Guild Wars 2

…when they’re naked and guildless?

Can I have a psychologycal approach?

Why not? Is there a negative to doing it?

A: It makes you post this thread.

Bloodlust and greed.

For one, it actually does slightly deny siege resources, especially if you’re holding Obsidian Sanctum.

But, y’know, it’s a game, and people are gonna have fun at it how they want.

Temperantia.3207:

…when they’re naked and guildless?

Can I have a psychologycal approach?

1. Free badge of honor.
2. Free xp.
3. Reciprocation of greivances.
4. Because it’s a war, sans the Geneva Convention.

What does “guildless” have to do with it?

as one of my guildies would say….why am I going to let them get blueprints that would allow them to kill me later?

Your call to walk in there naked, bro. Why should that exempt you from getting a hammer in your face? It’s war buddy, suck it up.

Psychological approach? As Freud once said: He’s naked, kill him!

Temperantia.3207:

…when they’re naked and guildless?

Can I have a psychologycal approach?

Why not? If it’s red it’s dead.

I had a guy try to kill me in a JP after I passed with without being aggressive. I then stalked him every time he came back in and griefed him for a good 30 mins until he stopped coming back in, laughing at his dead body each time.

Some people just love to be bullies, regardless of what excuse about denying them blueprints they want to give you. Sometimes you gotta push back and teach em a lesson.

If they enemy why I should let they alive?
I don’t know who is friend or foe but if u can target me and attack me when I turn back.
(or let my guard down.)
I should kill you first…

Me and my guild basically never attack people inside EB jumping puzzle unless they attack us first. Don’t see the point of killing Pve’rs that just want to do the jumping puzzle/get the achievement as their forced in WvW to do it.

I don’t kill I push them off the side with a mini Asura shockwave it’s probably more of trolling than killing them.

Because you can – what else is there?

For badges.

Its a pvp zone, expect pvp. The jumping puzzle would be a prime place to gank people.

Want to do the jumping puzzle? Get a few blokes and go pvp for it. Imagine that eh?

Why the hell are you naked and guildless in a JP? I’m assuming you are just creating lv 2’s to farm it over and over for badges for a legendary. If that’s the case, man up and get the badges like a real man so you can show off your pixels in LA.

If you are just dumb enough to trust people not to kill you because you are naked, well then I got a bridge to sell you.

Because it’s a PvP area.

Because making them stay out in the actual battlefield and not away from the fighting weakening their forces is a wise tactical decision. A better method would be to lead them astray, especially if they’re PvE players doing the puzzle for the first time, as opposed to the WvW vets who can breeze through the gauntlet. The climb up the well is a great spot, just go ahead of them and jump down the middle into the water, they follow and just get confused, staying in the puzzle for much longer and weakening they forces, annoying them for help and/or resources.

Every PvE noob you leave in the Obsidian Sanctum at peak is a victory for your server.

Kyiv.9621:

I … griefed him for a good 30 mins until he stopped coming back in, laughing at his dead body each time.
…
Some people just love to be bullies

That is so meta.

shagworth.5017:

Because it’s a PvP area.

This and because it probably annoys the hell out of them.

shagworth.5017:

Because it’s a PvP area.

Seriously, what’s so hard to understand.

The real question is why SHOULDN’T you kill enemy jumpers?

The amount of prints you get from the JP is hardly enough to lead a revolution in WvW. It’s far easier to kill a few players for the 6s for one print…imagine the silver and badges for ganking a zerg or killing a zerg at a huge defensive location where they all go in one big egg basket.

Being whacked in the JP is the same idea of burning the ant with the magnifying glass….it’s being done because “they can”. A vicious cycle (circle) of what was done to them and now will be passed on to you which you’ll pass on to someone else possibly (50/50). Is it wrong….not really in a pvp situation. Is it cool…only if you’re a child like mind that liked “boom headshot”.

If someone is naked its really really really tempting to kill them for the easy kill and loot.

It like takes less than 5 seconds to down you when you are naked.

ktith.6197:

The amount of prints you get from the JP is hardly enough to lead a revolution in WvW. It’s far easier to kill a few players for the 6s for one print…imagine the silver and badges for ganking a zerg or killing a zerg at a huge defensive location where they all go in one big egg basket.

Being whacked in the JP is the same idea of burning the ant with the magnifying glass….it’s being done because “they can”. A vicious cycle (circle) of what was done to them and now will be passed on to you which you’ll pass on to someone else possibly (50/50). Is it wrong….not really in a pvp situation. Is it cool…only if you’re a child like mind that liked “boom headshot”.

I’m actually suprised servers arent leveraging the jumping puzzle to there advantage..
Is 320 blueprints attained in less than 2 minutes a worthwhile use of time? Think about it.

Jumping puzzles = free siege.
Free siege = you taking my forts.
Killing enemies at jumping puzzles = less free siege for your team, more free siege for my team.

I dunno about “psychological”, but there’s a great STRATEGIC reason to camp the jumping puzzle.

You are basically asking us why we are camping the big free weapons arsenal. Silly question.

because the puzzles are resources worth guarding and worth fighting for. they offer unique landscape that offer very interesting options to fight. from a camper’s point of view, the puzzles are ideal camping locations. they offer far more chance on one vs one or very small scale fighting than ‘out in the open’. i like fighting there. why should one not fight there ?

edit, and it reminds me a bit of Darkness Falls… oh, the good times in Darkness Falls

Dredlockrasta.8269:

Why the hell are you naked and guildless in a JP? I’m assuming you are just creating lv 2’s to farm it over and over for badges for a legendary. If that’s the case, man up and get the badges like a real man so you can show off your pixels in LA.

If you are just dumb enough to trust people not to kill you because you are naked, well then I got a bridge to sell you.

You do realize the JP badge accrual scales with level and a level 2 is only going to get 2-3 badges out of it, right? The time-to-effort is not really worth it on a level 2 unless a server has full control of the puzzle and a mesmer porting people to the top (or you just really love doing the puzzle).

I don’t know about the other folks running naked in the puzzle, but I do it because I expect people to be who they are and I don’t want to pay for the armor damage.

Temperantia.3207:

…when they’re naked and guildless?

Can I have a psychological approach?

Psychological approach?

OP thought if his character was naked and guildless that other players wouldn’t kill him in the jumping puzzle. OP was wrong and got killed and thought that if he went to the forum to QQ that would make them stop killing him or he could figure out why he got killed in a PVP zone.

Some people out there wont attack you in the JP they say they do it out of the goodness of their heart or whatever lol. In fact they themselves just dont want to be attacked in the jumping puzzle so they dont engage hoping that others wont engage them.

Simple PVP zone learn to play, less QQ more Pew pew.

Theres your Psychological answer lol

Killing people in MMO’s is fun? Particularly when they come to the forums afterwards?

1. Because it’s fun
2. You’re the enemy
3. It’s fun.
4. Loot
5. It’s fun.

Did I mention it’s fun?

JP in WvW should be removed or players in it should have the invulnerable buff (siege shouldn’t be able to be placed inside), players should ALWAYS drop at least 1 badge when killed, some objectives should also grant badges 1 up to 5 (not the dolyaks for obvious reasons) with this you would see a lot more players going for the “objectives”.

Temperantia.3207:

…when they’re naked and guildless?

Can I have a psychologycal approach?

naked char / guildless – alt char , he use 5 chars to farm badges
to balance sides, if somebody want free badges must earn them

Why would you NOT kill them? I join wvw to kill people, no other reason. It baffled me when I was fighting 2 people in one of the jumping buzzles and the other people on my side stood around saying “leave them alone”. I killed them anyway (they weren’t naked) because that’s what wvw is about; killing the enemy.

I am offended by their promiscuity and retaliate against their exhibitionism.

Haven’t you nudists heard of public decency?! Feel the wrath of my judgemental prudishness!

They want to grief people and use the blueprint reward as an excuse. Random blueprint reward is not going to be a deciding factor in a wvw match. Same reason why people spawn camp.

If you don’t want to get continually griefed in the JP, don’t keep going back to the JP directly are you got murdered. It’s a PvP zone. People are going to kill you. Crazy concept I know.

I think alot of people camp and gank in the puzzle because it gets you easy rewards. First you get badges from the chest and then from no effort kills on people that can’t reach you or practice naked pacifism.

If you are one of these naked pacifists a better idea would be to keep your clothes on, run away, use stealth/protect skills and if you still get downed use the hidden escape skill activated with the ALT+F4 button combination. I bet most people would eventually get sick of ganking if it just wasted their time and got them a big fat zero as a reward.

Why kill invaders at jumping puzzles…

Because they’re evil.

And it’s really a CHEAP action to do.

Manoa.5897:

You do realize the JP badge accrual scales with level and a level 2 is only going to get 2-3 badges out of it, right?

Admittedly the lowest toon I’ve done it on is 13, but my lvl 13 has got more badges than my lvl 80s many times. Unless it scales very quickly, I don’t think that’s right at all.

I don’t think it’s possible to get 2 badges either. Pretty sure it’s 3 – 6, since you always get 3 sets of badges that have 1 – 2 each.

Amurond.4590:

Manoa.5897:

You do realize the JP badge accrual scales with level and a level 2 is only going to get 2-3 badges out of it, right?

Admittedly the lowest toon I’ve done it on is 13, but my lvl 13 has got more badges than my lvl 80s many times. Unless it scales very quickly, I don’t think that’s right at all.

I don’t think it’s possible to get 2 badges either. Pretty sure it’s 3 – 6, since you always get 3 sets of badges that have 1 – 2 each.

You’re very likely correct about 3 badges being the absolute minimum. I couldn’t remember the exact minimum off the top of my head, so the 2-3 was a guess (obviously based on foggy memory). But I was farming this puzzle all week last week when our server had complete control of EB and can say for certain that the badge drops scale. My fresh-out-of-the-tutorial characters were scoring +/-3 badges each. They’re now around level 7 and they’re seeing 3-4 now. My low-teens characters were seeing around 5-6 badges. My high-40s character usually saw around 8-10. And my level 80 typically gets +/-16.

Going naked into a jumping puzzle is like dangling a piece of meat in front of a lion.

Well said Azure.

Same reason PKs kill players in other games. They enjoy it.

A: An easy kill towards those 50 needed for your Monthly Achieve.

Saxon.1908:

A: An easy kill towards those 50 needed for your Monthly Achieve.

That’s not really necessary :P I got them in the first 15 minutes I logged on after the reset on Friday.

I am keeping you from getting free sieges, and also because I’m doing something the WvW players on your server would’ve like to do to you since you’re essentially being a dead weight and taking up a queue spot that your server could’ve used to get another WvW player in.

Can you explain your psychological reasoning for doing WvW jumping puzzles at the expense of your server’s interests?

I just blow through the puzzles no point in killing people. Puzzles are the best reward:time spent ratio in wvw. Every second I spend fighting people reduces that and it helps my team very little.

Some might say it’s less siege for the enemy but honestly that’s a worthless ideal. While you spend 4 hours camping a jumping puzzle with 10-20 people your team up in the real world is getting farmed for badges because they have 10-20 less people there. You want to camp EB JP go ahead. I’ll go to the BL JP and do them in a blink of an eye and get 6 blue prints everyday no problem while you waste people guarding the lowest reward:time spent ratio JP.

Obie.3268:

I am keeping you from getting free sieges, and also because I’m doing something the WvW players on your server would’ve like to do to you since you’re essentially being a dead weight and taking up a queue spot that your server could’ve used to get another WvW player in.

Can you explain your psychological reasoning for doing WvW jumping puzzles at the expense of your server’s interests?

PvE players are FORCED by ANet to be in W3 in order to complete the Jumping Puzzles and their World Completion.

Maybe you should be championing the removal of the Jumping Puzzles and the World Completion points from W3 so the “dead weight” PvE players stay out of W3.