Guild Wars 2

As a D/D ele myself, this thread is an obvious L2P issue.

Get confusion? Cleanse or don’t attack and kite.

Again, more of a l2p issue and no discipline with OP while vsing a Mesmer.

selan.8354:

lol, coming from a OG member. OG=thieves and d/d eles that gank people as soon as they see that og hav higer number then them( if they run into PRO that runs around with higher numbers, they run away)…one day they came across AVTR, that had 8 members with them at the time, OG had a round 12…well OG got destroyed, because AVTR uses glamour bombs on them. Well, now they are crying in the forums about it, because they can’t gank and destroy everyone anymore. Clearly a L2P issue.

OK, so because our guild makes you cry, that means confusion is balanced? I’ve killed every mesmer from AVTR I’ve run into. It doesn’t make it any less ridiculous.

roostapro.9827:

As a D/D ele myself, this thread is an obvious L2P issue.

Get confusion? Cleanse or don’t attack and kite.

Again, more of a l2p issue and no discipline with OP while vsing a Mesmer.

Have you ever fought a good mesmer? People seem to think confusion mesmers drop a ton of stacks at once and if you cleanse them they’re a free kill. It doesn’t work that way. The good confusion mesmers maintain a medium amount of stacks almost permanently and can kitten near instantly reapply them if you do cleanse them. Too many to keep fighting without killing yourself, and if you cleanse, they’ve always got more confusion waiting.

2 OG D/D Eles in this thread crying about Confusion

Your guild’s rep is so horrendously bad and your players, specifically Bunzy, run braindead builds and complain about everything that counters it. You guys talk tough and act like your the kitten when you’re not. If you don’t outnumber people you run and anyone who’s better than you is “obviously bad.” When an entire forum is telling you you’re wrong how arrogant do you have to be to believe that you’re right? This is clearly an issue with your guild and your personal skill sets. It’s a learn to play issue, stop crying.

I have.

The confusion debuff is blatantly obvious to see.

Ever tried kiting and not attacking?
Easy as 1,3,2..

Maybe you should do some 1vs1 to learn how to counter the confusion, it isn’t hard to see coming and is NOT op.

L2p & discipline issue, learn to counter or cry about it, either way it isn’t op.

Munkee.3542:

2 OG D/D Eles in this thread crying about Confusion

Your guild’s rep is so horrendously bad and your players, specifically Bunzy, run braindead builds and complain about everything that counters it. You guys talk tough and act like your the kitten when you’re not. If you don’t outnumber people you run and anyone who’s better than you is “obviously bad.” When an entire forum is telling you you’re wrong how arrogant do you have to be to believe that you’re right? This is clearly an issue with your guild and your personal skill sets. It’s a learn to play issue, stop crying.

So yet again, someone who gets rolled by OG is trying to say confusion is balanced because they don’t like our guild.

Did you guys not see the thread Oozo made about this issue before? Hundreds of replies, not many people disagreeing. Every single name I recognized in that thread was a good player who agreed it needed to be nerfed, and that included every class in the game, even other mesmers who had experience with the build.

dreztina.4820:

selan.8354:

lol, coming from a OG member. OG=thieves and d/d eles that gank people as soon as they see that og hav higer number then them( if they run into PRO that runs around with higher numbers, they run away)…one day they came across AVTR, that had 8 members with them at the time, OG had a round 12…well OG got destroyed, because AVTR uses glamour bombs on them. Well, now they are crying in the forums about it, because they can’t gank and destroy everyone anymore. Clearly a L2P issue.

OK, so because our guild makes you cry, that means confusion is balanced? I’ve killed every mesmer from AVTR I’ve run into. It doesn’t make it any less ridiculous.

hahaha we knew u would say that, well of course u will eventually will kill every mesmer if u stalk AVTR and keep running from your spawn over and over just to kill AVTR and u spawncamp us even. btw u might wanna read my post again…i never said we were cryiing about you guys. I said what og is about. when u cross paths with my guild u dont hear anyone from TS crying u hear them oh look, it’s OG again waiting to gank someone…..and then u hear a long line of laughs while we wait for our commander to decide to kill u guys or do something more productive. Most of the guilds in wvw actually work on something like taking keeps and hold them, where your guild waits on the street to gank people. even your own server has people that whisper us and beg us to destroy you…..

btw, why don’t u guys just go SPVP instead of wvw? im sure u will find single people there to gank too and u don’t need o bother with siege or legendary defenders

roostapro.9827:

I have.

The confusion debuff is blatantly obvious to see.

Ever tried kiting and not attacking?
Easy as 1,3,2..

Maybe you should do some 1vs1 to learn how to counter the confusion, it isn’t hard to see coming and is NOT op.

L2p & discipline issue, learn to counter or cry about it, either way it isn’t op.

Telling me I should try 1v1ing lol. Our servers have probably never been matched, so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. I know how to fight a confusion mesmer, but that doesn’t mean I am ok with a class having what amounts to an almost perma uptime daze. And that’s 1v1 where not doing anything is marginally not fatal. In small group fights, it’s even worse.

selan.8354:

hahaha we knew u would say that, well of course u will eventually will kill every mesmer if u stalk AVTR and keep running from your spawn over and over just to kill AVTR and u spawncamp us even. btw u might wanna read my post again…i never said we were cryiing about you guys. I said what og is about. when u cross paths with my guild u dont hear anyone from TS crying u hear them oh look, it’s OG again waiting to gank someone…..and then u hear a long line of laughs while we wait for our commander to decide to kill u guys or do something more productive. Most of the guilds in wvw actually work on something like taking keeps and hold them, where your guild waits on the street to gank people. even your own server has people that whisper us and beg us to destroy you…..

More crying about OG. Let me be plain. I don’t care about either of your guilds. Both PRO and AVTR are bad zerg guilds which mean nothing to me. I have never stalked either of you. I’ve never gone out of my way to kill you. I don’t even have any idea who you are.

You mean nothing to me.

dreztina.4820:

roostapro.9827:

I have.

The confusion debuff is blatantly obvious to see.

Ever tried kiting and not attacking?
Easy as 1,3,2..

Maybe you should do some 1vs1 to learn how to counter the confusion, it isn’t hard to see coming and is NOT op.

L2p & discipline issue, learn to counter or cry about it, either way it isn’t op.

Telling me I should try 1v1ing lol. Our servers have probably never been matched, so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. I know how to fight a confusion mesmer, but that doesn’t mean I am ok with a class having what amounts to an almost perma uptime daze. And that’s 1v1 where not doing anything is marginally not fatal. In small group fights, it’s even worse.

Translation: I’m not ok with a build out there that can compete with my D/D ele because then I cant make outrageous claims like “noone can beat me because i’m so good”

Black Scoutsman.5830:

dreztina.4820:

roostapro.9827:

I have.

The confusion debuff is blatantly obvious to see.

Ever tried kiting and not attacking?
Easy as 1,3,2..

Maybe you should do some 1vs1 to learn how to counter the confusion, it isn’t hard to see coming and is NOT op.

L2p & discipline issue, learn to counter or cry about it, either way it isn’t op.

Telling me I should try 1v1ing lol. Our servers have probably never been matched, so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. I know how to fight a confusion mesmer, but that doesn’t mean I am ok with a class having what amounts to an almost perma uptime daze. And that’s 1v1 where not doing anything is marginally not fatal. In small group fights, it’s even worse.

Translation: I’m not ok with a build out there that can compete with my D/D ele because then I cant make outrageous claims like “noone can beat me because i’m so good”

By which you are implying I win because my class in unbalanced rather than personal skill. My class which is getting nerfed, yet isn’t as strong as a confusion mesmer. But ele is op and confusion mesmer is balanced. Got it.

dreztina.4820:

selan.8354:

hahaha we knew u would say that, well of course u will eventually will kill every mesmer if u stalk AVTR and keep running from your spawn over and over just to kill AVTR and u spawncamp us even. btw u might wanna read my post again…i never said we were cryiing about you guys. I said what og is about. when u cross paths with my guild u dont hear anyone from TS crying u hear them oh look, it’s OG again waiting to gank someone…..and then u hear a long line of laughs while we wait for our commander to decide to kill u guys or do something more productive. Most of the guilds in wvw actually work on something like taking keeps and hold them, where your guild waits on the street to gank people. even your own server has people that whisper us and beg us to destroy you…..

More crying about OG. Let me be plain. I don’t care about either of your guilds. Both PRO and AVTR are bad zerg guilds which mean nothing to me. I have never stalked either of you. I’ve never gone out of my way to kill you. I don’t even have any idea who you are.

You mean nothing to me.

again, you are not reading well.I am not crying about , because we do nottake you serious enough for that.you are calling AVTR a bad zerg guild…erm they run around with 5 to 10 people most of the time. PRO, yeah we have a lot of people, but we are pretty well coordinated. Oh, now i get it you are mad because we steamrolled u 6 times in a row the night before reset and because you guys lost some duels vs our d/d commander

dreztina.4820:

Black Scoutsman.5830:

dreztina.4820:

roostapro.9827:

I have.

The confusion debuff is blatantly obvious to see.

Ever tried kiting and not attacking?
Easy as 1,3,2..

Maybe you should do some 1vs1 to learn how to counter the confusion, it isn’t hard to see coming and is NOT op.

L2p & discipline issue, learn to counter or cry about it, either way it isn’t op.

Telling me I should try 1v1ing lol. Our servers have probably never been matched, so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. I know how to fight a confusion mesmer, but that doesn’t mean I am ok with a class having what amounts to an almost perma uptime daze. And that’s 1v1 where not doing anything is marginally not fatal. In small group fights, it’s even worse.

Translation: I’m not ok with a build out there that can compete with my D/D ele because then I cant make outrageous claims like “noone can beat me because i’m so good”

By which you are implying I win because my class in unbalanced rather than personal skill. My class which is getting nerfed, yet isn’t as strong as a confusion mesmer. But ele is op and confusion mesmer is balanced. Got it.

no you see it is balanced. because it’s a hard counter to your build. but it’s not to mine. as a ranger i justcleanse, burst, kite/snare for my pet, rinse and repeat. I have 0 problems with confusion mesmers. Ur just kitten that ur build that has been god mode untouchable from day one, actually has a popular counter now, and you dont want to learn to play you just want big daddy nerf hammer to make it go away.

selan.8354:

again, you are not reading well.I am not crying about , because we do nottake you serious enough for that.you are calling AVTR a bad zerg guild…erm they run around with 5 to 10 people most of the time. PRO, yeah we have a lot of people, but we are pretty well coordinated. Oh, now i get it you are mad because we steamrolled u 6 times in a row the night before reset and because you guys lost some duels vs our d/d commander

You keep trying to turn this into some drama about OG. I’m sorry we have had such a great effect on you, but that isn’t what this thread is about. I’m not going to argue with anything you’re saying because it doesn’t mean anything to me. You’re just some zerg commander trying to use drama as a justification for an overpowered ability.

dreztina.4820:

Black Scoutsman.5830:

dreztina.4820:

roostapro.9827:

I have.

The confusion debuff is blatantly obvious to see.

Ever tried kiting and not attacking?
Easy as 1,3,2..

Maybe you should do some 1vs1 to learn how to counter the confusion, it isn’t hard to see coming and is NOT op.

L2p & discipline issue, learn to counter or cry about it, either way it isn’t op.

Telling me I should try 1v1ing lol. Our servers have probably never been matched, so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. I know how to fight a confusion mesmer, but that doesn’t mean I am ok with a class having what amounts to an almost perma uptime daze. And that’s 1v1 where not doing anything is marginally not fatal. In small group fights, it’s even worse.

Translation: I’m not ok with a build out there that can compete with my D/D ele because then I cant make outrageous claims like “noone can beat me because i’m so good”

By which you are implying I win because my class in unbalanced rather than personal skill. My class which is getting nerfed, yet isn’t as strong as a confusion mesmer. But ele is op and confusion mesmer is balanced. Got it.

wait what?how can u say that d/d ele isn’t as strong as a glamour mesmer….?erm our power is around 1.3k=nothing, apart from confusion we have barly anything to attack with.you are a bunker d/d ele=toughness,vitality, lots of healpower,cleansing and a lot of DMG…..yes our commander did die a lot to AVTR too at first, then he learned how to deal with them.

roostapro.9827:

As a D/D ele myself, this thread is an obvious L2P issue.

Get confusion? Cleanse or don’t attack and kite.

Again, more of a l2p issue and no discipline with OP while vsing a Mesmer.

You cannot compare D/D ele condition removal with warriors condition removal.

Rayya.2591:

roostapro.9827:

As a D/D ele myself, this thread is an obvious L2P issue.

Get confusion? Cleanse or don’t attack and kite.

Again, more of a l2p issue and no discipline with OP while vsing a Mesmer.

You cannot compare D/D ele condition removal with warriors condition removal.

What?
Who said anything about warriors?
(Fyi, warrior in my sig is for PvE farming as it is quicker with it, very rarely enters pvp)

It appears the only people that have a problem with glamour mesmers are 2 D/D eles from OG.

Speaks volumes…

Alright here is my opinion, and yes, I am a confusion mesmer right now (I change builds fairly often trying things out). Most of the time I dominate someone as a confusion mesmer is against a player who continually stands in my feedbacks and spams range attacks at me. Confusion is one of the easiest conditions to deal with because you can make it do NO damage. That’s right, NO damage. All the others you take damage automatically. The only counter argument I have seen made to say that confusion is OP is basically “well, it can kill me and I can’t kill him!” But that doesn’t mean the condition is OP at all, in fact, it’s fairly balanced. And people keep talking about how a “good confusion mesmer” is hard to kill. So yes, then he/she probably just knows thir class very well. It’s quite lame to basically tell that person that they arent good, they’re just using an OP condition.

I have played several different builds of mesmer, including glass tank sword/pistol+GS mesmer. The only reason my confusion build dominates people at times is because they become totally oblivious to me stacking confusion on them and stand in my glamour fields and spam auto attacks endlessly until they’re dead. Mesmers CANNOT instantly stack more than 6 confusion (and that gets rid of all our clones!). To get more than that and not notice means that you’re not notcing it when you get hit by the other mesmer attacks. If everything lines up perfectly for me, and no attacks get evaded, I can stack upto 18-20 confusion stacks. However, if the player just kites back for 2-3 seconds, it all goes to waste. It only kills people who don’t pay attention and don’t know to just run back. Kiting a glamour mesmer will hurt them much more than you, since they rely on the confusion damage and maybe a greatsword for extra dps. They’re relying on you being oblivious, that’s basically it.

I won’t say its a l2p issue, more like a “learn the build” issue. I’d recommend talking with a guildmate who is a mesmer, and figuring out what attacks, etc can create confusion, and I think you’ll find it’s really easy to counter. I duelled a guildmate mesmer who was able todominate me a decent amount of the time because he knew how to deal with confusion I’ve divulged some of our secrets here, so, learn from them

you only get confusion if you enter or leave the glamour field. what’s so hard about encountering that ? stay where you’re, do not cross the boundary…

Most of OG’s strategy is based on 2+ d/d eles unloading all their burst damage on lone players and then running if they don’t insta-win.

Having any amount of confusion affecting them ruins their ganking method. Rather than do what everyone else does (ie, remove the confusion, not burst a dozen skills at once while confused, or just avoiding the bubbles) they complain instead. This is an OG l2p problem.

Confusion got nerfed in sPvP people seem to be forgetting that the reason they don’t nerf it in WvW is because it would ruin confusion in PvE. Now before people start griping about splitting WvW and PvE consider this. The whole reason that WvW has the server v server v server is that the match ups come from the server as a whole. PvP is its own separate server from the entire game… If they were to split WvW from PvE they would have to go through and split servers which would take way more time than anyone here realizes… Also any Mesmer that can reliably keep confusion on you above 3 stacks for the duration of a fight is a kitten good Mesmer. Whether they are a glamour mes or a scepter torch mes the confusion coming from being inside a glamour skill is a whopping ONE stack… The confusion from our shatters is hardly affected by condition dmg, and the confusion from our illusions inherits NONE of our condition dmg/duration… Now if it is a bunch of glamour mesmers destroying groups then that’s the whole purpose… Using group utility… Also ALL of mesmers “glamour skills” require the enemies to do something… Feedback? Okay stop using projectiles… Null field “qq I have no more boons” that’s pretty much it… They can get some good stacks from CoF into a group but there again. None of these stacks of confusion last more than a couple seconds.

@Wombat Just be happy that Mags is out of Tier 3. And lets hope the other two servers have enough wits about them to double team mag and faceroll across anyone with the OG tag.

So much bad argumentation in this thread. Name calling and flaming doesn’t get us anywhere and it doesn’t ever make an argument stronger either for or against.

The problem we have here, imo, is that none of us have any place to start from when determining what should and should not be in the game because the developers have offered no feedback on this issue.

It does seem rather inconsistent that confusion was toned down for spvp but left unaltered for WvW despite the fact that WvW is still a form of pvp but perhaps that’s just consistent with the developer’s intended design. Or perhaps they just don’t want to have to split PvE and WvW. I do not know.

I would really like to hear their thoughts on this.

The irony of OG crying about confusion when they wouldnot 5v5 us without a confusion bomber from another guild in their group

jportell.2197:

Confusion got nerfed in sPvP people seem to be forgetting that the reason they don’t nerf it in WvW is because it would ruin confusion in PvE. Now before people start griping about splitting WvW and PvE consider this. The whole reason that WvW has the server v server v server is that the match ups come from the server as a whole. PvP is its own separate server from the entire game… If they were to split WvW from PvE they would have to go through and split servers which would take way more time than anyone here realizes… Also any Mesmer that can reliably keep confusion on you above 3 stacks for the duration of a fight is a kitten good Mesmer. Whether they are a glamour mes or a scepter torch mes the confusion coming from being inside a glamour skill is a whopping ONE stack… The confusion from our shatters is hardly affected by condition dmg, and the confusion from our illusions inherits NONE of our condition dmg/duration… Now if it is a bunch of glamour mesmers destroying groups then that’s the whole purpose… Using group utility… Also ALL of mesmers “glamour skills” require the enemies to do something… Feedback? Okay stop using projectiles… Null field “qq I have no more boons” that’s pretty much it… They can get some good stacks from CoF into a group but there again. None of these stacks of confusion last more than a couple seconds.

Confusion was never nerfed in sPvP. It was BUFFED in PvE and as a result, WvW.

Tiglie.5834:

The irony of OG crying about confusion when they wouldnot 5v5 us without a confusion bomber from another guild in their group

So OG, a guild which is widely known to be filled with mediocre players who only abuse the most overpowered builds in the game to make up for their lack of skill, insisted on having a confusion mesmer to fight you. Sounds like nerf time to me.

Look at my post history ive been saying confusion is the most op thing in wvw for a long time. Problem is the four guilds that say this are probably the only four that don’t facezerg and actually see and use it to its abusive level

Pentzski.4620:

jportell.2197:

Confusion got nerfed in sPvP people seem to be forgetting that the reason they don’t nerf it in WvW is because it would ruin confusion in PvE. Now before people start griping about splitting WvW and PvE consider this. The whole reason that WvW has the server v server v server is that the match ups come from the server as a whole. PvP is its own separate server from the entire game… If they were to split WvW from PvE they would have to go through and split servers which would take way more time than anyone here realizes… Also any Mesmer that can reliably keep confusion on you above 3 stacks for the duration of a fight is a kitten good Mesmer. Whether they are a glamour mes or a scepter torch mes the confusion coming from being inside a glamour skill is a whopping ONE stack… The confusion from our shatters is hardly affected by condition dmg, and the confusion from our illusions inherits NONE of our condition dmg/duration… Now if it is a bunch of glamour mesmers destroying groups then that’s the whole purpose… Using group utility… Also ALL of mesmers “glamour skills” require the enemies to do something… Feedback? Okay stop using projectiles… Null field “qq I have no more boons” that’s pretty much it… They can get some good stacks from CoF into a group but there again. None of these stacks of confusion last more than a couple seconds.

Confusion was never nerfed in sPvP. It was BUFFED in PvE and as a result, WvW.

Find me the proof that it was buffed and I’ll believe you. But right now the underpoweredness of Confusion in PvP completely eliminates this build for mesmers… Which is just annoying.

Israel.7056:

eqpablon.9072:

It’s a discipline issue and a l2p issue. Period.

This isn’t a question of what you think, it’s a question of what the devs think. Period.

Also I’d say that confusion mesmer is not a hard counter to d/d ele because it’s not like a d/d ele can’t beat a single confusion mesmer.

The only time glamour mesmers really become troublesome is when there are several of them in a large encounter. It’s easy enough to avoid one feedback, one null field. It’s pretty tough to deal with six or ten of them being spread in overlapping patterns.

The cheese is in the zerg comp, not the small group comp.

Bunzy enjoys to play the 5v5 side of WvW. He likes to roam, and he posts videos of his guild doing this. They are actually quite good.

The issue, concerning Bunzy, isn’t Zerg v Zerg comp; as he clearly detests that side of the game. The issue for him is discipline and l2p. Period.

jportell.2197:

Confusion got nerfed in sPvP people seem to be forgetting that the reason they don’t nerf it in WvW is because it would ruin confusion in PvE. Now before people start griping about splitting WvW and PvE consider this. The whole reason that WvW has the server v server v server is that the match ups come from the server as a whole. PvP is its own separate server from the entire game… If they were to split WvW from PvE they would have to go through and split servers which would take way more time than anyone here realizes… Also any Mesmer that can reliably keep confusion on you above 3 stacks for the duration of a fight is a kitten good Mesmer. Whether they are a glamour mes or a scepter torch mes the confusion coming from being inside a glamour skill is a whopping ONE stack… The confusion from our shatters is hardly affected by condition dmg, and the confusion from our illusions inherits NONE of our condition dmg/duration… Now if it is a bunch of glamour mesmers destroying groups then that’s the whole purpose… Using group utility… Also ALL of mesmers “glamour skills” require the enemies to do something… Feedback? Okay stop using projectiles… Null field “qq I have no more boons” that’s pretty much it… They can get some good stacks from CoF into a group but there again. None of these stacks of confusion last more than a couple seconds.

Correction: Confusion got BUFFED for PvE.

Funny to see people with top of the food chain specs complaining when they meet anything that challenges it.

I just send confusion back at them, doesn’t seem a big deal.

dreztina.4820:

wombat.6123:

Most of OG’s strategy is based on 2+ d/d eles unloading all their burst damage on lone players and then running if they don’t insta-win.

Having any amount of confusion affecting them ruins their ganking method. Rather than do what everyone else does (ie, remove the confusion, not burst a dozen skills at once while confused, or just avoiding the bubbles) they complain instead. This is an OG l2p problem.

Just another PRO zerger trying to ignore a problem because they don’t like OG. If you have such a problem with us that you can’t even see past your issues to think about balance, feel like to go read the thread started by Oozo instead.

I didn’t start that thread. Someone else did.

My opinions have been given on the matter above. Others have different views on it. No point in me discussing it any further. As someone said above, the ball is in the dev’s court.

I’m wary of insulting the good players that run mesmers. Just as the calls for thief nerfs are/were insulting to the good players that run thieves.

I can’t really give an opinion on the glamour field groups since I’ve never run it or encountered it. That seems to be a top 3 bracket thing ATM.

eqpablon.9072:

jportell.2197:

Confusion got nerfed in sPvP people seem to be forgetting that the reason they don’t nerf it in WvW is because it would ruin confusion in PvE. Now before people start griping about splitting WvW and PvE consider this. The whole reason that WvW has the server v server v server is that the match ups come from the server as a whole. PvP is its own separate server from the entire game… If they were to split WvW from PvE they would have to go through and split servers which would take way more time than anyone here realizes… Also any Mesmer that can reliably keep confusion on you above 3 stacks for the duration of a fight is a kitten good Mesmer. Whether they are a glamour mes or a scepter torch mes the confusion coming from being inside a glamour skill is a whopping ONE stack… The confusion from our shatters is hardly affected by condition dmg, and the confusion from our illusions inherits NONE of our condition dmg/duration… Now if it is a bunch of glamour mesmers destroying groups then that’s the whole purpose… Using group utility… Also ALL of mesmers “glamour skills” require the enemies to do something… Feedback? Okay stop using projectiles… Null field “qq I have no more boons” that’s pretty much it… They can get some good stacks from CoF into a group but there again. None of these stacks of confusion last more than a couple seconds.

Correction: Confusion got BUFFED for PvE.

IF SO SHOW ME THE PATCH NOTES! If it was buffed it’s because it was insanely weak to begin with especially when compared to bleed/burn/poison etc. etc. And the extreme weakness of it in PvP is shown by how little traits that mesmers have that address confusion are used by us! Confusion is kind of like the condition that is specific to mesmers but its just BLAH in sPvP and if it does get nerfed to please a d/d ele whiner then once again confusion will be complete garbage in PVE (you know where most of this games population is at). And plus a d/d ele should not be whining about confusion… The resident d/d ele of my guild does nothing but brag about how great his condi removal is… And it is a hard sell that confusion can be reapplied so quickly by a glamour Mesmer especially since most glamour skills are on such a long cooldown even if they are traited to have the reduced cooldowns.

Edit: and no matter what the only way confusion will do damage is if the player with the confusion on them uses a skill… Stop button mashing and pay attention to your condi’s don’t think that just because you are X build of X class means you should be god mode.

Glamour confusion builds pretty much only for zerg busting. They’re not really practical in 1vs1s or small skirmishes, as you have to give up so much other good utilities in order to make it worth while.

Oozo.7856:

Baelnorn.5710:

Confusion only triggers on dodge if you have anything attached to the dodge roll mechanic which counts as skill use.

And some of those are from minor traits which you pick up automatically when you put points in a tree. So your solution is “well, just don’t invest points in that tree that is necessary for your build” and you find that reasonable?

Other than that, how do you deal with mass thieves instagibbing you?

I use block, invulnerability, and knockbacks. Stun breaker is used if they have basilisk venom.

How do you deal with mass eles stun locking you?

I use stunbreaker and stability.

How do you deal with mass guardians perma trapping you with their whatsitcalled bubble?

I use stability or ports to get out.

Against a bunch of thieves abusing the horrible culling in mass combat to instagib targets there’s nothing you can do.

You sure that isn’t a L2P issue?

Now, just add
How do you deal with mass confusion?

I use condition removal then smash the mesmers face in with my hammer.

Even 25 stacks of confusion planted by multiple mesmers (this rarely happens) is a single condition removal. Yes, L2P issue.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Oozo.7856:

Baelnorn.5710:

Confusion only triggers on dodge if you have anything attached to the dodge roll mechanic which counts as skill use.

And some of those are from minor traits which you pick up automatically when you put points in a tree. So your solution is “well, just don’t invest points in that tree that is necessary for your build” and you find that reasonable?

Other than that, how do you deal with mass thieves instagibbing you?

I use block, invulnerability, and knockbacks. Stun breaker is used if they have basilisk venom.

How do you deal with mass eles stun locking you?

I use stunbreaker and stability.

How do you deal with mass guardians perma trapping you with their whatsitcalled bubble?

I use stability or ports to get out.

Against a bunch of thieves abusing the horrible culling in mass combat to instagib targets there’s nothing you can do.

You sure that isn’t a L2P issue?

Now, just add
How do you deal with mass confusion?

I use condition removal then smash the mesmers face in with my hammer.

Even 25 stacks of confusion planted by multiple mesmers (this rarely happens) is a single condition removal. Yes, L2P issue.

Please tell me you are a warrior. Because if one of the classes with terrible condition removal is posting on how to deal with it. I will fall out of my chair laughing… Then we all know it really is an l2p issue on the side of a freaking D/D ELE!

dreztina.4820:

wombat.6123:

Most of OG’s strategy is based on 2+ d/d eles unloading all their burst damage on lone players and then running if they don’t insta-win.

Having any amount of confusion affecting them ruins their ganking method. Rather than do what everyone else does (ie, remove the confusion, not burst a dozen skills at once while confused, or just avoiding the bubbles) they complain instead. This is an OG l2p problem.

Just another PRO zerger trying to ignore a problem because they don’t like OG. If you have such a problem with us that you can’t even see past your issues to think about balance, feel like to go read the thread started by Oozo instead.

I love how u call us zergers,even that pro relies way more on tactics and siege than on numbers.If u walk into our BL and start ganking people, of course u wil run into our entire group eventually.BTW we ran into AVTR before they joined us. day 1,they destroyed us over and over again,day 2 we were more cautius,but still died,day 3 we changed our strategy and attacks when facing AVTR and started to be able to kill them.
Wvw shouldn’t be the place where u can mash the same buttons and combos over and over. A good player tries to adjust and deal with it.
when thieves killed everyone, i used new tactics. I still die to them but i also kill them.I even changed my build to tis glamour build to counter AVTR.What about bleed and burn dmg, i learned how to remove em.
ok, so now u know that u cant use the same tactics over and over, time to change your playstyle!
and wombat, couldn’t have summarized it better than u, but u gotta add 2 D/D eles and 4 thieves.

Confusion is not difficult to counter. Lack of condition awareness is the real issue here. Whiny post.

eqpablon.9072:

The issue for him is discipline and l2p. Period.

That’s a much more qualified statement. You might be right. I really don’t know which fight prompted this post so I cannot say.

It seems to me that this issue extends beyond just Bunzy though. I think we need some developer feedback on the state of confusion in WvW. Hopefully threads such as this one will prompt a response.

jportell.2197:

eqpablon.9072:

jportell.2197:

Confusion got nerfed in sPvP people seem to be forgetting that the reason they don’t nerf it in WvW is because it would ruin confusion in PvE. Now before people start griping about splitting WvW and PvE consider this. The whole reason that WvW has the server v server v server is that the match ups come from the server as a whole. PvP is its own separate server from the entire game… If they were to split WvW from PvE they would have to go through and split servers which would take way more time than anyone here realizes… Also any Mesmer that can reliably keep confusion on you above 3 stacks for the duration of a fight is a kitten good Mesmer. Whether they are a glamour mes or a scepter torch mes the confusion coming from being inside a glamour skill is a whopping ONE stack… The confusion from our shatters is hardly affected by condition dmg, and the confusion from our illusions inherits NONE of our condition dmg/duration… Now if it is a bunch of glamour mesmers destroying groups then that’s the whole purpose… Using group utility… Also ALL of mesmers “glamour skills” require the enemies to do something… Feedback? Okay stop using projectiles… Null field “qq I have no more boons” that’s pretty much it… They can get some good stacks from CoF into a group but there again. None of these stacks of confusion last more than a couple seconds.

Correction: Confusion got BUFFED for PvE.

IF SO SHOW ME THE PATCH NOTES! If it was buffed it’s because it was insanely weak to begin with especially when compared to bleed/burn/poison etc. etc. And the extreme weakness of it in PvP is shown by how little traits that mesmers have that address confusion are used by us! Confusion is kind of like the condition that is specific to mesmers but its just BLAH in sPvP and if it does get nerfed to please a d/d ele whiner then once again confusion will be complete garbage in PVE (you know where most of this games population is at). And plus a d/d ele should not be whining about confusion… The resident d/d ele of my guild does nothing but brag about how great his condi removal is… And it is a hard sell that confusion can be reapplied so quickly by a glamour Mesmer especially since most glamour skills are on such a long cooldown even if they are traited to have the reduced cooldowns.

Edit: and no matter what the only way confusion will do damage is if the player with the confusion on them uses a skill… Stop button mashing and pay attention to your condi’s don’t think that just because you are X build of X class means you should be god mode.

Its buff was during beta, I dont believe we have access to patchnotes before the games release, unless someone can find the change on reddit.
But it was buffed for PvE .

On topic-
An ele has too much condition removal to complain about a mesmer’s Confusion.
But if your running D/D then its understandable that you keep dying. D/D is an easy weapon set generally played by new elementalist.
People dont actually venture into the bunkering capabilities of S/D, pretty funny since it has great tools for attrition.

Guardians hard counter condition spec’s and are really great bunkers
( my new favorite character )

Dieing to confusion as either an ele or guardian is really a L2P issue-

Simple as that.

Funny also that I dont see small groups getting wiped by confusion in T1.
Its usually just the mass of 20+ people that spam attacks and sit in red circles.

dreztina.4820:

Confusion is absolutely ridiculous and most certainly needs to be nerfed. I think the only people who dispute that are the ones who run it themselves or in their group. It does far too much damage and can be reapplied far faster than it can be cleansed.

You people keep pointing to the fact that Bunzy is a d/d ele to invalidate what he’s saying. Do you realize d/d only has one spell that cleanses conditions and it’s a single condition? My build barely cleanses conditions, and I had to switch to a heal I don’t like as much to help with that, and it’s still not enough. Should all eles be forced to run triple cantrip 30 water builds to have any chance in hell of not killing themselves vs a confusion mesmer which is becoming massively fotm? Is that good for the game?

Also, that ele build is getting nerfed. So a build which is considered to be so overpowered that it is getting a decent hit with the nerf bat gets destroyed by another build, and that other build is perfectly balanced?

Any class/build that lacks massive condition clearing or uses fast attacks gets kitten on by confusion. And there’s the whole anti-fun aspect of the skill. Confusion should act as a short term punishment for not paying attention, not something that makes you run around like you have a 90% uptime daze on you.

It’s seriously the most frustrating thing in the game. Send your hordes of perma stealth thieves at me. Send engies and rangers which hard counter my build. Send the eles with better dueling builds. Send anything but those kittening confusion mesmers.

And thats why in our group (confusion mesmer heavy) we have classes that add other debuffs to cover confusion.
Some groups aim to beat the fotm build and if that becomes popular because so many people rolled DD ele, then we wait and see what evolves to beat confusion groups.

Confusion is balanced in sPvP. :>

This thread confuses me…

Apparently the OP is bad and a button spammer on his d/d ele instead of playing with precision and methodically.

Mesmers have always been silly in design and the power ratio it gives them, however with disciplined play on a d/d ele confusion bombers are manageable, especially for those running the typical x-30-x build and the condi removal it has available to it. If it can be dealt with by those of us who run alternative and less powerful builds (such as damage focused builds) on our eles, surely others can do the same. It just requires you to evolve past the errrmerrgerrd spam all buttons swap attunes every second beginner playstyle.

I think it’s fine.

What is the Mesmer Class in Gw2?

Let’s take a closer look… The Mesmer is different from every other profession in the way it’s mechanics and full potentials come from. “But what does that mean?” you might ask.

It Means that a Mesmer’s power comes from CCing or Direct burst damage. Direct damage is Direct damage, it’s easy to counter and work around or with. But this is not where the mesmer shines. CCing for a Mesmer is not just immobilizing a target or knocking it down like it is for many other professions… Mesmers biggest CC comes from turning an enemy’s movements against them. A semi large amount of dodges, blocks, and blinks to make enemies waste attacks and ofc the condition we are famous for…

CONFUSION. Which is, by design and in all ways a very short lived condition that cannot stack duration. This is one of the most powerful CC’s in game because a well timed confusion stack on a Stupid or Ignorant enemy can literally allow for them to auto attack or spam until they melt.

Confusion does not stack duration and often lasts for only 3 to 4 seconds at a time. This is the same duration of the average Theif stealth pop… And it takes up to 6 stacks to do seriously dangerous amounts of damage to a non glass build of any type.
Like any CC it is easily countered.

Is it annoying when several Glam mesmers keep Confusion on you for a while? Sure, as a fellow Mesmer i have to wait for the condition to vanish on its own since i cannot cleanse it half the time but it’s terribly easy to survive these assaults (Provided you play smart and havent built into a glass kitten face rolling build)… more so than it is waiting for a thief to Pop HS for the 15th time from stealth so you can try to get an attack off..

TL;DR

Multiple counters for this one type of build, this is strictly a learn to deal with getting rolled by a mob for a change without getting to run like a kitten before you die/learn to play issue.

/thread please

How to beat a glamour Mesmer/s

Step 1) Turn 180 degrees away from Mesmer/s

Step 2) Pop a single get away skill (You may have a stack or two of confusion on you from the initial field/s, don’t worry, you can survive a skill use)

Step 3) Run from glamour mesmer/s

Step 4) Watch the confusion condition tick down if the condition hasnt been cleansed. Confusion duration maxes out at 10 seconds no matter the mesmer/s buffs. Most don’t build for max 10 second duration.

Step 5) When Glamour fields are down, turn and retaliate. Glamour CD’s are super long and confusion glamour mesmers are one trick ponies.

Step 6) Pick up fresh loot bags.

((Note: This is assuming a balanced number of players of appropriate level and half decent skill, etc etc, bla bla bla. L2P))

confusion mesmers are super strong in 1v1’s and zerg v zergs.

anything inbetween is not a big deal, as you have teammates to pick up the slack of you not attacking.

I play a condition mesmer (not glamour) as i feel I need to give up too many utility skills which i deem essential for my survival. I enjoy dropping the occasional confusion bomb and when I am against a bad player they typically kill themselves pretty quickly. Confusion does a lot of damage to BAD players. Good players see the purple glow and THE BIG PURPLE NUMBERS jump up and stop attacking before they die. You can combat confusion by simply doing nothing. press W and wait for the confusion to fall off.