are stomps in the lower tiers already forming.

You really think you can compare the activity level of a tier 6/7 server to tier 1? Lol, just lol.

He’s talking about NA prime.

NA prime has quite a lot of activity for the population sizes of the lower servers. Obviously outside of NA prime this drops off, but obviously it is still fun as there’s still a ton of people playing there.

I seriously think this is some ploy to buff T1’s numbers. Like seriously, you guys created the race to the top in terms of PPT and coverage. You guys deal with it.

The delusion that Anet NEEDS to save your servers and buff their coverage is hilarious.

If anyone sees this as anything other than T1 begging Anet to plug up their coverage gaps they should be ashamed.

Blix.8021:

zen.6091:

I am telling you after playing in T6/7 the past four months, after having played T1-3 since launch, there is actually more borderland activity in these tiers than there frequently is in the higher tiers.

Whenever a tier 2 server has the misfortune of facing a tier 1, it’s a massive stomp. And tier 2 is where the gvg guilds congregate, so it’s not for lack of skill that they are permanently pushed off their bl and into their corner of EBG.

Hell, if you check the scores this week, there are stomps in the lower tiers already forming.

You really think you can compare the activity level of a tier 6/7 server to tier 1? Lol, just lol.

T1 has more 24/7 coverage and far more hardcore PPT players.

The situation between T1 and T2 is, as you said, different because T2 is stacked with don’t care about PPT guilds that are there for the fights and GvG. So when they do face a T1 server, the guilds aren’t suddenly going to play PPT, and the pugs vanish because no one wants to play endless keep defense. Plus the T2 servers have no interest in gaining rating and moving to T1, so the tiers are effectively locked in besides the 5% out-of-order match roll, or whatever it is.

In the lower tiers you see much more 10-20 size pugmander and guild groups running on BL maps attacking, defending, and fighting, and feeling like they can actually do something without a map zerg porting in to deal with every situation.

Blix.8021:

zen.6091:

I am telling you after playing in T6/7 the past four months, after having played T1-3 since launch, there is actually more borderland activity in these tiers than there frequently is in the higher tiers.

Whenever a tier 2 server has the misfortune of facing a tier 1, it’s a massive stomp. And tier 2 is where the gvg guilds congregate, so it’s not for lack of skill that they are permanently pushed off their bl and into their corner of EBG.

Hell, if you check the scores this week, there are stomps in the lower tiers already forming.

You really think you can compare the activity level of a tier 6/7 server to tier 1? Lol, just lol.

THIS IS MY POINT. The t2 servers arent going for PPT, they play for fights right? But when its just a massive imbalance, it degrades the experience. This is my point exactly. Even the most pro t2 guild fighting a big zerg will be stomped and tower taken.

In no way am I saying there SHOULD be map queues. I dont care about having full maps. But we need at least a small base of players equal to minimum half the enemys numbers to try to make a stand

Its kinda like saying JQ is recruiting EU because they want to win more PPT. That would be a false statement. They want EU so the people who play during EU actually can have fun and fights that arent incredibly imbalanced. Its not to say they want 4 map queues or even 1. Its to say they want more than 15 people on a tag that has to fight zergs.

End Result: Certain Timezones are completly unbalanced to the point where its become impossible to find a fight where your not dwarfed in numbers by over 50 percent. These range from OCX, SEA, Late NA, EU. There needs to be a way to somehow balance it to make it possible to have a fight that isnt ridiculous. The servers know during <x> time they will lose massive PPT, and they accept that. We honestly dont care, but when that timezone is so weak to the point where you cant even get 25 people on tag, it degrades the experience. Those timezones affect all 3 servers, so we need a WORLD solution. Not, transfer <x> timezone people to <x> server. All 3 servers have timezones that arent enjoyable to play. That should be changed imo. Its not about PPT.

zen.6091:

Blix.8021:

zen.6091:

I am telling you after playing in T6/7 the past four months, after having played T1-3 since launch, there is actually more borderland activity in these tiers than there frequently is in the higher tiers.

Whenever a tier 2 server has the misfortune of facing a tier 1, it’s a massive stomp. And tier 2 is where the gvg guilds congregate, so it’s not for lack of skill that they are permanently pushed off their bl and into their corner of EBG.

Hell, if you check the scores this week, there are stomps in the lower tiers already forming.

You really think you can compare the activity level of a tier 6/7 server to tier 1? Lol, just lol.

T1 has more 24/7 coverage and far more hardcore PPT players.

The situation between T1 and T2 is, as you said, different because T2 is stacked with don’t care about PPT guilds that are there for the fights and GvG. So when they do face a T1 server, the guilds aren’t suddenly going to play PPT, and the pugs vanish because no one wants to play endless keep defense. Plus the T2 servers have no interest in gaining rating and moving to T1, so the tiers are effectively locked in besides the 5% out-of-order match roll, or whatever it is.

In the lower tiers you see much more 10-20 size pugmander and guild groups running on BL maps attacking, defending, and fighting, and feeling like they can actually do something without a map zerg porting in to deal with every situation.

Do you really honestly believe that tier 6 or 7 servers would fare better against tc, bg, and jq than tier 2 servers do? Really? If a server like FA can stomp tier 3, then how do you think tier 1 servers would do against them?

The idea that lower tier servers are nearly on par in terms of population with tier 1 is just laughable. Not only does tier 1 have more people on during prime and off hours, they have more people on during the weekdays, too. Place a tier 1 against a lower tier, and maybe the lower tier can hold on for a weekend and make a game of it, but by sunday night it’s a wasteland painted the color of whatever server the tier 1 is.

Just because your server can queue EBG for an hour on fridays, doesn’t mean its population is healthy enough.

JJBigs.8456:

Blix.8021:

zen.6091:

I am telling you after playing in T6/7 the past four months, after having played T1-3 since launch, there is actually more borderland activity in these tiers than there frequently is in the higher tiers.

Whenever a tier 2 server has the misfortune of facing a tier 1, it’s a massive stomp. And tier 2 is where the gvg guilds congregate, so it’s not for lack of skill that they are permanently pushed off their bl and into their corner of EBG.

Hell, if you check the scores this week, there are stomps in the lower tiers already forming.

You really think you can compare the activity level of a tier 6/7 server to tier 1? Lol, just lol.

THIS IS MY POINT. The t2 servers arent going for PPT, they play for fights right? But when its just a massive imbalance, it degrades the experience. This is my point exactly. Even the most pro t2 guild fighting a big zerg will be stomped and tower taken.

In no way am I saying there SHOULD be map queues. I dont care about having full maps. But we need at least a small base of players equal to minimum half the enemys numbers to try to make a stand

Its kinda like saying JQ is recruiting EU because they want to win more PPT. That would be a false statement. They want EU so the people who play during EU actually can have fun and fights that arent incredibly imbalanced. Its not to say they want 4 map queues or even 1. Its to say they want more than 15 people on a tag that has to fight zergs.

End Result: Certain Timezones are completly unbalanced to the point where its become impossible to find a fight where your not dwarfed in numbers by over 50 percent. These range from OCX, SEA, Late NA, EU. There needs to be a way to somehow balance it to make it possible to have a fight that isnt ridiculous. The servers know during <x> time they will lose massive PPT, and they accept that. We honestly dont care, but when that timezone is so weak to the point where you cant even get 25 people on tag, it degrades the experience. Those timezones affect all 3 servers, so we need a WORLD solution. Not, transfer <x> timezone people to <x> server. All 3 servers have timezones that arent enjoyable to play. That should be changed imo. Its not about PPT.

Oh my god really?

JQ, BG, and TC all recruit for one reason. To win. Don’t delude yourself.

If tier 1 only cared about winning, they’d have all transferred to BG months ago. Don’t delude yourself.

Blix.8021:

zen.6091:

Blix.8021:

zen.6091:

I am telling you after playing in T6/7 the past four months, after having played T1-3 since launch, there is actually more borderland activity in these tiers than there frequently is in the higher tiers.

Whenever a tier 2 server has the misfortune of facing a tier 1, it’s a massive stomp. And tier 2 is where the gvg guilds congregate, so it’s not for lack of skill that they are permanently pushed off their bl and into their corner of EBG.

Hell, if you check the scores this week, there are stomps in the lower tiers already forming.

You really think you can compare the activity level of a tier 6/7 server to tier 1? Lol, just lol.

T1 has more 24/7 coverage and far more hardcore PPT players.

The situation between T1 and T2 is, as you said, different because T2 is stacked with don’t care about PPT guilds that are there for the fights and GvG. So when they do face a T1 server, the guilds aren’t suddenly going to play PPT, and the pugs vanish because no one wants to play endless keep defense. Plus the T2 servers have no interest in gaining rating and moving to T1, so the tiers are effectively locked in besides the 5% out-of-order match roll, or whatever it is.

In the lower tiers you see much more 10-20 size pugmander and guild groups running on BL maps attacking, defending, and fighting, and feeling like they can actually do something without a map zerg porting in to deal with every situation.

Do you really honestly believe that tier 6 or 7 servers would fare better against tc, bg, and jq than tier 2 servers do? Really? If a server like FA can stomp tier 3, then how do you think tier 1 servers would do against them?

The idea that lower tier servers are nearly on par in terms of population with tier 1 is just laughable. Not only does tier 1 have more people on during prime and off hours, they have more people on during the weekdays, too. Place a tier 1 against a lower tier, and maybe the lower tier can hold on for a weekend and make a game of it, but by sunday night it’s a wasteland painted the color of whatever server the tier 1 is.

Just because your server can queue EBG for an hour on fridays, doesn’t mean its population is healthy enough.

Funny how you guys talk about a healthy server, especially when you guys are the ones complaining about population issues and people not playing any more.

JJBigs.8456:

We need the people. People from lower tiers might claim to love their small roaming servers but in actuallity most dont enjoy it and they should help because as of now this is boring. Force them to play with us.

Since the top tiers are full of band wagon server jumpers anyway and the bottom tiers are communities of people that have likely been playing on their servers since release, the better solution is to disband the tier 1 servers and let them migrate to different servers.

We do enjoy our roaming servers, if we didn’t we would transfer. If I was forced into your no skill blobfest I would quit the game.

This is why I am asking for an official response. Servers can do whatever they want, It doesnt matter why servers recruit, its irrelevant. There are NA players who play outside NA Prime and would like not to having nothing to do except for NA Prime for a few hours. There are international players who play outside NA Prime who run 15 people vs a zerg.

They arent on <x> server to make sure their side wins, they are their for community, friends, etc and as a side result of naturally playing WvW, increase the PPT or defend keeps. They arent purposefully going out to "Save <x> servers PPT and be hereos. They just want to play WvW like everyone else but in a more balanced fashion. They arent deluded superheros thinking they will save the server. They are normal people, like you, who want fights, maybe will defend a tower if they want too once in a bit, and experience the normal and natural things people do in WvW.

Jim Hunter.6821:

JJBigs.8456:

We need the people. People from lower tiers might claim to love their small roaming servers but in actuallity most dont enjoy it and they should help because as of now this is boring. Force them to play with us.

Since the top tiers are full of band wagon server jumpers anyway and the bottom tiers are communities of people that have likely been playing on their servers since release, the better solution is to disband the tier 1 servers and let them migrate to different servers.

We do enjoy our roaming servers, if we didn’t we would transfer. If I was forced into your no skill blobfest I would quit the game.

JQ has had guilds since the start of WvW, most wins in t1, etc. Also some people such as Cloud Fly like to have his own or small guild, but lead almost every day in EB and has been on JQ since forever. Thats not really bandwagon. BG has had lots of core guilds too. SoR/TC has had a large number of the same guilds stay. So basically alot of guilds stay loyal in community, and some dont. Sounds quite normal and pretty irrelevant.

Blobfest? Have you read any of the posts and/or screens? We are outmanned 3/4 maps, and the 1 map we have 20 people on pin. You easily could roam or fight with a 20 person group or not roll with a main commander and havoc.

Either you still believe things posted 1 year ago or your intentionally trying to sabatoge the thread. Im asking for balance, not to fill up map queues for 80v80 Fights. If things were balanced, it could be broken into 1 havoc of 20, etc. Fully fitting your requirement of not blobbing.

JJBigs.8456:

Jim Hunter.6821:

JJBigs.8456:

We need the people. People from lower tiers might claim to love their small roaming servers but in actuallity most dont enjoy it and they should help because as of now this is boring. Force them to play with us.

Since the top tiers are full of band wagon server jumpers anyway and the bottom tiers are communities of people that have likely been playing on their servers since release, the better solution is to disband the tier 1 servers and let them migrate to different servers.

We do enjoy our roaming servers, if we didn’t we would transfer. If I was forced into your no skill blobfest I would quit the game.

JQ has had guilds since the start of WvW, most wins in t1, etc. Also some people such as Cloud Fly like to have his own or small guild, but lead almost every day in EB and has been on JQ since forever. Thats not really bandwagon. BG has had lots of core guilds too. SoR/TC has had a large number of the same guilds stay. So basically alot of guilds stay loyal in community, and some dont. Sounds quite normal and pretty irrelevant.

Blobfest? Have you read any of the posts and/or screens? We are outmanned 3/4 maps, and the 1 map we have 20 people on pin. You easily could roam or fight with a 20 person group or not roll with a main commander and havoc.

Either you still believe things posted 1 year ago or your intentionally trying to sabatoge the thread. Im asking for balance, not to fill up map queues for 80v80 Fights. If things were balanced, it could be broken into 1 havoc of 20, etc. Fully fitting your requirement of not blobbing.

Sounds like you are fielding less players than we are in the bottom tiers. Maybe you should transfer. Leave us out of your bad ideas.

Blix.8021:

echo.2053:

Blix.8021:

Tibstrike.2974:

Blix.8021:

zen.6091:

I am telling you after playing in T6/7 the past four months, after having played T1-3 since launch, there is actually more borderland activity in these tiers than there frequently is in the higher tiers.

The delusion amongst these low tier players is incredible.

Whenever a tier 2 server has the misfortune of facing a tier 1, it’s a massive stomp. And tier 2 is where the gvg guilds congregate, so it’s not for lack of skill that they are permanently pushed off their bl and into their corner of EBG.

Hell, if you check the scores this week, there are stomps in the lower tiers already forming.

You really think you can compare the activity level of a tier 6/7 server to tier 1? Lol, just lol.

He’s talking about NA prime dunce.

Because the likes of mag, sos, db, or fa do so well against servers like BG or TC during NA prime, right? The population difference is massive in every time zone, denying that is simply stupid.

Oh dear god this kid hasn’t seen the light of day outside running back to his blob.

Lol get carried by your population and coverage for the real delusion here, that ppt means anything more then a sign of population size

Maybe you should learn some reading comprehension.

Lol non reading comprehension allowed me to see that zen was making a point about activity OUTSIDE the Zerg. I’m actually rather surprise your smart self hasn’t evolved past the need for words and instead just wrote 11111 1111 1 111.

Mmm Incredibly imbalanced !!!!!! Then you look at server history to see the difference is only 30k lol T1 tears

People that wanted T1 blobfest already left for T1, nobody wants to merge with you just so you can blob queue 4 maps all day.

This already been discussed in this thead.

While I think merging servers is a good thing, 6 servers is too little to alocate the people that want to blob and the people that want maps with… well… less blob.

I’d say we could get rid of the lower 6-9 servers and still have a good space for both blobing and small scale with problably just 1 queue in EBG at best…

echo.2053:

Mmm Incredibly imbalanced !!!!!! Then you look at server history to see the difference is only 30k lol T1 tears

This isnt personal to 1 server. All server’s have weak timezones but there are still players who play during them who would like more support. Stop looking at PPT, how many times can I say this. I am asking for justice for the players who play in OCX,SEA,EU,Late NA. I want all players, all servers, to be able to be semi competitive. I dont care if my server was ahead by 100k, but had a weak EU. Id want EU filled more, so those people have fun like me, and so forth. PPT is irrelevant!!

Here are links to threads of people, some t2 or below, some t1 complaining about the imbalance. So here is your “proof” not all lower tier servers enjoy fighting outmanned, on empty maps. Again, it has nothing to do with PPT, it has everything to do with having at least a force of 20 or more to fight enemy zerg. I know people want to demonize t1 or make it into problems occured 1 year ago but those arguments are very thinly veiled when provided with multiple community forum posts. We dont care about winning or PPT, we care about not being completly destroyed by having literally almost no one to help. You guys are disrespecting non NA Prime players and I dont appreciate it. Read the threads, these are people just wanting to have a non steamroll experience. They dont mind fighting outnumbered, but when its 10 v 40…yea. Its not about skill at that point.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Fort-Aspenwood-AGAIN-Really
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/A-too-Ehmry-Bay/first#post4137125
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Where-are-the-fights
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/In-Asian-time-Where-is-BG
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Is-holding-enemy-BL-garrison-20-hours-BM
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Outnumbered-serves-no-WvW-benefits

No need for any specific server comments. This is a problem that affects EVERY SERVER. ALL servers have at least 1 weak time slot. I dont think writing those people off and saying oh well is very nice, regardless of if they streamroll every other timezone. Those players should get some form of support from Anet.

Example: Server A vs B, C. Server A has a 50k lead, but during Late NA, the players who thats their prime have no one to play with. Does that mean they should be punished during their prime because their server has coverage in other zones? NO WAY.

If you want a “solution.” It shouldn’t be merging all the servers into super servers. Just lower the population cap down to 35-50. This gives servers with a lower population the ability to Que all the maps constantly, and fight servers with 5x the WvW population.

Blix.8021:

Do you really honestly believe that tier 6 or 7 servers would fare better against tc, bg, and jq than tier 2 servers do?….

The idea that lower tier servers are nearly on par in terms of population with tier 1 is just laughable.

When did I ever say that? Here’s the deal, and I’ll try to make it simple.

T1 has more 24/7 coverage. More players and guilds with a PPT mindset to attack and defend things with maximum PPT efficiency. In a nutshell, that means GWEN blobs, paper stuff is flipped with incredible speed, scouts actually scout, siege stays ticked, and when it’s time to push upgraded keeps when you have a coverage advantage, it’s a map zerg going all out. The old Waha zergs on JQ pretty much mastered the last part during SEA coverage, and I guess JQ is still doing that by the sound of the QQ in this thread.

If you like playing that way all the time, have yourself a merry time in T1.

In the the lower tiers, it’s much more of a sandbox of activity and doing whatever you want to do. That drives some players who have transferred down from T1 crazy, while others find it to be a welcome respite. It’s hard to explain the player numbers and what people are actually doing, but there are plenty of players.

Jman.1975:

If you want a “solution.” It shouldn’t be merging all the servers into super servers. Just lower the population cap down to 35-50. This gives servers with a lower population the ability to Que all the maps constantly, and fight servers with 5x the WvW population.

This is a much better idea. These maps are too small for more than 50 per side.

zen.6091:

Blix.8021:

Do you really honestly believe that tier 6 or 7 servers would fare better against tc, bg, and jq than tier 2 servers do?….

The idea that lower tier servers are nearly on par in terms of population with tier 1 is just laughable.

When did I ever say that? Here’s the deal, and I’ll try to make it simple.

T1 has more 24/7 coverage. More players and guilds with a PPT mindset to attack and defend things with maximum PPT efficiency. In a nutshell, that means GWEN blobs, paper stuff is flipped with incredible speed, scouts actually scout, siege stays ticked, and when it’s time to push upgraded keeps when you have a coverage advantage, it’s a map zerg going all out. The old Waha zergs on JQ pretty much mastered the last part during SEA coverage, and I guess JQ is still doing that by the sound of the QQ in this thread.

If you like playing that way all the time, have yourself a merry time in T1.

In the the lower tiers, it’s much more of a sandbox of activity and doing whatever you want to do. That drives some players who have transferred down from T1 crazy, while others find it to be a welcome respite. It’s hard to explain the player numbers and what people are actually doing, but there are plenty of players.

You said quote

I am telling you after playing in T6/7 the past four months, after having played T1-3 since launch, there is actually more borderland activity in these tiers than there frequently is in the higher tiers.

Which is unequivocally false. There is not more activity on BLs in lower tiers than higher tiers.

Compare TC’s borderland focus this week.

http://www.gw2score.com/server/Tarnished-Coast

38.8% of their score came from EBG, 17.7% from BGBL, 19.5% from JQBL and 24% from TCBL.

Now look at Ferguson’s crossing boderland focus.

http://www.gw2score.com/server/Ferguson%27s-Crossing

51.3% came from FCBL. 34.1% from EBG. 9.5 and 5.1 from the other servers’ BLs.

Now maybe I extrapolated your comments too far, but the idea that there’s more happening in lower tiers is just plain false, especially weekdays. More is happening on more BLs in higher tiers.

Jman.1975:

Just lower the population cap down to 35-50. This gives servers with a lower population the ability to Que all the maps constantly, and fight servers with 5x the WvW population.

Perfect! T1 advertises all the time how they no longer have queues, enticing more people to transfer there. People would leave if there were long queues all the time again.

At 11:00 PM PST last evening, BG had a 7 man queue on a single borderland.

I think ya’ll are underestimating the queue lengths in T1.

perhaps you’re getting them confused with China’s queues.

Blix.8021:

zen.6091:

Blix.8021:

Do you really honestly believe that tier 6 or 7 servers would fare better against tc, bg, and jq than tier 2 servers do?….

The idea that lower tier servers are nearly on par in terms of population with tier 1 is just laughable.

When did I ever say that? Here’s the deal, and I’ll try to make it simple.

T1 has more 24/7 coverage. More players and guilds with a PPT mindset to attack and defend things with maximum PPT efficiency. In a nutshell, that means GWEN blobs, paper stuff is flipped with incredible speed, scouts actually scout, siege stays ticked, and when it’s time to push upgraded keeps when you have a coverage advantage, it’s a map zerg going all out. The old Waha zergs on JQ pretty much mastered the last part during SEA coverage, and I guess JQ is still doing that by the sound of the QQ in this thread.

If you like playing that way all the time, have yourself a merry time in T1.

In the the lower tiers, it’s much more of a sandbox of activity and doing whatever you want to do. That drives some players who have transferred down from T1 crazy, while others find it to be a welcome respite. It’s hard to explain the player numbers and what people are actually doing, but there are plenty of players.

You said quote

I am telling you after playing in T6/7 the past four months, after having played T1-3 since launch, there is actually more borderland activity in these tiers than there frequently is in the higher tiers.

Which is unequivocally false. There is not more activity on BLs in lower tiers than higher tiers.

Compare TC’s borderland focus this week.

http://www.gw2score.com/server/Tarnished-Coast

38.8% of their score came from EBG, 17.7% from BGBL, 19.5% from JQBL and 24% from TCBL.

Now look at Ferguson’s crossing boderland focus.

http://www.gw2score.com/server/Ferguson%27s-Crossing

51.3% came from FCBL. 34.1% from EBG. 9.5 and 5.1 from the other servers’ BLs.

Now maybe I extrapolated your comments too far, but the idea that there’s more happening in lower tiers is just plain false, especially weekdays. More is happening on more BLs in higher tiers.

There’s more to it than arm chair theory and statistics.

T1 servers have the coordination and coverage to hold corner keeps on enemy BLs, hence the increased score from enemy BLs, but that doesn’t necessarily mean activity. JQ can have a fortified weekend BL keep with a lone scout in it most of the time and a zerg to port in the moment it’s attacked, but I don’t consider that activity. The knowledge that a map zerg will port in for defense, plus having to wade though all the siege, and win a cap fight over all the bannering and WP resing on tick keeps it defended. And oh by the way, while you’re committed to that for an hour, another zerg will hit your stuff elsewhere. It’s just a big game of zerg whack-a-mole.

This falls into the max PPT mindset category. On the lower tiers, you may take and upgrade a corner keep a bit, maybe even get a WP on rare occasion, but not defend it for days on end. It’s usually struggle enough to hold your own WP’s during coverage gaps, let alone worry about holding one in enemy territory.

Most of the people in T1 are there for the 24/7 fights. PPT only rears its head once in a blue moon outside of seasons and even during this last season T1 was so averse to full on ppt that 2 servers teamed up on the 3rd because they knew playing it meant fighting every stupidly annoying aspect of ppt play for 2 months and wanted nothing to do with it, so they removed that server and condensed it down to a single week of ppt which only ended up being about half a week anyway.

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SFShinigami.2015:

Most of the people in T1 are there for the 24/7 fights. PPT only rears its head once in a blue moon outside of seasons and even during this last season T1 was so averse to full on ppt that 2 servers teamed up on the 3rd because they knew playing it meant fighting every stupidly annoying aspect of ppt play for 2 months and wanted nothing to do with it, so they removed that server and condensed it down to a single week of ppt which only ended up being about half a week anyway.

So you’re saying you teamed up on a server because you didn’t care about PPT? How is ignoring an entire servers worth of people to fight “looking for 24/7 fights”?

My server is constantly outmanned and we have had other servers propose an alliance against the 3rd server. We just laugh at them and go on killing everyone we see. We might lose in PPT but we dominate the majority of our fights and have fun doing it.

Jim Hunter.6821:

SFShinigami.2015:

Most of the people in T1 are there for the 24/7 fights. PPT only rears its head once in a blue moon outside of seasons and even during this last season T1 was so averse to full on ppt that 2 servers teamed up on the 3rd because they knew playing it meant fighting every stupidly annoying aspect of ppt play for 2 months and wanted nothing to do with it, so they removed that server and condensed it down to a single week of ppt which only ended up being about half a week anyway.

So you’re saying you teamed up on a server because you didn’t care about PPT? How is ignoring an entire servers worth of people to fight “looking for 24/7 fights”?

My server is constantly outmanned and we have had other servers propose an alliance against the 3rd server. We just laugh at them and go on killing everyone we see. We might lose in PPT but we dominate the majority of our fights and have fun doing it.

Because it wasn’t going to be 24/7 fights. When the 3rd server was successfully removed from the equation each week the other two went and just had fights the rest of the week pretty much.

SFShinigami.2015:

Jim Hunter.6821:

SFShinigami.2015:

Most of the people in T1 are there for the 24/7 fights. PPT only rears its head once in a blue moon outside of seasons and even during this last season T1 was so averse to full on ppt that 2 servers teamed up on the 3rd because they knew playing it meant fighting every stupidly annoying aspect of ppt play for 2 months and wanted nothing to do with it, so they removed that server and condensed it down to a single week of ppt which only ended up being about half a week anyway.

So you’re saying you teamed up on a server because you didn’t care about PPT? How is ignoring an entire servers worth of people to fight “looking for 24/7 fights”?

My server is constantly outmanned and we have had other servers propose an alliance against the 3rd server. We just laugh at them and go on killing everyone we see. We might lose in PPT but we dominate the majority of our fights and have fun doing it.

Because it wasn’t going to be 24/7 fights. When the 3rd server was successfully removed from the equation each week the other two went and just had fights the rest of the week pretty much.

Or you could have ignored the PPT all together and just had fun fighting…. Like we do…. all the time.

Agree with Shini. Basically im just saying bring back the 24/7 Fights in T1. This is my last reply as this thread is getting trolled and derailed by lots of people.

JJBigs.8456:

Agree with Shini. Basically im just saying bring back the 24/7 Fights in T1. This is my last reply as this thread is getting trolled and derailed by lots of people.

I have never logged on and not been able to find a fight. If you really can’t find someone just set up some siege in bluevale and start attacking bay, I guarantee someone will show up.

Do you really mean you can’t find a blob to join up with?

JJBigs.8456:

Agree with Shini. Basically im just saying bring back the 24/7 Fights in T1. This is my last reply as this thread is getting trolled and derailed by lots of people.

Since my last post was deleted, I just want to point this out.

T1 has the best coverage of all tiers. All 3 servers in those tiers have different times when they are stronger than the other servers, which allows for the possibility of a different winner each week.

Now, if you think it is bad in t1, with +70, you should come down and see the FA/SBI/YB match (especially during the week), or how about that Devona’s Rest match.

We all know about the coverage issues, and yeah, it is easy for us people in kitten, T3 (and maybe T4) to call for server merges, when all we want is to swallow up other servers to push our coverage even further (but it wont help, their will still be coverage issues).

No one seems to ask if the players in T5, T6, T7, or T8 want to merge into the higher tiers. Some people have fought for their servers since day 1 (or early on in the game) and they have pride in that. Why do they not matter in this talk?

WvW has always been a numbers game, and always will be. Was it ok when TC dominated servers in T2 every week for months? With superior coverage? Somehow, T1 changes peoples perspectives. Maybe it is the competitive nature of being in T1 that creates these politics, but most of the wvw community has come to terms with coverage issues, and we just go out and have fun.

Jim Hunter.6821:

JJBigs.8456:

Agree with Shini. Basically im just saying bring back the 24/7 Fights in T1. This is my last reply as this thread is getting trolled and derailed by lots of people.

I have never logged on and not been able to find a fight. If you really can’t find someone just set up some siege in bluevale and start attacking bay, I guarantee someone will show up.

Do you really mean you can’t find a blob to join up with?

I think he is just frustrated, like YB, IoJ, and SBI are when we face FA right now. During the afternoon, it will really be 80-100 vs 30-40. We get ran off the map. It is what it is. The difference between T1 and T3 right now, is that TC, JQ, and BG are at a relative strength to each other, and FA has received so many transfers since the league has ended that they are a legitament t2 server.

Andrew Clear.1750:

Jim Hunter.6821:

JJBigs.8456:

Agree with Shini. Basically im just saying bring back the 24/7 Fights in T1. This is my last reply as this thread is getting trolled and derailed by lots of people.

I have never logged on and not been able to find a fight. If you really can’t find someone just set up some siege in bluevale and start attacking bay, I guarantee someone will show up.

Do you really mean you can’t find a blob to join up with?

I think he is just frustrated, like YB, IoJ, and SBI are when we face FA right now. During the afternoon, it will really be 80-100 vs 30-40. We get ran off the map. It is what it is. The difference between T1 and T3 right now, is that TC, JQ, and BG are at a relative strength to each other, and FA has received so many transfers since the league has ended that they are a legitament t2 server.

We get the same thing when we go against GoM. It just makes it that much more satisfying when we take out 3 times our numbers in a fight. Will we ever beat them in PPT? Of course not, but we also never have to look for a fight.

I think it’s just a different mentality.

Jim Hunter.6821:

Andrew Clear.1750:

Jim Hunter.6821:

JJBigs.8456:

Agree with Shini. Basically im just saying bring back the 24/7 Fights in T1. This is my last reply as this thread is getting trolled and derailed by lots of people.

I have never logged on and not been able to find a fight. If you really can’t find someone just set up some siege in bluevale and start attacking bay, I guarantee someone will show up.

Do you really mean you can’t find a blob to join up with?

I think he is just frustrated, like YB, IoJ, and SBI are when we face FA right now. During the afternoon, it will really be 80-100 vs 30-40. We get ran off the map. It is what it is. The difference between T1 and T3 right now, is that TC, JQ, and BG are at a relative strength to each other, and FA has received so many transfers since the league has ended that they are a legitament t2 server.

We get the same thing when we go against GoM. It just makes it that much more satisfying when we take out 3 times our numbers in a fight. Will we ever beat them in PPT? Of course not, but we also never have to look for a fight.

I think it’s just a different mentality.

That is how a lot of us in SBI look at it. We are outnumbered, but we are going to go out, and we are going to fight. We don’t turtle in the keeps, with tons of siege (we do use siege, but not like YB), we go out, we fight. Of course, we always think there is a chance we will lose an engagement when it is lopsided, but, it sure does feel kitten good when you are wiping the floor with them

Yo, just because you guys ran out of money to buy more guilds does not give you the right to forcefully merge servers.

But in all seriousness, the numbers problem is because wvw is stagnant and that doesn’t really convince people to come in. Add in that it’s easier to train in EOTM and wvw rewards remain mediocre and we’re basically playing on the same wvw maps since release excluding bloodlust and wvw population will just continue to shrink. Consolidating servers merely is a band-aid fix to a stab wound.

Jim Hunter.6821:

Jman.1975:

If you want a “solution.” It shouldn’t be merging all the servers into super servers. Just lower the population cap down to 35-50. This gives servers with a lower population the ability to Que all the maps constantly, and fight servers with 5x the WvW population.

This is a much better idea. These maps are too small for more than 50 per side.

Yup, a lot of us have been asking for lower WvW map pop caps for a very long time now and I really thought EotM and the new transfer prices b4 S2 was the prelude to ANET actually listening to us on it but have yet to see any significant change. Please let this happen soon.

Map cap pops wont help crap, and will actually hurt the very essence of what WvW is supposed to be. It is supposed to be large scale warfare, and have a limit at is equal to some WoW BGs isn’t really large scale.

Also, 50 person map cap isn’t going to help when a server like FA, can fill up multiple 50 persons maps during NA off hours, while YB and SBI would be able to fill 1 if we were lucky.

Map cap isn’t going to help. Maybe in T1, so you can get the constant Map queue 24/7 and say it isn’t a numbers game (and T2 a little) but for the rest of WvW, map caps wouldn’t be beneficial, and would actually tick off some people on servers who would be able to queue multiple maps during primetime and not be able to play much.

To play devil’s advocate…

We need a solution fast.

• Why? Everything is fine. People are still playing, money is still rolling in.

JJBigs.8456:

Ignoring the problem doesnt make it go away.

• see above. If people are still playing, money is still rolling in, then ignoring some perceived “problem” is exactly what they should be doing.

But seriously, this is a really frustrating part of WvW and I think there have been plenty of solutions suggested by the community in the past that are much more subtle and effective than merging servers. I can’t see them fixing it though, because if Habib couldn’t do it, nobody can! #FreeHabib

JJBigs.8456:

Agree with Shini. Basically im just saying bring back the 24/7 Fights in T1. This is my last reply as this thread is getting trolled and derailed by lots of people.

Anyone who looks at last week’s ending score for WvW – HoD/Yak’s Bend/Borliss Pass – can clearly see the issue is the same for many servers.

Fort Aspenwood 338 210
Isle of Janthir 145 688
Stormbluff Isle 160 132

Yak’s Bend 333 546
Henge of Denravi 120 795
Borlis Pass 186 883

Crystal Desert 319 322
Northern Shiverpeaks 169 092
Sorrow’s Furnace 142 197

Now correct me if I am wrong, if the numbers above bear out that all groups shown are winning by a margin of about 3-1, then why in heck and gone aren’t the these servers – CD – FA – YB playing one another rather than picking on those who are two to three times less in size?

Please fix the unevenness after a season.

You know the numbers and if you look you can see who does WvW as well – those numbers are not being taken into account at all and they surely need to be.

A slaughter isn’t fun for any side – even most on the “winning” side feels cheated when the numbers are 3-1 or more with no hope for any given week.