Guild Wars 2

as title , its boring as watching paint dry. i roamed for 3hours on a tier1 server today and found 3 fights , 2 of those fights the enemy just ran away , i actually roam as a staff ele due to the fact if i play anything else people just run from me. so Roam as a Staff ele and people run away from u . please implement something in wvw to bring it back to life . your Rank system, the way u unbalanced seige ruined this game.

Reasons why i think wvw died a death.

NO cross server GVG implemented. (OS is ok but u get a busy gvg and u get Que on OS)

Seige unbalanced and broken. way over powered

Bloodlust. - buff

WvW rank system causing seige to do even more damage. eg:
(roaming theif gets hit by a cannon and it takes 3/4 of his hp.) so roamers try run around fighting each other in open feild cant do it without a treb/arrowcart/cannon/morter hitting them.) if u run a roaming spec all it takes is 1 person to do 3k damage to u then cannon will down u.)

reason it think these points are valid?
everyone constantly talks about it saying its broken/stupid.

I roam, but as a poor ranger who runs around in gear that I picked up from mobs in PvE, I avoid fights because I know that I will lose a 1v1 99.99% of the time (I’ve only won a 1v1 twice ever).

I roam because I want to contribute towards my server. I kill sentries, flip camps, escort dolyaks, refresh siege. Me dying would not contribute to my server, so if I see an enemy on the distant horizon, I run the other way.

If I wanted fights, I’d go PvP.

I play on a T2 UE server at prime time and always find a lot of fights while roaming, never got killed by a cannon or an arrowcart, I suggest you to dodge them.

What roxybudgy said. You want to constantly PvP, then PvP. I don’t go out of my way to roam and fight for the sake of fighting. I roam to scout, flip camps and sentries, and escort yaks. Maybe cap bloodlust. I don’t go looking for fights.

but wvw is pvp also … if you don’t want to fight … go pve or watch television …

I am a transfer from Sorrows to Dragonbrand. WvWvW is dead. Up until two weeks ago I roamed exclusively; stayed away from blobs, siege etc. The maps are so dead we resorted to taking north camp and waiting (sometimes 10 minutes) for enemies show up. Trust me, this gets old when you’ve done it nightly for months.

What are we left with? PvP? A capture the flag red team/blue team halo match? Umm… no thanks. Halo did it better imo

Oh look yet another WvW is dead thread.
Obviously the people I see in WvW must be figments of my imagination, the queues I saw after reset on Friday were also figments of my imagination, in fact I must be a figment of my own imagination.
Paradox time -if you are reading this you don’t exist because I don’t exist because I WvW and see others in WvW but the OP says that WvW is dead therefore we weren’t there and don’t exist.
The alternative is that the OP is incorrect and WvW is not dead – which do you think is more likely?

You want better roaming action you need to transfer to a lower server. In t3 I could occasionally find people to duel but if I was roaming and flipping camps they would chase me down with 10 people.

I’m in T7 now and I find good roaming action every time I play. The servers don’t have the manpower to leave 30 people in each bl so you end up fighting 1-3 people until you make a mess of their bl.

The rule of thumb is they will usually bring equal to double your numbers to deal with you. So a 5 man group will usually fight 5-10.

WvW is neither dead nor healthy. Actually, the situation seems to be deteriorating.

Having queues on reset doesn’t necessarily mean that WvW is fine or anywhere close to fine.

Being on a server, that is rated as Very High Populated one and being in the middle of the ranks, while you almost never see a queue and you hardly have numbers to compete some other servers means something.

I love everytime a T1 player says WvW is dead because I find the activity they aren’t finding on the “Thumbleweed tiers”.

I guess it’s Karma…

Nidome.1365:

Oh look yet another WvW is dead thread.
Obviously the people I see in WvW must be figments of my imagination, the queues I saw after reset on Friday were also figments of my imagination, in fact I must be a figment of my own imagination.
Paradox time -if you are reading this you don’t exist because I don’t exist because I WvW and see others in WvW but the OP says that WvW is dead therefore we weren’t there and don’t exist.
The alternative is that the OP is incorrect and WvW is not dead – which do you think is more likely?

You might not be noticing this on your server, but WvW is in fact dead or dying in the lower tiers (I’m taking about Bronze league here).
Sometimes there is some activity, specially on reset night, or when the matchups are super close, but in general WvW is as alive as a south african desert.
So, all the “WvW is dying” threads do have some truth in them.

Davey.7029:

Nidome.1365:

Oh look yet another WvW is dead thread.
Obviously the people I see in WvW must be figments of my imagination, the queues I saw after reset on Friday were also figments of my imagination, in fact I must be a figment of my own imagination.
Paradox time -if you are reading this you don’t exist because I don’t exist because I WvW and see others in WvW but the OP says that WvW is dead therefore we weren’t there and don’t exist.
The alternative is that the OP is incorrect and WvW is not dead – which do you think is more likely?

You might not be noticing this in your server, but WvW is in fact dead In the lower tiers (I’m taking about the bottom 3-4 server on Bronze league). Sometimes there is some activity, specially on reset night, or when the matchups are super close, but in general the WvW population is very small in certain servers, and the “WvW is dying” threads do have some truth in them.

Except all the wvw is dead threads come from kitten where wvw is certainly not dead. If they are not finding fights its because they are not looking very hard if they are anywhere near prime time.

It would be entirely different if these threads were coming from t8, but no one is there to make the threads! All jokes aside, free transfers to lower tiers please.

Davey.7029:

So, all the “WvW is dying” threads do have some truth in them.

Quite possibly, but they weren’t the threads I was questioning.

Davey.7029:

Nidome.1365:

Oh look yet another WvW is dead thread.
Obviously the people I see in WvW must be figments of my imagination, the queues I saw after reset on Friday were also figments of my imagination, in fact I must be a figment of my own imagination.
Paradox time -if you are reading this you don’t exist because I don’t exist because I WvW and see others in WvW but the OP says that WvW is dead therefore we weren’t there and don’t exist.
The alternative is that the OP is incorrect and WvW is not dead – which do you think is more likely?

You might not be noticing this on your server, but WvW is in fact dead or dying in the lower tiers (I’m taking about Bronze league here).
Sometimes there is some activity, specially on reset night, or when the matchups are super close, but in general WvW is as alive as a south african desert.
So, all the “WvW is dying” threads do have some truth in them.

Are you talking about EU or NA? My main account is on AR and roaming is solid throughout the day. Large scale fights pretty much only happen around prime time but that isn’t what the OP is looking for.

If you’re looking for small scale, it depends on the time of day IMO. This week it’s been pretty low in activity, perhaps because of other games and the holidays, there is also a difference between roamers looking for fights and players just in the general vicinity really.

And I also don’t think there’s such thing as Solo roaming these days, often there are groups rather than other solo roamers – so you might have to merge with other players if you want to avoid getting ganked by them.

I roam all the time but that doesn’t mean I’m looking for a fight. I can be far more effective by making making certain no yaks or supply are available to the bad guys, while our zerg opens a can of relentless on a keep.

T1 player wants to run around solo and have solo fights, claims nobody is there but somehow is being hit by siege.

Conclusion: in T1 siege is operated by the ghosts of all the people that used to WvW.

Further conclusion: me roaming as (primarily) a staff ele for years now gives me no insight that roaming is alive and well no matter what time I do it on my non-T1 server.

Final conclusion: whiners will, when not having exactly what they want delivered to them, whine.

Zimmy.4726:

as title , its boring as watching paint dry. i roamed for 3hours on a tier1 server today and found 3 fights , 2 of those fights the enemy just ran away , i actually roam as a staff ele due to the fact if i play anything else people just run from me. so Roam as a Staff ele and people run away from u . please implement something in wvw to bring it back to life . your Rank system, the way u unbalanced seige ruined this game.

Reasons why i think wvw died a death.

NO cross server GVG implemented. (OS is ok but u get a busy gvg and u get Que on OS)

Seige unbalanced and broken. way over powered

Bloodlust. - buff

WvW rank system causing seige to do even more damage. eg:
(roaming theif gets hit by a cannon and it takes 3/4 of his hp.) so roamers try run around fighting each other in open feild cant do it without a treb/arrowcart/cannon/morter hitting them.) if u run a roaming spec all it takes is 1 person to do 3k damage to u then cannon will down u.)

reason it think these points are valid?
everyone constantly talks about it saying its broken/stupid.

I know I just replied above, but then I looked at your post history and found this gem from a month ago:

Zimmy.4726:

this is idiotic lol i just laughed at this post due to the fact that WvW is not suppost to be balanced its place of freedom dont even attempt to change it

And just had to put it in a post where you list everything that’s wrong and “unbalanced” about WvW such that you can’t get solo fights the way you want to.

misterman.1530:

What roxybudgy said. You want to constantly PvP, then PvP. I don’t go out of my way to roam and fight for the sake of fighting. I roam to scout, flip camps and sentries, and escort yaks. Maybe cap bloodlust. I don’t go looking for fights.

If you don’t want to pvp, don’t go wvw cos there are actually people looking for folks like you.

If you’re dodging fights it’s not roaming, it’s just scouting. I still roam, it’s what I mostly do in WvW.

WvW can be plenty active and roaming still be dead if all you have are scouts and zergs.

roxybudgy.8205:

I roam, but as a poor ranger who runs around in gear that I picked up from mobs in PvE, I avoid fights because I know that I will lose a 1v1 99.99% of the time (I’ve only won a 1v1 twice ever).

I roam because I want to contribute towards my server. I kill sentries, flip camps, escort dolyaks, refresh siege. Me dying would not contribute to my server, so if I see an enemy on the distant horizon, I run the other way.

If I wanted fights, I’d go PvP.

Nobody cares about points or who wins any more relax and l2p, casuals!!!!

I find roaming in T1 EU to be very different from roaming in T1 NA. T1 NA is full of tanky, look how much condi I can get on you builds, whereas I hardly see any of that when I roam NA. I find it makes for a much more enjoyable experience when you’re someone like me who enjoys playing all classes when you don’t have to build everything around condi removal. Its still fun on NA but it just feels more limiting. So I would say EU is still very much alive, NA is kinda niche.

After being on blackgate for a whole 2 weeks, can confirm what you said lol…

Best place to be for roaming is on IOJ or some other unlucky t3 server that has the t2 left overs trying to PPT their way back into t2…

game is dead = not as much players as there used to be

I don’t say it’s completely dead, it’s just filled with (shameless condi) thieves , mesmers, and just a few engis. Maybe you can find some tryhard longbow rangers, but that’s just some free meals.

I’d rather say the quality has dropped really far. I’ve never seen or very rarely seen zerk/medi guard, sd ele, dd ele, condi necro or even axe/shield warr.

ionix.9054:

I am a transfer from Sorrows to Dragonbrand. WvWvW is dead. Up until two weeks ago I roamed exclusively; stayed away from blobs, siege etc. The maps are so dead we resorted to taking north camp and waiting (sometimes 10 minutes) for enemies show up. Trust me, this gets old when you’ve done it nightly for months.

What are we left with? PvP? A capture the flag red team/blue team halo match? Umm… no thanks. Halo did it better imo

Lol. If you are on Dragonband waiting for a server a 10th your population to come out and play, like NSP, forget it. If you are vastly outnumbered, it ain’t fun. As for “WvW is PvP” – I meant that roaming is not a thing I do – I will defend a keep/tower, or siege it. I don’t run around looking for fights for the sake of fighting.

BlueBoy.1236:

I don’t say it’s completely dead, it’s just filled with (shameless condi) thieves , mesmers, and just a few engis. Maybe you can find some tryhard longbow rangers, but that’s just some free meals.

I’d rather say the quality has dropped really far. I’ve never seen or very rarely seen zerk/medi guard, sd ele, dd ele, condi necro or even axe/shield warr.

Thieves,(given how silly GW2’s implementation is) will always be common when roaming, it’s just that they now have a viable condi option and of course there will be people who embrace the added safety.

Yes, it gets old fighting the same 3-4 classes using pretty much the same builds but I think what kills the fun for some is running around seeing no one then when you finally find action it’s a band of 7 to 9 who’ll chase 3 clear across the map without fail and the siege bunnies who will not come out until at least twice your numbers show up to help them. I’ve been running around solo and have had people dive into RI’d camps to immediately build siege…for one person. Lol it’s in a sad state.

If you are looking for a lot of small fights and lot of duels : try EotM.

When I go in there, I find roamer all around the place that are harassing the big uplevel zergs. You can duel them, they are there for that and they want it. Also, if you follow the enemy zerg, players will come to fight you.

Also that zerg is not interested to run after 1 roamer so you can usually follow them all day long if you want.

But yeah, WvW is not the place to find small fights. Go to EotM for that.

WvW is not the place for roaming/small fights etc.. Those you encounter by themselves or in 2’s are probably running to their group. Expect them to either run from you or be no contest.

As others have said, EoTM or sPvP is the place for that.

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

I roam all the time but that doesn’t mean I’m looking for a fight. I can be far more effective by making making certain no yaks or supply are available to the bad guys, while our zerg opens a can of relentless on a keep.

OK I gotta give my 2 cents about these kind of posts. If you zone into WvW, you are looking for a fight. If you’re killing my servers yaks, you are looking for a fight cause someone will hunt you down, me included. Same with supply camps etc. All of that is looking for a fight.
Stop this “I run around in wvw but don’t want to fight” silliness. Thanks.

DeadlySynz.3471:

WvW is not the place for roaming/small fights etc.. Those you encounter by themselves or in 2’s are probably running to their group. Expect them to either run from you or be no contest.

As others have said, EoTM or sPvP is the place for that.

More nonsense. If I can run around solo and intercept that help, those reinforcements, then I am doing a job to help my team.
There you go.
If I run into another skilled player and we duke it out, well, all the more fun then.

Zimmy.4726:

as title , its boring as watching paint dry. i roamed for 3hours on a tier1 server today and found 3 fights ,

lol. There haven’t been roamers in T1 in the last year. Where have you been? T1 is blogs and havoc teams.

Gudradain.3892:

If you are looking for a lot of small fights and lot of duels : try EotM.

When I go in there, I find roamer all around the place that are harassing the big uplevel zergs. You can duel them, they are there for that and they want it. Also, if you follow the enemy zerg, players will come to fight you.

Also that zerg is not interested to run after 1 roamer so you can usually follow them all day long if you want.

But yeah, WvW is not the place to find small fights. Go to EotM for that.

Everyone I have ever met in EotM is a free bag. I’ve run into plenty of thieves that run around trying to gank uplevels and smacked them around like the little kittenes they are while I was leveling characters. EotM is a complete joke, please leave that crap out of the WvW forum.

I solo roam inside zerg in EotM.

I solo roam alot (in t1) but not to do 1v1 but to help my server, by scouting, running supplies, killing enemy yaks, flipping their camps, or tagging their keeps.
Killing another roamer is useless to me because my server doesnt profit from it as much as from me doing other stuff.
I rather have duelists like you chase me for 15 minutes and achieve absolutely nothing with it than engage in a 1v1.

Jim Hunter.6821:

Everyone I have ever met in EotM is a free bag. I’ve run into plenty of thieves that run around trying to gank uplevels and smacked them around like the little kittenes they are while I was leveling characters. EotM is a complete joke, please leave that crap out of the WvW forum.

The joke is WvW. Everyone you met in there is either terribad and running back to the nearest tower or chasing you all around the map with their skill blob that outnumber you 10 to 1. This is not PvP.

WvW used to a very nice place but it was because of the diversity of people in it. This was WvW 1 year ago :

• Karma trainer : Your usual skill less blob where you go to relax, get loot or attack them to get easy bags and troll
• Map Completionist : Would rather be somewhere else but at least they can follow the karma train and get some loots!
• Defender/Scout : The best feeling is really when you can crush a 50 man karma train with well placed siege all by yourself (this is what made me play WvW so much)
• Skill group : Most effective way to destroy your opponents. Always a blast to take on group bigger than you.
• Roamer : Your average troll/ganker that happen to flip a camp from time to time

WvW today :

• Karma trainer : Long gone to EoTM which make WvW more empty
• Map completionist : Still stuck in WvW but it’s even worse for them without the karma train
• Defender/scout : Frankly got nothing to do. The karma train made it lively for them. There was an attack every 15 minutes. Now you sit for hours on your AC doing nothing.
• Skill group : Chasing roamer and map completionist all around the map because they got no one else to fight…
• Roamer : Being chased by skill groups or watching people sit on arrow cart in tower? Let’s go flip all the camps on this map and hope to get some fair fights.

Suicide scout still applies. If the white swords go away, there will be plenty of work for scouts willing to lay there dead and report.

The mercenary camps make a great place to pass the time until you get run over by a zerg.

Gudradain.3892:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Everyone I have ever met in EotM is a free bag. I’ve run into plenty of thieves that run around trying to gank uplevels and smacked them around like the little kittenes they are while I was leveling characters. EotM is a complete joke, please leave that crap out of the WvW forum.

The joke is WvW. Everyone you met in there is either terribad and running back to the nearest tower or chasing you all around the map with their skill blob that outnumber you 10 to 1. This is not PvP.

WvW used to a very nice place but it was because of the diversity of people in it. This was WvW 1 year ago :

• Karma trainer : Your usual skill less blob where you go to relax, get loot or attack them to get easy bags and troll
• Map Completionist : Would rather be somewhere else but at least they can follow the karma train and get some loots!
• Defender/Scout : The best feeling is really when you can crush a 50 man karma train with well placed siege all by yourself (this is what made me play WvW so much)
• Skill group : Most effective way to destroy your opponents. Always a blast to take on group bigger than you.
• Roamer : Your average troll/ganker that happen to flip a camp from time to time

WvW today :

• Karma trainer : Long gone to EoTM which make WvW more empty
• Map completionist : Still stuck in WvW but it’s even worse for them without the karma train
• Defender/scout : Frankly got nothing to do. The karma train made it lively for them. There was an attack every 15 minutes. Now you sit for hours on your AC doing nothing.
• Skill group : Chasing roamer and map completionist all around the map because they got no one else to fight…
• Roamer : Being chased by skill groups or watching people sit on arrow cart in tower? Let’s go flip all the camps on this map and hope to get some fair fights.

The reason ebay bl rarely gets solo roamers is because you all have such a reputation for siege humping. At best I’ll get a couple fights before y’all start building sup ac’s and bali’s in upgraded camps or avoiding me all together to back cap.

It is just more fun to hit the other bl when faced up against you. Luckily most of your decent roamers are usually there too so there are still plenty of fights.

I actually kind of like doing this sometimes because I can listen to music instead of the commander. Flip the merc camp then follow the mercenaries to the nearest enemy supply camp and flip that too. If you get away with all that, plus points for you. If you get killed out there, you can provide remote eyes for 4 minutes or so while you go get a drink and start the next album.

Jim Hunter.6821:

The reason ebay bl rarely gets solo roamers is because you all have such a reputation for siege humping. At best I’ll get a couple fights before y’all start building sup ac’s and bali’s in upgraded camps or avoiding me all together to back cap.

It is just more fun to hit the other bl when faced up against you.

Mission accomplished.

Grav.3568:

Jim Hunter.6821:

The reason ebay bl rarely gets solo roamers is because you all have such a reputation for siege humping. At best I’ll get a couple fights before y’all start building sup ac’s and bali’s in upgraded camps or avoiding me all together to back cap.

It is just more fun to hit the other bl when faced up against you.

Mission accomplished.

Right?! It’s a great strategy since they have the strongest night crew in our tier. Most mornings they have every map capped, they sit in towers and keeps with a crap ton of siege and when you finally break in they bail out without fighting so you don’t even get the satisfaction of killing them.

By the time you cap your stuff back you have the choice of banging your head against more siege wars and no fights, or you can hit the other server where you will get a better chance at finding fights. Funny thing is I usually find way more ebay to fight on the other servers bl. The ones that camp siege seem to stick to their own bl and eternal.

Norseman.4280:

If you zone into WvW, you are looking for a fight.

Do I have to tell you again? No, I’m not looking for a fight, at least not when I’m roaming. If I’m in the zerg, or taking your keeps, then I know I’m in for a fight.

If you’re killing my servers yaks, you are looking for a fight cause someone will hunt you down, me included. Same with supply camps etc. All of that is looking for a fight.

No, I’m really not. I’m looking to kill your yaks, road guards, and flip camps all without you even noticing that I’m doing it. I want to disrupt all your supply while our zerg forces your defenders use supply for repairs.

When I’m roaming I don’t want to meet you at all. You are more than welcome to hunt me down, but 99% of time you wont find me, and even when you do I usually get away from you.

Do not worry, the new event where they remove white swords and add PPK will totally revitalise WvW, and we can then spend the next 2 years enjoying these special additions before the next ones are added!

Pinkamena Diane Pie.8054:

Do not worry, the new event where they remove white swords and add PPK will totally revitalise WvW, and we can then spend the next 2 years enjoying these special additions before the next ones are added!

I’m drowning on the ammount of sarcasm comming from this post… help plz!

definition of t1 roamers is 10 men chasing 2 eles from one corner of the map to another corner of the map)))

You guys can stay up there with all of that kitten-fest

Solo roaming and WvW are not dead. These threads are extremely misleading and irritating.

Everyone runs from you? Who is everyone, 3 people ran from you and that’s everyone, isn’t -t? Roam some more. You’ll find plenty of fights. Poking your head outside your territory for 5minutes to flip an enemy camp is not roaming and you’re not going to find fights lingering around your own towers/keep.

Hello! I am Oscuro of Kaineng! I can assure you WvW is very much NOT dead. You are doing it wrong. The roaming servers are the low tier servers, like Kaineng, SoR, and SF. If you are on these servers, you cannot expect large zerg to come and help you in your fight, you cannot expect to find fair fights. Nothing is fair when you are roaming, and that is what makes WvW what it is. You fight unfair, kiting around buildings, ambushing people, and doing whatever is necessary to kill people. So many like you claim to see no one, but what they truly see is no solo roamers. They avoid white swords and try to find the other single person on the map sitting in the mid ruins trying to find you. Statistically, if you avoid people, you will see less people. It’s simply a fact.
If somehow, you go to every white sword, go to every call out in chat, and never see anyone, you are very unlucky. Be ready to fight against 5-20 people alone or with only a few others by your side, or you will continue to have the same problems.

Waiit what? Roaming against SoR or SF is like the worst nightmare of any roamers… Everytime I was matched with these server there were absolutely ZERO roamers from both of them.

Any other lower tier server however can give you some fights…

I hope this makes sense, wvw in itself is not dead just stale, but ROAMING in fact is dead. There were times when anytime you went into ANY server you would find roamers to fight with. First mistake anet made was making condi bunkers such low risk high reward builds. Cause back near release when roaming was popular it was popular because it was skilled players running builds that took skill cause they were all straight up dps builds not condi bunkers and tanky might stackers. The meta anet has created has ruined roaming because it has killed the necessity for diversity and skill.

Second mistake they made was wvw ranks. The idea was really cool but the implementation was awful, all they did was encourage people to zerg and karma train for loot. I found it much more entertaining when small group activity was the popular thing to do if you didn’t want to go solo but that still took skill as you were only with 4 other people so you still had to be somewhat self reliant. Now it’s all 50 man blobs spamming one skill to try to get loot.

So wvw, isn’t dead but roaming is and anet killed it.

Just some other thoughts:
When looking at this game things like condi builds shouldn’t even exist. Degen is an interesting playstyle but you shouldn’t be able to amp up the damage it does. GW1’s system of condis was better and if there are any changes ever to be made to condis they need to be made more like the ones in gw1, set amount of degen and no buffing it. In, addition they need to set rewards and other content to encourage small group roaming if they ever want to return wvw to it’s former glory. Start making changes and nerfs to mechanics and builds that cause toxic and stale gameplay and add things that encourage people to not blob and discourage heavily cowardice and hiding behind siege inside a keep and that nonsense.

Just my 2 cents on what wvw should be. feel free to discuss.

Errr if roaming is dead, all that is left is mass hordes of zombie players, yeah wvw very much dead.