Guild Wars 2

Andrew Clear.1750:

After all, WvW is all about numbers (just like real war is).

Very off topic, but real war is about politics. Not numbers.

SoR always had the numbers in T1, but never where they should’ve been. IRON was the most dominant force in SoR for months on end and was responsible for SoR’s first win in T1, but couldn’t hack it when they had some competition from ZDs and COIN. To be fair, their main commander was hospitalised during this period and this affected IRON greatly. They went from fielding their usual 50+ down to 20-30 in this period. This led to PPT bleeding out during EU, which started causing tension with the NA guilds, I believe.

The rest as they say, is history.

Reverence.6915:

Andrew Clear.1750:

After all, WvW is all about numbers (just like real war is).

Very off topic, but real war is about politics. Not numbers.

SoR always had the numbers in T1, but never where they should’ve been. IRON was the most dominant force in SoR for months on end and was responsible for SoR’s first win in T1, but couldn’t hack it when they had some competition from ZDs and COIN. To be fair, their main commander was hospitalised during this period and this affected IRON greatly. They went from fielding their usual 50+ down to 20-30 in this period. This led to PPT bleeding out during EU, which started causing tension with the NA guilds, I believe.

The rest as they say, is history.

They have never fielded 50. I don’t know ANY guild that can field over 40 on a consistent basis.

Vespirisa.1497:

They have never fielded 50. I don’t know ANY guild that can field over 40 on a consistent basis.

IRON used to near queue a map by themselves – they used to start raiding during mid-late Oceanic with 20-30, peaking late SEA~mid EU prime at 50ish. There are a lot of T1 guilds able to do that. WvW in JQ is able to queue a map and then some, if all their members rep (a lot of cross-rep with Ge and ATM). CERN/PINK/ZzZz etc. are able to do that in TC if they rep one guild (I was told that there’s a lot of cross-repping involved, please correct me if I’m wrong). AoI and ND in BG can field huge numbers as well, with GoF, iCoa and KnT regularly fielding 30-40 and 40+ on reset night.

Hell, even TW and Choo used to field 40+

SoR is going through exactly what happened to SoS and SBI when they left T1.
For those that are preaching gloom and doom, remember that the few who remain are veterans of high tier combat and even the PvX folks there should have a high skill cap for their PuGs.
I predict Tier 5 as he “landing zone” due to DB’s T3 dominance and I don’t think there are enough OCX and SEA left to deal with IoJ. Once you land, it’s rebuild time.

If FA’s current trajectory fails to improve maybe you can get FEAR and RET back?

Reverence.6915:

IRON used to near queue a map by themselves – they used to start raiding during mid-late Oceanic with 20-30, peaking late SEA~mid EU prime at 50ish.

Wat.

My server has 20-30 people. On a good day we have 40-50. For all our maps. On our non-coverage hours we number 10-20 or less. NSP. Yet we can fight 60-70 zerg armies, 100+ map combined. We use TS. We encourage players to come in to assist. We tag up when there are no leaders, so main commanders do not become burned out, and in the process, some new commanders emerge, like me. And we are often outnumbered, but we are USED to it. That means we can fight as a cohesive group. We have blobs sometimes, but we tell the blob what to do. Each member has a special tactic they can do, and use their class well. We have strike teams that peel off to take camps. We have diversion teams who tap waypoints. We have pride. NSP pride.

Chris.3290:

For those that are preaching gloom and doom, remember that the few who remain are veterans of high tier combat and even the PvX folks there should have a high skill cap for their PuGs.

This sort of thing always makes me laugh. “High Tier Combat” in gw2 is two huge blobs with matching zerg-friendly setups smashing into each other and hoping their abilities work. The fights in the less populated servers actually depend a lot more on individual skill and build diversity. Being a veteran of “high tier combat” is actually an impediment in this game. You see it all the time in “high tiers” with players who can accomplish nothing without a blob at their back.

Also a lot of people seem to be ignoring that the tier system is based 100% on ppt and nothing else. A server can have an absolutely dominant force when their players are awake in one time zone but if they don’t have anything else they’ll lose to a mediocre server with round the clock coverage. It doesn’t reflect who wins fights or who has numbers at any particular time.

UndeadCorp.2198:

My server has 20-30 people. On a good day we have 40-50. For all our maps. On our non-coverage hours we number 10-20 or less. NSP. Yet we can fight 60-70 zerg armies, 100+ map combined. We use TS. We encourage players to come in to assist. We tag up when there are no leaders, so main commanders do not become burned out, and in the process, some new commanders emerge, like me. And we are often outnumbered, but we are USED to it. That means we can fight as a cohesive group. We have blobs sometimes, but we tell the blob what to do. Each member has a special tactic they can do, and use their class well. We have strike teams that peel off to take camps. We have diversion teams who tap waypoints. We have pride. NSP pride.

That’s not even remotely close to true… Your server, I have witnessed, field 2-3 zergs of 30-40 each (easily). OS and Zos will together, alone, easily build a 40 man zerg, and then you have your super dominant (for our tier) eb zerg of around that size as well (bare minimum). This is the reality I faced against you every night during primetime. You’re a very zergy server. Dh is too, but we don’t hide from that fact.

Prysin.8542:

actually, this is the 10th person this weekend that states that about TW and IRON. Sure it may not have been as bad as potrayed above, but you know what, if 10 different people say the same, there is usually some truth to it. One of the guys who told me moved from NA to EU (despite living in the US) to get away from T1/T2 verbal abuse.

Iron used to be on desolation EU. They were quite elitist idd. Once, I needed to open only one present and fight 5 toys to get my quest done (whatever it was), and so when I found in present in wvwvw I opened it, after following the commander in a way I should spontaniously be married to him, yet when I went to kill those toys for five minutes I immediately got flamed from top to bottom. That including a warning I would be kicked from the guild for speaking up for myself. *
I also was not really allowed to play anything else than a guardian, or I would be flamed. If you read their forum you can see they want total licking from you, or you can beat it.

I stopped playing guildwars at all, as wvwvw was about the one thing I bought this game for. They moved from the server, leaving all the other guilds to bloom. I’m glad I’m back because we have a very pug-friendly server now, with lovely voice chat and lots of people with music bots.
We are not doing t1 well, ofcourse, but I’m enjoying the game a lot, and many with me. I would like to thank the commanders who take their time to lead pug groups.

I learned a lot from Iron’s playstyle… but I learned even more so from their attitude.

Note: This is my experience, and those that enjoy(ed) that guild are ofcourse not wrong to do so.

edit:* that is, just saying I only needed 5 more toys, not flaming or swearing ofcourse. And when I got flamed I stated I had been there for two hours following them every second. That’s what I got the warning for.

The moment IRON move to SoR months ago, i avoid WvW like the plague. i knew this day would be coming. It is time to rebuild SoR back to the once we used to love.

Retsuko.2035:

Normally i’d believe that too if not everyone moved away. And with everyone, i mean all the WvW guilds are literally gone. In the early days SoR had WvW guilds that made the difference (Choo, TW, Caedas and such). I wouldn’t be surprised if SoR moves down eventually to tier 6 or even tier 7 because with no real WvW presence, it’s really hard to get new WvW guilds to your server when the general WvW population is going down so rapidly.

In the early days I am speaking of, we were ranked #17 or below, which is tier 6 or 7. The server was starting to come together and find our footing in the GW2 world, heck WvW still had orbs back then. EPIC and CDS were a really big presence in WvW for us. There were other guilds specializing in WvW, but I remember EPIC and CDS because their commanders Mara and Miasmic were a near constant presence in WvW, (Thank you, Kyro and Retsu for straightening me out on that) and there were some very good commanders and smaller guilds running around too.

Yes, it may be difficult to get new people transferring here while server situation is in a state of flux. I think our first steps in stabilizing our WvW presence, is awakening the dormant WvW population of the server and re-engaging the lapsed WvWers. Sure, this may not mean huge numbers or send us shooting up through the tiers, but it is important to start at home for us.

Arius.7031:

UndeadCorp.2198:

My server has 20-30 people. On a good day we have 40-50. For all our maps. On our non-coverage hours we number 10-20 or less. NSP. Yet we can fight 60-70 zerg armies, 100+ map combined. We use TS. We encourage players to come in to assist. We tag up when there are no leaders, so main commanders do not become burned out, and in the process, some new commanders emerge, like me. And we are often outnumbered, but we are USED to it. That means we can fight as a cohesive group. We have blobs sometimes, but we tell the blob what to do. Each member has a special tactic they can do, and use their class well. We have strike teams that peel off to take camps. We have diversion teams who tap waypoints. We have pride. NSP pride.

That’s not even remotely close to true… Your server, I have witnessed, field 2-3 zergs of 30-40 each (easily). OS and Zos will together, alone, easily build a 40 man zerg, and then you have your super dominant (for our tier) eb zerg of around that size as well (bare minimum). This is the reality I faced against you every night during primetime. You’re a very zergy server. Dh is too, but we don’t hide from that fact.

We have outnumbered very often when we were versing you guys :o But yes Zergs exist Guess we are on diff times XD
And plus you beat us for 5 weeks, then we beat you for 2 >:3 so it’s all fine and dandy

Bharel.4328:

Retsuko.2035:

Normally i’d believe that too if not everyone moved away. And with everyone, i mean all the WvW guilds are literally gone. In the early days SoR had WvW guilds that made the difference (Choo, TW, Caedas and such). I wouldn’t be surprised if SoR moves down eventually to tier 6 or even tier 7 because with no real WvW presence, it’s really hard to get new WvW guilds to your server when the general WvW population is going down so rapidly.

In the early days I am speaking of, we were ranked #17 or below, which is tier 6 or 7. The server was starting to come together and find our footing in the GW2 world, heck WvW still had orbs back then. Caedas was a really big presence in WvW for us. There were other guilds specializing in WvW, but I specifically remember CDS because their commander Mara was a near constant presence in WvW and quite a good commander at that.

Yes, it may be difficult to get new people transferring here while server situation is in a state of flux. I think our first steps in stabilizing our WvW presence, is awakening the dormant WvW population of the server and re-engaging the lapsed WvWers. Sure, this may not mean huge numbers or send us shooting up through the tiers, but it is important to start at home for us.

commander Mara was from the guild EPIC. CDS had I think it was Alpeca Owl.

kyro.8162:

commander Mara was from the guild EPIC. CDS had I think it was Alpeca Owl.

Wow, my memory really is shot. You’re right, of course, thanks for pointing it out. So, I remembered CDS and forgot Alpaca Owl and remembered Mara and forgot EPIC, sounds about right for me. I’ll go ahead and correct my post.
Just remember a mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Bharel.4328:

Retsuko.2035:

Normally i’d believe that too if not everyone moved away. And with everyone, i mean all the WvW guilds are literally gone. In the early days SoR had WvW guilds that made the difference (Choo, TW, Caedas and such). I wouldn’t be surprised if SoR moves down eventually to tier 6 or even tier 7 because with no real WvW presence, it’s really hard to get new WvW guilds to your server when the general WvW population is going down so rapidly.

In the early days I am speaking of, we were ranked #17 or below, which is tier 6 or 7. The server was starting to come together and find our footing in the GW2 world, heck WvW still had orbs back then. Caedas was a really big presence in WvW for us. There were other guilds specializing in WvW, but I specifically remember CDS because their commander Alpaca Owl was a near constant presence in WvW as was Mara from EPIC (Thank you, Kyro for straightening me out on that) and they were quite good commanders at that.

Yes, it may be difficult to get new people transferring here while server situation is in a state of flux. I think our first steps in stabilizing our WvW presence, is awakening the dormant WvW population of the server and re-engaging the lapsed WvWers. Sure, this may not mean huge numbers or send us shooting up through the tiers, but it is important to start at home for us.

That is probably your best bet as server, to get everyone else active.

I remember alpaca Owl, wasn’t he in Choo though?
Miasmic Spiritsong was the commander for Caedas. I was in CDS at that time, when Miasmic left the game it was kinda done with CDS in WvW as guild.

UndeadCorp.2198:

Arius.7031:

UndeadCorp.2198:

My server has 20-30 people. On a good day we have 40-50. For all our maps. On our non-coverage hours we number 10-20 or less. NSP. Yet we can fight 60-70 zerg armies, 100+ map combined. We use TS. We encourage players to come in to assist. We tag up when there are no leaders, so main commanders do not become burned out, and in the process, some new commanders emerge, like me. And we are often outnumbered, but we are USED to it. That means we can fight as a cohesive group. We have blobs sometimes, but we tell the blob what to do. Each member has a special tactic they can do, and use their class well. We have strike teams that peel off to take camps. We have diversion teams who tap waypoints. We have pride. NSP pride.

That’s not even remotely close to true… Your server, I have witnessed, field 2-3 zergs of 30-40 each (easily). OS and Zos will together, alone, easily build a 40 man zerg, and then you have your super dominant (for our tier) eb zerg of around that size as well (bare minimum). This is the reality I faced against you every night during primetime. You’re a very zergy server. Dh is too, but we don’t hide from that fact.

We have outnumbered very often when we were versing you guys :o But yes Zergs exist Guess we are on diff times XD
And plus you beat us for 5 weeks, then we beat you for 2 >:3 so it’s all fine and dandy

Hey I fully admit Dh is a zergy server… nsp is too though, that’s my point. I have no problem with zergs, just people who pretend they aren’t what they are.

Edit: Just as a sample of what I’m talking about, we consistently had outnumbered in our home bl every single reset from NSP. Only other server in all of bronze that could do that to us was SF (as a reminder, they’re considered the biggest zergball in bronze).

Retsuko.2035:

Bharel.4328:

Retsuko.2035:

Normally i’d believe that too if not everyone moved away. And with everyone, i mean all the WvW guilds are literally gone. In the early days SoR had WvW guilds that made the difference (Choo, TW, Caedas and such). I wouldn’t be surprised if SoR moves down eventually to tier 6 or even tier 7 because with no real WvW presence, it’s really hard to get new WvW guilds to your server when the general WvW population is going down so rapidly.

In the early days I am speaking of, we were ranked #17 or below, which is tier 6 or 7. The server was starting to come together and find our footing in the GW2 world, heck WvW still had orbs back then. Caedas was a really big presence in WvW for us. There were other guilds specializing in WvW, but I specifically remember CDS because their commander Alpaca Owl was a near constant presence in WvW as was Mara from EPIC (Thank you, Kyro for straightening me out on that) and they were quite good commanders at that.

Yes, it may be difficult to get new people transferring here while server situation is in a state of flux. I think our first steps in stabilizing our WvW presence, is awakening the dormant WvW population of the server and re-engaging the lapsed WvWers. Sure, this may not mean huge numbers or send us shooting up through the tiers, but it is important to start at home for us.

That is probably your best bet as server, to get everyone else active.

I remember alpaca Owl, wasn’t he in Choo though?
Miasmic Spiritsong was the commander for Caedas. I was in CDS at that time, when Miasmic left the game it was kinda done with CDS in WvW as guild.

What you’ll really remember of Alpaca Owl was that he was part of SoR’s day 1 militia, and there’s a number of names that could be listed you’d remember. I keep reading people talking about SoR going back to what it was. Sorry to burst the bubble, but what SoR once was was made up by those early day 1’rs, and the corresponding competitive guilds that joined later to push SoR right up the tiers. It’s not just that the guilds have left SoR now, but that core day 1 militia (many of who joined various guilds), either put down the game a long time ago, or have moved off the server also. Those players who fought for the server every day, were present in TS every day, chatted and made up the community, they’ve almost all moved on (or have no one to log in to TS for anymore). “SoR” is nothing but the name of a server somewhere. The community has mass migrated, either leaving the game, or fighting on other servers.

SoR, and I mean the Rallians who played and made the server, will never return. It’s gone, and those Rallians have taken their game with them. To those who’re left on the server, if you want to have fun go make it, but don’t delude yourself into thinking some great return of the old days will come. It never will.

Reverence.6915:

Vespirisa.1497:

They have never fielded 50. I don’t know ANY guild that can field over 40 on a consistent basis.

IRON used to near queue a map by themselves – they used to start raiding during mid-late Oceanic with 20-30, peaking late SEA~mid EU prime at 50ish. There are a lot of T1 guilds able to do that. WvW in JQ is able to queue a map and then some, if all their members rep (a lot of cross-rep with Ge and ATM). CERN/PINK/ZzZz etc. are able to do that in TC if they rep one guild (I was told that there’s a lot of cross-repping involved, please correct me if I’m wrong). AoI and ND in BG can field huge numbers as well, with GoF, iCoa and KnT regularly fielding 30-40 and 40+ on reset night.

Hell, even TW and Choo used to field 40+

You’d be tolerable to listen to if you had your facts somewhat close to the truth.

I was actually looking for a change of pace dropping tiers. However, they are pretty much the same. Every server blobs around the map in karma trains. I find less 1 on 1 battles in the lower tiers than I did in tier 1.

Ljiona.9142:

I was actually looking for a change of pace dropping tiers. However, they are pretty much the same. Every server blobs around the map in karma trains. I find less 1 on 1 battles in the lower tiers than I did in tier 1.

I too was very much looking forward dropping to lower tiers so that I could solo roam more efficiently. I was never a big zerg player (nor were most players of my guild in general—we’re more sPvP than WvW), and generally preferred, if partying up, participating in small-scale engagements with other players running with 1-2 other players from my guild.

If there is a silver lining to all of this, it appears to me that Dragonbrand is pretty much the last high-coverage server on the list. SBI is only 9K ahead of us on the scoreboard.

Reverence.6915:

Andrew Clear.1750:

After all, WvW is all about numbers (just like real war is).

Very off topic, but real war is about politics. Not numbers.

SoR always had the numbers in T1, but never where they should’ve been. IRON was the most dominant force in SoR for months on end and was responsible for SoR’s first win in T1, but couldn’t hack it when they had some competition from ZDs and COIN. To be fair, their main commander was hospitalised during this period and this affected IRON greatly. They went from fielding their usual 50+ down to 20-30 in this period. This led to PPT bleeding out during EU, which started causing tension with the NA guilds, I believe.

The rest as they say, is history.

Iron didnt have competition? You mean when sor had only IRON for EU guild and bg had hb/coin/ and whatever that whiny waage guy’s guild?

Yep no competition.

Also I havn’t seen ANY guild field over 40 in about a year now.

Ross Biddle.2367:

What you’ll really remember of Alpaca Owl was that he was part of SoR’s day 1 militia, and there’s a number of names that could be listed you’d remember. I keep reading people talking about SoR going back to what it was. Sorry to burst the bubble, but what SoR once was was made up by those early day 1’rs, and the corresponding competitive guilds that joined later to push SoR right up the tiers. It’s not just that the guilds have left SoR now, but that core day 1 militia (many of who joined various guilds), either put down the game a long time ago, or have moved off the server also. Those players who fought for the server every day, were present in TS every day, chatted and made up the community, they’ve almost all moved on (or have no one to log in to TS for anymore). “SoR” is nothing but the name of a server somewhere. The community has mass migrated, either leaving the game, or fighting on other servers.

SoR, and I mean the Rallians who played and made the server, will never return. It’s gone, and those Rallians have taken their game with them. To those who’re left on the server, if you want to have fun go make it, but don’t delude yourself into thinking some great return of the old days will come. It never will.

Ok, I have been trying to be extremely civil here, but this post kittened me off royally. If you will recall, many of those day 1 WvWers began fading away shortly after our ‘saviors’ swooped in and splatted on our server. One of the posts on the enjin forums the new arrivals set up and declared ‘official’, said – direct quote here, “They were going drag us kicking and screaming into Tier 1.” Sounds heavenly. Personally, I don’t want to be dragged kicking and screaming anywhere, even if the destination is great.

If they consider the Sanctum of Rall just a server name somewhere, they were never true ‘Rallians’ anyways. They were opportunists who squatted here and made some arbitrary number go up in a game mode stuck in a “Coverage uber alles” meta. Whoopie! Numbers don’t make communities, people do.

When the arbitrary number didn’t go up fast enough they locust-ed off elsewhere and blamed everyone left on SoR for not ‘supporting’ them. The server’s way forward is just now becoming visible that the miasma is finally starting to clear, and the people who are left are the true ‘Rallians’. They are here because they want to be, not because it might be the easiest place to make some number go up.

This does not apply to all, or even the majority of players, who migrated to or from the Sanctum of Rall. But you painted all of us ‘miserable wretches’ left on SoR with a pretty broad brush, so I felt inclined to do the same.

Sanduskel.1850:

EOTM much more enjoyable for many of us in imbalanced fights right now. why be miserable while playing?

True, While i havent spent much time in there, what little time i have spent seems to be worth it tenfold.

Never had so much fun with a ranger… LB w/piercing arrows and Wolf w/+50% condi duration trait is epic!!!

There are some things said I want to clear up about IRON

IRON destroyed Desolation

Yes, yes we did

IRON destroyed SoR

This one is a bit of a discussion really.
IRON left the server, big gap in EU timeslot
NA incompetence, big gap in NA timeslot
SEA/OCX low numbers compared to JQ/BG, big gap in SEA/OCX timeslot

You could say we had something to do with it

Reverence.6915:

IRON used to near queue a map by themselves

This one made me giggle. The lack of knowledge some people have about us.
IRON is a very, very big guild, with very active players. Not only did we queue A map, we queued all.. Including many PvE maps and Lion’s Arch. All on our own.
If another group wanted to come on a map, they had to pay us.. How on earth did you guys think our commanders could afford all those Superior Flame Rams for the wooden towers all over WvW

In all seriousness, we enjoy killing servers. We plan to kill all servers.
Gunnar’s Hold is in the works and we are already planning our next kill!

Be prepared!!

Leviathan.8029:

There are some things said I want to clear up about IRON

IRON destroyed Desolation

Yes, yes we did

IRON destroyed SoR

This one is a bit of a discussion really.
IRON left the server, big gap in EU timeslot
NA incompetence, big gap in NA timeslot
SEA/OCX low numbers compared to JQ/BG, big gap in SEA/OCX timeslot

You could say we had something to do with it

Reverence.6915:

IRON used to near queue a map by themselves

This one made me giggle. The lack of knowledge some people have about us.
IRON is a very, very big guild, with very active players. Not only did we queue A map, we queued all.. Including many PvE maps and Lion’s Arch. All on our own.
If another group wanted to come on a map, they had to pay us.. How on earth did you guys think our commanders could afford all those Superior Flame Rams for the wooden towers all over WvW

In all seriousness, we enjoy killing servers. We plan to kill all servers.
Gunnar’s Hold is in the works and we are already planning our next kill!

Be prepared!!

^ SOR being full of players like this is why SOR died. Can’t say I feel bad

I’m from SoR and it’s WvW is far from dead. The Rallian militia is generally made up of those who refused to commit to a particular hardcore guild anyway and they are just as experienced, stubborn and greedy for bags as ever but now have too few familiar tags to follow, making eotm a tempting if temporary option for them.

Lately though a lot of people who used to avoid WvW have started to get their feet wet and i’ve seen many old names which I haven’t seen in a long while stepping up to bat. The effectiveness and efficiency of the the hardcore guilds is sorely missed but SoR has a very good community from which to draw from for WvW and eventually we should be able to rebuild our numbers although coverage will now play a much larger role in which tier SoR will settle upon in the near future.

Jeff.5139:

I’m from SoR and it’s WvW is far from dead. The Rallian militia is generally made up of those who refused to commit to a particular hardcore guild anyway and they are just as experienced, stubborn and greedy for bags as ever but now have too few familiar tags to follow, making eotm a tempting if temporary option for them.

Lately though a lot of people who used to avoid WvW have started to get their feet wet and i’ve seen many old names which I haven’t seen in a long while stepping up to bat. The effectiveness and efficiency of the the hardcore guilds is sorely missed but SoR has a very good community from which to draw from for WvW and eventually we should be able to rebuild our numbers although coverage will now play a much larger role in which tier SoR will settle upon in the near future.

See? An honest take.

Arius.7031:

UndeadCorp.2198:

Arius.7031:

UndeadCorp.2198:

My server has 20-30 people. On a good day we have 40-50. For all our maps. On our non-coverage hours we number 10-20 or less. NSP. Yet we can fight 60-70 zerg armies, 100+ map combined. We use TS. We encourage players to come in to assist. We tag up when there are no leaders, so main commanders do not become burned out, and in the process, some new commanders emerge, like me. And we are often outnumbered, but we are USED to it. That means we can fight as a cohesive group. We have blobs sometimes, but we tell the blob what to do. Each member has a special tactic they can do, and use their class well. We have strike teams that peel off to take camps. We have diversion teams who tap waypoints. We have pride. NSP pride.

That’s not even remotely close to true… Your server, I have witnessed, field 2-3 zergs of 30-40 each (easily). OS and Zos will together, alone, easily build a 40 man zerg, and then you have your super dominant (for our tier) eb zerg of around that size as well (bare minimum). This is the reality I faced against you every night during primetime. You’re a very zergy server. Dh is too, but we don’t hide from that fact.

We have outnumbered very often when we were versing you guys :o But yes Zergs exist Guess we are on diff times XD
And plus you beat us for 5 weeks, then we beat you for 2 >:3 so it’s all fine and dandy

Hey I fully admit Dh is a zergy server… nsp is too though, that’s my point. I have no problem with zergs, just people who pretend they aren’t what they are.

Edit: Just as a sample of what I’m talking about, we consistently had outnumbered in our home bl every single reset from NSP. Only other server in all of bronze that could do that to us was SF (as a reminder, they’re considered the biggest zergball in bronze).

Actually that is a tossup between SF and DH.

Retsuko.2035:

I remember alpaca Owl, wasn’t he in Choo though?
Miasmic Spiritsong was the commander for Caedas. I was in CDS at that time, when Miasmic left the game it was kinda done with CDS in WvW as guild.

You are correct Alpaca Owl was in Choo (he wasn’t in the beginning, but he joined later on), I still remembered following him around every Saturday morning when I wake up for some WvW in SoR BL.

I was in Caedas and Miasmic was a great commander, friendly and motivational. He treated you like a friend instead of just another random player.

I hope SoR have some new leadership like those two, they really made the difference in the early days of SoR WvW scene, minus all the elitism attitude compare to other leaderships from the bigger WvW guilds.

King Amadaeus.8619:

Arius.7031:

UndeadCorp.2198:

Arius.7031:

UndeadCorp.2198:

My server has 20-30 people. On a good day we have 40-50. For all our maps. On our non-coverage hours we number 10-20 or less. NSP. Yet we can fight 60-70 zerg armies, 100+ map combined. We use TS. We encourage players to come in to assist. We tag up when there are no leaders, so main commanders do not become burned out, and in the process, some new commanders emerge, like me. And we are often outnumbered, but we are USED to it. That means we can fight as a cohesive group. We have blobs sometimes, but we tell the blob what to do. Each member has a special tactic they can do, and use their class well. We have strike teams that peel off to take camps. We have diversion teams who tap waypoints. We have pride. NSP pride.

That’s not even remotely close to true… Your server, I have witnessed, field 2-3 zergs of 30-40 each (easily). OS and Zos will together, alone, easily build a 40 man zerg, and then you have your super dominant (for our tier) eb zerg of around that size as well (bare minimum). This is the reality I faced against you every night during primetime. You’re a very zergy server. Dh is too, but we don’t hide from that fact.

We have outnumbered very often when we were versing you guys :o But yes Zergs exist Guess we are on diff times XD
And plus you beat us for 5 weeks, then we beat you for 2 >:3 so it’s all fine and dandy

Hey I fully admit Dh is a zergy server… nsp is too though, that’s my point. I have no problem with zergs, just people who pretend they aren’t what they are.

Edit: Just as a sample of what I’m talking about, we consistently had outnumbered in our home bl every single reset from NSP. Only other server in all of bronze that could do that to us was SF (as a reminder, they’re considered the biggest zergball in bronze).

Actually that is a tossup between SF and DH.

No, it’s really not lol. You’re not in SF anymore, how do you know? I directly ask people from FC (have many friends from it) and they all say SF is zergier by a country mile.

Arius.7031:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Arius.7031:

UndeadCorp.2198:

Arius.7031:

UndeadCorp.2198:

My server has 20-30 people. On a good day we have 40-50. For all our maps. On our non-coverage hours we number 10-20 or less. NSP. Yet we can fight 60-70 zerg armies, 100+ map combined. We use TS. We encourage players to come in to assist. We tag up when there are no leaders, so main commanders do not become burned out, and in the process, some new commanders emerge, like me. And we are often outnumbered, but we are USED to it. That means we can fight as a cohesive group. We have blobs sometimes, but we tell the blob what to do. Each member has a special tactic they can do, and use their class well. We have strike teams that peel off to take camps. We have diversion teams who tap waypoints. We have pride. NSP pride.

That’s not even remotely close to true… Your server, I have witnessed, field 2-3 zergs of 30-40 each (easily). OS and Zos will together, alone, easily build a 40 man zerg, and then you have your super dominant (for our tier) eb zerg of around that size as well (bare minimum). This is the reality I faced against you every night during primetime. You’re a very zergy server. Dh is too, but we don’t hide from that fact.

We have outnumbered very often when we were versing you guys :o But yes Zergs exist Guess we are on diff times XD
And plus you beat us for 5 weeks, then we beat you for 2 >:3 so it’s all fine and dandy

Hey I fully admit Dh is a zergy server… nsp is too though, that’s my point. I have no problem with zergs, just people who pretend they aren’t what they are.

Edit: Just as a sample of what I’m talking about, we consistently had outnumbered in our home bl every single reset from NSP. Only other server in all of bronze that could do that to us was SF (as a reminder, they’re considered the biggest zergball in bronze).

Actually that is a tossup between SF and DH.

No, it’s really not lol. You’re not in SF anymore, how do you know? I directly ask people from FC (have many friends from it) and they all say SF is zergier by a country mile.

Played on SF Saturday night, and no SF is no more zergy than DH from what I saw the last SF/DH matchup a few weeks back. 10 of us spawn camped FC on EB while pugmander capped their keep.

I wouldn’t trust much that FC has to say tbh, when they beat SF in scoreboard wars its “where’s the zerg nao hahaha” when they lose its “WTF STAHP ZERGING”….Also FC ran some of the biggest map zergs I have seen (short of SF and DH)…Granted it was pretty much their whole pop blobbed into one ball, but still zergy nonetheless.

Heh, CDS. Those were the days.

“WvW – Defending Bay SBI map against 2 servers”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYRhBIAg5fE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOxv38aBA3M

edit: Just watched it. Doesn’t quite show the epicness of that whole battle. 2 hours holding a swiss cheese Bay against SBI and TC assaults. If you were there and remember it it was fantastic. One of the great days in my GW2 time.

Mattargul.9235:

Heh, CDS. Those were the days.

“WvW – Defending Bay SBI map against 2 servers”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYRhBIAg5fE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOxv38aBA3M

edit: Just watched it. Doesn’t quite show the epicness of that whole battle. 2 hours holding a swiss cheese Bay against SBI and TC assaults. If you were there and remember it it was fantastic. One of the great days in my GW2 time.

Awesome vids from miasmic
So many names i still recognize! Only a few CDS i know I still see in WvW now and have transfered to TC, like Aurust, Kayku, Raes, Crom, Faal and Fudge. I wonder what happened to the majority i saw on the vids.

King Amadaeus.8619:

Arius.7031:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Arius.7031:

UndeadCorp.2198:

Arius.7031:

UndeadCorp.2198:

My server has 20-30 people. On a good day we have 40-50. For all our maps. On our non-coverage hours we number 10-20 or less. NSP. Yet we can fight 60-70 zerg armies, 100+ map combined. We use TS. We encourage players to come in to assist. We tag up when there are no leaders, so main commanders do not become burned out, and in the process, some new commanders emerge, like me. And we are often outnumbered, but we are USED to it. That means we can fight as a cohesive group. We have blobs sometimes, but we tell the blob what to do. Each member has a special tactic they can do, and use their class well. We have strike teams that peel off to take camps. We have diversion teams who tap waypoints. We have pride. NSP pride.

That’s not even remotely close to true… Your server, I have witnessed, field 2-3 zergs of 30-40 each (easily). OS and Zos will together, alone, easily build a 40 man zerg, and then you have your super dominant (for our tier) eb zerg of around that size as well (bare minimum). This is the reality I faced against you every night during primetime. You’re a very zergy server. Dh is too, but we don’t hide from that fact.

We have outnumbered very often when we were versing you guys :o But yes Zergs exist Guess we are on diff times XD
And plus you beat us for 5 weeks, then we beat you for 2 >:3 so it’s all fine and dandy

Hey I fully admit Dh is a zergy server… nsp is too though, that’s my point. I have no problem with zergs, just people who pretend they aren’t what they are.

Edit: Just as a sample of what I’m talking about, we consistently had outnumbered in our home bl every single reset from NSP. Only other server in all of bronze that could do that to us was SF (as a reminder, they’re considered the biggest zergball in bronze).

Actually that is a tossup between SF and DH.

No, it’s really not lol. You’re not in SF anymore, how do you know? I directly ask people from FC (have many friends from it) and they all say SF is zergier by a country mile.

Played on SF Saturday night, and no SF is no more zergy than DH from what I saw the last SF/DH matchup a few weeks back. 10 of us spawn camped FC on EB while pugmander capped their keep.

I wouldn’t trust much that FC has to say tbh, when they beat SF in scoreboard wars its “where’s the zerg nao hahaha” when they lose its “WTF STAHP ZERGING”….Also FC ran some of the biggest map zergs I have seen (short of SF and DH)…Granted it was pretty much their whole pop blobbed into one ball, but still zergy nonetheless.

The difference would be between how we use our population. Even if Dh had equal pop to SF during prime time (which we don’t, not even close), we use many smaller groups. Take our guilds as an analogy. You have CoSA, we have fin/voc. Fin/voc may be nearly as large as CoSA when put together, but CoSA is twice is big as either on their own. We may have roughly the same pop, maybe more when you consider our coverage. But that doesn’t mean we’re as zergy as you.

The way I see it SOR is pretty much kitten, and relax xD and no more cry baby in SOR xD.

SoR might be far from dead, but they are gonna struggle so stay in t3, like SBI will. We lost a lot too.

Retsuko.2035:

Only a few CDS i know I still see in WvW now and have transfered to TC, like Aurust, Kayku, Raes, Crom, Faal and Fudge. I wonder what happened to the majority i saw on the vids.

LOL Did I read that right? Aurust on TC? That’s kinda funny. xD

Andrew Clear.1750:

SoR might be far from dead, but they are gonna struggle so stay in t3, like SBI will. We lost a lot too.

DB is skewing any real assessment of what T3 will look like. It’s exactly like a year ago when SoS dropped and DB’s massive PvD covered up for their atrocious NA skill level (though our 3 weeks there made them stronger, they were better by the time we went to T4…and you know what happened then. It wouldn’t be much better with FA, with their heavy NA and modest to decent coverage elsewhere.

Wagonbrand won’t work a 2nd time coz they only have 2 consistent sea guilds now. Back then they had 4-5.

Elthurien.8356:

I must say it is sad to see all of my friends go from SoR, I had a lot of good times and met a lot of amazing people over the last 18 months. I stopped playing GW2 shortly after the new year, and I guess it’s for the best because the memories I have left are of the good times fighting alongside the Oceanic crew. I would follow Rai, Green Arrow, Nirmuu and Sarhill into battle any kitten day of the week. Gonna miss you guys, not just the leader in WvW, but the people of those guilds, hopefully our paths cross again in the future.

It was great running with you mate. I remember you as one of the OG Rallians along with Buton, Aurust, Alpaca Owl, Raes, etc fighting for the server when we had no Oceanic presence at all.

I wish you the very best in your endeavours.

Dhampyr.2104:

LOL Did I read that right? Aurust on TC? That’s kinda funny. xD

Yep … and the more you think about it the funnier it gets.

Andrew Clear.1750:

SoR might be far from dead, but they are gonna struggle so stay in t3, like SBI will. We lost a lot too.

Eh. DB is the odd man out in t3 more so than SoR or SBI. Until another of the top 7 server implodes, there’s always going to be a t3 lopsided match regardless if SBI, SoR, IoJ, BP, or YB end up in t3 since the server in that 7 spot is always going to have better coverage.

Arius.7031:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Arius.7031:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Arius.7031:

UndeadCorp.2198:

Arius.7031:

UndeadCorp.2198:

My server has 20-30 people. On a good day we have 40-50. For all our maps. On our non-coverage hours we number 10-20 or less. NSP. Yet we can fight 60-70 zerg armies, 100+ map combined. We use TS. We encourage players to come in to assist. We tag up when there are no leaders, so main commanders do not become burned out, and in the process, some new commanders emerge, like me. And we are often outnumbered, but we are USED to it. That means we can fight as a cohesive group. We have blobs sometimes, but we tell the blob what to do. Each member has a special tactic they can do, and use their class well. We have strike teams that peel off to take camps. We have diversion teams who tap waypoints. We have pride. NSP pride.

That’s not even remotely close to true… Your server, I have witnessed, field 2-3 zergs of 30-40 each (easily). OS and Zos will together, alone, easily build a 40 man zerg, and then you have your super dominant (for our tier) eb zerg of around that size as well (bare minimum). This is the reality I faced against you every night during primetime. You’re a very zergy server. Dh is too, but we don’t hide from that fact.

We have outnumbered very often when we were versing you guys :o But yes Zergs exist Guess we are on diff times XD
And plus you beat us for 5 weeks, then we beat you for 2 >:3 so it’s all fine and dandy

Hey I fully admit Dh is a zergy server… nsp is too though, that’s my point. I have no problem with zergs, just people who pretend they aren’t what they are.

Edit: Just as a sample of what I’m talking about, we consistently had outnumbered in our home bl every single reset from NSP. Only other server in all of bronze that could do that to us was SF (as a reminder, they’re considered the biggest zergball in bronze).

Actually that is a tossup between SF and DH.

No, it’s really not lol. You’re not in SF anymore, how do you know? I directly ask people from FC (have many friends from it) and they all say SF is zergier by a country mile.

Played on SF Saturday night, and no SF is no more zergy than DH from what I saw the last SF/DH matchup a few weeks back. 10 of us spawn camped FC on EB while pugmander capped their keep.

I wouldn’t trust much that FC has to say tbh, when they beat SF in scoreboard wars its “where’s the zerg nao hahaha” when they lose its “WTF STAHP ZERGING”….Also FC ran some of the biggest map zergs I have seen (short of SF and DH)…Granted it was pretty much their whole pop blobbed into one ball, but still zergy nonetheless.

The difference would be between how we use our population. Even if Dh had equal pop to SF during prime time (which we don’t, not even close), we use many smaller groups. Take our guilds as an analogy. You have CoSA, we have fin/voc. Fin/voc may be nearly as large as CoSA when put together, but CoSA is twice is big as either on their own. We may have roughly the same pop, maybe more when you consider our coverage. But that doesn’t mean we’re as zergy as you.

I am not having this kittened conversation with you, SF admits to zerging, if DH wants to act like they run around in skill groups: whatevs brah. Just remember things are a lot more clear from the other side of the fence….IE: I have farmed enough of your uplevel pugs in the mass of Map Zergs you have to know better.

SF runs a few skill groups themselves, but most people wouldn’t argue they don’t do their fair share of Pug zerging..Apparently I have touched a nerve with the DH zerging thing..How would you feel if I called you out on the continuous PVdooring that gets done every NA morning on your server lol??? The CoSA thing is played out, Cosa is Cosa because people like them and they are generally good folks that don’t turn away anyone that wants to run with them.

TBH DH was always the one server SF claimed was full of Pug zerglings…something that SF has been routinely accused of…So really its just an argument of “who does it more” and it’s one I care nothing about continuing.

Tl/Dr: Just because you or a few of your buds think you are roamers/skillgroups now on DH does not change the fact that the majority of your servermates are mindless zerglings.

Also this to support my above statements:

Arius.7031:

Dh – Very zergy with a pug zerg speciality. We have very few guilds, we rely on pugs for everything. Strongest coverage in all of bronze by far. Mediocre prime time. TERRIBAD on reset, TERRIBAD. Gets relatively stronger as the week progresses in general. Dh is a server of extremes, extremely bad in general but with some extremely good groups (large scale FIN, small scale XSV, JPGN, ANBU, MATE etc…).

This thread is about SoR. Not entirely sure how this DH/SF debate got started, but how ’bout you guys start a new thread?

Dhampyr.2104:

This thread is about SoR. Not entirely sure how this DH/SF debate got started, but how ’bout you guys start a new thread?

Or you could go back to RPing.

King Amadaeus.8619:

Dhampyr.2104:

This thread is about SoR. Not entirely sure how this DH/SF debate got started, but how ’bout you guys start a new thread?

Or you could go back to RPing.

I’m RP’ing someone who doesn’t care about DH or SF.

But does about SoR?

Er, yes. That’s why I’m reading this thread in the first place. xD

Keep reading then friend, and we will sell you on the benefits of SF/DH knowledge to further contribute to a useless thread.