Guild Wars 2

I just hit 25 stacks of conf with my warrior! everyone praise their new cond dmg gods!

golf clap for well balanced skills/new runes/builds

That rune set is going to take a nerf bat to the face.

does anyone actually balance the new PvE runes for WvW? ive given up on WvW having any semblance of balance

fought an ele who was traited to remove cond and he just melted. what a joke

When will people learn:

1) Anet dont care about WvW
2) Anet dont know what the word Balance means

Knowing Anet, they will nerf the new runes to the point they become unusable. They really need to STOP doing the balancing and bring in people that know how to balance content. All the skills and traits that have first been over buffed, then over nerfed.

This game will NEVER be balanced with them in control.

i knew they didnt care, but its beyond “not caring” and sliding into “hey lets ruin it!”

do you know how easy it would have been for them to just not have PvE balances go into WvW? or PvE runes into WvW? good lord

CrassBippy.4619:

does anyone actually balance the new PvE runes for WvW? ive given up on WvW having any semblance of balance

fought an ele who was traited to remove cond and he just melted. what a joke

I don’t think they considered Warrior mechanics when they created this, and more importantly, how it might impact WvW.

Liquid.9672:

CrassBippy.4619:

does anyone actually balance the new PvE runes for WvW? ive given up on WvW having any semblance of balance

fought an ele who was traited to remove cond and he just melted. what a joke

I don’t think they considered Warrior mechanics when they created this, and more importantly, how it might impact WvW.

while that may be the case, what about giving engineers access to an AOE torment? engineers can already mop the floor with cond dmg. or Necros with even more conditions?

they are just trying to make cond dmg decent for PvE and making WvW nothing but mass conditions/borderline stupid.

CrassBippy.4619:

i knew they didnt care, but its beyond “not caring” and sliding into “hey lets ruin it!”

do you know how easy it would have been for them to just not have PvE balances go into WvW? or PvE runes into WvW? good lord

They have no interest in WvW, personally i think it was a cheap mode due to the character system (no Faction Vs Faction aka World PvP) I think it has been clear from the start they dont really know what they are doing when it comes to updates, buffs and nerfs when it comes to how it will affect WvW

They are likely doing it to try and force people to play S/TPvP as they know it is a complete mess at the moment and they think that it can become a E-Sport is full on crazy.

Ya i know, if theyd just leave WvW alone and stop adding all the new crap to it, it would be better then all the awful balances theyve done.

Could someone explain how the rune of perplexity allows stacking confusion that high? Am I missing something.

Also, the necro torment thing is good but not as strong as some other options imo (rune of the adventurer). Necros don’t need cover conditions as their condis are spammed over time, making cleansing nearly useless.

conf stacks on interupt. even thieves can get crazy high stacks of conf now with pistol dazes. hooray

conf was OP in those days, and now its going right back to op! hoooray

…For everyone except Mesmer :/

Oh I see, the warrior skill gives 4 stacks, and I am assuming the rune does as well. This simply needs an ICD so that professions spamming interrupts can’t confusion bomb others so easily.

Wow, these are REALLY OP on thieves, maybe even more than warriors. So much spammable dazes (duration doesn’t matter) and confusion just piles up like nuts. On D/P, you just headshot whenever you want. If you take daze on steal, you get another stun/interrupt to confuse your opponents. You can complete prevent cures and stack up confusion. Its a bit rediculous.

yeah ty anet for giving every class an easy way to stack confusion, while the class that actually should be specialized in confusion had to give up everything and alone didnt even get 25 stacks. sry not logging on till this gets fixed. this is a slap in the face for every mesmer!anet has absoutely no clue about balance or anything and i main a mesmer and this is absolut bullkitten!

this whole patch is an absolute nightmare for wvw!

I have it on my ranger, Honestly it needs a 10 second ICD

I’m confused what are we talking about?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rune_of_Perplexity

Thrumdi.9216:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rune_of_Perplexity

I’m still perplexed, please explain.

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

I’m confused what are we talking about?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Distracting_Strikes

They should buff runes of torment the heal give a 20s torment that does no dmg and only gives like 2s durration to normal skills what crap.

K U T M.4539:

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

I’m confused what are we talking about?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Distracting_Strikes

Sorry I was a bit distracted, what does this have to do with a rune?

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

K U T M.4539:

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

I’m confused what are we talking about?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Distracting_Strikes

Sorry I was a bit distracted, what does this have to do with a rune?

ha

K U T M.4539:

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

K U T M.4539:

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

I’m confused what are we talking about?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Distracting_Strikes

Sorry I was a bit distracted, what does this have to do with a rune?

ha

This what happen when we let Milky take a vacation.

Liquid.9672:

K U T M.4539:

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

K U T M.4539:

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

I’m confused what are we talking about?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Distracting_Strikes

Sorry I was a bit distracted, what does this have to do with a rune?

ha

This what happen when we let Milky take a vacation.

Babies don’t need a vacation, but I still see them at the beach… it kitten es me off! I’ll go over to a little baby and say ‘What are you doing here? You haven’t worked a day in your life!’

in zergs these just dont matter they will get cleansed by mass shout cleanse/condi reduc runes/food

as for 1v1 wvwvw balance lol who the kitten cares

This rune needs an internal cooldown of 15 seconds or so for the #6 ability. With 30 points to trait line, which increases condition duration and +40% confusion duration consumable, you can achieve +100% confusion uptime on ANY profession.

Currently each single interrupt (daze, stun, knockdown, pull, push, launch etc) causes confusion:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Superior_Rune_of_Perplexity

Warriors have access to a lot of those e.g. warrior’s hammer has multiple area interrupts. And warriors have this trait:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Distracting_Strikes

Even more power to the already overpowered melee train!?

CrassBippy.4619:

does anyone actually balance the new PvE runes for WvW?

Ofc not.

Everything is balanced (lol balance…w/e) around spvp, implications in pve and wvw are not even a nusiance.

Bogy.2953:

as for 1v1 wvwvw balance lol who the kitten cares

^ this

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

When will people learn:

1) Anet dont care about WvW
2) Anet dont know what the word Balance means

Knowing Anet, they will nerf the new runes to the point they become unusable. They really need to STOP doing the balancing and bring in people that know how to balance content. All the skills and traits that have first been over buffed, then over nerfed.

This game will NEVER be balanced with them in control.

players: “Wvw sucks! There’s no balance! There’s no content! Fortress conquer is pointless!”

anet: “We are such an awesome team that care so much about wvw that we fixed culling! And it didn’t even take an year! We expect millions of people to join wvw now!”

players: “We need new content! An actuale sense in what we do in wvw!”

anet: “We have been completely reworked wvw to insert high rewards and progression system! introducing daily laurel farming and wvw rank abilities!”

players: “That’s not content! Besides there’s still major bugs and huge balance issues!”

anet: “Don’t worry! We just implemented a 250vitality buff to whoever farms more rank points! This way a full zerk warrior with twice the dmg/hp/armor than any other hybrid class can work to have even more hp and not worry about that anymore!”

If we’re talking about these people yeah, I’m sure they’ll come up with some good ideas to revamp wvw soon enough.

Yeah, it’s a whine.
Yeah, i’m disappointed
Yeah, they screwd up big time. And it would be nice if they actually tried to do something about it, but I really fail to see any effort in that way. Sure, we had votes, living world events and all that kitten but who gives a kitten, srsly, i want some pvp, some action. They advertised wvw as a major innovative awesome feature and that’s what brought me to buy the game, and since i can’t have my money back it would be nice if they could think at some improvements.

Because seriously, they’ve made such a big issue about gw2 not being “that mmorpg” in which you need to chase new items and such but the only ideas i’ve seen them pulling out were introducing ascended / laurels and rank abilities.

yeah these runes throw the whole wvw out of balance as everyone no can stack confusion easily. torment rune has at least a huge cd, but this rune makes a warrior insta stck 9 stacks of confusion and they last for 10 kitten seconds. i mean who designs something like that? that is absolutely op and buffing classes that really dont need a bff at all! ty anet for destroying a fun game. i really dont feel like logging on atm. all the bugs and now this.
sorry this makes the mesmer look like a class with no role anymore. we are not the magical duelists who wield deception as a weapon. Using powerful illusions, clones, and phantasmal magic to confuse and distract their foes anymore.

we are the guys that can have a few clones or phantasms and a shatter and even more useles mantras that u have to recharge over and over and therefor arent viable in wvw.
now mesmers are veilbots. we have a condition attached to many of our traits that is now easier to stack for a warrior and a thief.
mesmers get more and more 1v1 babythings that are utterly useless in wvw and now this? geez ty anet, now at least i know that u hate mesmers so much that we have skills that other classes master way better than us!
rare veggie pizzas went skyrocket because of this too! this destoyed balance in wvw!

Perfect runes for bad players. Dont dodge → make insane damage. Need to be tanky for that tho.

Slomo.1029:

Perfect runes for bad players. Dont dodge -> make insane damage. Need to be tanky for that tho.

oh now u guys talk like that , now that u all can stack it huh? thats what we told u guys to begin with. dont spam buttons, but u kept crying and now that u have it too next to hundreds of skills we dont have u tell us the same thing! of course u dont kitten spam! we got nerfed soo kitten hard in terms of confusion that stacking was made neary impossible and now 1 kitten rune manges what we were never able to do, while we though gave EVERYTHING else up for viable stacks like that.!

selan.8354:

Slomo.1029:

Perfect runes for bad players. Dont dodge -> make insane damage. Need to be tanky for that tho.

oh now u guys talk like that , now that u all can stack it huh? thats what we told u guys to begin with. dont spam buttons, but u kept crying and now that u have it too next to hundreds of skills we dont have u tell us the same thing! of course u dont kitten spam! we got nerfed soo kitten hard in terms of confusion that stacking was made neary impossible and now 1 kitten rune manges what we were never able to do, while we though gave EVERYTHING else up for viable stacks like that.!

I dont really get what you are talking about, but I assume you are a mesmer trying to explain to me why the confusion nerf was bad in the first place.
As a Mesmer myself I can say that the confusion nerf was needed. The galmour builds are still strong in certain moments. But they are (and always were) boring to me.

This rune however is bullkitten for the reasons you described. I agree.

Pre-Rune: My warrior could easily stack 8-12 Confusion, a bit more with effort.
With-Rune: The exact same build stacks 21-25 Confusion easily.

I enjoyed the build before the rune… seemed to catch people off-guard with the 12 stacks of Confusion. I saw the new runes and thought that would be perfect, adding an extra stack of confusion on each interrupt… but it added more than one. I thought my quirky build was getting better, but it seems to have gotten overpowered which completely eliminates its quirkiness. (shakes fist)

tldr: I was playing confusion warrior before it was cool.

Slomo.1029:

selan.8354:

Slomo.1029:

Perfect runes for bad players. Dont dodge -> make insane damage. Need to be tanky for that tho.

oh now u guys talk like that , now that u all can stack it huh? thats what we told u guys to begin with. dont spam buttons, but u kept crying and now that u have it too next to hundreds of skills we dont have u tell us the same thing! of course u dont kitten spam! we got nerfed soo kitten hard in terms of confusion that stacking was made neary impossible and now 1 kitten rune manges what we were never able to do, while we though gave EVERYTHING else up for viable stacks like that.!

I dont really get what you are talking about, but I assume you are a mesmer trying to explain to me why the confusion nerf was bad in the first place.
As a Mesmer myself I can say that the confusion nerf was needed. The galmour builds are still strong in certain moments. But they are (and always were) boring to me.

This rune however is bullkitten for the reasons you described. I agree.

nah the thing is everyone was whining about confusion and now the same people come here and say, hey just dont spam buttons. glam builds were very strong but it got overnerfed for mesmers with the bb nerf that made confusion hard to stack and the 50 percent of course.

Hmmm, I bet they’ll patch in an ICD.

In the meantime, anyone know if this will work with fear?

Zinrae.3769:

Hmmm, I bet they’ll patch in an ICD.

In the meantime, anyone know if this will work with fear?

nope, doesnt work with fear cause fear doesnt count as an interrupt. which is sad.

misterdevious.6482:

Pre-Rune: My warrior could easily stack 8-12 Confusion, a bit more with effort.
With-Rune: The exact same build stacks 21-25 Confusion easily.

I enjoyed the build before the rune… seemed to catch people off-guard with the 12 stacks of Confusion. I saw the new runes and thought that would be perfect, adding an extra stack of confusion on each interrupt… but it added more than one. I thought my quirky build was getting better, but it seems to have gotten overpowered which completely eliminates its quirkiness. (shakes fist)

tldr: I was playing confusion warrior before it was cool.

Even worse, there is a potential for Anet to nerf your build instead of the rune — they seem to like nerfing around the problem point.

Lord Kuru.3685:

misterdevious.6482:

Pre-Rune: My warrior could easily stack 8-12 Confusion, a bit more with effort.
With-Rune: The exact same build stacks 21-25 Confusion easily.

I enjoyed the build before the rune… seemed to catch people off-guard with the 12 stacks of Confusion. I saw the new runes and thought that would be perfect, adding an extra stack of confusion on each interrupt… but it added more than one. I thought my quirky build was getting better, but it seems to have gotten overpowered which completely eliminates its quirkiness. (shakes fist)

tldr: I was playing confusion warrior before it was cool.

Even worse, there is a potential for Anet to nerf your build instead of the rune — they seem to like nerfing around the problem point.

So much this. Be careful what you wish for.

It’ll get nerfed like the torment runes did. Those didn’t start with an ICD on the heal… and all the eng’s looked at them with medpack filled eyes… for all of 5 mins

selan.8354:

this whole patch is an absolute nightmare for wvw!

Anet doesn’t care and wants WvW to die so they can reduce server costs.

The confusion proccing has a CD of 15 seconds, though I’m not sure what the CD is for the confusion on interruption that you seen to be able to get as well

There was just a patch anyone know what the change was??

Queen’s Jubilee

Queen’s Gauntlet: Adjusted the rewards given for defeating Subject 7, the veteran ooze.
Queen’s Gauntlet: Fixed issue where Subject 7’s Oozes would not despawn after a fight in certain circumstances.

WvW

Fixed a bug that sometimes prevented loot from dropping off players in WvW.

General

Fixed the “Daily Karma Spender” achievement.
Fixed a crash bug.

Performance

Fixed a bug that would cause some maps to take longer to load than was necessary.

Good stuff! wish they would have made the torment on heal higher dmg and shorter duration though.

Let’s be honest here. Anet didn’t player test the new runes. When first released, the Perplexity 4/6 bonus proc’d on the player instead of the target! If they tested the runes for more than 30 seconds, there’s no way that bug would have slipped through.

I’m sure something will be done before too long. Perplexity is not absurd as the Torment runes w/o an ICD (so fun while it lasted), but the 6/6 bonus needs either an ICD, stack reduction, or duration reduction.

Really I don’t see why they even added the icd to torment 6/6 it is 20s and does like no dmg.

The hilarity comes from realizing that the very first incarnation of the rune wasn’t a hugely embarrassing error on the rune designer’s part.
Checks and balances, my friends.
Think about it.