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That is actually not my main concern atm.
In my opinion we should be looking for a lasting solution which offers all of us a sense of belonging or being part of WvW.

In that sense i don’t have a problem with the old maps returning, but i don’t believe in devolution being the solution. Returning to the old will not solve the problem we need to look ahead and make the game better together.
I believe firmly that instead of making the new and the old mutually exclusive, we should add the maps together, add some more maps, make a working rotation so players do not get bored with what they are playing in WvW.

I also believe that WvW is more than just fights focussed around blobs and zergs, we have roamers, defenders, scouts, escorters, ambushers, taggers, small offensive initiative (havoc) and maybe even more forms of playing.
Maybe the solution is not only to make the maps what evryone would like them to be, maybe part of the solution is too make the maps more specific allowing a certain kind of fight to be more apparent.

Like introducing an open field map just with multiple locations under different conditions to fight in, or a meta-event spread over several fighting instances which reflect the diverse nature of WvW but which would reflect the fight and have as a real endgame a battlefield victory for a server. This map could also be used for GvG, leagues and competitions aswell.

Do we therefore need to remove things we have, i think that would make WvW even less viable, maybe we should ask ourselves wetter WvW still has a future or as many on the forum have stated is dead, a part of the past.
But all of this stand and falls with the patience and the will of the players to participate actively in WvW.

A good start would be to look at the positive points and to work away the negative points on all the maps and come with suggestions offering opportunities.
Concerning maps there will always be big and small maps, maps with choke-points, maps without, maps with conditions and maps without. Look at how you can improove them to make them playable for all.

You will always have maps that allow either for more PPK or PPT and rankfarm, the answer is to find the balance.

As for automatic upgrades rendering escorting and scouting useless, that is in my opinion a hoax, yes players focus more on escorting dollies they don’t need to stay with the camps as they upgrade, but most do because you need to keep an eye on your enemy if he’s close.

The automatic upgrades are handy to have for defenders if guilds provide them, my guild does, don’t hear any defenders complaining about that and they do allow you to do multiple things whilst your objective is upgrading making you available to do other things.

And yes WvW is way to expensive nowadays and yes it needs to be affordable cause its ruining my wallet , which is not fair, and the upgrades need to go way quicker!!

And Jade Sea is still building Superior arrowcart’s evry 5quare mm of a map wetter it be a tower keep or just a camp, same goes for putting 10 rams or cata’s down in 1 square meter,,, Bringing Alpine back or playing on Desert will never change that!!!!

So many good things in the old and new why do we really have to loose any of it?
sigh

@lil Devils

I agree with you on alot of points, but rolling the game back to pre HOT WvW will not save WvW.

The loyal WvW players are few and alot of the returning players will just stay until they have their belly full and leave again like happened when the Alpine borderlands were still up, when it still was the old system before HOT was released.

Another point is the loyalty to a single server many players have multiple accounts hovering one week on one the next on another server, alot of the players that should be playing WvW are PVE rank-farming in EOTM, not because they are loyal players but because it just is much quicker to do without having the stress of having to play with a guild or for a server. They are careless.

In a sense the arguement of bringing Alpine back is just a cover-up.

How many players really play WvW still atm. how many players still play GW2 atm.? Why the mega-server system?

Looking for positive answers and solutions that do not mutually exclude the other is my answer, contacting as many players as possible from the WvW-gaming community for their help and participation in this process should be the way.

Atm i play with groups from my guild between 3-15 members, some are core-players not all, but they do have the sense to play with the guild as they consider themselves to be part of it. We do all WvW, PvP, PVE together and all use TS.

Don’t i encounter enemies on the desert borderlands, i do, cannot deny the truth,
Do i like the old and the new mechanics, my guildies like em both and we all play WvW not for the PPT or PPK its really not about getting points its about spending quality game-time together and getting the feeling we are doing something usefull.

We help zergs, blobs, individual roamers, small guilds, big guilds, we’re building up stuff (if other players afterwards take care of it!) defending, capping, ambushing and small offensive initiative which we like the most, because it makes zergs and blobs have to split up to come deal with us and gives our zergs and blobs more time to organise themselves.

Take that away WvW will loose its purpose, atraction and sense, opening up another gap in the borderlands when we leave WvW.

Lord Kuru.3685:

1. They’ll put all the HoT failed mechanics into it.
2. Everyone will hate that.
3. People who do come back will quickly leave because of this.
4. Apologists will say “See, people will whine no matter what Anet does.” Everyone else will groan.

This. So much.

People have already decided to dislike it before its even out. The alpine borderlands in rotation is a good theory but its a mistake. It wont fix the real issues of population and scoring. Which have been the underlying problem well before HOT.

EBs success is due to its size and all three enemies having bases on the same map encouraging more fights. If DBL had mirrored this with just one borderlands map and a slightly shrunken size it would be just as popular.

I will invest more time in WvW when there is a group of players with which you can work with. I learnt how to flip a keep alone (takes 30 min.). However, I dont want to flip a keep alone all the time. I need some action. If the old BL will bring back the action, I will invest more time as well.

Never left, but no bringing back ABL will not encourage me if they do it and scrap DBL, if anything it would give me more indications the end is near.

This is a witch hunt. Bringing back ABL is not a silver bullet.

Have to agree with the above. ANet needs to ask, why is EB always populated where as both DBL and ABL had less people on them. Its the equal footing. Both DBL and ABL should be restructured to be equal footing and then remove the concept of home borderland and have those three maps (EoTM would be a plus to some which would make 4) what players are fighting over. That still won’t address the other issues though like population, balance, rewards, scoring, but it would create more places people want to fight over.

TheGrimm.5624:

Never left, but no bringing back ABL will not encourage me if they do it and scrap DBL, if anything it would give me more indications the end is near.

This is a witch hunt. Bringing back ABL is not a silver bullet.

Have to agree with the above. ANet needs to ask, why is EB always populated where as both DBL and ABL had less people on them. Its the equal footing. Both DBL and ABL should be restructured to be equal footing and then remove the concept of home borderland and have those three maps (EoTM would be a plus to some which would make 4) what players are fighting over. That still won’t address the other issues though like population, balance, rewards, scoring, but it would create more places people want to fight over.

Equal footing, strategic building placement, but most important of all, it is a FLAT battlefield where players can focus on PVP and not gimmicks. Players want to win because they were better fighters, not because some stupid thing popper out of the ground or knocked the other teams players off the cliff. Even things like Siege ran off players from fighting inside structures, so the more focused on actual player skill the better if you want to draw a crowd. The less things trying to prevent actual PvP and interfering with it, the more players will want to PvP there.

I can always tell people that are not familiar, have barely played the DBL maps because they always cry out for flat places to fight without gimmicks. Hahahaha. Theres more open wide flat places on DBL then ANY other map in this game. With no gimmicks around it.

Combine this with the people who still think the waypoints are in the side towers and you get a clear view of the knowledge level of the people crying out for ABL.

Again, the ABL is just a bandage for deeper technical issues.

lil devils x.6071:

but most important of all, it is a FLAT battlefield

We will continue to disagree here. I don’t mind some flat areas, but I also want more challenging environment. I want to have to pay attention to my placement. I want that challenge of being mindful of where I am. I want to use the environment against my enemy. I don’t want he who has the biggest zerg auto-wins. I want chokes that are chokes and areas where a smaller force can challenge a larger one. I want a variety in my fights.

Nightshade.2570:

I can always tell people that are not familiar, have barely played the DBL maps because they always cry out for flat places to fight without gimmicks. Hahahaha. Theres more open wide flat places on DBL then ANY other map in this game. With no gimmicks around it.

Combine this with the people who still think the waypoints are in the side towers and you get a clear view of the knowledge level of the people crying out for ABL.

Again, the ABL is just a bandage for deeper technical issues.

I think you misunderstand. The entire EBG is FLAT near spawns, and you can have many fights going on all over the place at once. Not have guys that just came back to the game not be able to make it to your flat piece of land past all the gimmicks just to get out of spawn..

You should not have to go backwards to go forwards, left to go right, up to go down .. straight line to and from action to keep people in the action. Direct easy to understand for first time players routes close to spawn is best for large scale PvP. Every objective should have direct easy to see non gimmick routes.

Why players have always favored EBG over any of the maps, that isn;t new to just DBL, DBL just made it much much worse.

question!

Why don’t you remove the EBG map and add it to the borderlands rotation system.

It would give players another map the play on taking the total amount of maps to 3.

If they create another map and add that to it you would have 4 different map on a weekly rotation.

You would only have to play Desert Borderland evry 4 weeks with its mechanics, keep the new mechanics for towers, keeps, camps. Add all positive ideas from the past make something enjoyable for all groups of players.

Because enforcing one view on the game will automatically lead to another group of players going away we need more players, not players going away?

Its not said that the players coming will be that staggering of an amount of ppl and will they be back permanently or just till a new game which arouses their interest is released?.

On top it would create space for an open map for open field fights, with different locations, environments like i said somewhere where the 3 server can come together to do repeating meta events trough fighting leading up to a victory of on or the other server? you could do GVG league there, competitions and so on.

Btw i’m not saying its perfect, but it would like take the drag away of having to play on the same map evry week and add a location that is really suited for total blob-zerg fights and a real meta-event for WvW with visible results for evry server?

Btw i would cut the link between EOTM and the supply drops in WvW, we need the players from EOTM to come back rejoin players on WvW maps not the inverse.

TheGrimm.5624:

lil devils x.6071:

but most important of all, it is a FLAT battlefield

We will continue to disagree here. I don’t mind some flat areas, but I also want more challenging environment. I want to have to pay attention to my placement. I want that challenge of being mindful of where I am. I want to use the environment against my enemy. I don’t want he who has the biggest zerg auto-wins. I want chokes that are chokes and areas where a smaller force can challenge a larger one. I want a variety in my fights.

Yes, you like that, but that is why the majority of the players have always favored EBG, hell prior to DBL, many would not leave EBG due to indirect routes on ALPINE. LOL

If you want to know why it is popular, that is why.

lil devils x.6071:

Yes, you like that, but that is why the majority of the players have always favored EBG, hell prior to DBL, many would not leave EBG due to indirect routes on ALPINE. LOL

If you want to know why it is popular, that is why.

Again we disagree, its popular because there are more people and more people because all sides are equal. Flat by itself does not cut it.

Alpine will not change that.

if i remember the middle was a ruin you had to circumvent, the real fighting areas were south left and right below keep. North of the left and right tower. Below the bottom ruin and south camp. Those were open.

Between the towers and the keep left and right was a siege death-trap if the enemy server knew where to put his siege and was in control of both towers and keep

The right tower had 2 covered choke-points, the left tower could be neglected.

The areas in the left and right keeps were bigger.

That being said plenty of ergs and blobs ran to their death following apt commanders who wanted to jump down the wrong places.

More players will stay EBG like you say because its flat, Alpine has crevaces, rocky sides and slides its just smaller.

Will that solve the issue of the lack of players i don’t think so.

TheGrimm.5624:

lil devils x.6071:

Yes, you like that, but that is why the majority of the players have always favored EBG, hell prior to DBL, many would not leave EBG due to indirect routes on ALPINE. LOL

If you want to know why it is popular, that is why.

Again we disagree, its popular because there are more people and more people because all sides are equal. Flat by itself does not cut it.

Flat is why the nubs won’t leave it. HAHA
Zerg may hop and leave half of it there because they will get lost leaving Citadel. lol

@ Nightshade

i understand and i agree with you on much.

But the main issue you say is scoring and i don’t agree, the main reason players left because Alpine had become a drag, evry the same over and over, you can do that for a period but not for years in a row unless you have a major brain-fart while doing it.

Thats why i suggest rotation of maps.

The second issue i do agree scoring points and PPK and PPT.

The third players being stuck in EOTM instead of WvW where they should get their ranks.

You will have your rotation map don’t worry…
It’s just the time they program this. But they will clearly not remove DBL.

I loved ABL and don´t like DBL but HoT brought a lot more bad things than just DBL: Class imbalances, power creep, autoupgrades, change in waypoints, banners, tactivators, removal of guild upgrades, PvE grind for WvW guilds and lots of bugs. And it didn´t solve any of the issues that were already present. Bringing back the old maps is not enough to get me back in the game.

At one time, I would have said, “Heck Yeah”…but not so sure nowadays. Things have moved on. New Guild fired up in another game and having a good time there. Old guild here dead and friends moved on.

I’ll step foot into WvW to sight see the ol homestead. Might even follow a zerg around. But its highly unlikely I’ll ever play like I used to.

The momentum is gone ((shrug))

If Alpine shows up as it was, I don’t think I’ll bother with it until a subsequent update. It was incredibly frustrating to stress over getting a side keep upgraded (I was usually assigned to Hills, but did Bay if it was being hit harder) only to see it get murdered by a zerg that just flew onto the map. I could spend 4 hours working to upgrade and have all of that wiped out in 3 minutes if the comms were busy when an enemy zerg map hopped. With the fresh LoS changes on ACs (which I supported), I could do basically nothing to stop them outside of a super risky disable. Tower trebs and spawn camp trebs were bad enough, but at least they were relatively slow.

I didn’t play for the last 2.5 weeks of Alpine largely because I didn’t see any meaningful return on my efforts and didn’t feel like sinking more cash into defenses that offered no protection for me and little more than a bump in the road for my enemies.

If Alpine is released without the HoT gimmicks or with only the good ones (I love the new sentry system). Me and my friends are definatly coming back to roam on those maps. Roamed 3000 hours on Alpine BL and I could probably roam even more if it’s back on track. Just hope that the tactivators they confirmed they would implement don’t get in the way of fair fights.

Snowy terrain with green grass and water was always prettier than sand… and sand…. and more sand… (my opinion).

Yes, yes and yes.

I miss the old alpine borderlands! If pvp stays sunk, I will personally cross over to wvw PERMANENTLY.

Sviel.7493:

I didn’t play for the last 2.5 weeks of Alpine largely because I didn’t see any meaningful return on my efforts and didn’t feel like sinking more cash into defenses that offered no protection for me and little more than a bump in the road for my enemies.

And how many cash do you need to activate the guild upgrade ?
You need those upgrade if you want to be “competitive”… If you don’t apply them you loose a lot to help you defending.
You will probably be able to upgrade 4/5 keeps just with the cost of 1 emergency WP…

so much yes

But how long do you think the same old will grab the attention of the players.

-the old ones that left because it was a drag or found a better game, if they return how long will they stay?
-The ones playing atm. divided between the thoughts of improving or restoring the game totally, will they stay when you push this trough? the players accustomed (that like) to the new mechanics will leave if you remove them.
-the players in EOTM who get ranks trough quicker rank-farm and have no loyalty to what so ever guild? Can you depend on them to leave a rank-farm whichs is quicker than Old school and new type WvW?
-What about players that like to use the new map at their advantage like small offensive initiative versus the annoying perme-stealth thiefs and mesmers that would tag and port entire guild-groups straight to a keep? 3 seconds to get there and port back to spawn to open it? Is that the only idea you can come up with for a surprise attack? port – build cata’s – Overwhelm? what about perma-thiefs destroying the other classes and all other forms of initiative? Do you think no one would leave?

do you think in al hearnest that the numbers of players returning to WvW would be enough to fill for all the players that will leave WvW when you reset a game to two years back?

That is why i was supporting the idea of a rotation:

- 1) week alpine map (can be old schgool except for towers keeps and camps to help the defenders)
-2) Bring EBG out of the center adapt it its a great map for all Battlefield-types, put it in the rotation
-3) Desert Borderland map, harder new mechanics, other sytem, other way of playing.
-4) new to be designed conditions map (leave the ideas up to you)

5) And in the center what is now EBG tp be replaced by a multi functional map, that allow the WvW population to have a much broader location for GvG, with different locations, conditions, and surroundings allowing for bether open field battles and a repeating PPK Meta-event between the 3 servers, split over 5-6 different condition areas on the map? The reward would go to the winning server and maybe be names as a decisive victory with attached rewards no just from drops but also from the event. On the same named map you could organise the GvG league that you are referring to.

You could work together with the arena—net devs to work out the new map.

I would actually go for a new league for WvW an international one on that new borderland ending in a decisive battle between the best Eu server, the best Usa server and maybe arena-net should consider creating an Asiatic server to maker it 3 ways. Including rewards etc etc; Just an idea.

This is if you wish to combine the best of the old with the best of the new.

its just an idea in the end the choice is up to you, but i will say one thing if you play the same map wetter it is Alpine or Desert most players will get a brain-fart and will feel it to be a drag having to play the same maps over and over.

Especially the players that return cause they been here done that before.

Question is wetter you are looking for a lasting solution that is beneficial to all or just to you until you run out of players to play WvW.

I’m just trying to look for a solution that will suit all (including myself) and that will last longer than returning to an one old map.

a positive idea nothing more do not want to tread on sore toes, plz forgive me :-)

Yes it will bring me back. Its the reason i left and the reason im checking in here everynow and then like now to see if WvW is gonna be fixed

you will get it back as a alone standing map with the new mechanics?

Will that offer a lasting solution for WvW?

Why do you think i did all the effort of gathering all of your opinions throughout all the parts of the forum and all the post you posted, to get a positive reaction to my idea of a poll/survey.

As it stands you have condemned all the players in WvW to two years at least of just Alpine borderlands without any possibility of change.

You will hence get less players back than you drive out of the game.

That was also my reason to put up a real poll/ survey to find out where the heart of the WvW community lies and to assure that players would come back to WvW.

Congratulations you won a Pyrrhuss victory in the end making all of us will loose WvW.

Now you will end up with neither of both and congratulations are in order.

Angel Heart.6739:

you will get it back as a alone standing map with the new mechanics?

Will that offer a lasting solution for WvW?

Why do you think i did all the effort of gathering all of your opinions throughout all the parts of the forum and all the post you posted, to get a positive reaction to my idea of a poll/survey.

As it stands you have condemned all the players in WvW to two years at least of just Alpine borderlands without any possibility of change.

You will hence get less players back than you drive out of the game.

That was also my reason to put up a real poll/ survey to find out where the heart of the WvW community lies and to assure that players would come back to WvW.

Congratulations you won a Pyrrhuss victory in the all of us will loose WvW.

Now you will up with neither of both congratulations are in order.

The Alpines were requested WITHOUT the HoT mechanics. It’s Anets fault for putting them in there. Hence how they fail to listen…

Yes and you and how many players are coming back and how long do you intend on playing WvW in GW2?

If you want to use sarcasm learn to use it in the proper way, if you don’t even have a notion on how you use it i wouldn’t try to challenge anyone.

Really!!!

Yes you getting alpine back!!!!

Didn’t anyone tell you its with the new mechanics so congratulations you’re one of the ppl that condemned WwW to another season or more of the same old kitten that players were bored with before they left for other games, instead of a map-rotation and a decent goal that would offer a stable future for WvW in GW2.

Instead of a lasting option that would be acceptable fot the entire WvW gamer— community you and maybe 200 other players on a total amount of 10,000 maybe players decided that all of us are condemned to brain-fart evry week for the next kittening two years on exceptinially alone on the Alpine Borderlands.

With the kittening new mechanics, i have prolly to agree with all the devs you are kittening sheep ppl offer you a lasting solution for all your problems and you are to blind to see the surplus in it.

Well you can enjoy it halo guild is leaving WvW, you can screw yourselves over, we will not be part of this charade, good luck in your lonely void world.

No, because that for me is not the problem i find within this game.

Angel Heart.6739:

Yes and you and how many players are coming back and how long do you intend on playing WvW in GW2?

If you want to use sarcasm learn to use it in the proper way, if you don’t even have a notion on how you use it i wouldn’t try to challenge anyone.

They make a pill for that…

I have to wonder if some people have gone bat kitten crazy. Unless Anet says that all they’re doing for WvWvW is bringing ABL back and not changing it for another couple years, then maybe you ought to chill TF out.

And Angel Heart, did you really expect a lot of people to read your forty paragraph posts? Get get a grip.

Angel Heart.6739:

Yes and you and how many players are coming back and how long do you intend on playing WvW in GW2?

If you want to use sarcasm learn to use it in the proper way, if you don’t even have a notion on how you use it i wouldn’t try to challenge anyone.

We will be playing it as long as they keep making it the best Large scale PvP game on the market. They actually have a chance to do that and if they listen to the majority of the players and do make these improvements, you can be sure these players are going to bring their friends, family, co workers into the game they enjoy as well. That is how it goes when you have a great company who listens to their players and tries to make the best game they can.

When the players are happy and enjoying the game they are too busy playing it with their friends and family to be discussing what is broken on the forums..

@ lil devils

Are you promising a permanent solution?

- Without the new players that will leave WvW when you take out the new mechanics?

-Depending on old players that might not participate after 2- 5 months of WvW, becausse they already had 2 years of the same kitten on Alpine Bdl. for over 2 years evry day?

I was in WvW from the start i saw them leave are they supposed to be loyal? What till the next game-title comes out that suits them more? Is your option going make them stay permanently?

- Without breaking the rank-farm on EOTM, without getting these players to pledge their loyalty to guilds and actively participate in WvW

You must be superman i salute you only a superhero can pull this one of!

It goes against all forms of logic
But if you really want to bust your brain and mind
Be my guest

Goodluck

Bringing anyone and evryone, families and kids included are you living a fairytail or did you loose all grip on reality?

I don’t wish to be sarcasric but you’re lacking logic m8, its not going to happen.

Angel Heart.6739:

@ lil devils

Are you promising a permanent solution?

- Without the new players that will leave WvW when you take out the new mechanics?

-Depending on old players that might not participate after 2- 5 months of WvW, becausse they already had 2 years of the same kitten on Alpine Bdl. for over 2 years evry day?

I was in WvW from the start i saw them leave are they supposed to be loyal? What till the next game-title comes out that suits them more? Is your option going make them stay permanently?

- Without breaking the rank-farm on EOTM, without getting these players to pledge their loyalty to guilds and actively participate in WvW

You must be superman i salute you only a superhero can pull this one of!

It goes against all forms of logic
But if you really want to bust your brain and mind
Be my guest

Goodluck

Bringing anyone and evryone, families and kids included are you living a fairytail or did you loose all grip on reality?

I don’t wish to be sarcasric but you’re lacking logic m8, its not going to happen.

The few that leave over the failed mechanics being repaired will not be noticed as much when all the maps are queued. Yes we are offering permanent solutions. You see, this was only supposed to be only one step of many and then go in the opposite direction of where they took it. Once they at least put it back to the spot where it could even be repaired, they were supposed to change the focus to large scale PvP mode and unhook it from PvE, balance it, add proper rewards and incentives to do more in WvW. You can have maps with more objectives, more PvP incentives, added depth and strategy to combat without diminishing the focus on player skill and super kitten it up with PvE nonsense that just makes the game mode lame.

Not sure what type of gaming community you play in, but I have been here a LONG while.. My first big guild was started on campus @ UT Austin and has over 2,000 members now. Many of us play numerous different games together still. I have always enjoyed playing with our hundreds of guildies family and friends here on my GW2 based guilds as well. I play this game with my real Friends and family. We actually hang out together inside and outside of games, that is how much of the gaming community is. My sister and her husband even crashed at one of our guildies homes while they were moving back down here from PA a few weeks ago… LOL

Sorry if playing with your friends and family sounds like a “fairy tale”, but for the rest of us who enjoy being part of the larger gaming community, it is just how it has always been. Maybe one day you can be comfortable having fun playing with friends and family too. It is nice to be able to have those you enjoy playing with most being able to play the games you enjoy with you. I know I enjoy playing with those I care about.

" Lacking Logic" would be thinking it would be a good business decision to ignore the thousands of players that have been here since GW1 who filled out the surveys they used to make this game asking for Large scale PvP that have been telling them they hate the direction they have been taking this.

I’ll understand why ANET creates useless work for themselves. They are spending time right now adding in all the HoT junk. Why? Most people don’t enjoy that.

A much better approach would be to keep all the HoT stuff out of the map. Let people compare the old system vs the new. Then decide what to do.

Logic is hard.

well this is short for logic

just pulled my 62 ppl strong WvW guild from WvW and the server we are afililiated with , we’ll enjoy EOTM atleast its more fun than talking sense into you all, i won’t even borher .

Not leaving with a grudge, we believe in balance you don’t offer it.

good luck, at least we tried.

Angel Heart.6739:

well this is short for logic

just pulled my 62 ppl strong WvW guild from WvW and the server we are afililiated with , we’ll enjoy EOTM atleast its more fun than talking sense into you all, i won’t even borher .

Not leaving with a grudge, we believe in balance you don’t offer it.

good luck, at least we tried.

Exactly what is “logical” about pulling a small " WvW" guild from one game mode to go to one that is just a PVE K train? Why would a WvW guild PvD, kill NPC, get chest? Tbh that sounds irrational, not Logical. That is just what a PVE guild does in 99. 999 % of the game. Are your guildies really going to be happy with that?

I am not understanding what it is you are actually wanting to do in the end or what your " vision" of WvW should look like. My vision is a game where all servers open have maps queued with nonstop massive pvp battles that go on for hours and the winner takes the spoils and the objectives. The best actual teams with the best fighters are the winners, not the ones who can die fastest so they can go back and Pvd..

I don’t think that is asking for too much.