Guild Wars 2

This should never have been allowed.

No.

Unless they remove stability and blind stomping they should not remove stealth stomping.

No.

I like my mist form and elixir S stomping too ^^

No.

I just wanted to say no.

Isaac.6041:

No.

I like my mist form and elixir S stomping too ^^

But is your Mist Form and Elixir S on a 3 second cool down?

The only gripe I have about it is when your downed skill requires a target. They could at least make an improvement to this.

Why should I have to kill you twice to begin with?

Remove downed state, is a stupid mechanic anyway.

wtb, stealth need a rework, no real counter to the actual broken stealth mechanic, is stupid like the downed (rally machine) state and both are toxic to the game.

urieldhynne.2743:

Remove downed state, is a stupid mechanic anyway.

wtb, stealth need a rework, no real counter to the actual broken stealth mechanic, is stupid like the downed (rally machine) state and both are toxic to the game.

agree completely on both points I think downed state should be removed from wvw and there should be some kind of a counter to stealth such as being able to see people who are stealthed at a very close distance or something like in most other games that have a stealth mechanic

Everyone should have a utility that reveals nearby foes.

Henrik.7560:

Everyone should have a utility that reveals nearby foes.

And everyone should have easy access to stability. That are basic mechanics, core mechanics. Like run/mobility OUT OF COMBAT, break stuns, possibility to leave a combat, etc.

In all others games i played all classes had easy access to CORE/BASIC counter mechanics. The teamwork mechanics like healings, supports/boons, cleansing, mobility IN COMBAT, etc, is another story.

Arenanet removed the trinity in exchange to something worst by far, unbalanced as hell. No clue about what they did.

the problem is that the downed ablitys are not balenced at all eather…
ele gets 3 sec invulnerbility and the chance to move into tower etc.
and ranger gets a 1 sec daze that cant be cast on a stealthed target or one with stablity…

Just remove downed all together it only encourage ressing baddies and upscaled.
When they die they should auto teleported back to spawn so they have to run back.
Just like you would in any other game , “then why dont you play other games?”, i do.

Of all the abilities listed here stealth stomping is by far the superior variant.
As long as downed state is such a faulty game mechanic (you lose target, can’t see conditions on you) it enhances stealth even more.
We need some sort of “reveal” ability for professions beyond “Sick’em” (which was introduced later, btw) and “Unveiling shot” + “Stealth disruptor trap”.

Gorani.7205:

Of all the abilities listed here stealth stomping is by far the superior variant.
As long as downed state is such a faulty game mechanic (you lose target, can’t see conditions on you) it enhances stealth even more.
We need some sort of “reveal” ability for professions beyond “Sick’em” (which was introduced later, btw) and “Unveiling shot” + “Stealth disruptor trap”.

Those abilities are called “L2P” and logical fallacies.

Dont forget shadow step stomping/rezzing

Who the heck wastes a 45 second Shadow Step for Stomping and Ressing, other than to show off?
I don’t get the issue with Stealth Stomping; there are other means to Stomp that are equally as annoying, but even when I try to Stealth Stomp some downed states can interrupt me.

Downed State needs a rework perhaps?

Pro of downed state 1%:
Exiting fight.

Cons of downed state 99%:
Rally bot, impossible to fight 1v2/3 sometimes even if you kill them all, rally bot, uplevels rallying enemies, rally bot, some classes can ress without problem like guardian, warrior, etc, no skill balance from the ground (some classes had huge advantage), rally bot, i said rally bot?

But arenanet love it, because they design it and they are so proud of it. Deal with it, we play what arenanet wants. Like PvE through the throat.

If you die, you should re spawn. Or can be resurrected OUT OF COMBAT

Eliminate downed state altogether.

Agreed with removing the state. In PvE it works but in PvP it’s imbalanced and makes 1vX situations nigh impossible unless there’s a big difference in skill.

Stealth should be removed too. This game has no resources to make a proper stealth mechanic, none of the current devs apparently can solve it.

Spamming invisibility without restriction is the WORST idea ever. EVER. I didn’t see it even in free games.

urieldhynne.2743:

Stealth should be removed too. This game has no resources to make a proper stealth mechanic, none of the current devs apparently can solve it.

Spamming invisibility without restriction is the WORST idea ever. EVER. I didn’t see it even in free games.

Hate to burst your bubble, but you can’t spam stealth ALL the time unless you stay in stealth

Everytime a stealthed player drops out of stealth he receives a “revealed” debuff that prevents said player from entering stealth for the duration, granted it’s only about 5 seconds but effectively dismissing the “spamming invisibility without restriction” bit.

urieldhynne.2743:

Henrik.7560:

Everyone should have a utility that reveals nearby foes.

And everyone should have easy access to stability. That are basic mechanics, core mechanics. Like run/mobility OUT OF COMBAT, break stuns, possibility to leave a combat, etc.

In all others games i played all classes had easy access to CORE/BASIC counter mechanics. The teamwork mechanics like healings, supports/boons, cleansing, mobility IN COMBAT, etc, is another story.

Arenanet removed the trinity in exchange to something worst by far, unbalanced as hell. No clue about what they did.

Yes. Stabillity for everyone is also a great idea. Another thing is the unbalanced base healths, those like warriors who can do incredible damage have heavy armor and huge health, while some like elementallists and guardians don’t do as much, and have half the health.

Veckna.9621:

urieldhynne.2743:

Stealth should be removed too. This game has no resources to make a proper stealth mechanic, none of the current devs apparently can solve it.

Spamming invisibility without restriction is the WORST idea ever. EVER. I didn’t see it even in free games.

Hate to burst your bubble, but you can’t spam stealth ALL the time unless you stay in stealth

Everytime a stealthed player drops out of stealth he receives a “revealed” debuff that prevents said player from entering stealth for the duration, granted it’s only about 5 seconds but effectively dismissing the “spamming invisibility without restriction” bit.

Hate to burst your bubble but you only get the revealed debuff is you attack from stealth. You can easily let it end normally, attack and reenter stealth as much as you want. Revealed won’t show in this case. The only true limit to stealth is initiative.

Bunter.3795:

Veckna.9621:

urieldhynne.2743:

Stealth should be removed too. This game has no resources to make a proper stealth mechanic, none of the current devs apparently can solve it.

Spamming invisibility without restriction is the WORST idea ever. EVER. I didn’t see it even in free games.

Hate to burst your bubble, but you can’t spam stealth ALL the time unless you stay in stealth

Everytime a stealthed player drops out of stealth he receives a “revealed” debuff that prevents said player from entering stealth for the duration, granted it’s only about 5 seconds but effectively dismissing the “spamming invisibility without restriction” bit.

Hate to burst your bubble but you only get the revealed debuff is you attack from stealth. You can easily let it end normally, attack and reenter stealth as much as you want. Revealed won’t show in this case. The only true limit to stealth is initiative.

That’s what he meant by “unless you stay in stealth”

And yes pls, remove stealth stomping, give thieves stability.

To the downed state, I quite like the downed state but not that people can rez in combat or that 1 person can rally the whole zerg. Best imo would be if all classes had just hit & heal downed skills. I’d love this, no more downed eles escaping into towers or warrs running across half the map in vengeance.

Nerf stealth complaints, please. They dominate the gripe meta.

urieldhynne.2743:

Remove downed state, is a stupid mechanic anyway.

wtb, stealth need a rework, no real counter to the actual broken stealth mechanic, is stupid like the downed (rally machine) state and both are toxic to the game.

I don’t mean to suggest that it doesn’t cause problems, but it exists for a pretty good reason- pacing. Two groups enter, one group winds up with a non-zero amount of living players and they’re the winner. Without downed state and rallying, you get a long, irritating lull in group activity while maybe two people go around and start rezzing people. With rally system, the “winning” group is still (theoretically) going to win, but finishes the fight with more people up, so there’s less of an interruption to gameplay.

Again, it’s a system that has issues. But it exists for a reason.

Piogre.2164:

urieldhynne.2743:

Remove downed state, is a stupid mechanic anyway.

wtb, stealth need a rework, no real counter to the actual broken stealth mechanic, is stupid like the downed (rally machine) state and both are toxic to the game.

I don’t mean to suggest that it doesn’t cause problems, but it exists for a pretty good reason- pacing. Two groups enter, one group winds up with a non-zero amount of living players and they’re the winner. Without downed state and rallying, you get a long, irritating lull in group activity while maybe two people go around and start rezzing people. With rally system, the “winning” group is still (theoretically) going to win, but finishes the fight with more people up, so there’s less of an interruption to gameplay.

Again, it’s a system that has issues. But it exists for a reason.

Yes, exists for a reason, that reason is avoid players frustration. There are games with HIGH penalization for death or lose (single players and vs) and there are games without penalization at all. In both extremes is like Hardcore games and Casual games. This is a pretty casual game starting with PvP and PvE in different modes and a game aimed for PvE mainly and a pretty easy one.

Is like you said but with others words, the chance for who died to continue playing that fight. Be part of the fight with a second chance.

The cost of it is revert the merit of the winner, who kill you.

Lets said a 1v2 situation, the 1 maybe handle the situation to kill one of the 2, a merit because is fighting an outnumbered fight, but that guy from the ground is still fighting, hitting and cc you, helping his teammate who is trying to ress him, and that is where that suck.

Downed state penalize the merit of who win. Undoing what you done with effort.

For example do you remember the SEGA arcade game DAYTONA? That game helped with speed boost to who was behind in the race, to make the race more “competitive”, if you was in the lead, the cars behind you had a speed boost to catch you up. THIS IS THE SAME.

Just want to voice my support for the removal of stealth stomp. Any action which practically guarantees in an insta-kill should not be in stealth.

IMO, there is insufficient risk and countermeasures to stealth stomping.

If you stomp using stability, you can still be DPS’ed down in those few vulnerable seconds.

As for eles in Mist Form, I oppose that in principle as well. However, the eles who do that don’t often survive afterwards.

Tibstrike.2974:

No.

Unless they remove stability and blind stomping they should not remove stealth stomping.

Got nothing against against stealth stomp, but being unable to KB(quite often) target making the stomp animation w/o stability or me being blinded, i would appreciate some fix…

also having problems with guardian down skill sometimes do not KB target

so many players in here who need to l2p, I fail to understand how a stealth stomp > stability stomp, invuln stomp, … .
If the player is in stealth casting his stomp, your friends can still CC and interrupt him. If it’s 1v1, then you already lost no matter what, stealth stomp or not.
When an ele stomps you in mist form, there’s nothing that will stop him unless you get rezzed, stealthed(!!!) or port away. Same with stability stomp unless you can boonrip and interrupt him in time.

Easy fix here don’t get downed

Chunky Milk.2130:

Why should I have to kill you twice to begin with?

You don’t kill anyone twice, you down them, then kill them from stealth without needing to reveal yourself leaving the player or his team mates little to no change.

And as a Thief you spend 80% of the combat in stealth, when you do come out, surprise surprise, you deal extra damage.
If you see you can’t kill your target you walk away and then brag you win 95% of fights.

No.

But I have a suggestion: just avoid get downed
With my 30-25-0-0-15 Warrior it works very well!
But I bet you do not play Warriors…. You know… they can’t be killed by Thieves

This is the only mmo in the mmo market where this is allowed.

Even upcoming and future mmo’s Does Not and Will Not incorporate this Tyrannic and Unjust system.

So………

what is Guild Wars 2 Justification for incorporating it?

Burnfall.9573:

what is Guild Wars 2 Justification for incorporating it?

Avoid players frustration? Lower the penalization for lose with a second chance? Keep you in the fight as long as you can?

Be part of the situation. No matter what. If you get out of that fight because you die is boring.

Arenanet wants this game fun. At what cost? Well… all we knows the cost of rally bot mechanic and penalization for who win or kill someone.

The problems of casual games… is funny the firsts times, is frustrating when you learn how to play it.

Burnfall.9573:

This is the only mmo in the mmo market where this is allowed.

Even upcoming and future mmo’s Does Not and Will Not incorporate this Tyrannic and Unjust system.

So………

what is Guild Wars 2 Justification for incorporating it?

There are still MMOs that have a severe death penalty which includes dropping all gear on death, having to run back to corpse to retrieve gear and many other systems. GW2 has one of the most gentle death penalties of any MMO I have every played actually. Some MMOs also come with a one-shot kill mechanism on some classes… barring a crap build or uplevel this doesn’t happen in GW2 either.

Tspatula.9086:

This should never have been allowed.

I want to know why this is allowed at all.

It makes no sense that I never see some thieves and then am not able to use any “downed” skills at all to even have a 10% chance of getting up again.

No F2 Ranger pet works, so a pet can’t smell or sense a thief….

Right….. Just… Right….

Straegen.2938:

Burnfall.9573:

This is the only mmo in the mmo market where this is allowed.

Even upcoming and future mmo’s Does Not and Will Not incorporate this Tyrannic and Unjust system.

So………

what is Guild Wars 2 Justification for incorporating it?

There are still MMOs that have a severe death penalty which includes dropping all gear on death, having to run back to corpse to retrieve gear and many other systems. GW2 has one of the most gentle death penalties of any MMO I have every played actually. Some MMOs also come with a one-shot kill mechanism on some classes… barring a crap build or uplevel this doesn’t happen in GW2 either.

Penalty? What penalty? I’ve never seen a penalty in WvW…

Repair? HA! Gone, never was a deterrant or penalty.

Time? Yeah maybe that is our penalty and the only one that matters.

Thieves are given something that no other character can do, kill without many being able to stop you – unseen.

Henrik.7560:

Everyone should have a utility that reveals nearby foes.

I’d go for a pet who has a CHANCE to reveal… geeze.

Animals can smell anything and this “out of reality” into the “pets don’t have any senses” is just nuts in a fantasy game and keeps it from being immersable at all.

Some games you can lose yourself in for a while… not this one. Never this one.

Arthedain.5928:

the problem is that the downed ablitys are not balenced at all eather…
ele gets 3 sec invulnerbility and the chance to move into tower etc.
and ranger gets a 1 sec daze that cant be cast on a stealthed target or one with stablity…

My Ranger skills never works against a decent thief. Never. Never. Never. Never.

atheria.2837:

Tspatula.9086:

This should never have been allowed.

I want to know why this is allowed at all.

It makes no sense that I never see some thieves and then am not able to use any “downed” skills at all to even have a 10% chance of getting up again.

No F2 Ranger pet works, so a pet can’t smell or sense a thief….

Right….. Just… Right….

Congrats dear Ranger.
Guardians, Mesmers, Necromancers and Elementarists can counter a stealth stomp.

atheria.2837:

Thieves are given something that no other character can do, kill without many being able to stop you – unseen.

Let me share you a secret, you need to be at around 120 radius of the target to stomp it.
You “unseen” looks pretty visible to me.

But then again, I must be an ESP. I can see invisible stuff.

Burnfall.9573:

This is the only mmo in the mmo market where this is allowed.

Even upcoming and future mmo’s Does Not and Will Not incorporate this Tyrannic and Unjust system.

So………

what is Guild Wars 2 Justification for incorporating it?

Ahahahahahaha — You Go Burnfall baby !

Burnfall says, “Tyrannic and Unjust system” !!!

I Love it man, it almost sounds as if you were talking about something important; instead of it just being that you’re upset because you don’t play cartoon video games very well .

Keep them coming Burn baby !

For Justice, Balance and Fairness !!! (rofl)

1. Remove and replace all hard CC, stealth, movement, and invulnerable abilities from downstate.
-Players that are downed are relegated to a vulnerable stationary team support role until they get back up or die, relying completely on their team to delay a stomp.

2. Upon attempting to stomp a player, remove all stealth, stability, and invulnerable states.
-Less gayness that trivializes having the downstate altogether. Perhaps increase downstate health loss over time and reduce healing rate to compensate.

SoulSin.5682:

atheria.2837:

Tspatula.9086:

This should never have been allowed.

I want to know why this is allowed at all.

It makes no sense that I never see some thieves and then am not able to use any “downed” skills at all to even have a 10% chance of getting up again.

No F2 Ranger pet works, so a pet can’t smell or sense a thief….

Right….. Just… Right….

Congrats dear Ranger.
Guardians, Mesmers, Necromancers and Elementarists can counter a stealth stomp.

atheria.2837:

Thieves are given something that no other character can do, kill without many being able to stop you – unseen.

Let me share you a secret, you need to be at around 120 radius of the target to stomp it.
You “unseen” looks pretty visible to me.

But then again, I must be an ESP. I can see invisible stuff.

I don’t ever see a thief anywhere near me when downed or being stomped.

The camera view from downed doesn’t allow the same view as normal so even if you twist around you can’t see the thief and then you are dead without a single downed skill that worked or even had a chance to work.

SoulSin.5682:

atheria.2837:

Tspatula.9086:

This should never have been allowed.

I want to know why this is allowed at all.

It makes no sense that I never see some thieves and then am not able to use any “downed” skills at all to even have a 10% chance of getting up again.

No F2 Ranger pet works, so a pet can’t smell or sense a thief….

Right….. Just… Right….

Congrats dear Ranger.
Guardians, Mesmers, Necromancers and Elementarists can counter a stealth stomp.

atheria.2837:

Thieves are given something that no other character can do, kill without many being able to stop you – unseen.

Let me share you a secret, you need to be at around 120 radius of the target to stomp it.
You “unseen” looks pretty visible to me.

But then again, I must be an ESP. I can see invisible stuff.

Your “secret” isn’t valid for Rangers apparently.

Necro is still sad…

atheria.2837:

SoulSin.5682:

atheria.2837:

Tspatula.9086:

This should never have been allowed.

I want to know why this is allowed at all.

It makes no sense that I never see some thieves and then am not able to use any “downed” skills at all to even have a 10% chance of getting up again.

No F2 Ranger pet works, so a pet can’t smell or sense a thief….

Right….. Just… Right….

Congrats dear Ranger.
Guardians, Mesmers, Necromancers and Elementarists can counter a stealth stomp.

atheria.2837:

Thieves are given something that no other character can do, kill without many being able to stop you – unseen.

Let me share you a secret, you need to be at around 120 radius of the target to stomp it.
You “unseen” looks pretty visible to me.

But then again, I must be an ESP. I can see invisible stuff.

I don’t ever see a thief anywhere near me when downed or being stomped.

The camera view from downed doesn’t allow the same view as normal so even if you twist around you can’t see the thief and then you are dead without a single downed skill that worked or even had a chance to work.

If you used rapid fire and protect me to finish a downed thief none of his skills had a chance to work either. Most of the time if someone downs you in a fair fight you are dead no matter what. Unless you’re a ranger in drowned state or if you get lucky on mesmer with irogue. The solution to this is to not get downed in the first place.

Agreed and remove stability all together.

urieldhynne.2743:

impossible to fight 1v2/3 sometimes even if you kill them all, rally bot, uplevels rallying enemies, rally bot, some classes can ress without problem like guardian, warrior, etc, no skill balance from the ground (some classes had huge advantage), rally bot, i said rally bot?

This. Especially bold part, unless they’re just brain-dead. Just take it out, and balance skills to match. It’s a waste of time on both sides of the issue.