im having a horrible time taking any thief down as a warrior… im full crit spec and if i could only keep them visible i would destroy them.. problem is i hit them once and POOF… switch to dual axes .. spin hit them again.. and POOF few seconds later im dead
it might help if bulls charge worked right… as in didnt go straight through them or did as intended and knocked them down
when one thief can take 2 other people and myself out by popping in and out of stealth .. there is problem
Sigh you just don’t win against thieves… Not only they are incredibly annoying to deal with as they spend 90% of the fight invisible, but they got huge mobility and speed which makes them really hard to deal with especially as melee. And even if you win a fight, which at least I can do because it’s the official noob class with a ton of baddies playing, they just run away all the time…
Of course some dumb thieves will say they are squishy, but really they don’t need to be squishy to still deal massive damage and anyway, their squishyness is way countered by all they got.
Personally 90% of a fight in stealth is just a dumb concept. Give us better tab targeting or a view with less zoom so we can at least see them… Or simply fix your dumb kitten Anet.
Oh and stop the censoring already, people are already talking about your bad community management which reminds me I should contact Anet directly to see if this is intended.
80 Norn Necromancer Max : JC, WS, TL, AT.
100% World completion.
Thief played glass cannon will die very quickly. The perk is you kill others very quickly. Glass cannon vs glass cannon, a thief is designed to win really. They are glassier and cannonier than you.
As I said before, how many whiners are level 80, and how many are low levels getting stomped?
Sigh you just don’t win against thieves… Not only they are incredibly annoying to deal with as they spend 90% of the fight invisible, but they got huge mobility and speed which makes them really hard to deal with especially as melee. And even if you win a fight, which at least I can do because it’s the official noob class with a ton of baddies playing, they just run away all the time…
Of course some dumb thieves will say they are squishy, but really they don’t need to be squishy to still deal massive damage and anyway, their squishyness is way countered by all they got.
Personally 90% of a fight in stealth is just a dumb concept. Give us better tab targeting or a view with less zoom so we can at least see them… Or simply fix your dumb kitten Anet.
Oh and stop the censoring already, people are already talking about your bad community management which reminds me I should contact Anet directly to see if this is intended.
Personally I’d say if you’re losing to a baddie thief I’d say you’re a baddie.
But hey, I’m ok with no more stealth if I get the same armor/hp pool as a warrior and some attack that would replace backstab.
earlier.. not one of my 12 guild mates in wvw could kill a thief… except the one thief in the guild.. the rest of us just got steamrolled all the exact same way… attack stealth .. attack stealth.. attack stealth
earlier.. not one of my 12 guild mates in wvw could kill a thief… except the one thief in the guild.. the rest of us just got steamrolled all the exact same way… attack stealth .. attack stealth.. attack stealth
Hint: if you want to troll you should really make it less obvious that you’re trolling :/
No offence, but your guild is just bad then. A warrior can bully a thief so bad that I don’t touch them anymore. If I get knocked down and hit, i’m dead. Same for Guardians, they can take such a beating that I don’t have the initiative to deal with them before somebody notices me.
I tend to avoid Mesmers as well because one misjudge of which one is real, and i’ve blown my initiative and am a sitting duck.
I don’t think you realise how bad the thief is if you mess up. Yes you can stealth and run away but the only stealth that lasts long enough to do that is shadow refuge, and you have to sit for 4 secs in a big circle before leaving. The others I think are 2 second stealths.
The thief is great don’t get me wrong, but they die so easy and people don’t seem to understand this. Where you see a death, often the thief is either on really low life or you just missed all your skills.
as stated earlier.. yeah IF you get knocked down your boned… in my experience bulls charge works like crap and most of the time dosnt knock anyone down. i do think it is unfair to get rid of stealth all together but holy crap! popping into stealth over and over is a bit much
Obviously i won as i confused the fuzzle out of him by placing all my glamours down even though i couldnt see him, but this is to show data.
Some classes are lucky to get off 3k on their big cooldown hits, yet a thief’s Heartseeker can pull 3k from +75% HP? On a spammable ability which auto locks and leaps? While invisible?
Fix this class or delete it. Remove Heartseekers autolock leap, Remove stealth or quadruple the cooldown on it and rework backstab etc, your game cant handle abilities like stealth, so dont go down the Bioware path of “but its my idea and im going to make it work” when all you do is harm the game further.
Yesterday a warrior got a jump on me, knocked me down and used hundred blades before I could evade. I was dead long before hundred blades even finished. Point?
The thief is kitten lucky people don’t simply evade when they stealth. Backstab would then be rendered useless, aka, our heaviest hitting ability.
Warriors even have a freakin invincibility elite. How a warrior can complain is beyond me. I don’t even moan about them but come on, invincibility on a class able to deal massive damage also?
Yep there is a problem.Which is all talentless whiney babygirls crying here about something they can’t manage to deal.Like old times in WoW forums mate.
Lucky that ArenaNet doesn’t care about QQers like Blizz does and keep nerfing as whines want.
that warrior was kitten lucky he actually knocked you down
No, bull rush knocks you down even if you stand still. If they start it close range, you won’t see the animation soon enough. Good wars always nail me with it right after a dodge, and if I don’t have a stunbreak/blind up, I usually die even with my 19khp and extra toughness.
Play some tourneys in sPvP while you’re at it. Notice how most top tier paid tourney teams don’t have thieves in them? There’s a reason for that.
And FYI, if you’re dying to someone spamming heartseeker, you need to step back and look at yourself, and figure out what you’re doing wrong. The glass-cannon thieves you watch out for are the ones that save init for stealth and throw dagger.
To me the easiest way to kill a thief is when he goes into stealth. Most of the times when a thief stealths he thinks he is safe and let his guard down… I can’t see him but he is always there.
Stealth is not a teleport and if a stealthed thief uses a teleport skill his stealth will be broken.
I can only really speak to the ranger vs thief point of view.
I (ranger) would like some sort of recourse for stealth characters without having to spec “just for killing thieves” (using the longbow for the AOE or swapping in terrible AOE skills).
The problem I have with them is that even if they are no match for me they still ca continue to stealth away and just wait for me to attack someone else.
In wvw yesterday I hit a thief that came out of stealth and then escaped again maybe a dozen times. When I finally got bored and left I was simply attacked by him again when I engaged the next target. He still didn’t get me, I didn’t even bother trying to hit him more than enough times to get him to run at this point. It’s like I had gained a permanent follower who wasn’t worth my time to bother with. It made me realize how grim things actually are when facing a thief that can down me in seconds; even if I was able to overcome losing to that first burst DPS there isn’t much of a chance the thief would die anyway…
I wish the ranger was more maneuverable than a thief. I mean the thief has stealth, why do they ALSO need to be more maneuverable than a ranger?
Stealth is fine, the rendering issue is the real problem. For instance… if you can only render 30 characters in your immediate area. If the thief stealths and someone else joins the fight – the thief won’t re-render and now as the ability to kill everyone without being attacked. It’s actually a lul tactic for offense… right before your zerg rushes through a broken gate/wall drop the Mesmer Stealth Field and your entire zerg won’t re-render XD
Just a temp fix suggestion, stealth abilities need to be shortened a second to counter the “bonus” stealth given through delay that would be heavenly. As for countering a thief, whenever my engi is attacked outta nowhere, I instantly panic and drop smoke bomb and big ol bomb to give me stealth and block C&D, maybe even knockdown the thief, except all they do is go poof and tele away or stun break, then come right back at me while my counters are recharging and Im pretty much guarenteed dead, Ive maxed out toughness and HP and I still die pretty quickly. The worst part about it is that the thief manages to down 5 more people in the same spot. Ive learned that if there are allies dead in a open spot, youre pretty much going suicidal trying to res them.
Edit- I know this isn’t related but are theifs pretty much immune to the 66% skill recharge debuff from chill, considering they use initiative instead?
just encountered a thief on JQ just outside of stonemist this lil asura thief single handedly took out 6 people by bouncing in and out of stealth then ran away……. its always the same tactic .. strike then hide.. strike then hide
