Guild Wars 2

Zetsumei.4975:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Zetsumei.4975:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

I try to respect duels as much as possible, I duel myself, but must admit too many ppl duel in very bad spot (myself included).

Not all 1v1 are ‘legit’ duels and asking your team mate if it’s a duel when he fight for his life usually won’t get any answer anyway since he is kinda real busy atm. And, sadly, it did happened too often that I let a comrade in need be killed because I thought it was a duel and it was not.

My advice to duelers: find better spot than camps or SMC vicinity.

My advice to all: If you have any doubts about what is happening kill everything red because your team mate might be in need of assistance and you justify your inaction with dubious ‘honor’ reasoning. There is nothing honorable about letting someone in need die when you could have helped anyway… If he complain that he didn’t need help after, refer to advice to duelers…

Personally my ‘when in doubt’ reaction is, if you don’t know if it’s a duel or not I don’t interfere in an equal numbered fight. If you server mate wanted help and they die – oh well? When you die you don’t lose anything I can just rez them after, no harm done. But if he didn’t want help then you’ve gone and ruined a potentially very fun fight and if your server mate wants another he might have to go looking for that enemy all over again.

Except he did loose his stacks (guard or otherwise), possibly his trust in you, as well as time running back in the event you die realizing your mistake now that the attacker has turned to you having been spared a 2 v 1. Not even talking about possibly loosing an objective because you decided to let things happen… This is a team game and even solo roaming is a team contribution no matter what motivate you playing in the first place.

Have fun but not at other’s expense otherwise don’t be surprise if others don’t care about your kind fun… Many duelers don’t seem to realize that the way they duel and were they do it is probably what causes the most harm to all other duelers in the end.

Personally I have enough confidence in my own abilities that I won’t lose a 1v1 especially just after the enemy was in a fight. If we’re standing in a camp, what I’ll normally do is wait for the fight to finish while standing inside the capture circle and let the enemy heal up and engage me. If he wins two 1v1s in a row despite me being confident in my abilities I see the camp as his reward. Towers and keeps are a different story.

If my team mate gets angry at me for not jumping on the opportunity to outnumber the opponent I no longer care for his opinion because I see him as a coward.

Lavra covered the rest of the points.

Having confidence in yourself is extremely different than the end result. We all make mistakes and there is always someone better than you are or better suited to defeat what you play.

If its a real dual or 2 people going at it, I never join In 1vs1 fights and it dosnt matter where they are. I have dual ed many at camps with no stomp. Most get up and bow then go on their way (to another camp or where ever. Not fussed as long as it’s not my camp) but you get the odd stubborn sod that will try again strait away even before healing them self’s up.

I don’t see why people need to interupt duals out side keeps. They are not hurting them are they lol? But directly out side a gate then they are expected to get beaten up.

Only times people are asking for trouble is close to gstes, camps or dolly paths in my opinion.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

You assume the guy HAD to be a dueler. It is far from always being the case. Beside, even If I’m myself victim of tons of ganking and I will often come back and take the camp when I come back, they did managed to preserve the objective for possibly another tick.

Yes, duelers don’t care about PPT, but many people DO care. There is no nonsense about me saying I duel and intervening in a 1 v1. Where is it written that indulging in duels comes at the price of your team PPT efforts? The world is not black and white. All I say is Server > Individual in that game mode. Yes you can bow and duel all you want, and I do, but if you put yourself in a position where others have doubts about what is happening don’t come crying to anybody. Assume your choices of game mode as well as the places you pick inside that game mode when you duel. You are red and attackable is the default reality…

Nobody’s arguing that dueling in a high-traffic area is probably a bad decision. Like I said in a previous post, most duelers understand (or should understand) that it’s risky to duel in those places. But if it’s an actual duel, and you can tell it’s a duel, there’s no point in interfering. Absolutely none. Maybe nonsense isn’t the right term to use when you say that you duel and willingly interfere in a 1v1 that won’t have any affect on your server. That’s just toxic. Jayne was correct in saying that you’re just making excuses for bad sportsmanship.

Jayne.9251:

Scroll up in this thread for why I don’t use OS.

Honestly you don’t need a reason to not use OS. OS is not for roaming, it’s for premeditated duels and GvGs. What is fun about roaming in WvW, as opposed to, say, SPvP or OS, is that the fights are spontaneous and organic. It’s the same reason why people play PvP servers in other MMOs. Sometimes duels happen, and it’s toxic behavior to not allow players to enjoy duels that have no affect on their server’s performance at all.

sigrdrifumal.3752:

Jayne.9251:

Scroll up in this thread for why I don’t use OS.

Honestly you don’t need a reason to not use OS. OS is not for roaming, it’s for premeditated duels and GvGs. What is fun about roaming in WvW, as opposed to, say, SPvP or OS, is that the fights are spontaneous and organic. It’s the same reason why people play PvP servers in other MMOs. Sometimes duels happen, and it’s toxic behavior to not allow players to enjoy duels that have no affect on their server’s performance at all.

Well what I think these folks who are saying “if it’s red it’s dead” don’t understand is that the bulk of these duellers/roamers are your server’s scouts who do all the grunt work others won’t do. If you continue to tick them off by not being respectful of alternative gameplay, a tiny bit of a break from the crap jobs they do, you’ll find your towers/keeps are not upgraded, siege is not built or refreshed, and then the enemy will just swoop in and take your stuff with no resistance.

honestly i usually just kill its wvw after all. but if its like a group of people on each server standing around watching the duel i won’t interfere because that is clearly dueling but to be honest i rather kill the enemy and help someone from my server than watch them die since there is no way to know if its a premade 1v1 or spur of the moment roaming 1v1 or 2v2.

All I say is Server > Individual in that game mode.

Actually, no. Roamers and especially duelers play for the fights, not for points or their server. A lot of them (me included) already switched servers a few time, so server pride has been thrown out of the window quite some time ago and has been replaced by pride for your guild and individual other guys you like fighting with.

Those people i know can hold a 1v1 and would rather do it than having me interrupt and ruin a potentially good fight.

Jayne.9251:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

On one side I don’t want to interrupt a duel, on the other I don’t want to let my team down. This is a server game therefore the team is more legitimate than the duel. A lone player can cap anything is what matters. Killing him equal removing that threat. Very basic logic.

lol that’s a load.

IF the lone player was capping a camp, then I’d say, yes, kill him.

But if he’s just off to the side, playing with another player, then killing him does nothing for your server. Zero. Zilch.

You’re just trying to justify bad sportsmanship. lol.

What part of “having doubts about what is going on” is so hard to grasp for you? If you are convinced the guy won’t bother PPT and only wants to duel then by all mean let him be. You have doubts? Kill it with prejudice! You can’t possibly argue against that in good faith.

I seldom bothers known duelers unless they start to get bored and troll the kitten out of our new players. This behavior, btw, doesn’t help duelers one bit. Just saying… Honor doesn’t go far on kittenty trollish wings…

Beside, I know PLENTY of duelers who will cap a camp after they are done. They aren’t harmless at all from the PPT perspective. In fact, the poor sportsmanship from the PPT side is what many duelers do. I don’t need to justify my stance. It is self justifying in a game which inherent goal are points per tick.

So for the nth times, if having your duels interrupted kitten you, GTFO of busy spaces. It’s not hard to understand. When I duel I accept that I’m a tolerated phenomenon, not the legit one. It is the same thing in pvp when you have players who only fight outside of caps. You sure can do it, but kitten your team will rightfully hate you. Same goes for GvG that I also participate in. Having no other places to do your activities is no excuses. Do all you like to do as long as it doesn’t come at the cost of other game play experience.

Iavra.8510:

All I say is Server > Individual in that game mode.

Actually, no. Roamers and especially duelers play for the fights, not for points or their server. A lot of them (me included) already switched servers a few time, so server pride has been thrown out of the window quite some time ago and has been replaced by pride for your guild and individual other guys you like fighting with.

Those people i know can hold a 1v1 and would rather do it than having me interrupt and ruin a potentially good fight.

I’m not asking for ppl opinion. I state a fact. WvW is a SERVER game mode. SERVER.

SERVER imply more than one individual. It is not because you, as well as many other players, have cast aside your server pride that all have done the same. And it ultimately doesn’t change the fact your team is SERVER based anyway and playing in a conquest mode game.

I don’t care one bit if you come to our team because you like it or because you were bored. You are expected to help your server if you decided to come on the battlefield. Can you decide to do otherwise? Sure. But, just like players fighting off caps in pvp just because they can and they want, you will rightfully be remembered as a nuisance.

Several of you seemingly want others to respect your way of life but don’t give a crap about PPTers way of life… you shoot yourself in the foot big time when you do this.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

When I duel I accept that I’m a tolerated phenomenon, not the legit one.

Who dictates what is legit? You?

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

It is the same thing in pvp when you have players who only fight outside of caps. You sure can do it, but kitten your team will rightfully hate you. Same goes for GvG that I also participate in. Having no other places to do your activities is no excuses.

Seems a dumb source for hate:

Jayne.9251:

Well what I think these folks who are saying “if it’s red it’s dead” don’t understand is that the bulk of these duellers/roamers are your server’s scouts who do all the grunt work others won’t do. If you continue to tick them off by not being respectful of alternative gameplay, a tiny bit of a break from the crap jobs they do, you’ll find your towers/keeps are not upgraded, siege is not built or refreshed, and then the enemy will just swoop in and take your stuff with no resistance.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Do all you like to do as long as it doesn’t come at the cost of other game play experience.

That cuts both ways. If it’s not affecting your gameplay, leave them alone.

Jayne.9251:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

When I duel I accept that I’m a tolerated phenomenon, not the legit one.

Who dictates what is legit? You?

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

It is the same thing in pvp when you have players who only fight outside of caps. You sure can do it, but kitten your team will rightfully hate you. Same goes for GvG that I also participate in. Having no other places to do your activities is no excuses.

sigrdrifumal.3752:

Jayne.9251:

Scroll up in this thread for why I don’t use OS.

Honestly you don’t need a reason to not use OS. OS is not for roaming, it’s for premeditated duels and GvGs. What is fun about roaming in WvW, as opposed to, say, SPvP or OS, is that the fights are spontaneous and organic. It’s the same reason why people play PvP servers in other MMOs. Sometimes duels happen, and it’s toxic behavior to not allow players to enjoy duels that have no affect on their server’s performance at all.

Well what I think these folks who are saying “if it’s red it’s dead” don’t understand is that the bulk of these duellers/roamers are your server’s scouts who do all the grunt work others won’t do. If you continue to tick them off by not being respectful of alternative gameplay, a tiny bit of a break from the crap jobs they do, you’ll find your towers/keeps are not upgraded, siege is not built or refreshed, and then the enemy will just swoop in and take your stuff with no resistance.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Do all you like to do as long as it doesn’t come at the cost of other game play experience.

That cuts both ways. If it’s not affecting your gameplay, leave them alone.

Sure, but it is not always possible and like it or not, PPT is more legit than what we like. I do prefer fights but there is no way you can look at a conquest game mode and pretend you are as legit in the way you play if you don’t capture kitten.

Beside, I hope you roam because you like it, not because you feel force to do so. I hate players who play the diva and expect to have others cut them some slack because of what they would do anyway… If you don’t like roaming then just don’t. Same goes for tagging etc. Don’t play the diva….

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Sure, but it is not always possible and like it or not, PPT is more legit than what we like. I do prefer fights but there is no way you can look at a conquest game mode and pretend you are as legit in the way you play if you don’t capture kitten.

Beside, I hope you roam because you like it, not because you feel force to do so. I hate players who play the diva and expect to have others cut them some slack because of what they would do anyway… If you don’t like roaming then just don’t. Same goes for tagging etc. Don’t play the diva….

I love roaming. But have some respect for people who don’t mindlessly blob, do the grunt work nobody else does, because they’re the reason you keep your precious ppt.
I hate players that expect everything done for them, and don’t offer respect for the work done, then scream and rage when it’s not being done anymore and the entire map is paper.

If they stop doing it, you will have to. Or let things fall over and over and wonder why.

Jayne.9251:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Sure, but it is not always possible and like it or not, PPT is more legit than what we like. I do prefer fights but there is no way you can look at a conquest game mode and pretend you are as legit in the way you play if you don’t capture kitten.

Beside, I hope you roam because you like it, not because you feel force to do so. I hate players who play the diva and expect to have others cut them some slack because of what they would do anyway… If you don’t like roaming then just don’t. Same goes for tagging etc. Don’t play the diva….

I love roaming. But have some respect for people who don’t mindlessly blob, do the grunt work nobody else does, because they’re the reason you keep your precious ppt.
I hate players that expect everything done for them, and don’t offer respect for the work done, then scream and rage when it’s not being done anymore and the entire map is paper.

If they stop doing it, you will have to. Or let things fall over and over and wonder why.

Believe me I do have tons of respect for them. I myself do that among many other things and I feel you.

This game has too many conquest mode and not enough elimination mode. This is why I’m baffled when I get courtyard in pvp and see ppl whining about the map. I’m like, WTF is your problem? This is the ONLY elimination map and it’s too much!!? Gah!

Off-topic: your username is hilarious.

You are indeed quite the talker :p

Jayne.9251:

Off-topic: your username is hilarious.

You are indeed quite the talker :p

:)

i imagine all those “if Red Is dead!!!1” like the typical female human/norn guardian who spam staff 1 to an enemy and nothing else

It is always right until ANet adds dueling so that duelist can never be interrupted ever.

It’s never wrong to interupt a duel. Those who would have you believe otherwise and bring in words like “honour” don’t know the first thing about WvW.

Terrahero.9358:

It’s never wrong to interupt a duel. Those who would have you believe otherwise and bring in words like “honour” don’t know the first thing about WvW.

You know nothing of fight club.
You know nothing John Snow.

That feel when someone tries to interrupt your duel and gets wrecked.
That feel when you stand there and watch them die.
That feel when you see them running back and they just keep on running.
That feel when you know they know that you know they bad.
That feel.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

I’m sorry but this here is pure unadulterated nonsense. I duel a lot and I can tell you outright that intervention in 1 v1 is not an excuse for an easy bag ever. If bags was what I cared for I’d be in EoTM or Silver waste.

My conscience is what matters. On one side I don’t want to interrupt a duel, on the other I don’t want to let my team down. This is a server game therefore the team is more legitimate than the duel. A lone player can cap anything is what matters. Killing him equal removing that threat. Very basic logic.

Beside, if it annoys ppl that much to get interrupted when they duel and they duel in super busy places they only have themselves to blame (like I blame myself when I do).

I am sorry but if you lost your camp, sentry or whatever is because you are in the wrong place. If they are that important, should be there defending it instead of ganking a lone player that is fighting your teammate.

As Jayne said (miss you btw from old ET days!) most tend to forget that those duelers are usually roamers and scouts, the ones that does the thankless jobs that many don’t want to do. We (roamers, duelers) are the ones that will kill the other servers roamers and indirectly provides to the server the PPT that you mention so much.

On a side note, if you interrupt my duel, fine. However, I do have a code myself that, besides some special occasions, I will not outnumber a fight. So I will slowly back away and if you want that kill so much, hope you are good enough to take the other dueler.

After the interruption, will stop doing the roaming on that map, changing for another. If it is someone from the other server being a kitten, will get another 4 friends and we will take one of the southern camps, sw mostly likely and we will bunker down there, making the server waste time and resources on us to provide some fights. Can even get as far as build a golem or treb to hit Bay to make even more fuss. We had done that in the past and have no qualms in do it again since it is way too much fun to keep engaging 10-12 players rushing to the camp and dying in endless waves for 30 minutes or more until they actually call the EB zerg to kill you. Job done when they need to shift forces.

Jayne.9251:

sigrdrifumal.3752:

Jayne.9251:

Scroll up in this thread for why I don’t use OS.

Honestly you don’t need a reason to not use OS. OS is not for roaming, it’s for premeditated duels and GvGs. What is fun about roaming in WvW, as opposed to, say, SPvP or OS, is that the fights are spontaneous and organic. It’s the same reason why people play PvP servers in other MMOs. Sometimes duels happen, and it’s toxic behavior to not allow players to enjoy duels that have no affect on their server’s performance at all.

Well what I think these folks who are saying “if it’s red it’s dead” don’t understand is that the bulk of these duellers/roamers are your server’s scouts who do all the grunt work others won’t do. If you continue to tick them off by not being respectful of alternative gameplay, a tiny bit of a break from the crap jobs they do, you’ll find your towers/keeps are not upgraded, siege is not built or refreshed, and then the enemy will just swoop in and take your stuff with no resistance.

I am a scout, i upgrade and roam, as do 90%of my guild, IF someone interupts our fight, weather it is fair 1v1 or 2v2, it is just “/shrug” then finish fight fast and stomp the enemy then move along. For alot of us, fighting is alot of fun, but denying enemy groups caps/objectivs/of their fun, is alot more entertaining. I’m sorry but plz don’t try to speak for me/the roamers/scouts, let people give their own opinions.

As for not affecting their servers performance, sure they do, that is 10-12 people sat around doing nothing, they could be killing enemy yaks/zerg tails, capping camps/towers/contesting keeps. WvW is a game mode where you are supposed to be thrown against chaotic odds. it is NOT balanced for 1v1, i don’t know how you are so dense as to not see this. And if i see a duel/fight/anything where i see a server mate either losing/close/about to be ganked, i will jump in, gank the enemy, then corpse jump. or if they duel close to a friendly dolyak, or if there’s nothing else to do. lol.

Always interrupt if it gives +1 to my kill counter

VaaCrow.3076:

I am a scout, i upgrade and roam, as do 90%of my guild, IF someone interupts our fight, weather it is fair 1v1 or 2v2, it is just “/shrug” then finish fight fast and stomp the enemy then move along. For alot of us, fighting is alot of fun, but denying enemy groups caps/objectivs/of their fun, is alot more entertaining. I’m sorry but plz don’t try to speak for me/the roamers/scouts, let people give their own opinions.

Hilarious. You seem to be alluding to speaking for others. This is another example of do as I say isnt . it? Am I not allowed to express an opinion that differs from yours? Dear me.

Can’t you see, even by your own statements, that WvW is many things to different people? Lol you seem to contradict yourself from one paragraph to the other. The one above, you mention you duel. The one below, you seem to indicate that duelling is WRONG and wasting your server’s time! Make up your mind.

Respect different playstyles. If it’s not affecting you, leave them be.

VaaCrow.3076:

As for not affecting their servers performance, sure they do, that is 10-12 people sat around doing nothing, they could be killing enemy yaks/zerg tails, capping camps/towers/contesting keeps. WvW is a game mode where you are supposed to be thrown against chaotic odds. it is NOT balanced for 1v1, i don’t know how you are so dense as to not see this. And if i see a duel/fight/anything where i see a server mate either losing/close/about to be ganked, i will jump in, gank the enemy, then corpse jump. or if they duel close to a friendly dolyak, or if there’s nothing else to do. lol.

Again, stop dictating how WvW should be played. If I spend 6-8 hours a day sieging/upgrading/defending/refreshing the map, I feel completely OK taking 15 minutes to have a duel. You coming along and steamrolling over me and one other player is just going to irritate me (and you’ve likely irritated a good number of your teammates if you do this), and I’ll just stop doing the regular scout stuff I do. Which is fine, since you do it 90% of the time. Sounds like you don’t need a break from it. Or cooperation. Or teamwork.

I’m just very glad my server appreciates scouts and lets people play how they want.

And stop with the insults. It makes you look silly. That’s two posts in a row where you’re throwing mud for no reason. Dense, lol … it’s whether.

I accept that when dueling in WvW, I may get rolled over by a zerg or get fights ruined by an add or two. It’s part of life in WvW, so I don’t bother complaining about it. I don’t interrupt other people’s 1v1’s, unless I see a second jump in.

Oh yeah and if a server is getting hammered hard and the map is queued, and the commander is asking people to leave so others can join, I have no problems either joining up with the zerg or leaving the map. At which time rolling over duelers is all game, because you’re taking up spots from those who are willing to help the server out.

Anyways, WvW is fluid, I wish fights don’t get interrupted as often but it is what it is. No need to rage over it.

Jayne.9251:

VaaCrow.3076:

I am a scout, i upgrade and roam, as do 90%of my guild, IF someone interupts our fight, weather it is fair 1v1 or 2v2, it is just “/shrug” then finish fight fast and stomp the enemy then move along. For alot of us, fighting is alot of fun, but denying enemy groups caps/objectivs/of their fun, is alot more entertaining. I’m sorry but plz don’t try to speak for me/the roamers/scouts, let people give their own opinions.

Hilarious. You seem to be alluding to speaking for others. This is another example of do as I say isnt . it? Am I not allowed to express an opinion that differs from yours? Dear me.

Can’t you see, even by your own statements, that WvW is many things to different people? Lol you seem to contradict yourself from one paragraph to the other. The one above, you mention you duel. The one below, you seem to indicate that duelling is WRONG and wasting your server’s time! Make up your mind.

Respect different playstyles. If it’s not affecting you, leave them be.

VaaCrow.3076:

As for not affecting their servers performance, sure they do, that is 10-12 people sat around doing nothing, they could be killing enemy yaks/zerg tails, capping camps/towers/contesting keeps. WvW is a game mode where you are supposed to be thrown against chaotic odds. it is NOT balanced for 1v1, i don’t know how you are so dense as to not see this. And if i see a duel/fight/anything where i see a server mate either losing/close/about to be ganked, i will jump in, gank the enemy, then corpse jump. or if they duel close to a friendly dolyak, or if there’s nothing else to do. lol.

Again, stop dictating how WvW should be played. If I spend 6-8 hours a day sieging/upgrading/defending/refreshing the map, I feel completely OK taking 15 minutes to have a duel. You coming along and steamrolling over me and one other player is just going to irritate me (and you’ve likely irritated a good number of your teammates if you do this), and I’ll just stop doing the regular scout stuff I do. Which is fine, since you do it 90% of the time. Sounds like you don’t need a break from it. Or cooperation. Or teamwork.

I’m just very glad my server appreciates scouts and lets people play how they want.

And stop with the insults. It makes you look silly. That’s two posts in a row where you’re throwing mud for no reason. Dense, lol … it’s whether.

You really should stop suggesting dueling and scouting are related in some way, because they are not. I and plenty of others scout all of the time. That doesn’t mean we abandon our scouting position to go duel. As well, dueling takes away a scout in many instances, or prohibits one from running supply.

It might be helpful to the conversation if you stop bashing those who speak of killing the enemy that is dueling another based on your proclamation of honor. Fair and honorable are not the same thing. I do not generally interupts a duel if I feel it is a mutually desired duel, but that doesn’t mean it is dishonerable to do so.

You proclaim others are suggesting how you are to play WvW, which I do not see anyone actually doing. Yet, isn’t that what your doing by telling someone they are wrong to kill an enemy, regardless of the circumstances?

dancingmonkey.4902:

You really should stop suggesting dueling and scouting are related in some way, because they are not. I and plenty of others scout all of the time. That doesn’t mean we abandon our scouting position to go duel. As well, dueling takes away a scout in many instances, or prohibits one from running supply.

So in your world, scouts should only run supply and upgrade and nothing else? Gee, that’s fun. And fair. For many who play WvW, scouting and duelling are related. If it’s not your experience, then guess what? That’s you. Not me. And not a lot of others. (see other poster in thread who does the same thing, about five up from this post).

My bottom line is I’m NOT telling people how to play, I’m suggesting you let folks play how they want. You seem to be suggesting otherwise. And trolling duellers by rolling over them does nothing to help your server. It’s just trolling. And yes, bad sportsmanship.

dancingmonkey.4902:

You proclaim others are suggesting how you are to play WvW, which I do not see anyone actually doing. Yet, isn’t that what your doing by telling someone they are wrong to kill an enemy, regardless of the circumstances?

This isn’t telling people how to play?

VaaCrow.3076:

As for not affecting their servers performance, sure they do, that is 10-12 people sat around doing nothing, they could be killing enemy yaks/zerg tails, capping camps/towers/contesting keeps.

Yet this same person says they’ll go and interrupt a duel for the lols.

Look I get it. You like ppt. You are not confident in your skillset (duelling can actually help with that). You think all scouts should be glued in towers and constantly slaving away while the rest of the map blobs.

It’s ok, you can think that way. Thankfully not everyone does.

And I think I’m done with this thread. I’m starting to repeat stuff, which is a colossal waste of energy.

Jayne.9251:

And I think I’m done with this thread. I’m starting to repeat stuff, which is a colossal waste of energy.

I think your whole history of posts to this thread were a colossal waste of energy, all ya did was qq and proclaim that no one has the right to interrupt your duels. then throw out false information about duellers being the super hardcore scouts of wvw. Whatever will we do without the input of one super speshul snowflake.

Jayne.9251:

dancingmonkey.4902:

You really should stop suggesting dueling and scouting are related in some way, because they are not. I and plenty of others scout all of the time. That doesn’t mean we abandon our scouting position to go duel. As well, dueling takes away a scout in many instances, or prohibits one from running supply.

So in your world, scouts should only run supply and upgrade and nothing else? Gee, that’s fun. And fair. For many who play WvW, scouting and duelling are related. If it’s not your experience, then guess what? That’s you. Not me. And not a lot of others. (see other poster in thread who does the same thing, about five up from this post).

My bottom line is I’m NOT telling people how to play, I’m suggesting you let folks play how they want. You seem to be suggesting otherwise. And trolling duellers by rolling over them does nothing to help your server. It’s just trolling. And yes, bad sportsmanship.

dancingmonkey.4902:

You proclaim others are suggesting how you are to play WvW, which I do not see anyone actually doing. Yet, isn’t that what your doing by telling someone they are wrong to kill an enemy, regardless of the circumstances?

This isn’t telling people how to play?

No, it is not telling g people how to play, because I am not suggesting what you can or cannot, nor am I calling anything honorable or not. I am simply stating what isn’t getting done when you are dueling. You are the one claiming right and wrong here, not me. Are you suggesting that when you are off dueling, that you are simultaneously running supply? That doesn’t seem physically possible. Can you inform your map of enemy actions near your assigned tower or keep while you are off dueling? Point is, you are either dueling, or doing scouting/upkeep, because you cannot be doing both.

Just as you are implying I suggested what scouting should be. Those are your words, not mine. I am simply laying out my views as I see them. So Iam unclear why you are so combative about it. All I am suggesting is that it is well with in the rule set to kill an eny, and that I think labeling those who do so with a negative connotation strikes me as unreasonable.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

There’s a saying that I learned once – “If it’s Red, it’s dead”.

Tigaseye.2047:

Whenever you like.

They are in WvW and WvW is not a duelling arena.

This sums it up completely for me.
I mean, it’s WvWvW. A constant war that’s all about conquer and defense. If someone is into duelling, they should get themselves a custom pvp arena and find likeminded people to battle there.

A little side story I experienced just yesterday: roaming around with my wife in EB, east of SM Castle on our way to our Durio’s Tower since it was tagged. Seeing an enemy fighting one of our guys so we just joined in, bursted that guy down and finished him… just to get some weird flame by our “ally” for interrupting his precious duel. Ofc he didn’t bother to get to the tower and defend it. Those 3 guild catapults would surely have destroyed themselves anyway…
Now ask me why I can’t take those wvw duel guys serious…

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

But, just like players fighting off caps in pvp just because they can and they want, you will rightfully be remembered as a nuisance.

Several of you seemingly want others to respect your way of life but don’t give a crap about PPTers way of life… you shoot yourself in the foot big time when you do this.

Funny enough, even with my mindset i’m still multiple times more helpful to the server than zergling #43, think about it.

So no, i’m not a nuisance. I know how to play the game, i take camps, sentries, kill dolyaks and cut down both enemy supply and manpower simply by running around doing my stuff instead of mindlessly gravitating towards a colored symbol on the map and spamming 1 on a staff guard, rallying enemies.

Well, the way I see it, if you duel near an objective, you cannot expect anyone to respect your duel. In general, you can’t expect anyone to follow rules you made up, so no point in crying, though cussing at the screen is fine. So no, don’t duel without cannon range because someone’s going to get bored and shoot at you. It’s just a fact of life.

However, I’d just like to say it’s generally a waste of time to crash duels because if they’re dueling then they’re not damaging any of your precious stuff. If you end up killing and stomping them, then they’ll have nothing to do and go after your stuff after they respawn anyways. I just think there’s more important things to do.

And if you’re crashing duels in the middle of nowhere, I have to ask, what the heck are you even doing out there?

In the end, just do whatever you want (besides cheating and breaking the rules of course)

dancingmonkey.4902:

Are you suggesting that when you are off dueling, that you are simultaneously running supply? That doesn’t seem physically possible.

Yes. I always run with supp, never know when you’ll need it. It is possible. Do you duel at all? It might help if you had some experience doing it.

Keep in mind that real duellers never stake — so you’re never in any danger of having to run back from spawn.

dancingmonkey.4902:

Can you inform your map of enemy actions near your assigned tower or keep while you are off dueling?

Assigned tower? lol. I cover the whole map. So do most of the scouts on my server. It’s not a stationary job and we do it quite effectively.

Here’s the thing: I can get supp, jump into a nearby tower, upgrade it, siege up the tower or keep, jump out and duel, and STILL monitor the map and get there in time to save the tower/keep. That comes from basic time in game and learning to read the map.

Because most folks in EU (there are some exceptions, but they’re rare) respect duels, I can also yell out in map when I see a big blob of enemy go by and indicate which direction they’re going. That blob won’t bother with two duellers. They respect different styles of gameplay.

Here’s an example of two guilds scrimming and the third server blob comes by:

http://youtu.be/B53GXpugOms

Notice the respect? Same deal happens typically in EU with duels.

I am able to multi-task, contribute to defense, scout AND still duel.

dancingmonkey.4902:

Point is, you are either dueling, or doing scouting/upkeep, because you cannot be doing both.

Oh but I can. I often monitor all four maps too and help coordinate movement on our core team. Lots of us on Piken do that — it’s part of the gameplay as scout. In fact, all of our scouts will watch all four maps and help network and feed info.

If you want to jump over to Piken and join me for a week, be glad to show you how I manage it. I will also teach siege clinics on fridays, to help people new to the server learn about placement and how to counter the abuse of the new fov.

I rarely rarely zerg. I am always doing the gruntwork and scouting. I have become proficient enough at scouting that I CAN duel and still keep up my end of the scouting job.

dancingmonkey.4902:

So Iam unclear why you are so combative about it.

I’m “combative” about it (though I don’t see it that way) because it feels like your own personal limitations are being imposed on everyone else. If you are unable to multi-task, that’s on you, y’know? Saying you CANNOT do both things, that you MUST run supply, etc … it’s just a bully’s pulpit. And your response to punish those who can — the duellers by disrespecting their playstyle — meh. Why?

Let people play how they want. Learn to respect others and they will do their best for you.

VaaCrow.3076:

being the super hardcore scouts of wvw.

lol I’ll take that as a compliment — and a reflection of your own skill level

Another thread asking the same question. Anyone can interrupt a duel. It’s up to them. I love it when people are so dumb as to duel right in the middle of a high traffic area. Do you honestly think I’m going to go around you? No, I’m going to run you over. If you’re off to the side, do you think I can control every person I’m commanding? No, some people will want to squirrel off and kill you.

If you want to duel, don’t do it in any WvW map. Obsidium Sactum arena is the closest you’ll get to a safe place to duel. If you don’t mind the restrictions, go to a pvp arena. Otherwise, don’t complain. You’re in an open world, 3 server match.

Why not just type in /s “Come towards me if you’re not dueling and want help”…?

Do I interrupt obvious duels? Nope.

As a roamer/scout myself, I’ve had some of my favorite GW2 moments in duels, and so I don’t want to rob someone of a chance at that. And for what? A near-worthless loot bag and some pointless WvW exp? No thanks.

Maybe I’m just a nice person? Dunno. Got most of my “honor-code” from my DAOC days, so that might be part of it.

Jayne.9251:

Yes. I always run with supp, never know when you’ll need it. It is possible. Do you duel at all? It might help if you had some experience doing it.

I do not generally duel. I generally use common sense and go to my personal arena in PvP to have unspoiled 1v1 fights.

Jayne.9251:

Assigned tower? lol. I cover the whole map. So do most of the scouts on my server. It’s not a stationary job and we do it quite effectively.

It isn’t? We generally have someone in every tower and keep other then spawn keeps. I see part of the issue is your incorrectly making assumptions that everyone does it in the same manner that you do.

Jayne.9251:

Here’s the thing: I can get supp, jump into a nearby tower, upgrade it, siege up the tower or keep, jump out and duel, and STILL monitor the map and get there in time to save the tower/keep. That comes from basic time in game and learning to read the map.

I have no doubt in my mind that you have been out dueling and missed plenty of scouting calls.

Jayne.9251:

Because most folks in EU (there are some exceptions, but they’re rare) respect duels, I can also yell out in map when I see a big blob of enemy go by and indicate which direction they’re going. That blob won’t bother with two duellers. They respect different styles of gameplay.

I see, so you speak for all of the players on every EU server now? Even though many of posted in this very thread about not caring about duels and the “if it is red it is dead” perspective. Not only are you disingenuously presuming to speak for others in your community, your doing so in a thread with post that go against your claim.

Jayne.9251:

Oh but I can. I often monitor all four maps too and help coordinate movement on our core team. Lots of us on Piken do that — it’s part of the gameplay as scout. In fact, all of our scouts will watch all four maps and help network and feed info.

You also claim to speak for the entire community, and claim every one in EU supports dueling. So I doubt you are being completely honest with this claim as well.

Jayne.9251:

I rarely rarely zerg. I am always doing the gruntwork and scouting. I have become proficient enough at scouting that I CAN duel and still keep up my end of the scouting job.

How are you always doing the grunt work when you specifically stated you duel often and do so in remote locations?

Jayne.9251:

I’m “combative” about it (though I don’t see it that way) because it feels like your own personal limitations are being imposed on everyone else.

What limitations would that be?

Jayne.9251:

Let people play how they want.

I agree let people play how they want, even if it is killing an enemy in a duel, glad we agree on that.

Most of the time i wont disturb duels when they are obvious. But seriously people have no right to complain that there duels get interrupted. If you want have to have a great 1vs1 fight go to pvp, wvw isnt made for duels. And fighting in front of the walls/doors of sm is not a good dueling spot, but still people get mad because you wanted to help a teammate in need (this happens way too often, again go to pvp if you want to 1vs1 that much)

Here we go again: use the OS for your duels. Thanks! You will get interrupted, ganked and blobbed on regular basis so don’t even try to duel on a regular WvW map…or stop being salty on this forum. Use the “real” WvW forum for this kind of stuff but be prepared: it’s a god kitten salt mine! xD

BTW a lot of folks in EU are blaming duelists and even roamers whenever they get outnumbered in zerg fights while they have a queue…so I would say they rather hate duels and don’t respect them at all.

Aeden.4837:

If you want have to have a great 1vs1 fight go to pvp, wvw isnt made for duels.

PvP isn’t made for duels too …

There is no official duelling area in the game. But duelling is fun for some players and therefore it is fine to duel wherever they want. Because having fun is the main reason to play a game, isn’kitten

What most people on here forget is that 99% of duels randomly happen they are not organised. I may run into another solo player and he may stop and want a random duel. It’s not hard to just move buy especially when there are no map queues. Since most duels are random people don’t wanna waste time and go to os they just wanna fight there and then for like 2 minutes? And pvp is not always the place they want to duel in as builds can he different as you can’t customize them as much as wvw. At the end of the day they are not hurting anyone or interrupting your game play and if there is no map queue just walk on by?

Excuse my Grammer typing on a phone..

UmbraNoctis.1907:

Aeden.4837:

If you want have to have a great 1vs1 fight go to pvp, wvw isnt made for duels.

PvP isn’t made for duels too …

There is no official duelling area in the game. But duelling is fun for some players and therefore it is fine to duel wherever they want. Because having fun is the main reason to play a game, isn’kitten

I have official confirmation from Anet that my personal arena is my official dueling area for me.

Rabbitstew.2756:

Do I interrupt obvious duels? Nope.

As a roamer/scout myself, I’ve had some of my favorite GW2 moments in duels, and so I don’t want to rob someone of a chance at that. And for what? A near-worthless loot bag and some pointless WvW exp? No thanks.

Maybe I’m just a nice person? Dunno. Got most of my “honor-code” from my DAOC days, so that might be part of it.

This.

WvW is about whatever you want it to be about.
WvW is just as much about PPT and Karmatraining as it is about roaming, dueling or GVGing.

Personally, I think PPT play would be awesome, if Anet ever decides to make winning matter (like with Guild Pride of owning a keep, or the winners having access to darkness falls). Karmatraining is dumb and GvG should stick to OS. Roaming, taking a camp just to bait in 1 or 2 players to come take it back so I can kill them (without the guards help, just to be clear) is what WvW is about for me.

But what I think WvW is about doesnt matter any more than what any of the duel-interrupting farts in this thread think its about

The rule I use in WvW is play the game thats going on in the area or leave. Don’t jump in a fight if it looks like a duel. If duels are going on at ruins or south camp, use body language to get your own fight if you want one. A fight in a contested camp is not a duel, its a fight for the objective. Don’t hit a keep with your GvG and send the tiny hearts of PPT’rs a-racin’, and dont hit a GvG with a zerg. When you are with a zerg, win the objective, dont train squirrels. Respect others and be respected (which would be easier, if only we could have player names in WvW).

And whatever you do, don’t do what one Anet employee does and spend your time sending nasty tells to players dueling and having gvg’s tucked thoughtfully out of the way behind south camp.

illenos.5134:

Here we go again: use the OS for your duels. Thanks! You will get interrupted, ganked and blobbed on regular basis so don’t even try to duel on a regular WvW map…or stop being salty on this forum. Use the “real” WvW forum for this kind of stuff but be prepared: it’s a god kitten salt mine! xD

BTW a lot of folks in EU are blaming duelists and even roamers whenever they get outnumbered in zerg fights while they have a queue…so I would say they rather hate duels and don’t respect them at all.

I guess when I’m in OS you’ll build all the siege, refresh it, and monitor the map?

Oh that’s right, you don’t do that. Ever.

dancingmonkey.4902:

I have official confirmation from Anet that my personal arena is my official dueling area for me.

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WvW is my personal duelling area and i don’t even need official confirmation :p

UmbraNoctis.1907:

dancingmonkey.4902:

I have official confirmation from Anet that my personal arena is my official dueling area for me.

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WvW is my personal duelling area and i don’t even need official confirmation :p

Agreed, and no where did I dispute that.

I simply said that I feel posters who insult those who interrupt one, as bring inappropriately accusatory, and wrong to do so. As it is well with in the rule set.

True. I was just responding to the “go to pvp for dueling” statement. WvW is as much for dueling as pvp. It is just a matter of personal preference.

For me it depends on a couple of things…

first where is the duel taking place? If it is threatening an objective then it is a free for all… if it is clearly out of the way and not in anyway threatening an objective then it is not ok.

second, has someone called it in map chat and asked ppl not to interrupt?

third, if anyone else joins in to tip the balance from 1v1 to 2v1 and this includes if one of the duelists purposely pulls guards etc. to join the fight (which usually means they are fighting close to an objective)

finally, certain guilds that are notorious for interrupting duels deserve not to be respected when their members duel.

It’s a war zone. While I don’t personally interrupt duels, duelers have to accept that they can be killed at any moment by anyone who wants to kill them. Complaining about it or invoking e-honor is silly. Obsidian Sanctum is where you need to be if you want to duel.

The point of WvW is highest score and that isn’t helped when you’re keeping a spot on the map from someone waiting in the queue while you’re dueling. You’re also giving up points every time you get stomped with Bloodlust active. You’re not capturing anything, you’re not defending anything, and you’re not providing intel. In effect, you’re playing against your own server.

I don’t know about other servers, but the speed at which the action takes place on Blackgate leaves zero time for sorting out who is or isn’t in a duel. If you’re red and in range, someone is going to be attacking you. Come to think of it, I don’t think I’ve seen a duel for quite some time.

I will ‘interrupt’ any 1v1s mostly depending on location.

Any 1v1 outside one of my server’s objectives.
Any 1v1 on common routes, paths.

I will not interrupt,
any 1v1 in a remote secluded area, excluding jumping puzzles.
any place where multiple people are watching and dueling in turns.

Of the 1v1s i’ve engaged in I get a thank you 95% of the time.
As a minor rarity I get a servermate yelling at me afterwards if i killed the enemy,
or i’ll notice that they both try to disengage when i attack and then realise they’re dueling and then move on, though I’ll usually come back and kill the enemy if it’s close to something i want to defend.

The ‘duelists’ I leave alone is solely out of respect for my teammates, seeing so many posters here eagerly turning spies and trolls because they got a duel interrupted, most likely by someone that was trying to help in the first place, is… Much sadder than the interrupters they are bashing.