SoR died before EotM, stop blaming things for the sake of blaming.
Are we going to blame LA rescue for SoR dying as well?
Point taken. Still, look at the SoR commanders post just above. Nothing but stress. “sustain the coverage to remain competitive” “split mainly between the hardcore players and the non-hardcore players. It has since been resolved mainly by the guilds leaving” “population’s recruiting pool has became very poor” “very large amount of numbers, time, and energy required to maintain hardcore competitiveness” “unsustainable” an on and on.
The WvW meta has one 15 minute break once a week. The rest of the time the game and scoring are on. I’ve never seen anything like it. Granted I do have only played a handful of games, but hardcore raiding was never like this. This simply burns people out. I’ve never seen so much rage quitting. Players quitting guilds. Guilds splitting or collapsing. Guilds quitting servers. Just for the sake of the score. We have to get the score. We have to be top scorer. Never mind that fights and the fun don’t change regardless of the score. It’s simply crazy how people buy into all this.
The problem is that the metric was asinine from the launch, but many fell for it because on the surface that is what it seems like WvW is “about”…It is compounded that the world is full of sheep (ever seen a tagged up karma train?), therefore people are/have/will run themselves ragged over chasing PPT which is (once again) still an asinine metric; without ever coming to the realization that PPT chasing only leads to heartbreak in the end.
I feel sad for the people that have played since launch and still think that PPT matters, or not that it matters, that it is relevant to anything remotely tied to their individual play or efforts.
Keep staying up til 4am to upgrade garri, keep calling into work, keep missing class, next week the cycle will start all over and you can do it all again. Then leagues will come and then it will “matter even more”….The sooner people come to the realization of the situation then we as players can hopefully start to change the landscape…Because God knows ANET seems to be helpless to do anything about it.
This attitude towards PPT is one of the main reasons why SOR imploded since it only accepts one type of play style in wvw. If it continues, the only people left on the server doing wvw are only the hardcore wvw players who plays for fights only.
I know people who likes to play wvw strategically like a chess match and playing for PPT allows this. They try to predict enemy movements and come up with counter moves. I also know some that plays wvw like sims/civilization where they try to “maintain” their homeland, and that involves upgrading structures, running yaks and making sure all structures get supplies. To these people, playing the way they think is fun indirectly affects ppt.
My comments are not directed at the handful of people that log in to this game and play PPT for the 2-3 hrs a day they play then log out and think nothing about it beyond that…My comments are aimed at the masses that obsess over it, and to some extent let it dictate how/when/why they play.
I am all for people playing for “fun”, the problem with that logic is when you talk to people that play for PPT they only have “fun” when they are “winning”.
The ones that don’t care typically have not been playing since launch. It may be worth it in T1, but short of there, everyone else will eventually realize that you only control (in terms of PPT) what your server-coverage allows.
I would say the ones who have been playing since launch are the ones who have found ways to lead with losing. If you lose your kitten while you’re losing then after a year and a half your kitten is totally gone. WvW involves hundreds of players. Much of it is beyond any one person’s control.
It’s like newer players who are like “Oh no! We’re losing by 20k points!” or “Oh no! We’re ticking at +20!” or “Oh no! We lost garrison while I was sleeping!”
Life goes on, guilds come and go, new people show up in WvW as old ones stop playing. WvW is such a long game, you can’t sweat the lil’ things. Don’t burn yourself out, don’t worry what tier you’re in. Your tier doesn’t say anything about you, your guild, or whatever. Tiers are nonsense. It’s not important. Do the best with what you got and only measure yourself against the person you were yesterday. I don’t care what servers are better than Gate of Madness, I only care whether I’m better than I was yesterday.
Whatever happens just remember the mantra: fight, kill, have fun.
Truth.
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I must say it is sad to see all of my friends go from SoR, I had a lot of good times and met a lot of amazing people over the last 18 months. I stopped playing GW2 shortly after the new year, and I guess it’s for the best because the memories I have left are of the good times fighting alongside the Oceanic crew. I would follow Rai, Green Arrow, Nirmuu and Sarhill into battle any kitten day of the week. Gonna miss you guys, not just the leader in WvW, but the people of those guilds, hopefully our paths cross again in the future.
I must say it is sad to see all of my friends go from SoR, I had a lot of good times and met a lot of amazing people over the last 18 months. I stopped playing GW2 shortly after the new year, and I guess it’s for the best because the memories I have left are of the good times fighting alongside the Oceanic crew. I would follow Rai, Green Arrow, Nirmuu and Sarhill into battle any kitten day of the week. Gonna miss you guys, not just the leader in WvW, but the people of those guilds, hopefully our paths cross again in the future.
I think SoR’s problem is that you cant just randomly decide to be a ‘for the fights server’ after being a ‘for the ppt server’ for so long.
You attracted a large number of players for what you were, not what you suddenly decided to become because you realized what the majority of the player base has been saying since a month after release, PPT is broken.
I think SoR’s problem is that you cant just randomly decide to be a ‘for the fights server’ after being a ‘for the ppt server’ for so long.
It didn’t. For as long as I was on the server (March last year to January this year) its priority was the fights, but this was usually tempered by the need to take and hold our corners then go looking for fights.
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SoR imploded when Blindo and the rest of [TW] Twerk Warriors left for SoS
Ran with them earlier, speaking of that. My god they’re good…really good. Kept wiping entire giant zergs of FA in Eternal like they were nothing. They know their stuff.
[hS]
PvE Main – Zar Poisonclaw – Daredevil
WvW Main – Ghost Mistcaller – Herald
SoR imploded when Blindo and the rest of [TW] Twerk Warriors left for SoS
Ran with them earlier, speaking of that. My god they’re good…really good. Kept wiping entire giant zergs of FA in Eternal like they were nothing. They know their stuff.
Well in FA’s defense, TW also had a giant kittening zerg backing their 20-25. They even asked/forced other SoS guilds to help them push on guild groups. They sure know how to blob. TW also gets wiped in any situation where they don’t have back-up.
I think SoR’s problem is that you cant just randomly decide to be a ‘for the fights server’ after being a ‘for the ppt server’ for so long.
It didn’t. For as long as I was on the server (March last year to January this year) its priority was the fights, but this was usually tempered by the need to take and hold our corners then go looking for fights.
I think your view of being ‘for the fights’ is drastically different than those that actually play for the fights. SoR did not have a lot of guilds that were there for the fight, so the rest of the T1 level population must have been there for what?
I think SoR’s problem is that you cant just randomly decide to be a ‘for the fights server’ after being a ‘for the ppt server’ for so long.
You attracted a large number of players for what you were, not what you suddenly decided to become because you realized what the majority of the player base has been saying since a month after release, PPT is broken.
We were always about the community before anything else. We played the PPT to get to the higher tiers, the intention was to sit around T2 & 3 originally as it was the sweet spot of good fights without the massive queues. We’ve always been about the fights though, even back when we were 15th or 17th in NA we preferred open field engagements over hiding in keeps.
People can try to say otherwise, but GW2guru forums will always show what Sanctum of Rall is about.
This post is from July 2012, the month before the Official Launch.
This is from 3 months after launch. Note how a Blackgate guild is requesting people to transfer TO SoR because they enjoyed fighting us so much…
This thread is from December 2012. Again, we were getting flogged by Blackgate’s night crew (have we really been fighting BG that long?) because we were still outmanned during OCX but we continued fighting, because we just freaking loved fighting.
Well in FA’s defense, TW also had a giant kittening zerg backing their 20-25. They even asked/forced other SoS guilds to help them push on guild groups. They sure know how to blob.
A good strategy to use against TW is to split your own zerg up into small groups and hit multiple objectives at the same time. They literally have no capacity to break down and handle things on a small scale level.
SoR imploded when Blindo and the rest of [TW] Twerk Warriors left for SoS
Ran with them earlier, speaking of that. My god they’re good…really good. Kept wiping entire giant zergs of FA in Eternal like they were nothing. They know their stuff.
It is easy to wipe pugs in EBG. That is what Tempered Wolves is known for over the past 6 months, avoiding real fights and hiding out in EBG.
What about when they held down SoRBL by themselves (with militia ofc) against queued zergs of BG and JQ…. at the same time?
It came to the point that SF and ICoa wouldn’t even step foot into SoRbl.
Quite interesting to hear all the theories on what made “SoR” implode. :P
Anyways, many of the SoR WvW community (several guilds) actually transfered together. So in a way the community isn’t gone, it’s just partly on TC now.
For my guild it was a choice between either a stable T2 server or TC. The latter was chosen because most agreed it would give us more prospect in the long run (activity during our euro raids and recruitment). I don’t think the euro presence would be enough in tier 2 to keep us satisfied, and going back to tier 1 to TC proved so far to be a really good choice.
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The attitudes of IRON, TW and FEAR are what crippled this server. Instead of embracing new players that came with the leagues, they told them to go kitten off. If you weren’t super, ultra elite you couldn’t even be on the same map as them or they’d verbally assault you over Teamspeak for hours then ban you when they got bored.
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There was a guild ([RQ])that had transferred to JQ and possessed this attitude. They were told by the community to kitten off. They did. They were not missed.
A lot of guilds left at once. Many people got burnt out and/or wanted a change of scenery.
TC was the destination of choice for many people. Adding a few guilds to TC rounded out their WvW population nicely. As you see from the current WvW scores, the improved TC is holding its own in T1.
Now SoR is in the process of rebuilding its WvW community.
I wouldn’t worry too much SoR, many servers fall….The bigger problem is that many players that have been playing since launch are tired of this game.
I see it more and more every week, people are just fed up, burnt out, or ready for something newer and improved.
I think over the next year this game will change drastically, people will be leaving a newer crowd will steadily be streamed in lured by the “no subscription”. There will always be people to play against, but the days of Gw2 being the only WvW/RvR in the sunlight are coming to an end.
Interestingly enough, a lot of the same thing happened on TC prior to the start of Season 1. We had a bleeding of guilds towards BG and JQ (and maybe a few to SoR) in the hopes of playing on a ‘competitive server’. But in the end, it didn’t seem to make that much difference. Months go by, things even out, new people come, learn the game, play WvW, things progress. I’m sure that SoR will cycle through and come around and recreate itself in a new image in time.
I understand the pain of losing friends and comrades, as my WvW guild was one that was bought out by JQ. I chose to stick with TC and in the end it was a great decision. I applaud those that have stuck with SoR.
Interestingly enough, a lot of the same thing happened on TC prior to the start of Season 1. We had a bleeding of guilds towards BG and JQ (and maybe a few to SoR) in the hopes of playing on a ‘competitive server’. But in the end, it didn’t seem to make that much difference. Months go by, things even out, new people come, learn the game, play WvW, things progress. I’m sure that SoR will cycle through and come around and recreate itself in a new image in time.
I understand the pain of losing friends and comrades, as my WvW guild was one that was bought out by JQ. I chose to stick with TC and in the end it was a great decision. I applaud those that have stuck with SoR.
My guild left for SoS.
I chose to stay on TC and joined a wonderful guild. I don’t regret my decision one bit.
SoR imploded when Blindo and the rest of [TW] Twerk Warriors left for SoS
Ran with them earlier, speaking of that. My god they’re good…really good. Kept wiping entire giant zergs of FA in Eternal like they were nothing. They know their stuff.
EB zergs are the worst zergs… It’s really nothing to brag about. Take 20 guildies, go to EB, wipe every group not hiding behind ACs. Standard practise for most fight oriented guilds I would think.
SoR got burnt out trying to match BG and JQ’s coverage. It has a massive effect on server morale. There’s a lot of talk in BG now of similar things, now that we’re pulling massive overtime trying to match JQ and TC’s new found coverage from SOR.
LF Oceanic guild for BG? Haha
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What about when they held down SoRBL by themselves (with militia ofc) against queued zergs of BG and JQ…. at the same time?
It came to the point that SF and ICoa wouldn’t even step foot into SoRbl.
This is why SoR bl was the best for small fights. As long as you stepped slightly to the left when the SoR map blob ran by there were always tons of small groups running around looking for stuff. JQ was constantly outmanned there before leagues, despite having the overall numbers advantage server wise. Also you got to feel like a pro ganking all the SoR zerglings trying to catch up with their silly blob. Sometimes they would turn out to actually know how to fight which was usually fun. And then the BG that hung out there tended to be the better small scale peeps too. Ah, good times. Good times.
SoR’s rebuilding is gonna be extremely difficult. Most other servers that implode still have their militia, militia commanders and several smaller wvw guilds still around. For SoR, 90% of the militia were part of wvw guilds and all their militia commanders were in wvw guilds too. So SoR currently has no militia, militia commanders or smaller wvw guilds. Gonna be real tough.
What about when they held down SoRBL by themselves (with militia ofc) against queued zergs of BG and JQ…. at the same time?
It came to the point that SF and ICoa wouldn’t even step foot into SoRbl.
This is why SoR bl was the best for small fights. As long as you stepped slightly to the left when the SoR map blob ran by there were always tons of small groups running around looking for stuff. JQ was constantly outmanned there before leagues, despite having the overall numbers advantage server wise. Also you got to feel like a pro ganking all the SoR zerglings trying to catch up with their silly blob. Sometimes they would turn out to actually know how to fight which was usually fun. And then the BG that hung out there tended to be the better small scale peeps too. Ah, good times. Good times.
Yea. Only the smaller sized JQ guilds would ever come to SoR bl (SG, DA, Pro, vH before they died).
Yeah, generally because some of us only had a few hours to play at night (most ~2 ish) and didn’t want to spend the time banging our heads into T3 towers and keeps that nobody ever came out of. Wasn’t worth it. The only ‘fight’ we ever got was between our faces and an AC :P
What about when they held down SoRBL by themselves (with militia ofc) against queued zergs of BG and JQ…. at the same time?
It came to the point that SF and ICoa wouldn’t even step foot into SoRbl.
This is why SoR bl was the best for small fights. As long as you stepped slightly to the left when the SoR map blob ran by there were always tons of small groups running around looking for stuff. JQ was constantly outmanned there before leagues, despite having the overall numbers advantage server wise. Also you got to feel like a pro ganking all the SoR zerglings trying to catch up with their silly blob. Sometimes they would turn out to actually know how to fight which was usually fun. And then the BG that hung out there tended to be the better small scale peeps too. Ah, good times. Good times.
I’m gonna miss fighting jq not gonna lie. They by far have the biggest pug/militia out of any server. Dat squishy targets. No more heavy bag farm nights. All we have left is the memories.
SoR imploded when Blindo and the rest of [TW] Twerk Warriors left for SoS
Ran with them earlier, speaking of that. My god they’re good…really good. Kept wiping entire giant zergs of FA in Eternal like they were nothing. They know their stuff.
EB zergs are the worst zergs… It’s really nothing to brag about. Take 20 guildies, go to EB, wipe every group not hiding behind ACs. Standard practise for most fight oriented guilds I would think.
T2 EB is much different than T1 EB. BG and JQ guild groups avoided it for the most part. FA and Mag guild groups seem to actually gravitate towards it.
SoR imploded when Blindo and the rest of [TW] Twerk Warriors left for SoS
Ran with them earlier, speaking of that. My god they’re good…really good. Kept wiping entire giant zergs of FA in Eternal like they were nothing. They know their stuff.
EB zergs are the worst zergs… It’s really nothing to brag about. Take 20 guildies, go to EB, wipe every group not hiding behind ACs. Standard practise for most fight oriented guilds I would think.
T2 EB is much different than T1 EB. BG and JQ guild groups avoided it for the most part. FA and Mag guild groups seem to actually gravitate towards it.
This. You’d be surprised how many times you’ll see a full CL, Agg, etc guild groups there.
[hS]
PvE Main – Zar Poisonclaw – Daredevil
WvW Main – Ghost Mistcaller – Herald
SoR imploded when Blindo and the rest of [TW] Twerk Warriors left for SoS
Ran with them earlier, speaking of that. My god they’re good…really good. Kept wiping entire giant zergs of FA in Eternal like they were nothing. They know their stuff.
EB zergs are the worst zergs… It’s really nothing to brag about. Take 20 guildies, go to EB, wipe every group not hiding behind ACs. Standard practise for most fight oriented guilds I would think.
T2 EB is much different than T1 EB. BG and JQ guild groups avoided it for the most part. FA and Mag guild groups seem to actually gravitate towards it.
Reason is that EBG offers no decent terrain upon which to fight. Anywhere you go, it’s close to a tower, keep or castle for your opponents to run into to hide behind 5 ACs. Why would fight oriented guilds go to such a map is beyond me. Borderlands maps provide much more even terrain to fight on, for both large and small groups.
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Currently residing on SBI
SoR imploded when Blindo and the rest of [TW] Twerk Warriors left for SoS
Ran with them earlier, speaking of that. My god they’re good…really good. Kept wiping entire giant zergs of FA in Eternal like they were nothing. They know their stuff.
EB zergs are the worst zergs… It’s really nothing to brag about. Take 20 guildies, go to EB, wipe every group not hiding behind ACs. Standard practise for most fight oriented guilds I would think.
T2 EB is much different than T1 EB. BG and JQ guild groups avoided it for the most part. FA and Mag guild groups seem to actually gravitate towards it.
Reason is that EBG offers no decent terrain upon which to fight. Anywhere you go, it’s close to a tower, keep or castle for your opponents to run into to hide behind 5 ACs. Why would fight oriented guilds go to such a map is beyond me. Borderlands maps provide much more even terrain to fight on, for both large and small groups.
The area around Speldan and Anz is actually pretty fun to fight around. Huge open space with varying terrain. We had a big fight in the SoR/Mag/FA matchup the previous week that had orange swords popped fro 3-4 hours as guilds from all 3 servers slammed into eachother. It was fun. Plus the smallness of the map allows for quick respawning so you can get back to the fight.
SoR imploded when Blindo and the rest of [TW] Twerk Warriors left for SoS
Ran with them earlier, speaking of that. My god they’re good…really good. Kept wiping entire giant zergs of FA in Eternal like they were nothing. They know their stuff.
EB zergs are the worst zergs… It’s really nothing to brag about. Take 20 guildies, go to EB, wipe every group not hiding behind ACs. Standard practise for most fight oriented guilds I would think.
T2 EB is much different than T1 EB. BG and JQ guild groups avoided it for the most part. FA and Mag guild groups seem to actually gravitate towards it.
Reason is that EBG offers no decent terrain upon which to fight. Anywhere you go, it’s close to a tower, keep or castle for your opponents to run into to hide behind 5 ACs. Why would fight oriented guilds go to such a map is beyond me. Borderlands maps provide much more even terrain to fight on, for both large and small groups.
Well, a good fight group would know how to send some people behind their enemies to CC/static field them when they try to run away. EB has plenty of good fighting terrain, you just have to be smart and use things to your advantage.
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SoR imploded when Blindo and the rest of [TW] Twerk Warriors left for SoS
Ran with them earlier, speaking of that. My god they’re good…really good. Kept wiping entire giant zergs of FA in Eternal like they were nothing. They know their stuff.
Well in FA’s defense, TW also had a giant kittening zerg backing their 20-25. They even asked/forced other SoS guilds to help them push on guild groups. They sure know how to blob. TW also gets wiped in any situation where they don’t have back-up.
And you have the massive gall to say I talk about stuff I don’t know on other servers. No one “forces” anyone to do anything on SoS (they’d lose any and all respect immediately) and if any other guilds joined in on their fight, they were going there for the fight (something FA claims to do all the time).
SoR imploded when Blindo and the rest of [TW] Twerk Warriors left for SoS
Ran with them earlier, speaking of that. My god they’re good…really good. Kept wiping entire giant zergs of FA in Eternal like they were nothing. They know their stuff.
Well in FA’s defense, TW also had a giant kittening zerg backing their 20-25. They even asked/forced other SoS guilds to help them push on guild groups. They sure know how to blob. TW also gets wiped in any situation where they don’t have back-up.
And you have the massive gall to say I talk about stuff I don’t know on other servers. No one “forces” anyone to do anything on SoS (they’d lose any and all respect immediately) and if any other guilds joined in on their fight, they were going there for the fight (something FA claims to do all the time).
People from 2 guilds (ALL and DIE) that I know on SoS have said that TW demanded them to help fight a guild on FA. Once was on a BL and once was on EBG. So if they were lying to me I apologize, but considering I know my friends on those servers are legit I am more liable to trust them than some guy who tries to meddle in the affairs of other servers.
Hello, I’m just an average GW2 player, been on SoR since day 1 and don’t plan on going anywhere. I consider myself a so-so WvWer, definitely nothing special. During SoR’s time in the top tiers, I got to fight alongside and against some amazing WvWers, I learned a ton and for that I’m really grateful. I got to see some amazing ‘How the kitten did they pull that off?’ maneuvers from many different guilds and commanders.
Sure, there was some friction now and then, misunderstandings and such. But they were usually quickly forgotten when the actual battle started. But things got, I don’t know “weird”, a bit before season 1 started.
I’m only 1 person and this is only 1 incident. It was a Saturday night, things looked hopping . I popped into a borderland and a small group of players was putting together a havoc squad, so I joined up with them. We weren’t all in the same guild, so I guess that means we were the dreaded “pugs”. Our spokesperson asked in map chat, if the commander would like us do anything specific, then asked again. No answer. So off we go.
We slapped a few dolyaks, picked off reinforcements, and took a supply camp. The commander was attacking garrison, we asked in map if they wanted us to join up with them. This time one of the members of the group that was on TS asked there as well. Still no answer. We go ahead and take a 2nd supply camp after they capture garrison and this exchange takes place.
Map: Hey are you guys that took Stargrove a guild group?
Us: No
Map: Are you in TS?
Us: 2 of us are
Map: Could you guys leave this bl so [blank] can get in?
Us: Why?
Map: You’re not following the commander’s orders and we’re trying to win here.
We asked for orders and didn’t get any. So on our own we stopped supply and reinforcements from getting to garrison during the attack and took 1 fully upgraded supply camp. And we weren’t trying to win? My logic circuits fried at that point, so I said goodbye to my group and logged out (for quite some time actually).
Again this is just one incident, and it may have been very isolated. But that’s what I mean when things seemed to get ‘weird’ for me.
Best of luck to all the guilds that have migrated away and I hope you have a blast wherever you land. Because isn’t the point of playing GW2 to have fun?
(Sorry for Wall o’ text)
Good hunting
wow, that incident was pretty bad, if there were more like that i guess SoR deserved to be where it is at right now.
I was on SoR from Nov 2012 to April 2013 before transferred to TC, so I was there when SoR was fighting to get into T1 and remembered all the tough match up resets against BG. I still remember Indo’s speech:
That was great moment in time, I just cant believe how the “elitism” got so out of control against the PUGs. I still dont like BG, I guess one thing is right about them, they welcome all those that wants to WvW, whether in a WvW guild or just random PUGs.
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Reason is that EBG offers no decent terrain upon which to fight. Anywhere you go, it’s close to a tower, keep or castle for your opponents to run into to hide behind 5 ACs.
This is different from the Borderlands how exactly?
Reason is that EBG offers no decent terrain upon which to fight. Anywhere you go, it’s close to a tower, keep or castle for your opponents to run into to hide behind 5 ACs.
This is different from the Borderlands how exactly?
Much more open space on the borderlands. Fights in camps very rarely go all the way back to towers and keeps (a few fights have gone from NW/SW camp to Bay keep, and a few fights have gone from SE camp to SE tower/Hills keep, very rare). Fights in open field generally means just that. “Open field”. Unless you build open field ACs…
There’s so little room in EBG to allow for actual open field fights without a tower right next to you backing you up with ACs. Except in the Mercenary camps (hello NPC rally bot) and a few spots on the north of the map, EBG is packed with towers, often sieged to the max.
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Beastgate | Faerie Law
Currently residing on SBI
SoR imploded when Blindo and the rest of [TW] Twerk Warriors left for SoS
Ran with them earlier, speaking of that. My god they’re good…really good. Kept wiping entire giant zergs of FA in Eternal like they were nothing. They know their stuff.
Well in FA’s defense, TW also had a giant kittening zerg backing their 20-25. They even asked/forced other SoS guilds to help them push on guild groups. They sure know how to blob. TW also gets wiped in any situation where they don’t have back-up.
And you have the massive gall to say I talk about stuff I don’t know on other servers. No one “forces” anyone to do anything on SoS (they’d lose any and all respect immediately) and if any other guilds joined in on their fight, they were going there for the fight (something FA claims to do all the time).
People from 2 guilds (ALL and DIE) that I know on SoS have said that TW demanded them to help fight a guild on FA. Once was on a BL and once was on EBG. So if they were lying to me I apologize, but considering I know my friends on those servers are legit I am more liable to trust them than some guy who tries to meddle in the affairs of other servers.
So you’re some guy trying to meddle in the affairs of other servers who isnt open to trusting in some other guy trying to meddle in the affairs of another server.
Given you’re no different than your standard, maybe you should have cut your losses and never opened your mouth to begin with.
wow, that incident was pretty bad, if there were more like that i guess SoR deserved to be where it is at right now.
It was pointed out to me that other people in map chat told that person off, but I had logged off rather quickly. The people that told the loud mouth off is generally the type of player you’ll find on SoR, not the loud mouth.
Back in the early days Sanctum of Rall was known as a fun server to fight against, there were posts on the forums from other servers telling us how much fun the match was. We weren’t a big threat or anything, we just tried to have fun out there. I think that’s where we are headed to now as a server. WvW isn’t a job or real war, it’s meant to be fun. So enjoy yourselves and have a blast out there.
Please let me state that I mean no disrespect here to the guilds or players that migrated to or from SoR. As I said in an earlier post, I really appreciate all you did in making SoR the truly formidable server we were in WvW and I learned tons of great info from you that helped me improve as a WvWer. Seriously, thanks to you all.
Good hunting
Thudden Bluhndr, the lost Norn
Sanctum of Rall
[GSCH] The Gaiscioch Family
TW left for SoS, Choo left for TC, and IRON left a few months ago. These were the primary SoR guilds that kept their PPT alive. In the last few weeks, Choo was “playing for fights” and it was pretty obvious they would transfer soon. I’m sure they wanted to transfer to TC so they could stay in T1 without having to join BG or JQ (who probably don’t have room or respect for them).
Its kind of sad to see SoR drop from T1 and all the guilds move around but now TC is in the mix and we’ll see how things play out.
I once got QQ’d SO HARD by MULTIPLE PEOPLE at for saying i play the game for fun. after i pointed out i wouldnt like to stand in a camp for 5 hours to defend off the lone enemy here and there.
Hello, I’m just an average GW2 player, been on SoR since day 1 and don’t plan on going anywhere. I consider myself a so-so WvWer, definitely nothing special. During SoR’s time in the top tiers, I got to fight alongside and against some amazing WvWers, I learned a ton and for that I’m really grateful. I got to see some amazing ‘How the kitten did they pull that off?’ maneuvers from many different guilds and commanders.
Sure, there was some friction now and then, misunderstandings and such. But they were usually quickly forgotten when the actual battle started. But things got, I don’t know “weird”, a bit before season 1 started.
I’m only 1 person and this is only 1 incident. It was a Saturday night, things looked hopping . I popped into a borderland and a small group of players was putting together a havoc squad, so I joined up with them. We weren’t all in the same guild, so I guess that means we were the dreaded “pugs”. Our spokesperson asked in map chat, if the commander would like us do anything specific, then asked again. No answer. So off we go.
We slapped a few dolyaks, picked off reinforcements, and took a supply camp. The commander was attacking garrison, we asked in map if they wanted us to join up with them. This time one of the members of the group that was on TS asked there as well. Still no answer. We go ahead and take a 2nd supply camp after they capture garrison and this exchange takes place.
Map: Hey are you guys that took Stargrove a guild group?
Us: No
Map: Are you in TS?
Us: 2 of us are
Map: Could you guys leave this bl so [blank] can get in?
Us: Why?
Map: You’re not following the commander’s orders and we’re trying to win here.
We asked for orders and didn’t get any. So on our own we stopped supply and reinforcements from getting to garrison during the attack and took 1 fully upgraded supply camp. And we weren’t trying to win? My logic circuits fried at that point, so I said goodbye to my group and logged out (for quite some time actually).
Again this is just one incident, and it may have been very isolated. But that’s what I mean when things seemed to get ‘weird’ for me.
Best of luck to all the guilds that have migrated away and I hope you have a blast wherever you land. Because isn’t the point of playing GW2 to have fun?
(Sorry for Wall o’ text)
Good hunting
wow, that incident was pretty bad, if there were more like that i guess SoR deserved to be where it is at right now.
I was on SoR from Nov 2012 to April 2013 before transferred to TC, so I was there when SoR was fighting to get into T1 and remembered all the tough match up resets against BG. I still remember Indo’s speech:
That was great moment in time, I just cant believe how the “elitism” got so out of control against the PUGs. I still dont like BG, I guess one thing is right about them, they welcome all those that wants to WvW, whether in a WvW guild or just random PUGs.
‘Elitism’ was never an issue until IRON showed up. TW and FEAR were always full of arrogant players but it didn’t matter back in the day. Indo and Ace put hundreds of hours into training commanders and guilds. They were excellent leaders especially in the open field and everyone respected them.
But things changed when IRON showed up. It stopped being a server effort to climb to the top and it became about which guild could farm the most bags/kills. Everyone who wasn’t in one of those guilds got kitten on and ignored. I can’t count the number of times we lost T3 keeps and towers because people were off fighting in same random corner on the map.
SoR imploded when Blindo and the rest of [TW] Twerk Warriors left for SoS
Ran with them earlier, speaking of that. My god they’re good…really good. Kept wiping entire giant zergs of FA in Eternal like they were nothing. They know their stuff.
Well in FA’s defense, TW also had a giant kittening zerg backing their 20-25. They even asked/forced other SoS guilds to help them push on guild groups. They sure know how to blob. TW also gets wiped in any situation where they don’t have back-up.
And you have the massive gall to say I talk about stuff I don’t know on other servers. No one “forces” anyone to do anything on SoS (they’d lose any and all respect immediately) and if any other guilds joined in on their fight, they were going there for the fight (something FA claims to do all the time).
People from 2 guilds (ALL and DIE) that I know on SoS have said that TW demanded them to help fight a guild on FA. Once was on a BL and once was on EBG. So if they were lying to me I apologize, but considering I know my friends on those servers are legit I am more liable to trust them than some guy who tries to meddle in the affairs of other servers.
I’m not denying that TW made the request, or even that they made it that way “sounds fishy though”.
What I’m contesting is that they would have even answered if TW “demanded” their cooperation.
DIE in particular wouldn’t put up with that, despite having a long time partnership with TW from SoR days.
Back in the early days Sanctum of Rall was known as a fun server to fight against, there were posts on the forums from other servers telling us how much fun the match was. We weren’t a big threat or anything, we just tried to have fun out there. I think that’s where we are headed to now as a server. WvW isn’t a job or real war, it’s meant to be fun. So enjoy yourselves and have a blast out there.
Normally i’d believe that too if not everyone moved away. And with everyone, i mean all the WvW guilds are literally gone. In the early days SoR had WvW guilds that made the difference (Choo, TW, Caedas and such). I wouldn’t be surprised if SoR moves down eventually to tier 6 or even tier 7 because with no real WvW presence, it’s really hard to get new WvW guilds to your server when the general WvW population is going down so rapidly.
We understand what you are going through, SoR. And this week is kind of fun, since it is the battle of the servers that have had a mass exodus recently.
It seems your exodus was worse than ours. We are somehow hanging onto our spot in t3 at the moment, but it seems we are back to our core group that was with us (minus some players) from when we were a t4 server.
SoR is dropping, not because they don’t play PPT, but because they just don’t have the numbers anymore. After all, WvW is all about numbers (just like real war is).
