Guild Wars 2

Yeah, totally. Because no one else pulls crazy overtimes.

gebrechen.5643:

Wait.. it was BG betting on the wrong horse. It was mainly BG population claiming JQ had the easy cheesy schedule and your server tried hard to keep that 2v1 with SoR running in match 1.

I’ll try to end this real fast though I’m sure your mind is set and don’t care. JQ was forced into 3rd because SoR and BG needed you to be there due to the 3 easier matches you got. If JQ got 2nd or 1st it would have been near impossible for BG or SoR to over take JQ in the ranks. To clarify that, no one assumed BG was going to take all 3 matches, for the most part people thought BG would take at least 1 maybe none. Blackgate was not the only server pushing for the 2v1 on JQ. Its time to get over it.

gebrechen.5643:

I would not say you knew ZDs would come to you, but you played that card well.
In week 2 SoR was really good and you came back in ppt, but SoR stopped fighting after ZDs joined you and SoR knew that they wouldn’t stand a chance even if they would pull crazy overtimes.

Week 2 was similar to this week as JQ had the lead going into the week days. I really don’t understand how this has been a surprise, almost every BG comeback to date has been around Monday. It worked before seasons and it’s still working. ZDs may have been a huge asset to the success but they aren’t they only ones out there playing hard. For week 2 our come back started in late NA ZDs only helped continue the momentum.

gebrechen.5643:

JaredKincade.9761:

I thought Merc left because they weren’t getting support of BG’s NA?

Now your saying we do overtime? Crazy.

No, the problem is EVERYONE underestimated what BG was capable of, including BG. Go ahead and blame ZDs if it makes you feel better, but we all know deep down they alone don’t make up for the score differences.

I think someone bet on the wrong horse.

Wait.. it was BG betting on the wrong horse. It was mainly BG population claiming JQ had the easy cheesy schedule and your server tried hard to keep that 2v1 with SoR running in match 1.

I would not say you knew ZDs would come to you, but you played that card well.
In week 2 SoR was really good and you came back in ppt, but SoR stopped fighting after ZDs joined you and SoR knew that they wouldn’t stand a chance even if they would pull crazy overtimes.

So, in the end ZDs are the match deciding factor especially against a server with a very low EU population. I’m happy we got some EU guilds and I really like and respect them, but with ZDs backing you there was not a chance of holding the ppt.

Actually SoR lost most of that 20k lead before ZD even transferred (and that was only 10 of them) when ZD had fully transferred SoR were already behind BG by around 7k
there were some SoR that stopped fighting when they heard ZD was transferring not when they actually fought them and lost

Yes JQ do not have the EU guilds to combat BG, I agree but they certainly have the NA, Oceanic and SEA guilds, which JQ have been unable to capitalize on which make the EU gains even more dramatic. But i will say most of JQ still keep on coming out and fighting and i hope you guys are enjoying them, even if the coverage is not in your favor

Wiping ZDs oh oh oh so that is how you call being farmed inside your Lord Room in Garri for 2 hours non stop …. its like IRON said LOL WE FARMZED ZDs IN OUR RESPAWN TOWER 11111

Zylonite.5913:

Tarkus.4109:

Great, another chestbeating thread from BG. Not every server has 24 hour queues all week on all maps and when there is legitimately less people on other respective servers. Even though fighting bgs zone blobs on all maps the with the same 25 people on 3maps, at least we’re getting fights – it would’ve been horribly boring to stay on an overstacked server with no competition.

Edit; comment is in reference to oc and Euro

BG’s commanders pulled off 24-48 hours shifts over the weekend to cover the SEA/Oceanic times.

It is the commander’s tactics/strategies and good scouts on BG that make the difference in points.

No one finds this problematic? Playing for 1-2 days straight, by this guy’s recollection… Guild Wars 2 is life, eh?

Chest-thumping for playing too much. GG.

After that kittening forum software ate my reply. You get the short version.

@Zikory
It was your server that was afraid of losing the league because of the schedule

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/JQ-3-easy-weeks-in-schedule-SOR-1-and-BG-1/first

and initiating a 2v1 vs. JQ. (21 BG replies on page 1 vs. 13 from other servers) The same guys that claim we didn’t show up from monday on.

So basically many of your server were not believing you could win a week against us or played the whine card pretty good. Even if we had come 1st place in week 1 the score between us could have looked like this:
23 : 23
and next week you have the “easy” matchup while we have to play SoR. Week 7 would have been a great kingmaker matchup.

And depending ZDs. As they said they will transfer to your server, you could have easily said “No, we are good enough without you, we don’t need to pay gold, better go elsewehre” as SoR did two times before the leagues as some guilds asked to join them.

That’s the big problem I have with BG. We knew you didn’t show up in the last match before the season. You always declined that. Meanwhile even your commanders state you took “a training week”.
So you could get your propaganda running “JQ is so stacked, you beat us by 100k” with the knowledge all your guilds were mainly in pve farming world stuff.

@Maelwaedd

How will you capitalize against almost equal numbers?
We have a gap in coverage for 6-10 hours (depending how much overtime our Sea can pull) from end of Sea to NA. Many of our Sea played more than 12 hours a day which is pretty crazy just to stop ZDs and your overtime players from turning everything blue. It was clear we can’t pull those hours after the weekend.
And I know your Sea is not that large but you got Ocx which can play into that timezone and you got russians playing into that timezone and they can coordinate with your EU. Our NA are having equal numbers so the whole game is decided when our Sea has to log off.

Ask some of our Sea or EU players what they did the last two days. We were defending garrison against three times the numbers for hours. That’s pretty funny but winning a battle doesn’t mean winning a war.

ballymun.3986:

BG were ticking high PPT during NA and Oceanic timezones, so really, not fair to be making excuses and blaming Zds who were playing mostly SeA TZ, against JQ’s formidable SeA forces. Not their fault a certain JQ SeA commander quit again.

As your own NA people said:

It’s easy sitting in a T3 camp with 20 sup ac and waiting for JQ NA to come for you. That was the situation we had in NA time.
Those T3 structures are the work of outnumbering us with ZDs and EU.

So please, come back if you at least understand the basics of wvw and ppt and troll somewhere else.

Demannu.2805:

Wiping ZDs oh oh oh so that is how you call being farmed inside your Lord Room in Garri for 2 hours non stop …. its like IRON said LOL WE FARMZED ZDs IN OUR RESPAWN TOWER 11111

Have you finally taken our garrison after 5 days trying so hard against pugs?

If winning was purely about coverage, we could just sit afk in our spawn and win. What the little forum warriors forget is that it’s a combination of strategy AND coverage. You can’t says its all coverage when blackgate ticks 350 in NA prime and JQ and SoR are both qued all maps.

Heck, I haven’t even been joining the EBG zerg this week, there’s been a bunch of us goofing around in umberglade defeating SoS armies while our zerg takes objectives (when map is qued for JQ). SoS really likes umberglade for some reason, even though they hardly ever take it when the fuzz is around. Last night we held it for hours until SoS paid JQ to finally come over and 2v1 our little camp! But at least SoS keeps trying, they are amazingly persistent.

Dat tunnel vision rage play too stronk for JQ/SoR.

gebrechen.5643:

@Zikory
It was your server that was afraid of losing the league because of the schedule

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/JQ-3-easy-weeks-in-schedule-SOR-1-and-BG-1/first

and initiating a 2v1 vs. JQ. (21 BG replies on page 1 vs. 13 from other servers) The same guys that claim we didn’t show up from monday on.

So basically many of your server were not believing you could win a week against us or played the whine card pretty good. Even if we had come 1st place in week 1 the score between us could have looked like this:
23 : 23
and next week you have the “easy” matchup while we have to play SoR. Week 7 would have been a great kingmaker matchup.

And depending ZDs. As they said they will transfer to your server, you could have easily said “No, we are good enough without you, we don’t need to pay gold, better go elsewehre” as SoR did two times before the leagues as some guilds asked to join them.

That’s the big problem I have with BG. We knew you didn’t show up in the last match before the season. You always declined that. Meanwhile even your commanders state you took “a training week”.
So you could get your propaganda running “JQ is so stacked, you beat us by 100k” with the knowledge all your guilds were mainly in pve farming world stuff.

I’m going to start backwards. I’m not sure where your getting that we “declined” not showing up the week before seasons. I thought that was common knowledge, I know my guild didn’t form up once that week, our main commander was carebearing and other stuff. I know we were not the only guild on this type of leave. Please don’t try to make stuff up. As for what the trolls say, with your experience, you should know better then to believe every thing said here.

As for “your server that was afraid” maybe, but I know one thing, Blackgate believed in its self. It was posters from SoR and JQ that were saying Blackgate is going to lose and that JQ was going to take the win. We just never corrected you or defended our selves on that front. As for the 3 easy matches, the context of that thread derailed due to the massive amount of PvF players our servers have. First you had 3 guaranteed wins, period. SoR and BG have 1. The other T1 1v1s were unknown at the time of that post so any reference to it now is moot. The point was the schedule was unbalanced and favored JQ, guess that doesn’t matter now…

TBH I’m done on the ZDs front. They have made there intentions and reasons clear. This is a unending argument because your bitter and the only reason you can think of why you lost was because we got a guild. Maybe JQ should have sent more time looking into a EU force rather than adding to OCE and SEA…

gebrechen.5643:

Demannu.2805:

Wiping ZDs oh oh oh so that is how you call being farmed inside your Lord Room in Garri for 2 hours non stop …. its like IRON said LOL WE FARMZED ZDs IN OUR RESPAWN TOWER 11111

Have you finally taken our garrison after 5 days trying so hard against pugs?

Why would we ? the farm is great

Baels.3469 Dude i loved ur story. Please write more!

i thought tarkus left cause we wouldn’t do canons on hills first?

either way. Less QQ more PEW PEW

gebrechen.5643:

After that kittening forum software ate my reply. You get the short version.

@Zikory
It was your server that was afraid of losing the league because of the schedule

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/JQ-3-easy-weeks-in-schedule-SOR-1-and-BG-1/first

and initiating a 2v1 vs. JQ. (21 BG replies on page 1 vs. 13 from other servers) The same guys that claim we didn’t show up from monday on.

So basically many of your server were not believing you could win a week against us or played the whine card pretty good. Even if we had come 1st place in week 1 the score between us could have looked like this:
.

I started that post, so let me comment on it.

Read the thread again, its not about whether or not I thought BG would win, it was about a level playing field for everyone, including JQ. I posted that within an hour of the schedule being released, and had hoped that it would be changed immediately for all three of us (JQ SOR BG) into my suggested schedule.

If JQ HAD won, it would be said you guys didn’t deserve it. It is just as unfair for JQ as it was for BG/SOR.

Things turned out differently than everyone thought for sure, but that doesn’t mean the schedule wasn’t set up very very poorly to start, regardless of the outcome.

ballymun.3986:

gebrechen.5643:

ballymun.3986:

BG were ticking high PPT during NA and Oceanic timezones, so really, not fair to be making excuses and blaming Zds who were playing mostly SeA TZ, against JQ’s formidable SeA forces. Not their fault a certain JQ SeA commander quit again.

As your own NA people said:

It’s easy sitting in a T3 camp with 20 sup ac and waiting for JQ NA to come for you. That was the situation we had in NA time.
Those T3 structures are the work of outnumbering us with ZDs and EU.

So please, come back if you at least understand the basics of wvw and ppt and troll somewhere else.

Whoa, slow down there horsey twinkletoes…

Not BG’s fault your SeA mostly folded (apart from Sfeeee who doesn’t seem to ever sleep) and your Oceanic couldn’t compete with a well put together Oceanic force of current players on BG.
Both our Ocx and SeA forces continued the constant fights from NA TZ. We also handed off well to our EU forces. Something it seemed JQ failed to get a handle on.

Enough of the lame excuses anyway, JQ are massively overstacked, you bought guilds left right and centre, still tried to buy many more to overstack before this week (and failed, the Russian guild from Piken turned your gold down) and even now you’re still trying to overstack even more by buying a 40 man EU raiding guild from Piken Square, who we’re told forgot to transfer last week (lol!) and apparently only raid 1hr a night anyway.
Stop buying lame GvG 1hr a night “raid” guilds and you might eventually put together a community of WvW who play for your server rather than for their own benefit.

You still put up a fight this week, you just didn’t organise well enough to cover the timezones. You have the players, your have the numbers, your organisation of it all was lacking.

haha, which guild is this?

I’m genuinely curious.

Can’t think of any that have 40. Most Piken guilds are 15ish, 20ish.

Jayne.9251:

haha, which guild is this?

I’m genuinely curious.

Can’t think of any that have 40. Most Piken guilds are 15ish, 20ish.

Sparta, from what I read earlier in this thread.

Edit – How could I reply to Jayne without saying hello. Hi Jayne! <3

Jayne.9251:

haha, which guild is this?

I’m genuinely curious.

Can’t think of any that have 40. Most Piken guilds are 15ish, 20ish.

Yeah that’d be the norm, given the queues on PS, you’d be extremely lucky to get even half that amount in, but they do have the ability to field those numbers.
Out of respect to JQ and not wanting to cause any drama for Piken Square, I won’t mention the guild, I’m sure they’ll announce themselves in game whenever they do eventually transfer.

The funny part with that is that people from BG know which guilds we try to buy and not even our leaders know most of this rumors.
Last time I heard about transfers were GD and Tohu.
And if buying guilds for a timeslot would be easy we could play EU time against you on equal level.
You don’t want guilds that leave after being mercenary for a season.

No it’s not Sparta. They already turned down JQ. It’s a mainly UK based guild.

Best part of being a Toaster, i get competitive play without all this T1 drama. Cheers and a preemptive congratulations to BG.

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

You can’t says its all coverage when blackgate ticks 350 in NA prime and JQ and SoR are both qued all maps.

I can’t speak for JQ (though if you read through this thread you can assume it’s the same), but SoR does not queue all maps during NA prime. There are maps without queues even this week when we’re facing TC & Mag. This is telling because you’d expect the fairweather PVErs to be out in force (thus creating queues) in a situation like this.

Also, you obviously don’t understand the advantage having T3 upgraded maps gives a server going into NA prime. It’s not like NA prime rolls around and suddenly JQ or SoR can instantly flip those upgraded spawn towers & then push across the map (thus reducing the PPT).

Poxheart.2845:

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

You can’t says its all coverage when blackgate ticks 350 in NA prime and JQ and SoR are both qued all maps.

I can’t speak for JQ (though if you read through this thread you can assume it’s the same), but SoR does not queue all maps during NA prime. There are maps without queues even this week when we’re facing TC & Mag. This is telling because you’d expect the fairweather PVErs to be out in force (thus creating queues) in a situation like this.

Also, you obviously don’t understand the advantage having T3 upgraded maps gives a server going into NA prime. It’s not like NA prime rolls around and suddenly JQ or SoR can instantly flip those upgraded spawn towers & then push across the map (thus reducing the PPT).

Trust me when I say we are fully aware of the advantage of T3 keeps going into NA. We had to deal with it when IRON first came to SoR. It might be similar to the issues JQ was having this week going into OCE/SEA.

As for the other comment, from what I hear SoR is going through a rebuilding period? That might have a effect on your situation, plus you lost DIE which could field a good amount of people. Also you guys came off a rather unexpected 3 bad weeks so maybe its taking some time to get the morale back up and looking to rally next week for JQ. I don’t know, I can only make assumptions since I’m not on SoR. Either way I wish the server the best of luck and hope everything is well.

Tarkus.4109:

To settle a few things straight, I am an oceanic commander as in my primetime is in GMT+10 (Brisbane, primetime starts at midnight PST which is four hours before SEA starts); during oceanic primetime after lorthos quit and SoR was unable to field their large oceanic zergs we would often as not get a ridiculous ppt into the 460+ range. JQ was largely a non-factor at that time due to its lack of oceanic guilds (0000-0400 PST) where the meta was to PvD JQs assets before SoR did it first. Oceanic is the first timezone to die in world PvP games, as it did in Warhammer before GW2 – and I’d say that competitive oceanic T1 WvW died with lorthos quitting.

Wow, I never realised Lorthos was so influential.

I do think you’re overstating it a tad.

Liquid.9672:

Jayne.9251:

haha, which guild is this?

I’m genuinely curious.

Can’t think of any that have 40. Most Piken guilds are 15ish, 20ish.

Sparta, from what I read earlier in this thread.

Edit – How could I reply to Jayne without saying hello. Hi Jayne! <3

Hello you

I’m still holding out hope you’ll come over with a few for a visit.

As for it being a UK guild … lol, well that should prove …. interesting

Elektrolysis.1569:

The points system in WvW seriously needs overhauling. I find it ludicrous that the victor is usually determined by how much coverage a server has during off-peak hours (aka nightcapping). It’s pretty demoralizing when your server is on top during peak hours and holding several T3 keeps only to get home from work the next day to find that all the progress the server made was lost overnight or during working hours simply because they had more players online during that coverage gap. No wonder people play dead, because quite honestly, their contributions mean next to nothing unless they’re willing to play overtime. Basically, which ever server has more Oceanic players will normally win since WvW is won during off-peak hours.

Example: JQ had a lead of up to 4-5k over the weekend and quickly lost that lead once the weekend was over simply because BG had more players to fill in coverage gaps than JQ did.

Maybe you should stop night capping them during YOUR “peak hours” in a 24/7 game……

You guys really live up your reputation. Keep em coming! JQQ.

Latinkuro.9420:

Elektrolysis.1569:

The points system in WvW seriously needs overhauling. I find it ludicrous that the victor is usually determined by how much coverage a server has during off-peak hours (aka nightcapping). It’s pretty demoralizing when your server is on top during peak hours and holding several T3 keeps only to get home from work the next day to find that all the progress the server made was lost overnight or during working hours simply because they had more players online during that coverage gap. No wonder people play dead, because quite honestly, their contributions mean next to nothing unless they’re willing to play overtime. Basically, which ever server has more Oceanic players will normally win since WvW is won during off-peak hours.

Example: JQ had a lead of up to 4-5k over the weekend and quickly lost that lead once the weekend was over simply because BG had more players to fill in coverage gaps than JQ did.

so basically what you’re saying is that the war effort needs to stop because you need to go to bed, ridiculous even in real wars when the day shift soldiers need to sleep the night time soldiers guard their backs so the enemy doesn’t kill them in their sleep or wipe them out in a surprise attack during the night.

the same principle applies to WvW seeing that it is a 24/7 permanent war going on.
simply conquering territory is not enough ! conquered territory needs to be defended, to defend said territory you need coverage, peak and off peak.

This crying about losing a T3 tower or keep during off peak hours screams of poor coverage, it is not the other server’s fault you are ill prepared and do not have the coverage to defend your conquered territory.

war is not just about killing, it is about supply lines, comm lines aka TS, and back end things that need to be taken care of even before you start killing the enemy like logistics aka coverage

Real war has a lot in common with WvW.
- there are no rules in war.
- the better equipped and better prepared will prevail.
- no mercy for your enemy.
- the enemy of my enemy might be my friend, at least temporarily while our common interests are aligned.

every server knew WAR aka season 1 was coming
How each server used the time before season 1 to prepare and plan their war effort is very important.

some wars are won even before the 1st shot was ever fired
what is happening now is a reflection of the preparation plans of each individual server before the season started.

The objective of a real war is to conquer the enemy… the objective of a video game war is to have fun. Due to certain game mechanics, even if you have all the other aspects covered logisitics etc…. you will still lose the fight. Experienced players know this and frankly just don’t care as much a year after the game was released. They simply won’t put in the overtime that they may have several months back.

Your entire post is also quite funny. It reeks of a bright eyed new player that finds all of this so amazing, “like a real life war”. I remember when this game first came out and all the armchair sun-tzes started cropping up all over the place spouting the same things you are.

Yes there are certain similar aspects, but there are also many mechanics that prevent applying warfare principles. Example being that a smaller force cannot whittle down a much larger force through attrition due to down state and on field ressing. Think about that one sun tze before you start babbling on about non sensical “night gaurds”.

You even divided your post into sections using bold type…….

The double crosser got Double Crossed! :P

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

Tarkus.4109:

Great, another chestbeating thread from BG. Not every server has 24 hour queues all week on all maps and when there is legitimately less people on other respective servers. Even though fighting bgs zone blobs on all maps the with the same 25 people on 3maps, at least we’re getting fights – it would’ve been horribly boring to stay on an overstacked server with no competition.

Edit; comment is in reference to oc and Euro

2 of our maps have no que right now…. so… 24 hour ques all week must mean something else, I must have misunderstood you….

Be honest. While it’s technically true that two of our maps have no queue at the time you posted, it’s because there’s nobody to fight on those two maps, or at least because those two maps we have like a 3-to-1 numbers advantage when it’s not very fun (I’m certain the two maps are BG BL / SoS BL). The maps in which there is someone to fight are practically always queued.

BG is obviously overstacked and the effect is eating into JQ (and SoR before that). In the weak coverage timezone (EU), with BG still running at full gear, JQ / SoR lose many of the T3 towers and keeps the previous timezone (SEA / OCX) worked hard to get. The new timezome people (NA) are stuck with paper towers and keeps, still against a BG that’s running at full gear. Of course this is a disadvantage and they can’t do all that much. When the next day rolls around the SEA / OCX people see they’ve worked so hard for nothing, and it’s easy to lose motivation and just stop playing. This vicious cycle happened to SoR and it’s happening to JQ, hence the fact that JQ isn’t fully queued even though they certainly have enough players to be fully queued. During the weekend when JQ and SoR could field full zergs, BG were nowhere near as unstoppable. In fact in the SoR / BG / TC matchup a while ago, BG were even last at one point.

That said I give JQ credit for playing. The situation as the moment is definitely bad for morale, yet they continue to play (at least on EBG + JQ BL), They’re doing something SoR just gave up on. While JQ can’t hold off BG throughout the day on every map, they’re at least holding off BG on two maps, and even ticking higher than BG at some points. This is a testament to the commitment and skill of JQ, and they should be commended for it. BG may win the league, but JQ should be proud for playing well.

We had 40+ JQ last night Oceanic time with 4 omega golems taking our stuff in BGBL I think it was, there was also no queue then – so yeah, there’s still fights to be had.

Tarkus’ salty tears season my summer time fush’n’chups perfectly.

JQ got RAWKED! BG is like Godzilla and JQ is Japan.

Asklepious.6014:

GoF is doing a full investigation into this and I am in communication with Prophet as it is against GoF’s policy and has always been since day 1 that any commander work in collusion with a commander from another server.

OK I laughed.

BG yet again show themselves to be master politicians.

ballymun.3986:

Who are you ? You’re only on BG what, 2 weeks ?

Only reason we have queues at all is because of the pve rubbish/achievements in wvw, same as any big server.

Simple facts of the matter, JQ have the players, they have the coverage – what they’ve lacked is the organisation, same as SoR.
I’m not going into details on a public forums here but BG have extremely good organisation and many NA guilds pulled serious overtime and extending themselves before and after their normal timezone, to give ourselves the coverage required to win and support our OCX/SEA and EU.

People can make all the excuses they want, doesn’t help to bury your head in the sand and deny you failed to organise your servers’ guilds.

There were many times before leagues our EU were seriously outnumbered by JQ, not to mention our SEA and OCX. One guilds transferring here did not change that, they only roll on one map anyway. Old boring trolling excuses.

Jeydra, your only reason being on BG is to trash talk us, seriously, you’ve made no effort to come on TS, no effort to be part of the community, no effort even to join the servers forums and input. It’s childish and pathetic.

1) I’ve been on Blackgate much longer than 2 weeks.
2) There may be a lot of reasons why we have queues. Doesn’t change the fact that we do have queues.
3) No idea how the things you wrote about organizing guilds is relevant to my post.
4) I’ve written about the reasons I transferred to BG in another post. Just look through my post history. No, I’m not on BG to trash talk you or the server. In fact the post I made wasn’t even trash talking you (or the server). It seems to me that you’re just taking offense because you don’t want to believe that we have a population advantage over JQ / SoR. Or perhaps you don’t like the word ‘stacked’, even though I’m using that to mean that we have lots of (too many) players without negative connotation.
5) I’ve been on TS quite a bit. I’ve also used my voice, and some people have even come to recognize it (hence they asked me why I was typing instead of talking at one point). I’m naturally averse to registering on new forums because reading each new forum is a big time commitment. Given how welcoming the community has been of me, is it a wonder why I’ve not made an exception?

You’re free to call me childish and pathetic. Still, considering how many of the accusations you’ve made of me are factually wrong, I’ll say the same of you.

If I had anything to add to this thread it would be for ZD, all Guild’s really, to better scout server’s in the future. They really misjudged the populations on Bg, SoR, and JQ for their time slot.

ballymun.3986, it is not a lack of organization if one has responsibilities that come before a video game. Which should include ones health. If anyone played for 24-48 hrs as has been boasted, then Arenanet should look into the behaviors their game is reinforcing,

DeWolfe.2174:

If I had anything to add to this thread it would be for ZD, all Guild’s really, to better scout server’s in the future. They really misjudged the populations on Bg, SoR, and JQ for their time slot.

No they didn’t misjudge. They scouted and saw IRON and SoRs other EU guilds out there playing during their primetime. But as soon as ZDs showed up, those SoR guilds ran away.

Wow an honest assessment about the situation, including of one’s own server – don’t see that very often. I commend you Jeydra.

An assessment of a very short sighted view of the situation.

Maybe they aren’t playing dead. Maybe they are dead. maybe Maybe MAYBE

Boast Gate thread is getting tired.

Zikory.6871:

Poxheart.2845:

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

You can’t says its all coverage when blackgate ticks 350 in NA prime and JQ and SoR are both qued all maps.

I can’t speak for JQ (though if you read through this thread you can assume it’s the same), but SoR does not queue all maps during NA prime. There are maps without queues even this week when we’re facing TC & Mag. This is telling because you’d expect the fairweather PVErs to be out in force (thus creating queues) in a situation like this.

Also, you obviously don’t understand the advantage having T3 upgraded maps gives a server going into NA prime. It’s not like NA prime rolls around and suddenly JQ or SoR can instantly flip those upgraded spawn towers & then push across the map (thus reducing the PPT).

Trust me when I say we are fully aware of the advantage of T3 keeps going into NA.

You may, but my comment was directed at WhiteAndMilky. It’s also one of the reasons why you won’t see any posts from me calling BG out for not fighting when IRON first arrived on SoR.

Zikory.6871:

As for the other comment, from what I hear SoR is going through a rebuilding period? That might have a effect on your situation, plus you lost DIE which could field a good amount of people. Also you guys came off a rather unexpected 3 bad weeks so maybe its taking some time to get the morale back up and looking to rally next week for JQ. I don’t know, I can only make assumptions since I’m not on SoR. Either way I wish the server the best of luck and hope everything is well.

It’s hard to say what’s happening to SoR right now. Speaking for myself, I’m somewhat bored of the zerginess of T1 and was seriously considering transferring to a lower tier server in hopes of finding smaller fights. From the frequency of guilds running without a commander tag, I don’t think I’m alone. If things go the way I think they’re going to, I won’t need to transfer. Fighting Mag has been a refreshing change of pace.

Those “3 bad weeks” weren’t unexpected to me, and shouldn’t have been to any SoR player that had been paying attention. SoR’s presence during the first 9 days of the league were anomalous. I think the only people who though SoR had a chance of beating BG during that stretch were BG and recent SoR transfers. (You can spot the latter by the chest thumping they did in the week 1 match up thread and the QQing they did in the week 2 match up thread). Anybody who’s been on the server for an extended period of time would have known that level of effort wasn’t sustainable.

The upcoming JQ/SoR/BG match may result in a larger SoR presence, but I’m not holding my breath.

One can only hope that we (SoR) slip down to tier 2. I was happy there. We played for the fights, talked less trash and just had fun.

even if we don’t slip down I hope we can just not worry about trying to “win” tier 1. Just play the game and fraps all the times the zerg runs from you.

Sreoom.3690:

Boast Gate thread is getting tired.

I think you mean BoatGate, for all our pirate ships we sail around on stealing your precious booty!

someone close this thread already….

SonofNoob.3102:

DeWolfe.2174:

If I had anything to add to this thread it would be for ZD, all Guild’s really, to better scout server’s in the future. They really misjudged the populations on Bg, SoR, and JQ for their time slot.

No they didn’t misjudge. They scouted and saw IRON and SoRs other EU guilds out there playing during their primetime. But as soon as ZDs showed up, those SoR guilds ran away.

The mis-information amongst all the servers regarding ZD and coverage is so terrible. In this thread, one of your guys linked a post by a guy in ZD who was responsible for the BG move. According to the ZD guy, he asked SoR first to join us, and whoever he talked turned them away because we already had a EU population (not sure if the said person knew the size of ZD or that they would start 2 hours before our EU and certainly wouldn’t know the would be emergency situation Iron has). But it’s been speculated and the back and forth of what really happened and why is getting old. Everytime I read a match-up thread, everyone just spews crap out of their mouths. I’m not directly pointing this at you, but BG members have no idea what happened and why, I think all the other sservers should stop speculating based on what they’ve heard their guildmates said from this one guy they know back in a bronze league server on the chinese servers.

I still think it’s funny when BG talks about Iron. You have your own numbers equal to Iron on EU. Not sure why you always try to call it uneven.
Iron was a problem for JQ, because we depend on our NA to help out, but with RK and HB and all those BG going overtime you could easily beat Iron.

And the problem you still don’t get is that Iron is GMT+0/1 while ZDs is GMT4/+5 so, if Iron doesn’t log in 4 hours before there prime they won’t even meet ZDs.
When ZDs logs it’s late night for most Sea and that’s it.

WvW is not real war. We all should know that. However, I do consider it one of the best eSports in forever. The majority of our server and commanders on Blackgate (#Beastgate, #Believegate, #buttgoat, or whatever you want to call us) just wants to win as the developers intended. And that means playing for PPT whenever and wherever possible. Have you ever heard of an NBA team say that they lost because they were just focusing on dribbling the ball and passing better than the other team? I know for sure Blackgate isn’t Harlem Globetrotters.

It sucks that people are making excuses instead of talking about how they are working on covering their gaps, learning from their mistakes, learning better commanding, motivating their pugs/militia. It does entertain though eats popcorn I’d love to hear more about how SoR and JQ are going to push forward.

To those that keep fighting hard, I salute you!

Darksundown.2973:

To those that keep fighting hard, I salute you!

JQ definitely falls into this category overall. You don’t eat an attack of 57 Omega Golems and still own your garrison when it’s over if you’ve given up, especially in a match that was basically decided at that point.

/salute

Baronvonhippo.3157:

JQ got RAWKED! BG is like Godzilla and JQ is Japan.

You remember what happened to Godzilla, Beastman?

Poxheart.2845:

You may, but my comment was directed at WhiteAndMilky. It’s also one of the reasons why you won’t see any posts from me calling BG out for not fighting when IRON first arrived on SoR.

You can consider the “we” in my comment both of us. Also you may not but the other numerous SoR posters made quite a few post calling out BG for not coming out, I think that was around the “RIP BG” comments.

Poxheart.2845:

It’s hard to say what’s happening to SoR right now. Speaking for myself, I’m somewhat bored of the zerginess of T1 and was seriously considering transferring to a lower tier server in hopes of finding smaller fights. From the frequency of guilds running without a commander tag, I don’t think I’m alone. If things go the way I think they’re going to, I won’t need to transfer. Fighting Mag has been a refreshing change of pace.

Those “3 bad weeks” weren’t unexpected to me, and shouldn’t have been to any SoR player that had been paying attention. SoR’s presence during the first 9 days of the league were anomalous. I think the only people who though SoR had a chance of beating BG during that stretch were BG and recent SoR transfers. (You can spot the latter by the chest thumping they did in the week 1 match up thread and the QQing they did in the week 2 match up thread). Anybody who’s been on the server for an extended period of time would have known that level of effort wasn’t sustainable.

Its interesting you say you would like to drop down to T2 considering your more or less blowing out that Tier this week, plus TC would move up so it would be SoS/Mag, being the big dog in a blow out is a nice change of pace.

Obviously your perspective of those 3 weeks must have been different then a majority of your SoR posters. It seemed you all were very confident along with all the BG has no chance comments. Regardless SoR and BG spent a majority of that match within 1k points of each other, with neither of us holding the top spot for very long. Personally I believed Blackgate would win in the end but I didn’t expect it to be by as much as it was. To clarify, I’m referring to posts made prior to seasons where knowledge of those 3 weeks were unknown. It seems odd that BG had more faith in SoR then some of the SoR population…at this point is seems our sheer resolve played a bigger part then our coverage. Just saying we wouldn’t have given up and taken to the forums by Monday.

Wtb more friends!

I still can’t understand why BG has more blob than JQ or SOR because what I see in my daily play in map chat is “everyone rally at cmd” “why we have only 15 man at cmd?”

About coverage I play OCX SEA time and I see Queue only EB (long q time)and BG BL (5-10 mins q time) the other 2 BL always have no queue.