Guild Wars 2

Let’s take a moment to discuss Kaineng.

I decided to check out Kaineng after reading a post by Fubuki (which will be linked at the bottom of this page).

All most of you know about Kaineng is that it is a low populated server at the bottom of rankings chart. You might assume that due to it’s size that it would not be a competitive server for you to move your guild to. However this is not the case with Eredon Terrace. ET “started out” the same size as Kaineng however it is ranked “on average” 4th in the world (even when it was the same size). Why? Because ET has a single very coordinated guild to support it. Why did RUIN choose ET? So that the performance of the server is mostly based on the coordination and skill of RUIN and not the dependence on other guilds. RUIN also understood early on how to capitalize on a server looking for leadership and greatly expanded its membership base. Which is easy to understand…..since by taking your guild to a smaller server you also have less competition in terms of other guilds vying for members….and have the server rally under one banner whenever a territory is captured.

My main server is Dragonbrand…but after several EU guilds decided to flood into one of our competitors servers and carry them on Europe’s back…I decided to take a brief break from DB for 24 hours and see what being on the last place server was really like…..

At around 7-8pm I went into Kaineng’s WvW. The Kaineng team was fighting at their entrance against a much larger Ferguson’s Crossing army holding their own. I asked who was commanding and they said they had no one…..I asked what the main guild was for WvW and they said there was not one and that they use whoever shows up. So we organized the group to hit Redvale Refuge and we over came the larger sized Ferguson’s Crossing army and captured the supply depot. We then hit Redbriar and were successful in capturing the tower…..I’ll admit with how smoothly it went I got a little kitteny and directed us to hit another base not knowing that the army we had fought so bravely and conquered was not the real Ferguson’s Crossing’s Zerg. While we were leaving the tower to hit Champion’s supply depot a massive army double the size of the one we had fought before swarmed us and recaptured the keep. I learned right then that these guys have to play differently than they would on a high pop server and that they need to capture something then build its defenses before they move on to the next target. So we rinsed and repeated a couple of times and now Kaineng owns both Redvale Refuge and Redbriar and Champions and are in the process of expanding….without leadership or guilds….and a team thats out numbered 3 to 1.

I know this is nothing impressive to the servers I’ve played on but it was a challenge considering our numbers and I was impressed with the organization and skill of the Kaineng players who are simply just looking for a guild to lead them….whenever we hit anything everyone on the map showed up for it. At one point someone advised me “we don’t need to hit the towers….we need to just attack supply depots like we normally do” when I asked why he replied “because Kaineng can actually capture the supply depots.” The organization and skill is there but without guilds to lead them the confidence is not.

Oh and in PvE I used the chat channel in as many zones as I could and always had several people respond to me….so the server isn’t dead.

I’m not a Guild Master by any stretch of the imagination but if I was I’d transfer my guild to Kaineng knowing that there are several people there who would be more than willing to join my guild and help in any way they can.

If you think your guild is the best then why not be the main guild for an entire server and never have to worry about your guild waiting in ques again? Or at the very least while server transfers are free try out Kaineng.

Fubuki’s Post
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/A-different-kind-of-Kaineng-War-Report/first#post337946

First off, I am looking at the server list right now. ET, when I checked maybe a week ago, was “Full”, and now it is considered “High.” So now that my need to correct a mistake is rectified, I an apologize and agree with you.

I would love to be on Kaineng. I would love to have the underdog fights, and have to fight for every inch of ground. I would love that.

However, Anet currently has ZERO support for entire guilds transferring to a different server. My guild is 300 strong, and is not specifically aimed at PvP/WvW. So I must think for the general good of the members, and right now Anet has made it where there are very few “pros” to having my guild move 300 people to an entirely new server.

But, I can only dream of how fun their fights are in WvW. And how they are all working for a common goal. :/

I do urge Anet to work on guild server transfers, and give an incentive for a large 300+ guild to leave a densely populated server and join a lower pop server.

Yeah, ArenaNet could alleviate some problems by supporting guild transfers. Will they? Hopefully. Will guilds follow through? Less certain.

don’t forget, the guild upgrades/influence reset too if the guild leader transfer server….

azizul.8469:

don’t forget, the guild upgrades/influence reset too if the guild leader transfer server….

I’ve never been a GM. So you are saying the guild loses everything it has worked for up to that point if it transfers?

That’s right, Kaine. Though I did see a dev post that they are trying to alleviate some of those problems, one of the reasons I think they’ve not axed server transfers. Once they have a way for guilds to transplant without losing all their upgrades, we may see server transfers start to cost or come at a slower intervals.

Currently, all influence and upgrades are server bound, so that it is a big problem if you try to move a large guild that already built up their crap to restart entirely and do it again…

Turn the server off.
Let everyone pick a new server.

because of the WvW bracket system, the would have to turn off 3 servers at once. Not something they are going to do.

So we will be consoldating early is all.
LOL..

said it before will say it again, we don’t need outside help. We will improve and grow as the game goes on and we will be better off if we do it ourselves

stop trying to invite another large guild to carry us – we are the solution to our own problem

for two days we’ve held keeps for over 2-3 hours and 1/3 of any given map…we can only go up from here

let’s get this done and stop whining to others to come do it for us

SniffyCube.6107:

said it before will say it again, we don’t need outside help. We will improve and grow as the game goes on and we will be better off if we do it ourselves

stop trying to invite another large guild to carry us – we are the solution to our own problem

for two days we’ve held keeps for over 2-3 hours and 1/3 of any given map…we can only go up from here

let’s get this done and stop whining to others to come do it for us

It’s not about whining to others to come do it for you. It’s about building the server to be competitive. If your server stays at the same population it is at right now it will never go above last place….which is not what ANET or anyone else (yourself included) wants….they want a game that is competitive on all servers. Without support Kaineng will never be competitive…and it has nothing to do with your skill level or ambition…this is just the nature of the beast. You guys desperately need some more people on your server….and you barking at the guilds to go away doesn’t help anything.

LMAO before you take this guy, please read the thread started by him “Guilds transfer from blackgate to Dragonbrand”.
You might not want him around.

Let me just give you a rundown, Kaine got ran off his actual main server, Blackgate. Kaine moves to Dragonbrand who was winning at the time. Kaine decides to threaten blackgate how he was going to wipe us off the map and go to last place. Immediately following the threat, Blackgate wipes Dragonbrand off the map, and keeps asking him where his army of trebs is, while to continue to wipe them off the map.

Now Blackgate has a cushy 15k point lead, and he has jumped ship on Dragonbrand again. This person, and his opinions are completely invalid. He has only been on Dragonbrand for about a day and a half.

@ Narathkor

I didn’t “jump ship” to go to the lowest ranked server in the entire world…

After Blackgate called in for support from the entire continent of Europe and FA guilds switched sides to run with them…..and I realized that you recovered 20k points in less than 8 hours because of this….I decided to take a break till points reset and explore the last place server in the world. I promise you I didn’t go there for wins.

And no one ran me off Dragonbrand….the server has been nothing but nice to me and welcomed me with open arms….we don’t even argue in WvW and they let me lead whenever I want. However they and I both know that right now Blackgate had 3 European servers transfer to it and the largest WvW guild on FA…..so we are practically up against 4 teams….and this isnt even counting all the people on Dragonbrand that left when they were losing.

Show one place, just one, any one, one place where Blackgate “called” for anyone.

Dood we shut you out of the map last night before any of these transfers happened. It is about time you get over yourself. You are nothing.

The people that left dragonbrand when they were losing, like you? LOL

Once free server transfer are over, maintain free transfers for smaller servers, and allow guild upgrades to carry over in special deals.

Further, offer an undermanned buff that actually gives statistical boosts to the smaller server. Do not SHOW the buff because just having it demoralizes people from playing and is an invitation from other servers to crush you.

Jamaz.9837:

Once free server transfer are over, maintain free transfers for smaller servers, and allow guild upgrades to carry over in special deals.

Further, offer an undermanned buff that actually gives statistical boosts to the smaller server. Do not SHOW the buff because just having it demoralizes people from playing and is an invitation from other servers to crush you.

I agree with lower populated servers being demoralized by seeing the buff. Whenever people see they are out manned they tend to not even try unless someone works the crowd hard.

I’m also sure ANET is working on a way for guilds to have an incentive for moving to a lower populated server….because right now I don’t think there is one.

Yeah…but Kaineng still sounds kinda German :P

The way I see it, with a 300 man guild, isn’t your influence gain off the charts?

kaine. just stop. please don’t ruin all the effort Fub put into building Kaineng. If you really want Kaineng to be successful, just stay quiet. No one who had read your threads has any respect for you. On the other hand, everyone was moved by the PR Fub has put forth for Kaineng.

Please don’t call Fub a “noob” for “stealing” your thunde… actually what thunder. you just jumped onto kaineng for less than a day b/c you couldn’t deliver the “DOMINATION” you promised to BG. Fub had been on Kaineng the whole time slowly building the foundations.