Until they fix the ridiculous scoring mechanic of WvW, leagues will continue to be a joke and encourage many of the worst aspects of WvW. Most people want fun even fights and not gimmick crap like leagues. At this point they are just polishing a kitten .
Complaining about the season BEFORE it happens will doom it to failure. Just go in and have fun!
Sorry, but whats the point in playing in something you know you won’t (can’t) win?
Do not go for the win. Go for the glory. Go to represent your server. Go for the fights. Go for the fun.
Since when is losing fun?
Hmmm – ok so I can go back to my server’s actual wvw map today and be run over cause I am a tourist and only come up here when there is a special achievement (and be a bag farm) or I can hang out in EOTM and get lots of bags. Yeah, I think I will just bag farm there for a while – still get the achievements and don’t have to bother w actually playing wvw. Cool. Don’t like that nasty old wvw place anyway. This is sooo much more pve.
And this season (uhh tournament) I don’t have to do as much and I can get more “stuff” and transfer back and forth depending on who is ahead. And get more stuff. Perfect.
(p.s. – the “stuff” is not actual stuff, just skins so it is all good)
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Complaining about the season BEFORE it happens will doom it to failure. Just go in and have fun!
Sorry, but whats the point in playing in something you know you won’t (can’t) win?
Do not go for the win. Go for the glory. Go to represent your server. Go for the fights. Go for the fun.
Since when is losing fun?
Winning is everything – loosing is nothing. I agree loosing is not fun.
interestingly enough, during the first WvW CDI, population imbalance was the most listed problem with WvW. which they actually pointed out and acknowledged themselves afterwards. and it appears their solution to the population imbalance was to remove the punishments for server stacking (queues), and to add incentive for server stacking (the rewards from this tournament).
i’m guessing that there’s a proper amount of crack one can smoke to where that solution actually makes sense, because anyone with a functional brain can see how stupid of a plan it was. unless, of course, they were actively trying to kill WvW for some reason…. then that plan is the best way to go.
+1. Yes, Devs, would you care to comment on the appropriate amount of crack?
Honestly, I don’t even know what to say. The ignorance of this decision goes beyond making me angry at this point. I just think we need to study it……for science.
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interestingly enough, during the first WvW CDI, population imbalance was the most listed problem with WvW. which they actually pointed out and acknowledged themselves afterwards. and it appears their solution to the population imbalance was to remove the punishments for server stacking (queues), and to add incentive for server stacking (the rewards from this tournament).
i’m guessing that there’s a proper amount of crack one can smoke to where that solution actually makes sense, because anyone with a functional brain can see how stupid of a plan it was. unless, of course, they were actively trying to kill WvW for some reason…. then that plan is the best way to go.
+1. Yes, Devs, would you care to comment the appropriate amount of crack?
Honestly, I don’t even know what to say. The ignorance of this decision goes beyond making me angry at this point. I just think we need to study it……for science.
I don’t even think its crack. Its probably just an overdoes on gummy bears.
Of course they are making it so that you can get achievements from EotM; do they actually expect the BG-SoS-DB match to be in doubt?
If ANet keeps insisting on these ‘competitions’ (leagues, tournaments), then they really should consider getting rid of these week-long matchups and going back to 24-hour ones. Back during those beta matches, people actually cared about PPT and would pull all-nighters if they had to. Now there’s no point if you’re the underdog server; your entire guild could stay up all weekend, win PPT and upgrade all of your towers / keeps to T3…it will all just get wiped out on Monday during off-peak hours and the other server will tick for 500+. Grats, you lost. Hope you can afford those weapon skins!
Coverage would still be a huge advantage in 24 hour matches, obviously. But at least they’d be a lot more competitive (isn’t that the entire point of a tournament?) and would be appropriate for the 24/7 nature of WvW.
Maybe others disagree, I don’t know. I just know that the current system isn’t really fun anymore (IMO).
Honestly…I just want fights, whatever server I end up on for this stuff…
But if those weapon skins actually look any sort of good…I am so bandwagoning to T1 just to get them. =P
Same old, same old and worse each time. More players going to transfer to tier 1 now…
Good job Anet… not!
I’m unsure why Devon mentions that this new tournament style will make WvW more competitive. WvW will never be truly competitive because disparity in coverage/numbers removes any form of competitiveness. By nature, WvW can never be a competitive game mode……at least not in its current form.
+1
“All players who complete the meta achievement will receive a set number of tournament tickets based on world placement”
Reward stacking servers thus creating a bigger gap in coverage.
“Instead of being associated with the first world you log in on during the tournament we are tracking various activities in WvW to more closely align your rewards with the world you played on”
Milking the server transfer cash cow.
“We’ve also added an NPC to all the WvW maps who can tell you which world you are currently associated with”
Gee thanks.
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They should have kept the rewards kittenty like they did for the first season. The greatest reward for season 1 being as I was on ET was seeing everyone who transferred get trolled by the terrible rewards. If people thought bandwagoning was bad the first time around it will be worse given they have stated the new system will award tokens based off server performance and that the rewards will include unique skins. Being able to get the achievements inside EotM will only make things worse.
Oh well… I won’t transfer and I know many others won’t either but it almost seems like people are being punished for staying on their home server instead of transferring up.
The personal effort should be rewarded instead of the world position, it really bothers me to be in a very good world (the best so far, very friendly people, decent wvw organization and so on) but we are around 13th place in EU ladder. If the number of tickets i get depends on that, it probable means i’ll get half of the tickets.
Half of the prize no matter how much time i spend in wvw, how much i care, how much i love my world and i’m ready to fight for it. A bigger blob will come and annihilate us in many matches and that’s it.
I was extremely disappointed on the season 1 rewards which was absurd for the amount of effort required by the meta, if you didn’t end up in one of the very few top worlds you basically got nothing you couldn’t get from rank reward chests (oh, and a useless minipet..there are much better looking ones than a wvw dolyak anyway).
Bigger rewards to top worlds sound very like a pathetic excuse to cash up with gems and transfers..but if this is the way GW2 is going, i’ll probably be playing spring season in ESO..
I don’t need any of those rewards, so no need to leave Eotm.
my 2 coppers:
“tournament” format
i’d be interested to see how Anet will manage the match-ups in 1v1v1 or 2v1 games, seeing that Swiss-system tournaments are done in 1v1 games usually.
achievements
i’d be interested also in seeing what the achieves will be like this season. more achieves that encourage zerging and griefing (e.g. take x towers, destroy y bridges, use z supply on siege) or useful wvw things (e.g. proper scouting, escorting dolyaks when supply is low, defending camps)? knowing Anet, they probably will not impress.
rewards and transfers
wvw “tournament” rewards should be just for prestige, like a title or finisher, and nothing else. the moment you give out valuable loot tied in to achievements, the loot and achievement hunters who care for nothing else and have no server pride will start stacking on high-tier servers, servers that are already high-pop and will have queues during the “tournament”.
what then happens is the people who can contribute (experienced wvwers, scouts, commanders, coordinated guilds etc.) can’t enter maps day after day. they get frustrated and either leave gw2 (since all they play is wvw) or move to low-pop servers, which cannot possibly have the coverage and numbers to win matches against top-tier servers anyway.
so, all Anet is doing is filling ncsoft’s pockets (so they can spend it on a wildstar expansion but not a gw2 one) and destabilising high-tier servers while not really helping the low-tier servers, where loyal players might be fighting way harder than bandwagoners. and who gets the reward in the end? the bandwagoners, who spent gems to transfer to a high-pop server, not the skilled, loyal players in the low-pop servers (OMG THIS IS PAY 2 WIN START FORUM THREAD AND QQ ARGLHFLBR£$^&!!$%*).
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I’m unsure why Devon mentions that this new tournament style will make WvW more competitive. WvW will never be truly competitive because disparity in coverage/numbers removes any form of competitiveness. By nature, WvW can never be a competitive game mode……at least not in its current form.
Coverage will win; so I will just turn-up and fight in an attempt not to be last.
The playerbase will say that the results are predetermined, and continue to demand that ANET “fix” population imbalance, while ignoring that we are the only ones who can “fix” the imbalance.
The only action that ANET could take to balance populations would be to arbitrarily move players from stacked Tier 1 servers to T9 servers, and prevent the players from transferring out of T9.
People stack because they want to win. This is quite understandable; I would prefer a chance at getting 10 shinies, rather than the 1 or 2 consolation not-quite-so-shinies that I will end-up with, but I have made a QOL decision to stay where I am.
The prohibitive cost of transfers is frequently raised as a reason that people don’t transfer down: This is nothing but a strawman.
Time to put your cards on the table guys: If it was free to transfer from a stacked / queued Tier 1 to an outnumbered / unqueued T9, how many of you would actually go?
Feel free to name yourself; then we can see if you do move if/when free transfers are implemented.
Of course, very few people would transfer, because we are all “disorganised, no-skill scrubs” (which translates to “we have no idea how good you are, but you won’t get lots of shinies”)
If winners get more tickets and you’re on a server that has 0% chance to win due to population/coverage, then the only way to get more tickets is to pay gems to transfer.
Pay-to-Win FTL.
If winners get more tickets and you’re on a server that has 0% chance to win due to population/coverage, then the only way to get more tickets is to pay gems to transfer.
Pay-to-Win FTL.
Everyone seems to be glossing over the fact they said that your Server reward alignment is based on your WvW participation history? If you transfer to Blackgate now, you will have to work your kitten off doing WvW objectives to be considered a Blackgater when it comes to rewards.
also the most expensive rewards should be server specific, like a Blackgate finisher. Getting that if you dont truelly believe in blackgate is a waste of time.
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So its starts just when TESO headstart begins, what a coincidence…………….. NOT. Just pathetic.
TESO is awful. Won’t matter anyways.
You can tell the people who didnt try the TESO beta cause they are still excited for the game.
I have played it and I agree its less of a threat in the short term. However this just makes their decision on timing more pathetic.
my 2 coppers:
“tournament” format
i’d be interested to see how Anet will manage the match-ups in 1v1v1 or 2v1 games, seeing that Swiss-system tournaments are done in 1v1 games usually.
Based on the current standings, assuming they use a straight forward Swiss style and winners get 3 losers get 1 it looks like this is the order:
JQ – 21
BG – 16
SoR – 16
SoS – 16
FA – 16
TC – 15
Mag – 15
YB – 15
CD – 15
DH – 15
SBI – 14
BP – 14
HoD – 14
NS – 14
DB – 13
IoJ – 13
EBay – 13
FC – 13
AR – 13
SF – 12
ET – 12
GoM – 12
DR – 12
Kain – 7
Honestly, I don’t even know what to say. The ignorance of this decision goes beyond making me angry at this point. I just think we need to study it……for science.
. . . .for science!!! YES!!!
As Albert Einstein said in a manner of words for solving our problems, “We must use a different way of thinking than what was used to create our problems.”
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Based on the current standings, assuming they use a straight forward Swiss style and winners get 3 losers get 1 it looks like this is the order:
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hmm.. i guess we will see, when this “tournament” starts. i’m EU btw :p
You’re still being placed in leagues. lol l2read. Mag going for Gold. Once again.
I actually don’t have an issue with the new Tournament. It looks better thought out than Season 1. My only gripe is that the rewards should scale based on participation. In other words, the more you participate the more of a reward you get. It shouldn’t be a flat reward for meeting some flat achievement.
hmm.. i guess we will see, when this “tournament” starts. i’m EU btw :p
This is the same estimated breakdown for EU I used for US:
Seafarer’s Rest – 21
Elona Reach – 16
Riverside – 16
Baruch Bay – 16
Vizunah Square – 15
Kodash – 15
Jade Sea – 15
Augury Rock – 15
Piken Square – 15
Gunnar’s Hold – 15
Desolation – 14
Aurora Glade – 14
Far Shiverpeaks – 14
Abaddon’s Mouth – 14
Drakkar Lake – 14
Fort Ranik – 14
Miller’s Sound – 14
Gandara – 13
Ruins of Surmia – 13
Dzagonur – 13
Ring of Fire – 13
Blacktide – 13
Whiteside Ridge – 13
Arborstone – 12
Underworld – 12
Fissure of Woe – 12
Vabbi – 7
Who exactly are they going to match T1 servers against other than the same three they’re already matched against? They’ll just destroy any other server (well, two of them will anyway . . .).
Meh situation now doesn’t really tell anything. Nobody don’t even try in EU tier 1. Our main zerg is in EotM most of time and just jump in empty borderlands and cap some empty keeps and go back in EotM.
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You can get any ticket from winning in BG or JQ or any world, but your REWARD will base on the world u r associated with, which means a lot of guilds will transfer back to their home world… another huge income for Anet… ::)
Rewards still based on server ranking/coverage/stacking.
You’ll be able to get your meta done in EOTM (so no worries about not being able to get into real WvW, just go to a rank 1 server).
I know A-net wants to monetize WvW but doing this to get server transfer $ is not the right way to go about it. This sort of thing actually harms WvW by stacking higher ranked server even more to get better rewards. Instead make cash shop items that appeal to WvWers. For example… an item that auto consumed food/oil when it ran out would sell like crazy to WvWers for example.
You should be rewarded based on the amount you participate/achieve yourself. Not on how well the server you’re on does.
I’d suggest everyone starts stacking on SoR now (BG already full, JQ will be full in a week or so). Then start on TC and so on. I’ve been thinking about it all day and can only assume Devon wants to just have the gold league, everyone else who wants competitive or meaningful WvWvW should transfer there ASAP. There isn’t any other reason I can see for arranging it this way. It solves balance issues too, without any development required. Added bonus while counting the gem sales.
Of course the next league/tournament/season may well require us all to transfer somewhere else (more gems) so you better all start saving now.
If winners get more tickets and you’re on a server that has 0% chance to win due to population/coverage, then the only way to get more tickets is to pay gems to transfer.
Pay-to-Win FTL.
Everyone seems to be glossing over the fact they said that your Server reward alignment is based on your WvW participation history? If you transfer to Blackgate now, you will have to work your kitten off doing WvW objectives to be considered a Blackgater when it comes to rewards.
also the most expensive rewards should be server specific, like a Blackgate finisher. Getting that if you dont truelly believe in blackgate is a waste of time.
No. They mean participation history during the tournament. So if you transfer on the last day of the tournament, you won’t get much rewards. If they do it the way you say, players new to WvW won’t be getting any rewards just because they’re new.
So again, if you need to transfer to get the full rewards, then it’s Pay-to-Win; especially considering the fact that winning or losing is independent of your actions and only depends on coverage.
No. They mean participation history during the tournament. So if you transfer on the last day of the tournament, you won’t get much rewards. If they do it the way you say, players new to WvW won’t be getting any rewards just because they’re new.
I don’t think its that clear, they definitely need to clarify how it will work.
Straegen how dare you put our server that low! For shame.
Hopefully the weapon skins are amazing looking
If winners get more tickets and you’re on a server that has 0% chance to win due to population/coverage, then the only way to get more tickets is to pay gems to transfer.
Pay-to-Win FTL.
Everyone seems to be glossing over the fact they said that your Server reward alignment is based on your WvW participation history? If you transfer to Blackgate now, you will have to work your kitten off doing WvW objectives to be considered a Blackgater when it comes to rewards.
also the most expensive rewards should be server specific, like a Blackgate finisher. Getting that if you dont truelly believe in blackgate is a waste of time.
No. They mean participation history during the tournament. So if you transfer on the last day of the tournament, you won’t get much rewards. If they do it the way you say, players new to WvW won’t be getting any rewards just because they’re new.
So again, if you need to transfer to get the full rewards, then it’s Pay-to-Win; especially considering the fact that winning or losing is independent of your actions and only depends on coverage.
new players will show 100% of their WvW statistics on that server so they will get credit. People who did most of their WvW play on Blackgate will be blackgate. Someone who captured 1000 keeps on devonas rest and transfer to blackgate would be a devonas rest associate until they put in enough work to be considered a blackgater.
If it did work that way, i think it could solve most issues. You can transfer if you really want, but dont expect to be considered part of your new server reward wise until you have earned that association. I mean otherwise, what problemm does it really solve? The rare case of someone transfering to blackgate for reward, then back to home server cause they like it there? better of spending that 40 bucks on gems to gold if you want to pay to win. Also that guy doing that isnt really messing up wvw as a whole, because hes still on his home server.
Rewards still based on server ranking/coverage/stacking.
You’ll be able to get your meta done in EOTM (so no worries about not being able to get into real WvW, just go to a rank 1 server).I know A-net wants to monetize WvW but doing this to get server transfer $ is not the right way to go about it. This sort of thing actually harms WvW by stacking higher ranked server even more to get better rewards. Instead make cash shop items that appeal to WvWers. For example… an item that auto consumed food/oil when it ran out would sell like crazy to WvWers for example.
You should be rewarded based on the amount you participate/achieve yourself. Not on how well the server you’re on does.
Anet’s profits recently came out and they are making a killing. I wonder what percentage of it was server swapping.
i just wonder how people justify the cost of transfer to the tiny reward you get for winning the tournament like few dragonites/emphyreal….
~“Instead of being associated with the first world you log in on during the tournament we are tracking various activities in WvW to more closely align your rewards with the world you played on.”~
I dont think its “participation history during the tournament”, it’s the history the world u stay longer in WvW.
that means, if u transfer to Tier 1 server, but eventually the reward still depends on the world u associated with which maybe tier 3 server (if u stay longer in tier 3 WvW). u have options to stay on Tier 1 world wishing your Tier 3 world will perform better, or, u transfer back to make your tier 3 world better.
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I do not think the incentive to transfer is as high as some people may expect from my standpoint, because why would I pay gems (which cost real money) and leave my guild just for the possibility that I MAY get better rewards on another server. Seems like a worthless mission to me, but hey I am not everyone. It is obviously a major issue, but it is really difficult to implement a solution without changing the way WvW works with regards to how players are placed on teams. Arena Net I am sure will figure something out though
I just plan to stay in EOTM.
I just plan to stay in EOTM.
Even when SOR isn’t facing BG and JQ?
Kind of pathetic that EotM is part of this. I thought this was a wvw tournament based on points?
I just plan to stay in EOTM.
Even when SOR isn’t facing BG and JQ?
sure. ppt gets old
I just plan to stay in EOTM.
Even when SOR isn’t facing BG and JQ?
sure. ppt gets old
Would have thought mindless zerging in EOTM without any overriding purpose would get old as well.
promising rewards for transferring to winning server in middle of season + exclusive weapon skins = this is how u make money.
im gonna throw up i think.
hmm.. i guess we will see, when this “tournament” starts. i’m EU btw :p
This is the same estimated breakdown for EU I used for US:
Seafarer’s Rest – 21
Elona Reach – 16
Riverside – 16
Baruch Bay – 16
Vizunah Square – 15
Kodash – 15
Jade Sea – 15
Augury Rock – 15
Piken Square – 15
Gunnar’s Hold – 15
Desolation – 14
Aurora Glade – 14
Far Shiverpeaks – 14
Abaddon’s Mouth – 14
Drakkar Lake – 14
Fort Ranik – 14
Miller’s Sound – 14
Gandara – 13
Ruins of Surmia – 13
Dzagonur – 13
Ring of Fire – 13
Blacktide – 13
Whiteside Ridge – 13
Arborstone – 12
Underworld – 12
Fissure of Woe – 12
Vabbi – 7
The announcement state they are keeping the gold/silver/bronze league so you’d have to split this into three distinct tournaments.
I just plan to stay in EOTM.
Even when SOR isn’t facing BG and JQ?
sure. ppt gets old
Would have thought mindless zerging in EOTM without any overriding purpose would get old as well.
better than midless zerging and pv dooring elsewhere, lol.
I just plan to stay in EOTM.
Even when SOR isn’t facing BG and JQ?
sure. ppt gets old
Would have thought mindless zerging in EOTM without any overriding purpose would get old as well.
better than midless zerging and pv dooring elsewhere, lol.
SOR wants to go down to T2 because that isn’t the case in T2.
I guess the idea of “the world u associated with is the world u stay longer in WvW” will make a lot unhappy, but this is an idea to guarantee ANet get more transfer and sales in gems.
those jump ship to tier 1 and thought they r super will get the same reward with those fighting hard in their homeland, well, i m happy with tat…::)
btw, why ask ppl to join your world, coz u can only win by “numbers” ?? haha, funny
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