Guild Wars 2

So i am on SFR and i have been waiting for 5 weeks to be on the red side to get my final vista for map completion. Can a developer please check if your random generator is stuck on seed 1 because this is getting ridiculous.

Plus the WvW completion is something you really should remove from the game because ont1 servers there is no way you’ll flip an eternal garrison or a keep so close to home base.

This is covered in many other threads and you are being unreasonable.

You don’t need map completion, you want map completion. The third place server is usually the red one, so you’re out of luck there. Find like-minded people on your server, and have an event where you take Overlook.

If you’re going to take WvW completion away from map completion, then you should take all of the PvE hearts, POIs and vistas out as well, so WvWers don’t have to do them.

Otherwise, put some effort into it, instead of “waiting” for others to hand you what you want.

Might not flip in primetime, but it will flip at some point. Waypointed keeps are usually prime targets for hungry blobs.

It’s unfortunate that your legendary requires some legendary acts to construct. Or just getting it handed to you with a 1/3 chance every Friday.

Vael Victus.2654:

It’s unfortunate that your legendary requires some legendary acts to construct. Or just getting it handed to you with a 1/3 chance every Friday.

I thought PvErs just bought their legendaries outright, using a small portion of the gold that gets showered on them whatever they do.

Doesn’t random mean… random? The match-ups seem pretty darn random to me. We might mean something else by that tho

Let me tell you a story.
A couple weeks ago, a guild-mate of ours needed the inner vista of garrison on red’s map. However, that particular garrison had a ton of siege and scouts around the clock, as well as a zerg to defend it. We haven’t been red for months, and we weren’t red in the following weeks either. So what did we do? We as a guild (not even 10 players), went around and built some omega golems. We asked another tag (they had just took NW tower), to treb garrison so the focus would be on that wall. During the duration, we had a group of about 10-20 players escort our handful of golems to Watergate garrison.

We didn’t take garrison, we didn’t need to. Our party was made up of thieves so that we could stealth our guild-mate up to the third floor to get the vista. This took a couple hours to accomplish, and you need to learn to be patient and willing. Learn some tactics, and the random generator shouldn’t even matter.

mist.9807:

Let me tell you a story.
A couple weeks ago, a guild-mate of ours needed the inner vista of garrison on red’s map. However, that particular garrison had a ton of siege and scouts around the clock, as well as a zerg to defend it. We haven’t been red for months, and we weren’t red in the following weeks either. So what did we do? We as a guild (not even 10 players), went around and built some omega golems. We asked another tag (they had just took NW tower), to treb garrison so the focus would be on that wall. During the duration, we had a group of about 10-20 players escort our handful of golems to Watergate garrison.

We didn’t take garrison, we didn’t need to. Our party was made up of thieves so that we could stealth our guild-mate up to the third floor to get the vista. This took a couple hours to accomplish, and you need to learn to be patient and willing. Learn some tactics, and the random generator shouldn’t even matter.

Out of curiousity, why wouldn’t you take garrison since you were there anyway?

Rimmy.9217:

mist.9807:

Let me tell you a story.
A couple weeks ago, a guild-mate of ours needed the inner vista of garrison on red’s map. However, that particular garrison had a ton of siege and scouts around the clock, as well as a zerg to defend it. We haven’t been red for months, and we weren’t red in the following weeks either. So what did we do? We as a guild (not even 10 players), went around and built some omega golems. We asked another tag (they had just took NW tower), to treb garrison so the focus would be on that wall. During the duration, we had a group of about 10-20 players escort our handful of golems to Watergate garrison.

We didn’t take garrison, we didn’t need to. Our party was made up of thieves so that we could stealth our guild-mate up to the third floor to get the vista. This took a couple hours to accomplish, and you need to learn to be patient and willing. Learn some tactics, and the random generator shouldn’t even matter.

Out of curiousity, why wouldn’t you take garrison since you were there anyway?

The zerg they had defending their map had crushed us with their numbers, so no go there lol.

Vael Victus.2654:

It’s unfortunate that your legendary requires some legendary acts to construct. Or just getting it handed to you with a 1/3 chance every Friday.

Its totally not a legendary act for someone on a WvW server who completely dominates the other 2 servers on their respective tier week after week because of the broken nature of WvW. My advice: transfer to a server that is clearly annihilating the opposition, get your POIs and Vistas of interest, and either stay there or transfer back to your server of choice. Apart from the ~$20 you’d spend getting there (and other ~$20 to get back should you want to), you’d still be coming out ahead of what I hear other people are spending out of pocket for legendary weapons.

Vael Victus.2654:

It’s unfortunate that your legendary requires some legendary acts to construct. Or just getting it handed to you with a 1/3 chance every Friday.

Whats legendary about random map colours?

join Terra’s karma train, what’s the problem?

ON sfr having problems with map completetion?…so bad..

troll post. SFR was red last week.

-ken

Kirantor.6153:

Plus the WvW completion is something you really should remove from the game because ont1 servers there is no way you’ll flip an eternal garrison or a keep so close to home base.

EU doesnt flip keeps…what? Also if wvw mapping is removed, I want pve mapping and dungeons removed from legendary crafting.

Every single objective in your matchup has been flipped, with the exception of your own EB keep. Just because you weren’t there when it happened doesn’t mean there’s some inherent flaw to the matchup system. Also, you’re on SFR complaining about map completion? What a joke.

Thythren.6045:

Every single objective in your matchup has been flipped, with the exception of your own EB keep. Just because you weren’t there when it happened doesn’t mean there’s some inherent flaw to the matchup system. Also, you’re on SFR complaining about map completion? What a joke.

A lot of GW2 players such as myself are well compensated professionals with day jobs. We’re not going to take a vacation day or sick time to get a POI or Vista. The content of the game should be accessible to any player at any time of the day. I’m not saying that it should be effortless, but the situation on some servers makes it utterly inaccessible.

Alteros.3019:

A lot of GW2 players such as myself are well compensated professionals with day jobs. We’re not going to take a vacation day or sick time to get a POI or Vista. The content of the game should be accessible to any player at any time of the day. I’m not saying that it should be effortless, but the situation on some servers makes it utterly inaccessible.

Somehow being employed means that anybody with a job should have immediate at-will access to their opponent’s back row in a chess game. Good to know.

Rimmy.9217:

Alteros.3019:

A lot of GW2 players such as myself are well compensated professionals with day jobs. We’re not going to take a vacation day or sick time to get a POI or Vista. The content of the game should be accessible to any player at any time of the day. I’m not saying that it should be effortless, but the situation on some servers makes it utterly inaccessible.

Somehow being employed means that anybody with a job should have immediate at-will access to their opponent’s back row in a chess game. Good to know.

You should have the realistic and achievable opportunity to enter their back row; the same opportunity that my opponents have any time of day. What most of us have to try to get through on the lower tiers are 3 rows of pawns and a couple of queens…no matter what time of day.

Alteros.3019:

Rimmy.9217:

Alteros.3019:

A lot of GW2 players such as myself are well compensated professionals with day jobs. We’re not going to take a vacation day or sick time to get a POI or Vista. The content of the game should be accessible to any player at any time of the day. I’m not saying that it should be effortless, but the situation on some servers makes it utterly inaccessible.

Somehow being employed means that anybody with a job should have immediate at-will access to their opponent’s back row in a chess game. Good to know.

You should have the realistic and achievable opportunity to enter their back row; the same opportunity that my opponents have any time of day. What most of us have to try to get through on the lower tiers are 3 rows of pawns and a couple of queens…no matter what time of day.

Don’t give me that – my own server imploded and dropped down to the bottom rank of the bottom tier. We’ve climbed back up into silver in the past month (took a year), so I remember perfectly what it’s like to “get to the back row”.

But if you’re going to look at it like PvE, of course you’re going to be disappointed. Anybody can solo a tower or a keep when nobody responds to the swords, but otherwise you’re going to have to work with people to do it. No, you definitely shouldn’t have this game cater to the “I’ve got half an hour and need ____ colour garrison for map completion – that should be plenty of time” mindset. That would be a poor game to play, especially as map completion isn’t a big deal other than to make legendaries and have a star next to your name (and yes, I’ve done both).

The OP claimed to be checking because they really needed map completion, but somehow missed an entire week of when his server was the colour he needed. Shrug.

Rimmy.9217:

Alteros.3019:

Rimmy.9217:

Alteros.3019:

A lot of GW2 players such as myself are well compensated professionals with day jobs. We’re not going to take a vacation day or sick time to get a POI or Vista. The content of the game should be accessible to any player at any time of the day. I’m not saying that it should be effortless, but the situation on some servers makes it utterly inaccessible.

Somehow being employed means that anybody with a job should have immediate at-will access to their opponent’s back row in a chess game. Good to know.

You should have the realistic and achievable opportunity to enter their back row; the same opportunity that my opponents have any time of day. What most of us have to try to get through on the lower tiers are 3 rows of pawns and a couple of queens…no matter what time of day.

Don’t give me that – my own server imploded and dropped down to the bottom rank of the bottom tier. We’ve climbed back up into silver in the past month (took a year), so I remember perfectly what it’s like to “get to the back row”.

But if you’re going to look at it like PvE, of course you’re going to be disappointed. Anybody can solo a tower or a keep when nobody responds to the swords, but otherwise you’re going to have to work with people to do it. No, you definitely shouldn’t have this game cater to the “I’ve got half an hour and need ____ colour garrison for map completion – that should be plenty of time” mindset. That would be a poor game to play, especially as map completion isn’t a big deal other than to make legendaries and have a star next to your name (and yes, I’ve done both).

The OP claimed to be checking because they really needed map completion, but somehow missed an entire week of when his server was the colour he needed. Shrug.

If you’re proud about it taking a year for you to be able to reasonably do map completion in the borderlands while some guy on another server can run all his/her characters through in a single evening, boy do I have some real estate deals for you. For the record too, I also have borderlands map completion, but I don’t always think about myself. If I wanted to do it again, I have about a 15 min window immediately after reset night before I completely lose the ability to see the interior of all my towers and keeps for the remainder of the week. No joke.

As an aside, (wake up Anet, you’re going to want to read this), I would pay gems and/or gold just to get out of having to do borderlands map completion. As I see it, people are already doing it by switching to better servers. And you’ve already set precedent in PvE with either completing certain events or paying to unlock traits and having to pay for living world content you missed.

Alteros.3019:

As an aside, (wake up Anet, you’re going to want to read this), I would pay gems and/or gold just to get out of having to do borderlands map completion.

The only reason why people would do map completion is (as far as I can tell) getting their gift of exploration, so they can get their legendary?
Well, since you aren’t too shabby on spending gems, why not buy tons of gold and buy your legendary from the trading post?

Tribio.8531:

Alteros.3019:

As an aside, (wake up Anet, you’re going to want to read this), I would pay gems and/or gold just to get out of having to do borderlands map completion.

The only reason why people would do map completion is (as far as I can tell) getting their gift of exploration, so they can get their legendary?
Well, since you aren’t too shabby on spending gems, why not buy tons of gold and buy your legendary from the trading post?

For comparative purposes, if you want to flat out buy gems and convert them to gold and buy a legendary, you’re looking at hundreds of dollars. Rogdort would be about $243 (one of the cheaper ones) and eternity is about $533. If you can make the case on why someone should out of pocket pay for a legendary (when all they need is map completion) but can’t do it on their home server within 6 months when some other guy on a different server can borderland map complete all his characters in an afternoon, then I’m all ears. Whether or not I can afford to buy them flat out aside, I am only going to pay as much as the next guy did in switching servers to get his map completion. Otherwise, I would be the dumb one for paying much much more for something that someone else only paid, at most $30, for.

I’m also a well compensated professional with a day job. I have not found it particularly difficult to get WvW map completion, in fact I have to make a special effort to not get it on my alts. at this point I can’t remember why I don’t want it, but I think it was related to some question about the reward being better if you wait until level 80 to do it.

anyway, the easiest way to get this done is log on at the beginning of a new matchup, right when it starts. check to see what color your server got this week, and if it’s a color you need run around quick and get as many objectives as you can before they can be captured.

knowing which objectives are easy to get (and can be done later) and which ones are hard, and knowing which objectives tend to be taken early in a matchup and which ones flip later can help, but requires you to play enough WvW to learn how things ebb and flow. this is by design — getting a Legendary requires you to actively play several different game modes, and logging on and just running around a map does not count as “playing” the WvW game mode.

-ken

Snowreap.5174:

I’m also a well compensated professional with a day job. I have not found it particularly difficult to get WvW map completion, in fact I have to make a special effort to not get it on my alts. at this point I can’t remember why I don’t want it, but I think it was related to some question about the reward being better if you wait until level 80 to do it.

anyway, the easiest way to get this done is log on at the beginning of a new matchup, right when it starts. check to see what color your server got this week, and if it’s a color you need run around quick and get as many objectives as you can before they can be captured.

knowing which objectives are easy to get (and can be done later) and which ones are hard, and knowing which objectives tend to be taken early in a matchup and which ones flip later can help, but requires you to play enough WvW to learn how things ebb and flow. this is by design — getting a Legendary requires you to actively play several different game modes, and logging on and just running around a map does not count as “playing” the WvW game mode.

-ken

I do agree that your method is the easiest way to get them. I have about a 30 min window at most just after reset before a tsunami of death rolls over my borderlands and locks down all my keeps and castles effectively for the remainder of the week. I don’t in any way object to legendary weapons taking a lot of effort to make; they should as it’ll be the last weapon of it’s respective type you’ll ever need. I do however emphatically object to the incredibly disparate nature of how players on some servers can achieve borderlands completion in an afternoon and others have to wait at least weeks for the stars to align just right before they get theirs…assuming that they don’t bounce ship. In a perfect world where WvW was a completely balanced experience and all players have an equivalent play experience, you’d have no argument from me. And if the OP’s original argument was “legendary weapons cost too many resources to make” or “stuff is overpriced on the TP”, I would be quite unsympathetic as everyone is paying those prices. I guess I am all about equality as life is full of inequalities; why should inequality extend into a game we play for fun.

Alteros.3019:

Rimmy.9217:

Alteros.3019:

Rimmy.9217:

Alteros.3019:

A lot of GW2 players such as myself are well compensated professionals with day jobs. We’re not going to take a vacation day or sick time to get a POI or Vista. The content of the game should be accessible to any player at any time of the day. I’m not saying that it should be effortless, but the situation on some servers makes it utterly inaccessible.

Somehow being employed means that anybody with a job should have immediate at-will access to their opponent’s back row in a chess game. Good to know.

You should have the realistic and achievable opportunity to enter their back row; the same opportunity that my opponents have any time of day. What most of us have to try to get through on the lower tiers are 3 rows of pawns and a couple of queens…no matter what time of day.

Don’t give me that – my own server imploded and dropped down to the bottom rank of the bottom tier. We’ve climbed back up into silver in the past month (took a year), so I remember perfectly what it’s like to “get to the back row”.

But if you’re going to look at it like PvE, of course you’re going to be disappointed. Anybody can solo a tower or a keep when nobody responds to the swords, but otherwise you’re going to have to work with people to do it. No, you definitely shouldn’t have this game cater to the “I’ve got half an hour and need ____ colour garrison for map completion – that should be plenty of time” mindset. That would be a poor game to play, especially as map completion isn’t a big deal other than to make legendaries and have a star next to your name (and yes, I’ve done both).

The OP claimed to be checking because they really needed map completion, but somehow missed an entire week of when his server was the colour he needed. Shrug.

If you’re proud about it taking a year for you to be able to reasonably do map completion in the borderlands while some guy on another server can run all his/her characters through in a single evening, boy do I have some real estate deals for you. For the record too, I also have borderlands map completion, but I don’t always think about myself. If I wanted to do it again, I have about a 15 min window immediately after reset night before I completely lose the ability to see the interior of all my towers and keeps for the remainder of the week. No joke.

Not proud, just saying I’ve been on the losing WvW server too. It didn’t take a year to get map completion, because (unless you’re in the higher tiers (NA) which don’t move around much, your server goes up and down in the rankings and your colour changes – meaning you’ve got the opportunity to get your WvW map completion without having to tick at +695.

If you’re not a WvWer, and I assume you’re not much of one (time-wise) based on your replies thus far, I can understand why it might be frustrating. But like I said a few posts back, you can’t approach WvW maps the way you’d approach a PvE map. And complaining that (generic) you can’t get things because other people haven’t/can’t/won’t get them for you is… kind of lame.

Like has been said before, on countless threads of PvErs upset about map completion in WvW – get some people together, pick a target, and go get it. One poi a night may seem agonizingly slow, but it gets things done and helps your server and other people coming in WvW seeing something flip to your colour may get inspired and either help you or flip additional things.

If your position remains that you want to waltz in and go wherever you want whenever you want, then you’re going to be disappointed. But that’s not a game concern or design flaw.

The whole point of my comparison was to illustrate that it’s possible to flip everything regardless of your matchup. Yeah, it sucks that some matchups are steamrolls and the PvE scrub on the winning server can complete his map completion in a day, while the other two servers fight tooth and nail for theirs. But those matchups do not last forever, and just because you can’t get something this matchup doesn’t mean you won’t be able to get it the next.

I don’t expect you to take a sick day to get a vista, nor do I expect you to stay up until 4 AM, but WvW is not fair or balanced. Just get creative. Get some friends to stealth you, then all you need to do is open whatever structure you need. You don’t have to actually cap anything. Like Rimmy said, if you come into WvW and expect to have anything handed to you, you’d better think again. I kill map completionists all the time without remorse. You want that vista? Take it by force.

Thythren.6045:

I don’t expect you to take a sick day to get a vista, nor do I expect you to stay up until 4 AM

You know, honestly, for a vista in general, yeah. But for the last thing you need to get a legendary?

Ok, maybe this is a little off the WvW part of this, but it’s relevant.

Legendaries aren’t meant to be a casual thing. They’re intended to be a frustrating, long grind. The frustrating, long grind. Legendaries are the little bit of other MMO’s that lingers in GW2, and that’s ok. You don’t need one. Nobody needs one. They’re just to show that yes, you were crazy enough to spend all that time/effort/frustration finally getting them. What the OP is experiencing is an intentional part of that- everyone will by misfortune or inclination experience something awful trying to get a legendary.

I got all that out of my system in other MMO’s, and I have no particular desire for a legendary. If I ever get a precursor by luck, I’ll sell it. But I’ve got no problem with them existing or with them being a long, painful process, because it’s cool to see the lunatics who did it with them.

All that having been said though… Yeah, kinda sucks to mix PvE and PvP stuff. This is an artifact of that.

Thythren.6045:

The whole point of my comparison was to illustrate that it’s possible to flip everything regardless of your matchup. Yeah, it sucks that some matchups are steamrolls and the PvE scrub on the winning server can complete his map completion in a day, while the other two servers fight tooth and nail for theirs. But those matchups do not last forever, and just because you can’t get something this matchup doesn’t mean you won’t be able to get it the next.

I don’t expect you to take a sick day to get a vista, nor do I expect you to stay up until 4 AM, but WvW is not fair or balanced. Just get creative. Get some friends to stealth you, then all you need to do is open whatever structure you need. You don’t have to actually cap anything. Like Rimmy said, if you come into WvW and expect to have anything handed to you, you’d better think again. I kill map completionists all the time without remorse. You want that vista? Take it by force.

I guess we’re going to have to just agree to disagree. If you and above company honestly believe that you can snake a 24/7 babysat tier 3 keep sieged to the hilt with a way-point that gets all-called the instant anyone is even in sight, I extend an open invitation to transfer to my player barren server so you can show us how to McGuyver-style disarm the equivalent of a nuke with a tooth-pick and some stale bubblegum. And you can try to do this for a whole month, just as we’ve been in WvW this past month.

A game is supposed to be fun and challenging, not frustrating and impossible. It takes on average 6 months for people on our server to achieve map completion once they decide to do it solely because of WvW’s broken nature. So yes, you can finish it on my server…at a speed of less than 1% that of a much more successful server. And while that’s the way it is because WvW isn’t fair either by design or ineptitude, that doesn’t make it right.

Whatever Anet does with WvW with respect to map completion, it needs to be fixed. As I said, the experiences are so disparate between players on different servers even though they play the same game. I understand there will always be players who feel that “its not a right to have a legendary” or “you don’t need one, you merely want one”. But guess what, they paid the same amount of money you did for the game and they can’t access that content in the same way you can solely because they’re on a “wasteland” server. And I (as probably a lot of other people) have a big problem with that.

^^ I wonder if you’ve asked whoever the opponent is that holds that poi you need if they’d mind if you got it?

Especially if you’re on your own / small group and they have defenders there.

I mean, if you don’t want to try to take it by force.

Alteros.3019:

A lot of GW2 players such as myself are well compensated professionals with day jobs. We’re not going to take a vacation day or sick time to get a POI or Vista. The content of the game should be accessible to any player at any time of the day. I’m not saying that it should be effortless, but the situation on some servers makes it utterly inaccessible.

If Anet makes a change like this just so PvE players can get a specific weapon skin easier, then they’re going to need to fix a lot of PvE events as well. For instance, I’d really like to have some of the Tequatl ascended weapon skins, but Tequatl doesn’t get defeated that often, and is usually only defeated during certain times of the day, by organized guilds who completely fill up their map well BEFORE the event becomes available to start. And a single player, of course has NO CHANCE of defeating Tequatl. Even a small, organized group can’t do it, anymore than you and a few friends can take a defended Keep or Stonemist Castle; in fact, far more people have soloed Keeps than Tequatl, as I’ve NEVER seen a video of someone soloing Tequatl, or even any claim of it having been attempted. So my job basically makes it too difficult for me to finish Tequatl at all, let alone enough times to have a decent chance at finally getting one of those rare weapon drops. And those aren’t even Legendary, they’re just Ascended! So maybe Anet could give me the same chance of getting a Tequatl weapon skin every time I kill a Keep Lord as I would if I were defeating Tequatl, since my schedule doesn’t seem to prevent me from killing Keep Lords several times a week. This is just one of many PvE events that I don’t have time for, as a well-compensated professional. But I should still have access to the same weapon skins as everyone else, even if I never complete the events!!! Hurry up Anet and fix this game to better fit my schedule!!!

Otokomae.9356:

If Anet makes a change like this just so PvE players can get a specific weapon skin easier, then they’re going to need to fix a lot of PvE events as well. For instance, I’d really like to have some of the Tequatl ascended weapon skins, but Tequatl doesn’t get defeated that often, and is usually only defeated during certain times of the day, by organized guilds who completely fill up their map well BEFORE the event becomes available to start. And a single player, of course has NO CHANCE of defeating Tequatl. Even a small, organized group can’t do it, anymore than you and a few friends can take a defended Keep or Stonemist Castle; in fact, far more people have soloed Keeps than Tequatl, as I’ve NEVER seen a video of someone soloing Tequatl, or even any claim of it having been attempted. So my job basically makes it too difficult for me to finish Tequatl at all, let alone enough times to have a decent chance at finally getting one of those rare weapon drops. And those aren’t even Legendary, they’re just Ascended! So maybe Anet could give me the same chance of getting a Tequatl weapon skin every time I kill a Keep Lord as I would if I were defeating Tequatl, since my schedule doesn’t seem to prevent me from killing Keep Lords several times a week. This is just one of many PvE events that I don’t have time for, as a well-compensated professional. But I should still have access to the same weapon skins as everyone else, even if I never complete the events!!! Hurry up Anet and fix this game to better fit my schedule!!!

Not sure if you’re serious or just being silly. None the less, that’s funny coming from someone in a server that has no issues with WvW coverage. Everyone of us experiences all the world bosses and PvE content the same way and we all have the same chance at their loot. This wasn’t always the case as prior to the mega servers going live, you could have probably been only one of 5 people on a given map in my server. If I wanted to do any of the living story events, I remember having to guest on your server to enjoy it the same way you were probably enjoying it. While mega servers only masked the problem that there are servers with almost no PvE players, it did make it possible for them to enjoy the PvE content better without having to guest. I see no comparison to WvW.

Alteros.3019:

Thythren.6045:

The whole point of my comparison was to illustrate that it’s possible to flip everything regardless of your matchup. Yeah, it sucks that some matchups are steamrolls and the PvE scrub on the winning server can complete his map completion in a day, while the other two servers fight tooth and nail for theirs. But those matchups do not last forever, and just because you can’t get something this matchup doesn’t mean you won’t be able to get it the next.

I don’t expect you to take a sick day to get a vista, nor do I expect you to stay up until 4 AM, but WvW is not fair or balanced. Just get creative. Get some friends to stealth you, then all you need to do is open whatever structure you need. You don’t have to actually cap anything. Like Rimmy said, if you come into WvW and expect to have anything handed to you, you’d better think again. I kill map completionists all the time without remorse. You want that vista? Take it by force.

I guess we’re going to have to just agree to disagree. If you and above company honestly believe that you can snake a 24/7 babysat tier 3 keep sieged to the hilt with a way-point that gets all-called the instant anyone is even in sight, I extend an open invitation to transfer to my player barren server so you can show us how to McGuyver-style disarm the equivalent of a nuke with a tooth-pick and some stale bubblegum. And you can try to do this for a whole month, just as we’ve been in WvW this past month.

A game is supposed to be fun and challenging, not frustrating and impossible. It takes on average 6 months for people on our server to achieve map completion once they decide to do it solely because of WvW’s broken nature. So yes, you can finish it on my server…at a speed of less than 1% that of a much more successful server. And while that’s the way it is because WvW isn’t fair either by design or ineptitude, that doesn’t make it right.

Whatever Anet does with WvW with respect to map completion, it needs to be fixed. As I said, the experiences are so disparate between players on different servers even though they play the same game. I understand there will always be players who feel that “its not a right to have a legendary” or “you don’t need one, you merely want one”. But guess what, they paid the same amount of money you did for the game and they can’t access that content in the same way you can solely because they’re on a “wasteland” server. And I (as probably a lot of other people) have a big problem with that.

Well it took me over a month to get all BL mapping done for completion. There was just no way that my position 25 server would open up some others BL garri or even hills or bay. But when the colours shifted I got my completion. IN the end it just takes some time.

SFR is the only server perma locked (95% of time) to green. Any other server changes to the 3 colours often enough to get their share of map completion.

The problem is everyone that wants easy eotm, Ktrains, easy wvw tournement victories, easy achievements (tournement, eotm), etc, goes to SFR. This creates an overstacked server, with 99% garanteed win, massive glicko scoring advantage, and thus the probability to become green is way higher.

No offence meant, but tell your server to recruit less people, and it might get solved on it’s own.

also If you are sfr, you should one day when you can, log in wvw 4 am – 6 am. Being one of their opposing server frequently, I can tell you then they cap a hell of a lot objective, meaning map completion is a peace of cake. Even in EB. Sure not the best hour, but hey its something.

Otokomae.9356:

If Anet makes a change like this just so PvE players can get a specific weapon skin easier, then they’re going to need to fix a lot of PvE events as well. For instance, I’d really like to have some of the Tequatl ascended weapon skins, but Tequatl doesn’t get defeated that often, and is usually only defeated during certain times of the day, by organized guilds who completely fill up their map well BEFORE the event becomes available to start. And a single player, of course has NO CHANCE of defeating Tequatl. Even a small, organized group can’t do it, anymore than you and a few friends can take a defended Keep or Stonemist Castle; in fact, far more people have soloed Keeps than Tequatl, as I’ve NEVER seen a video of someone soloing Tequatl, or even any claim of it having been attempted. So my job basically makes it too difficult for me to finish Tequatl at all, let alone enough times to have a decent chance at finally getting one of those rare weapon drops. And those aren’t even Legendary, they’re just Ascended! So maybe Anet could give me the same chance of getting a Tequatl weapon skin every time I kill a Keep Lord as I would if I were defeating Tequatl, since my schedule doesn’t seem to prevent me from killing Keep Lords several times a week. This is just one of many PvE events that I don’t have time for, as a well-compensated professional. But I should still have access to the same weapon skins as everyone else, even if I never complete the events!!! Hurry up Anet and fix this game to better fit my schedule!!!

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This turned out in a nice discussion. Lets address a few points:

1. I spent a LOOONG time grinding everything i need for my legendary. I wanted the feat to mean something. The problem with the WvW map completion system is that is flawed. If you are on one of the lower servers sure, you’ll probably get it easier, but as i said anyone who says that thay have flipped a Garrison on the t1 group more than 2-3 times a week (exceptions when one of the sides is a newcomer that somehow ended up with the wrong groups) is delusional. At least for prime time. At 4-5 AM probably, but i work 40 hour week and i can play 3-4 hours in the evening and thats it.

2. The person saying SFR was red last week, you sir are not only a lier but also quite stupid as this is something that can be looked up online.

3. I would be all for WvW map completion if the vistas and POI were accessible from the outside. Like this you have to spend months waiting and praying that its either flipped when you happen to be online or by some miracle of god you are red that week. There is no achievment here, there is no effort, there is no skill… its just pure waiting.

4. Guilds have been kind enough to try to flip the garrisons when people need them, thanks to sIN in general on SFR for attempting this, but usually its a feet that takes a lot of luck.. And my guild is not that WvW active so its not like we could do it. Or should i abandon my friends, go to a WvW guild just to craft an item in game?

So yes the frustration is real But i am just annoyed by the stupid system in place. Legendaries are supposed to be individual effort, everything regarding a legendary is obtainable solo. They are not supposed to be a 1 in a million chance to just go and touch a stupid vista…

I did look it up online (http://mos.millenium.org/servers/history/9) but it appears I misinterpreted the color display. the red icon last week apparently doesn’t mean you were red. who knew?

but thank you for your frank assessment of my character. it’s so nice to know that you care enough to say more than “you’re wrong”, and it tells me a great deal about your own character.

-ken

Kirantor.6153:

This turned out in a nice discussion. Lets address a few points:

1. I spent a LOOONG time grinding everything i need for my legendary. I wanted the feat to mean something. The problem with the WvW map completion system is that is flawed. If you are on one of the lower servers sure, you’ll probably get it easier, but as i said anyone who says that thay have flipped a Garrison on the t1 group more than 2-3 times a week (exceptions when one of the sides is a newcomer that somehow ended up with the wrong groups) is delusional.

A week? I’m in Tier 1, and I just watched the same Garrison flip 4 times in 1 NIGHT!

I kinda wish they just randomized the colours every week. It could solve a lot of these map completion issues, but honestly, I don’t see why its a part of 100% anyway. The new zones aren’t included and much to my chagrin after discovering everything in Dry top just to learn I don’t get a bouncing chest out of it. It was a bit harder than most of the other maps. I only have a few points left in Silverwastes to find too, but since I get nothing out of it, I’ll leave them for when I’m super bored.

But I’m not sure how bad they are to get. I have been playing a month or so now, and I just completed EBG without trying. The only thing I was missing was one green tower, and that’s with being incredibly outnumbered for most of those weeks. I guess the borderlands will be harder too finish, but I’m in no hurry. At least the match ups are looking slightly better this week. Tier 3 looks brutal and tier 5 look unhappy.

Coyote.7031:

At least the match ups are looking slightly better this week. Tier 3 looks brutal and tier 5 look unhappy.

Nah. Mag has got lots of transfers over the past month, and are outpopulating us and CD. A pity CD can’t get it together enough so that the both of us can focus Mag and give everybody a fun week, but meh.

Rimmy.9217:

Nah. Mag has got lots of transfers over the past month, and are outpopulating us and CD. A pity CD can’t get it together enough so that the both of us can focus Mag and give everybody a fun week, but meh.

Easier target = path of least resistance thus… you know fight you. People are lazy :\

My server so far has been good and is mostly focusing the leading server, but I think it’s because they aren’t that far ahead and we are more equally matched. Time for this little Squire (lawl, squire rank!) to tag along and have an easier time learning to ropes of WvW.

Coyote.7031:

Rimmy.9217:

Nah. Mag has got lots of transfers over the past month, and are outpopulating us and CD. A pity CD can’t get it together enough so that the both of us can focus Mag and give everybody a fun week, but meh.

Easier target = path of least resistance thus… you know fight you. People are lazy :\

My server so far has been good and is mostly focusing the leading server, but I think it’s because they aren’t that far ahead and we are more equally matched. Time for this little Squire (lawl, squire rank!) to tag along and have an easier time learning to ropes of WvW.

No, I get it. But it’s boring to be way out in front, and it’s boring to be constantly crushed, so it’s good when something is done about it.

Still, it’s only Saturday.

Rimmy.9217:

No, I get it. But it’s boring to be way out in front, and it’s boring to be constantly crushed, so it’s good when something is done about it.

Still, it’s only Saturday.

Not only boring but discouraging too. :\ Not sure what can be done, but fairer matches are needed. Hopefully the expansion breathes some new life into WvW.

There are things that can be done even when in a lopsided match. Problem is people don’t do them for one reason or another.

Coyote.7031:

Rimmy.9217:

No, I get it. But it’s boring to be way out in front, and it’s boring to be constantly crushed, so it’s good when something is done about it.

Still, it’s only Saturday.

Not only boring but discouraging too. :\ Not sure what can be done, but fairer matches are needed. Hopefully the expansion breathes some new life into WvW.

Not discouraging – I like roaming in these matches.

Granted, I roam otherwise.

5 vs 10 and 11 – Great match up ANeT. You may want to check out your handy-work.

Coyote.7031:

I kinda wish they just randomized the colours every week.

They already do this. In Tier 1, for example, Blackgate came in 3rd last week, but we’re Green this week.

Is is mathematical impossible to let all servers change colours on refresh? I have not met anyone yet who loves to be the same colour every week.

aspirine.6852:

Is is mathematical impossible to let all servers change colours on refresh? I have not met anyone yet who loves to be the same colour every week.

Colour only matters for people doing map completion (not important, in other words) and a slight difference in defending in EBG. Otherwise, it’s (mostly) just to tell you who is likely to be first, second and third in a particular matchup.