Guild Wars 2

CrockD.8257:

You can just go to other cities:
Yes, but none of the other cities offer the same level of convenience as Lion’s Arch (in terms of number of services offered and proximity of services to each other, not to mention gate travel) , that’s why LA was consistently the most visited location. If you do a lot of crafting, or are trying to make a legendary or use the BLT a lot you absolutely know what I mean. Time is money and you will be losing a lot of time from this loss of convenience.

Sorry but no, Rata Sum is 20 times better than Lion’s Arch in terms of convenience, everything is so packed that you don’t need to go on a 2min run to get frmo the bank to the BLTP merchant, and the crafting stations are super close, so no, LA sucks in comparison with Rata Sum in those services that you mentioned.

Person A
“I always took Highway X to get to work. Then one day the city decided to change Highway X to Tollway X. Now I have to pay for the same convenience I used to get for free. Sure, there are other alternative routes to get me to work, but these are far less convenient. I’m not happy with this change.”

Person B
“This isn’t a big deal because I don’t think it’s a big deal. It’s not like you have to take the highway to get to work. Besides, you should be happy to pay the tolls; that money goes to support your local government.”

Manuhell.2759:

Kal Spiro.9745:

CharrGirl.7896:

Black Citadel has all services in close proximity to one another. I never used LA for that. You have crafting stations, bank and trade post all concentrated near the Diessa Gate.

Along with the famous Black Citadel Mystic Forge and their dungeon vendor, right?

Then go to the kittening Vigil Keep for that.

echo.2053:

Lol your in a better position just to protest them to put the services back in la so that you can face wrecked by an upscaled mob while crafting asc armor then to convince them not to find ways to pay the bills while continuing to give free access.

Chances are that la will go back to its former glory after the ls ( though I hope it never does, come at me bubbles) so all this hub bun will be in vain.

Lol charrgirl has some brass for wanting to be in the black citadel

Oh, it will probably happen. It still won’t change what happened here – putting convenience that was free over a paywall, even if for a limited time.

CharrGirl.7896:

Then go to the kittening Vigil Keep for that.

Where there are no crafting stations apart from the airship ones. So we’re still at that – they’ve removed convenience and put it over a paywall.

Manuhell.2759:

CharrGirl.7896:

Then go to the kittening Vigil Keep for that.

Where there are no crafting stations apart from the airship ones. So we’re still at that – they’ve removed convenience and put it over a paywall.

Oh for the love of… it’s like crafting stations don’t exist in other cities right? As I said take BC for example you have stations, bank and TP all extremely close to one another, I never needed to use LA for that. Much cleaner, less lag. The only time I actually needed to go to LA was for the dungeon vendors, and sometimes Mystic Forge.

I honestly think you’re making a bigger problem out of this then you should…

Face it. People complaining about this look silly for being upset over a perceived injustice that doesn’t really exist, as has been noted over and again multiple times.

CharrGirl.7896:

Manuhell.2759:

CharrGirl.7896:

Then go to the kittening Vigil Keep for that.

Where there are no crafting stations apart from the airship ones. So we’re still at that – they’ve removed convenience and put it over a paywall.

Oh for the love of… it’s like crafting stations don’t exist in other cities right? As I said take BC for example you have stations, bank and TP all extremely close to one another, I never needed to use LA for that. Much cleaner, less lag. The only time I actually needed to go to LA was for the dungeon vendors, and sometimes Mystic Forge.

I honestly think you’re making a bigger problem out of this then you should…

No no, see, apparently on a typical day he needs to be able to peruse the dungeon vendors, then use the bank and trading post so that he can craft something and then throw it in the mystic toilet.

If he can’t do all five things at the drop of a hat without a single loading screen between them he is being unfairly inconvenienced.

I personally have never been in a situation where I needed to be able to craft AND use the mystic toilet together, but I guess it’s a normal thing?

Another let down. Guess I will take yet another 2 week hiatus

Stone.6751:

Face it. People complaining about this look silly for being upset over a perceived injustice that doesn’t really exist, as has been noted over and again multiple times.

I really hate using this word, because it’s reserved for those rare occasions where it actually means something, but this is that time. The people complaining that they HAVE to buy this have entitlement issues, there’s no other way to explain this. They feel entitled to have everything for free, they feel entitled to not have to go through loading screens, they feel entitled to have everything they want without much effort. There, it’s finally been said.

Ohhhhhh you said the e-word !!!!!! Lol makes ya feel nasty after writing huh. Yeah pretty much spot on. They make a change trying to better the gameplay and all of a sudden players are in an uproar crying for restitution. Makes ya really look forward to future games

RyuDragnier.9476:

Stone.6751:

Face it. People complaining about this look silly for being upset over a perceived injustice that doesn’t really exist, as has been noted over and again multiple times.

I really hate using this word, because it’s reserved for those rare occasions where it actually means something, but this is that time. The people complaining that they HAVE to buy this have entitlement issues, there’s no other way to explain this. They feel entitled to have everything for free, they feel entitled to not have to go through loading screens, they feel entitled to have everything they want without much effort. There, it’s finally been said.

So you don’t think there’s a problem with taking away a feature people paid for (in their $60 game purchase) and trying to sell it back to them as a microtransaction?

First off, Ohh the six gods forbid that a F2P game charges for something! (ok well buy to play.) It could be a lot worse they could be going the route of a certain sci game based on a major franchise. They nickle and dime you left and right in that game.

While when I first realized what ANet had done I was bit shocked for sure. After like 5 mins I had no problem with it. If I wanna craft I will just go to my home city (Rata Sum). I mean it dose not cost that much to TP there., plus Vigil Keep has all the capitol City Asura gates at no charge.

Yea sure it would be nice to have everything in a tight little area like LA was, but like many people have said I think this is only temporary. We will be getting a new main hub city soon (perhaps even a rebuilt lions arch). If you do not like it do not buy simple answer. I will not be buying it, I just do not think it is worth the price.

Why be lazy explore the vast world the devs worked long hours on. I think that was one of the ideas behind it, I mean until now I hardly saw someone over lvl 20 in Rata Sum.

This is actually almost ingenious. Take away the normal hub, charge the “inconvenienced” to get the same convenience (except its actually 10 times better than the original to begin with, so nice try on the direct comparison), and split the player base out more to their next-preffered place of afkness. Nope, no complaints here.

Actually, the point is that there are workarounds to get other things. They weren’t taken from the game. A paywall requires them to have been taken from the game unless you pay the fee. Again, you complainers HAVE NO BASIS. Want to prevent them from doing this again in the future? DON’T PAY THE FEE. If it doesn’t sell (which from what I heard it hasn’t been that well), they won’t do it again.

There, problem fixed, stop acting like this was some criminal action against everybody in the game when it wasn’t. If it takes you just a minute just to walk to an area that has the crafting stations, it’s a minor inconvenience equal to walking across the street to the other gas station for a soda you like just because the one you live next to doesn’t have it.

RyuDragnier.9476:

There, problem fixed, stop acting like this was some criminal action against everybody in the game when it wasn’t. If it takes you just a minute just to walk to an area that has the crafting stations, it’s a minor inconvenience equal to walking across the street to the other gas station for a soda you like just because the one you live next to doesn’t have it.

When has anyone said that it’s criminal? It’s just scummy behaviour. They removed a feature from the game we already paid for, and are trying to make us buy it back again.

Carzor Stelatis.9435:

RyuDragnier.9476:

There, problem fixed, stop acting like this was some criminal action against everybody in the game when it wasn’t. If it takes you just a minute just to walk to an area that has the crafting stations, it’s a minor inconvenience equal to walking across the street to the other gas station for a soda you like just because the one you live next to doesn’t have it.

When has anyone said that it’s criminal? It’s just scummy behaviour. They removed a feature from the game we already paid for, and are trying to make us buy it back again.

Except its not what you had before…. it is in fact better.

Vilkatis.6495:

Rata Sum ,anyone heard of it?

Do tell me where the mystic forge is located in that midget-populated town?

Windwalker.2047:

Vilkatis.6495:

Rata Sum ,anyone heard of it?

Do tell me where the mystic forge is located in that midget-populated town?

>implying the mystic forge isn’t really close to the asura gates in Vigil Keep
>implying it takes longer than 1 minute to port to Rata Sum
>implying Lion’s Arch is the only city in the game

I can keep going if you want.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Windwalker.2047:

Vilkatis.6495:

Rata Sum ,anyone heard of it?

Do tell me where the mystic forge is located in that midget-populated town?

>implying the mystic forge isn’t really close to the asura gates in Vigil Keep
>implying it takes longer than 1 minute to port to Rata Sum
>implying Lion’s Arch is the only city in the game

I can keep going if you want.

It does take more than 1 min esp for people without SSD-s.
Lion’s Arch is(was) the only city in the game with every service in it-the only way to get that now is to use the gemstore.
Still waiting for that location.

Windwalker.2047:

RyuDragnier.9476:

Windwalker.2047:

Vilkatis.6495:

Rata Sum ,anyone heard of it?

Do tell me where the mystic forge is located in that midget-populated town?

>implying the mystic forge isn’t really close to the asura gates in Vigil Keep
>implying it takes longer than 1 minute to port to Rata Sum
>implying Lion’s Arch is the only city in the game

I can keep going if you want.

It does take more than 1 min esp for people without SSD-s.
Lion’s Arch is(was) the only city in the game with every service in it-the only way to get that now is to use the gemstore.
Still waiting for that location.

If it takes more than one minute to load one of the lower areas of Rata Sum you do not meet the minimum requirements for this game and therefore really can’t complain, sorry. I don’t have a solid-state drive but it takes 10 seconds or less to load.

I don’t even go to Rata Sum for crafting, I actually go to Claypool, it’s nice and quiet, everything is laid out close together and simple, how can you go wrong? In fact I’ve been going there to do my crafting since the very beginning, so I was not impacted by this change in the slightest.

The pass to the Captain’s airship is really nothing more than a premium. We don’t pay subscription fees to play this game, so it’s sort of just understood that things like this are there to give players the choice to show their support for Anet and actually receive something to show for it. Don’t whine about it. You’re the one who got into a game that was advertised as having an ever-changing world where things might come and go all the time, it makes little sense to complain when it does.

The argument that you’re somehow “forced” to pay $12.50 if you want to do crafting obviously does not hold up to basic scrutiny. You can pay 1-2 silver for that by warping to Claypool or Rata Sum, period. It also makes no sense to bring loading times into the equation because of the simple fact that Lion’s Arch used to take literally five to ten times longer to load than any other place in the game, so why didn’t it bother you then?

darkace.8925:

Person A
“I always took Highway X to get to work. Then one day the city decided to change Highway X to Tollway X. Now I have to pay for the same convenience I used to get for free. Sure, there are other alternative routes to get me to work, but these are far less convenient. I’m not happy with this change.”

Terrible analogy.

“One day something happened and Highway X got closed for now while they work on it. Instead I can take Tollway Y to get to work, and pay a small fee to do it like everyone else in the city.”

Person B
“This isn’t a big deal because I don’t think it’s a big deal. It’s not like you have to take the highway to get to work. Besides, you should be happy to pay the tolls; that money goes to support your local government.”

More like:

“You should be happy the tolls are going to pay for the repairs to Highway X. There’s also citizens contacting the city council asking them to put in an extra lane to make it smoother.”

Again, I hate analogies. Always something wrong with them.

This shouldn’t be surprising to anyone, they’ve done it before and they’ll keep doing it more and more because as you can see people love being taken advantage of.

This is why you should always play games with a sub if you can. They don’t charge you for convenience, they put it right in the game. They don’t charge you for new armor, they put it right in the game. Content is permanent in sub games because you pay a sub for it. You get expansions because they don’t need to waste all their development making cash grabs because you pay a steady fee. P2P games will always be better than F2P games.

I got two free passes from the alliance bags within the first day (probably have more now) and have yet to use them and likely never will.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

This is why you should always play games with a sub if you can. They don’t charge you for convenience, they put it right in the game. They don’t charge you for new armor, they put it right in the game.

I’ve been playing Guild Wars 1 since release (I still play it on occasion, though less since GW2 came out obviously). Under the p2p model, Guild Wars 1 would have cost me $1620 (assuming $15/month sub like most MMOs).

ZudetGambeous.9573:

This shouldn’t be surprising to anyone, they’ve done it before and they’ll keep doing it more and more because as you can see people love being taken advantage of.

This is why you should always play games with a sub if you can. They don’t charge you for convenience, they put it right in the game. They don’t charge you for new armor, they put it right in the game. Content is permanent in sub games because you pay a sub for it.

But your logic is flawed because if you willingly paid money for every new convenience / armour set on the Guild Wars 2 gem store, it would still be significantly cheaper than paying a subscription in a sub-based MMO. And then there’s the obvious factor that no one realistically is going to want to buy every new convenience and armour set that comes along, but even if they did, it would still be cheaper. So actually your complaint boils down to “I hate paying money for things in this game, I wish I could pay significantly more just to play the game and get those things for free.” It’s flawed reasoning like this that the multi-billion dollar scams that are sub-based MMOs survive on.

You get expansions because they don’t need to waste all their development making cash grabs because you pay a steady fee. P2P games will always be better than F2P games.

On the other hand, the fact that players are already paying sub fees regardless of the quality of new content means that there is absolutely nothing to assure the quality of that content. Just look at what WoW became for this exact reason — “ah the players are already stuck in this $15-a-month program we lured them into, not like we have any motivation to produce good content because they’re effectively paying for it either way.”

Elricht Kaltwind.8796:

Windwalker.2047:

RyuDragnier.9476:

Windwalker.2047:

Vilkatis.6495:

Rata Sum ,anyone heard of it?

Do tell me where the mystic forge is located in that midget-populated town?

>implying the mystic forge isn’t really close to the asura gates in Vigil Keep
>implying it takes longer than 1 minute to port to Rata Sum
>implying Lion’s Arch is the only city in the game

I can keep going if you want.

It does take more than 1 min esp for people without SSD-s.
Lion’s Arch is(was) the only city in the game with every service in it-the only way to get that now is to use the gemstore.
Still waiting for that location.

If it takes more than one minute to load one of the lower areas of Rata Sum you do not meet the minimum requirements for this game and therefore really can’t complain, sorry. I don’t have a solid-state drive but it takes 10 seconds or less to load.

I don’t even go to Rata Sum for crafting, I actually go to Claypool, it’s nice and quiet, everything is laid out close together and simple, how can you go wrong? In fact I’ve been going there to do my crafting since the very beginning, so I was not impacted by this change in the slightest.

The pass to the Captain’s airship is really nothing more than a premium. We don’t pay subscription fees to play this game, so it’s sort of just understood that things like this are there to give players the choice to show their support for Anet and actually receive something to show for it. Don’t whine about it. You’re the one who got into a game that was advertised as having an ever-changing world where things might come and go all the time, it makes little sense to complain when it does.

The argument that you’re somehow “forced” to pay $12.50 if you want to do crafting obviously does not hold up to basic scrutiny. You can pay 1-2 silver for that by warping to Claypool or Rata Sum, period. It also makes no sense to bring loading times into the equation because of the simple fact that Lion’s Arch used to take literally five to ten times longer to load than any other place in the game, so why didn’t it bother you then?

FIND ME AN AREA THAT HAS ALL THE SERVICES IN THE GAME THAT CAN BE ACCESSED WITHOUT THE GEM STORE-LIKE THE ONE WE HAD LAST WEEK AND NOT ANYMORE DUE TO A BUNCH OF SUIT-WEARING GREEDY GREMLINS THAT YOU PROBABLY WORK FOR.
Yes the caps were needed,I was yelling.

darkace.8925:

Person A
“I always took Highway X to get to work. Then one day the city decided to change Highway X to Tollway X. Now I have to pay for the same convenience I used to get for free. Sure, there are other alternative routes to get me to work, but these are far less convenient. I’m not happy with this change.”

Person B
“This isn’t a big deal because I don’t think it’s a big deal. It’s not like you have to take the highway to get to work. Besides, you should be happy to pay the tolls; that money goes to support your local government.”

you forgot to mention that the difference in time between the highway and the other road is only about 3 minutes.

Now take real life – a morning train got canceled and now instead of taking a train at 8, I have to take one at 7 and stand outside the lecture hall for an hour. Can’t really pay anyone to have that inconvenience changed.

My point: mystic forging, jumping trough the gate at vigil’s keep to get to rata sum to craft and go back to vigils keep costs you barely any time at all even with the slowest of the computers.

Windwalker.2047:

Elricht Kaltwind.8796:

Windwalker.2047:

RyuDragnier.9476:

Windwalker.2047:

Vilkatis.6495:

Rata Sum ,anyone heard of it?

Do tell me where the mystic forge is located in that midget-populated town?

>implying the mystic forge isn’t really close to the asura gates in Vigil Keep
>implying it takes longer than 1 minute to port to Rata Sum
>implying Lion’s Arch is the only city in the game

I can keep going if you want.

It does take more than 1 min esp for people without SSD-s.
Lion’s Arch is(was) the only city in the game with every service in it-the only way to get that now is to use the gemstore.
Still waiting for that location.

If it takes more than one minute to load one of the lower areas of Rata Sum you do not meet the minimum requirements for this game and therefore really can’t complain, sorry. I don’t have a solid-state drive but it takes 10 seconds or less to load.

I don’t even go to Rata Sum for crafting, I actually go to Claypool, it’s nice and quiet, everything is laid out close together and simple, how can you go wrong? In fact I’ve been going there to do my crafting since the very beginning, so I was not impacted by this change in the slightest.

The pass to the Captain’s airship is really nothing more than a premium. We don’t pay subscription fees to play this game, so it’s sort of just understood that things like this are there to give players the choice to show their support for Anet and actually receive something to show for it. Don’t whine about it. You’re the one who got into a game that was advertised as having an ever-changing world where things might come and go all the time, it makes little sense to complain when it does.

The argument that you’re somehow “forced” to pay $12.50 if you want to do crafting obviously does not hold up to basic scrutiny. You can pay 1-2 silver for that by warping to Claypool or Rata Sum, period. It also makes no sense to bring loading times into the equation because of the simple fact that Lion’s Arch used to take literally five to ten times longer to load than any other place in the game, so why didn’t it bother you then?

FIND ME AN AREA THAT HAS ALL THE SERVICES IN THE GAME THAT CAN BE ACCESSED WITHOUT THE GEM STORE-LIKE THE ONE WE HAD LAST WEEK AND NOT ANYMORE DUE TO A BUNCH OF SUIT-WEARING GREEDY GREMLINS THAT YOU PROBABLY WORK FOR.
Yes the caps were needed,I was yelling.

Uhh. I like totally found this airship pass thing from some random event I was doing. I think it was an area that was a city… maybe… anyways, I gave it to my alt cus like, he’s cooland stuff. Now he lives in this airship thing like whoa. And then, cus its like VIP up there, I totally needed to get my main in, cus like don’t leave a homie hanging. Good thing I roll hard in the paint for them dolla dolla bills yalll cus then I like totally saw you can buy permanent access to the totes cool VIP area.

Carzor Stelatis.9435:

RyuDragnier.9476:

There, problem fixed, stop acting like this was some criminal action against everybody in the game when it wasn’t. If it takes you just a minute just to walk to an area that has the crafting stations, it’s a minor inconvenience equal to walking across the street to the other gas station for a soda you like just because the one you live next to doesn’t have it.

When has anyone said that it’s criminal? It’s just scummy behaviour. They removed a feature from the game we already paid for, and are trying to make us buy it back again.

What feature did they remove. All the features present in LA are still available for free in the game, just not in the same place. No feature was removed.

Windwalker.2047:

Elricht Kaltwind.8796:

Windwalker.2047:

RyuDragnier.9476:

Windwalker.2047:

Vilkatis.6495:

Rata Sum ,anyone heard of it?

Do tell me where the mystic forge is located in that midget-populated town?

>implying the mystic forge isn’t really close to the asura gates in Vigil Keep
>implying it takes longer than 1 minute to port to Rata Sum
>implying Lion’s Arch is the only city in the game

I can keep going if you want.

It does take more than 1 min esp for people without SSD-s.
Lion’s Arch is(was) the only city in the game with every service in it-the only way to get that now is to use the gemstore.
Still waiting for that location.

If it takes more than one minute to load one of the lower areas of Rata Sum you do not meet the minimum requirements for this game and therefore really can’t complain, sorry. I don’t have a solid-state drive but it takes 10 seconds or less to load.

I don’t even go to Rata Sum for crafting, I actually go to Claypool, it’s nice and quiet, everything is laid out close together and simple, how can you go wrong? In fact I’ve been going there to do my crafting since the very beginning, so I was not impacted by this change in the slightest.

The pass to the Captain’s airship is really nothing more than a premium. We don’t pay subscription fees to play this game, so it’s sort of just understood that things like this are there to give players the choice to show their support for Anet and actually receive something to show for it. Don’t whine about it. You’re the one who got into a game that was advertised as having an ever-changing world where things might come and go all the time, it makes little sense to complain when it does.

The argument that you’re somehow “forced” to pay $12.50 if you want to do crafting obviously does not hold up to basic scrutiny. You can pay 1-2 silver for that by warping to Claypool or Rata Sum, period. It also makes no sense to bring loading times into the equation because of the simple fact that Lion’s Arch used to take literally five to ten times longer to load than any other place in the game, so why didn’t it bother you then?

FIND ME AN AREA THAT HAS ALL THE SERVICES IN THE GAME THAT CAN BE ACCESSED WITHOUT THE GEM STORE-LIKE THE ONE WE HAD LAST WEEK AND NOT ANYMORE DUE TO A BUNCH OF SUIT-WEARING GREEDY GREMLINS THAT YOU PROBABLY WORK FOR.
Yes the caps were needed,I was yelling.

Why would I need to do that? All the services in the game are available between Vigil Keep and Rata Sum for free. For someone whose computer meets the recommended specs the travel time from the mystic forge in Vigil Keep to the crafting tables in Rata Sum is barely any longer than the time it took to run between the two points in Lion’s Arch. Does that help?

We are at war and our city was destroyed … deal with it!

I’m sure sometime in the near future when the dust has settled and Tryia has found a new hub we may see something similar to LA. In the mean time it shouldn’t be that big of a deal to travel to another major city (ill answer: no it’s not).

Kal Spiro.9745:

Carzor Stelatis.9435:

RyuDragnier.9476:

There, problem fixed, stop acting like this was some criminal action against everybody in the game when it wasn’t. If it takes you just a minute just to walk to an area that has the crafting stations, it’s a minor inconvenience equal to walking across the street to the other gas station for a soda you like just because the one you live next to doesn’t have it.

When has anyone said that it’s criminal? It’s just scummy behaviour. They removed a feature from the game we already paid for, and are trying to make us buy it back again.

What feature did they remove. All the features present in LA are still available for free in the game, just not in the same place. No feature was removed.

You now have to pay waypoint costs, whereas you didn’t before (openworld → WvW = free, Asura gate from WvW → LA = free).

Carzor Stelatis.9435:

You now have to pay waypoint costs, whereas you didn’t before (openworld -> WvW = free, Asura gate from WvW -> LA = free).

Vigil’s keep -> mystic forge -> asura gate to Rata Sum. You can repeat the process in reverse too. No costs for anything. Also Vigil’s keep → WvW free and WvW → character select → vigil’s keep free

Carzor Stelatis.9435:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Carzor Stelatis.9435:

RyuDragnier.9476:

There, problem fixed, stop acting like this was some criminal action against everybody in the game when it wasn’t. If it takes you just a minute just to walk to an area that has the crafting stations, it’s a minor inconvenience equal to walking across the street to the other gas station for a soda you like just because the one you live next to doesn’t have it.

When has anyone said that it’s criminal? It’s just scummy behaviour. They removed a feature from the game we already paid for, and are trying to make us buy it back again.

What feature did they remove. All the features present in LA are still available for free in the game, just not in the same place. No feature was removed.

You now have to pay waypoint costs, whereas you didn’t before (openworld -> WvW = free, Asura gate from WvW -> LA = free).

I think you mean having to travel to rata sum for crafting tables. See there’s these things that you mentioned called asura gates… and they are in the vigil…. see where I’m going?

Nozaton.9164:

I don’t usually post to forums but decided to on this topic. So here’s my 2cents.

I am like most people and don’t like so called “money grabs”, however I don’t really see the Captain’s Pass as one. It’s like most things in the gem Store… “it’s the cost of playing a free to play” game. Would you rather pay a monthly fee of say $14.99…$17.99 or an occasional $12.50 for something from the GS to help support the game?

if this game was remotely good class balance wise like GW1 i wouldnt mind the monthly fee , this is not the case and we pay initially for the game so its not total free to play , you purchase it then play it so its semi free to play.

Mirta.5029:

Carzor Stelatis.9435:

You now have to pay waypoint costs, whereas you didn’t before (openworld -> WvW = free, Asura gate from WvW -> LA = free).

Vigil’s keep -> mystic forge -> asura gate to Rata Sum. You can repeat the process in reverse too. No costs for anything. Also Vigil’s keep -> WvW free and WvW -> character select -> vigil’s keep free

yes cause i totally want to spend most of my time in the loading screen rather then doing stuff in the game ;-)

Carzor Stelatis.9435:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Carzor Stelatis.9435:

RyuDragnier.9476:

There, problem fixed, stop acting like this was some criminal action against everybody in the game when it wasn’t. If it takes you just a minute just to walk to an area that has the crafting stations, it’s a minor inconvenience equal to walking across the street to the other gas station for a soda you like just because the one you live next to doesn’t have it.

When has anyone said that it’s criminal? It’s just scummy behaviour. They removed a feature from the game we already paid for, and are trying to make us buy it back again.

What feature did they remove. All the features present in LA are still available for free in the game, just not in the same place. No feature was removed.

You now have to pay waypoint costs, whereas you didn’t before (openworld -> WvW = free, Asura gate from WvW -> LA = free).

I think you don’t understand what a feature is. Because this “chart” is not a list of missing features. Asura gates are features. Crafting tables are features. The Mystic Fountain is a feature. Waypoints are a feature. All these features still exist in the game at this very moment for free. Waypoints only cost in game currency, so for the purpose of this discussion are free.

Elricht Kaltwind.8796:

Windwalker.2047:

Elricht Kaltwind.8796:

Windwalker.2047:

RyuDragnier.9476:

Windwalker.2047:

Vilkatis.6495:

Rata Sum ,anyone heard of it?

Do tell me where the mystic forge is located in that midget-populated town?

>implying the mystic forge isn’t really close to the asura gates in Vigil Keep
>implying it takes longer than 1 minute to port to Rata Sum
>implying Lion’s Arch is the only city in the game

I can keep going if you want.

It does take more than 1 min esp for people without SSD-s.
Lion’s Arch is(was) the only city in the game with every service in it-the only way to get that now is to use the gemstore.
Still waiting for that location.

If it takes more than one minute to load one of the lower areas of Rata Sum you do not meet the minimum requirements for this game and therefore really can’t complain, sorry. I don’t have a solid-state drive but it takes 10 seconds or less to load.

I don’t even go to Rata Sum for crafting, I actually go to Claypool, it’s nice and quiet, everything is laid out close together and simple, how can you go wrong? In fact I’ve been going there to do my crafting since the very beginning, so I was not impacted by this change in the slightest.

The pass to the Captain’s airship is really nothing more than a premium. We don’t pay subscription fees to play this game, so it’s sort of just understood that things like this are there to give players the choice to show their support for Anet and actually receive something to show for it. Don’t whine about it. You’re the one who got into a game that was advertised as having an ever-changing world where things might come and go all the time, it makes little sense to complain when it does.

The argument that you’re somehow “forced” to pay $12.50 if you want to do crafting obviously does not hold up to basic scrutiny. You can pay 1-2 silver for that by warping to Claypool or Rata Sum, period. It also makes no sense to bring loading times into the equation because of the simple fact that Lion’s Arch used to take literally five to ten times longer to load than any other place in the game, so why didn’t it bother you then?

FIND ME AN AREA THAT HAS ALL THE SERVICES IN THE GAME THAT CAN BE ACCESSED WITHOUT THE GEM STORE-LIKE THE ONE WE HAD LAST WEEK AND NOT ANYMORE DUE TO A BUNCH OF SUIT-WEARING GREEDY GREMLINS THAT YOU PROBABLY WORK FOR.
Yes the caps were needed,I was yelling.

Why would I need to do that? All the services in the game are available between Vigil Keep and Rata Sum for free. For someone whose computer meets the recommended specs the travel time from the mystic forge in Vigil Keep to the crafting tables in Rata Sum is barely any longer than the time it took to run between the two points in Lion’s Arch. Does that help?

not really , i could run anywhere i needed to in LA faster then the loading time , and id rather be playing the game then spending most of it in the loading screen , hence this is a money grab in the end. dont want to spend time in the loading screen? buy a pass to the airship , aka convience that was there initially. see where this is going?
just cause you dont calculate the diff between loading screen time vs your running around LA time doesnt mean its faster (or slower) , for some of us , the loading screen takes longer but were aware of not running around every single thing in our path and can find faster paths.

Enundr.9305:

Mirta.5029:

Carzor Stelatis.9435:

You now have to pay waypoint costs, whereas you didn’t before (openworld -> WvW = free, Asura gate from WvW -> LA = free).

Vigil’s keep -> mystic forge -> asura gate to Rata Sum. You can repeat the process in reverse too. No costs for anything. Also Vigil’s keep -> WvW free and WvW -> character select -> vigil’s keep free

yes cause i totally want to spend most of my time in the loading screen rather then doing stuff in the game ;-)

Could you walk us through a typical day in Lion’s Arch so we can understand why you apparently need to use all the features that existed in that one place that no longer do?

ZudetGambeous.9573:

This shouldn’t be surprising to anyone, they’ve done it before and they’ll keep doing it more and more because as you can see people love being taken advantage of.

This is why you should always play games with a sub if you can. They don’t charge you for convenience, they put it right in the game. They don’t charge you for new armor, they put it right in the game. Content is permanent in sub games because you pay a sub for it. You get expansions because they don’t need to waste all their development making cash grabs because you pay a steady fee. P2P games will always be better than F2P games.

your right about most of it , the P2P always being better is always up in the air , this game was good but now that were seeing cash grabs the F2P aspect (the bad one you see from companies like EA) is starting to rear its ugly head , as much as people like to say “just go to another city” thats even more loading screen time i didnt have to deal with , and im still trying to grasp where ppl think running around in LA was slower then dealing with a loading screen , cause ive never seen that….pop swiftness , dont be a kitten and ignore obvious short cuts , and it was FAR faster then the loading screens. This is a cash grab people , get over it.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Enundr.9305:

Mirta.5029:

Carzor Stelatis.9435:

You now have to pay waypoint costs, whereas you didn’t before (openworld -> WvW = free, Asura gate from WvW -> LA = free).

Vigil’s keep -> mystic forge -> asura gate to Rata Sum. You can repeat the process in reverse too. No costs for anything. Also Vigil’s keep -> WvW free and WvW -> character select -> vigil’s keep free

yes cause i totally want to spend most of my time in the loading screen rather then doing stuff in the game ;-)

Could you walk us through a typical day in Lion’s Arch so we can understand why you apparently need to use all the features that existed in that one place that no longer do?

lets see i ran around on my necro , go to the artificing station , run to the cooking station , run to mystic forge , run to TP after selling a bunch of junk , see where this is going? cant exactly do that in our “temporary” place in vigil keep , loading screen would take alot longer then all of that as no other city has a mystic forge (unless there was a ninja update that put them in all the cities)

and dont know about you but id rather not spend most of the time in a loading screen , i tend not to be able to get stuff done in it when i can just pop swiftness between the longer paths when i was in LA ;-P

Enundr.9305:

your right about most of it , the P2P always being better is always up in the air , this game was good but now that were seeing cash grabs the F2P aspect (the bad one you see from companies like EA) is starting to rear its ugly head , as much as people like to say “just go to another city” thats even more loading screen time i didnt have to deal with , and im still trying to grasp where ppl think running around in LA was slower then dealing with a loading screen , cause ive never seen that….pop swiftness , dont be a kitten and ignore obvious short cuts , and it was FAR faster then the loading screens. This is a cash grab people , get over it.

So your solution would be to never have living story or anything interesting happening, because less than a minute of a load screen is being a money grubbing kitten?

Enundr.9305:

lets see i ran around on my necro , go to the artificing station , run to the cooking station , run to mystic forge , run to TP after selling a bunch of junk , see where this is going? cant exactly do that in our “temporary” place in vigil keep , loading screen would take alot longer then all of that as no other city has a mystic forge (unless there was a ninja update that put them in all the cities)

Do all the crafting and all the TP first, THEN go for a mystic forge. Did you really continuously run backwards and forwards? Because that’s not very efficient.

Enundr.9305:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

This shouldn’t be surprising to anyone, they’ve done it before and they’ll keep doing it more and more because as you can see people love being taken advantage of.

This is why you should always play games with a sub if you can. They don’t charge you for convenience, they put it right in the game. They don’t charge you for new armor, they put it right in the game. Content is permanent in sub games because you pay a sub for it. You get expansions because they don’t need to waste all their development making cash grabs because you pay a steady fee. P2P games will always be better than F2P games.

your right about most of it , the P2P always being better is always up in the air , this game was good but now that were seeing cash grabs the F2P aspect (the bad one you see from companies like EA) is starting to rear its ugly head , as much as people like to say “just go to another city” thats even more loading screen time i didnt have to deal with , and im still trying to grasp where ppl think running around in LA was slower then dealing with a loading screen , cause ive never seen that….pop swiftness , dont be a kitten and ignore obvious short cuts , and it was FAR faster then the loading screens. This is a cash grab people , get over it.

You know what, fine, it’s a cash grab. Unfortunately for them it’s a really weak one. I mean they’re giving away access to the place for free just for playing the game. And most of the people who play the game don’t need to use every single little thing that existed in LA and are still not buying the ticket.

See a real cash grab, that’s when you remove crafting or the mystic fountain from the game and force people to pay to use it at all. This isn’t that.

Mirta.5029:

Enundr.9305:

your right about most of it , the P2P always being better is always up in the air , this game was good but now that were seeing cash grabs the F2P aspect (the bad one you see from companies like EA) is starting to rear its ugly head , as much as people like to say “just go to another city” thats even more loading screen time i didnt have to deal with , and im still trying to grasp where ppl think running around in LA was slower then dealing with a loading screen , cause ive never seen that….pop swiftness , dont be a kitten and ignore obvious short cuts , and it was FAR faster then the loading screens. This is a cash grab people , get over it.

So your solution would be to never have living story or anything interesting happening, because less than a minute of a load screen is being a money grubbing kitten?

Enundr.9305:

lets see i ran around on my necro , go to the artificing station , run to the cooking station , run to mystic forge , run to TP after selling a bunch of junk , see where this is going? cant exactly do that in our “temporary” place in vigil keep , loading screen would take alot longer then all of that as no other city has a mystic forge (unless there was a ninja update that put them in all the cities)

Do all the crafting and all the TP first, THEN go for a mystic forge. Did you really continuously run backwards and forwards? Because that’s not very efficient.

so wheres your relavence between living story and cash grabs being set in? ;-P

Kal Spiro.9745:

Enundr.9305:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

This shouldn’t be surprising to anyone, they’ve done it before and they’ll keep doing it more and more because as you can see people love being taken advantage of.

This is why you should always play games with a sub if you can. They don’t charge you for convenience, they put it right in the game. They don’t charge you for new armor, they put it right in the game. Content is permanent in sub games because you pay a sub for it. You get expansions because they don’t need to waste all their development making cash grabs because you pay a steady fee. P2P games will always be better than F2P games.

your right about most of it , the P2P always being better is always up in the air , this game was good but now that were seeing cash grabs the F2P aspect (the bad one you see from companies like EA) is starting to rear its ugly head , as much as people like to say “just go to another city” thats even more loading screen time i didnt have to deal with , and im still trying to grasp where ppl think running around in LA was slower then dealing with a loading screen , cause ive never seen that….pop swiftness , dont be a kitten and ignore obvious short cuts , and it was FAR faster then the loading screens. This is a cash grab people , get over it.

You know what, fine, it’s a cash grab. Unfortunately for them it’s a really weak one. I mean they’re giving away access to the place for free just for playing the game. And most of the people who play the game don’t need to use every single little thing that existed in LA and are still not buying the ticket.

See a real cash grab, that’s when you remove crafting or the mystic fountain from the game and force people to pay to use it at all. This isn’t that.

weak one or not , the very moment one is allowed to set root , more will follow , far worse ones. cull the weeds before they spread.

Enundr.9305:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Enundr.9305:

Mirta.5029:

Carzor Stelatis.9435:

You now have to pay waypoint costs, whereas you didn’t before (openworld -> WvW = free, Asura gate from WvW -> LA = free).

Vigil’s keep -> mystic forge -> asura gate to Rata Sum. You can repeat the process in reverse too. No costs for anything. Also Vigil’s keep -> WvW free and WvW -> character select -> vigil’s keep free

yes cause i totally want to spend most of my time in the loading screen rather then doing stuff in the game ;-)

Could you walk us through a typical day in Lion’s Arch so we can understand why you apparently need to use all the features that existed in that one place that no longer do?

lets see i ran around on my necro , go to the artificing station , run to the cooking station , run to mystic forge , run to TP after selling a bunch of junk , see where this is going? cant exactly do that in our “temporary” place in vigil keep , loading screen would take alot longer then all of that as no other city has a mystic forge (unless there was a ninja update that put them in all the cities)

and dont know about you but id rather not spend most of the time in a loading screen , i tend not to be able to get stuff done in it when i can just pop swiftness between the longer paths when i was in LA ;-P

No, I don’t. Why did you go to the forge after the artificing and cooking? What were you forging and why? Why did these two things have to be accessible at the same time?

It takes me ten seconds to load from one zone to another, so I don’t spend all that much time loading.

Enundr.9305:

so wheres your relavence between living story and cash grabs being set in? ;-P

LA is destroyed completely. It’s nice for them to move the services out of it to begin with. They could have just restricted our access to the mystic forge for a few months.

As for the cash grab – it’s not really a cash grab if you can do everything without the airship for free and it’s not really a cash grab when the airship passes are dropping let and right.

All these discussions are sidetracking us from the core reason this topic was begun. Nobody is arguing that they should have not taken away LA. This is a fresh new change to the world and it brings a new dynamic that people have to adapt to. This discussion is about the air ship replacement that costs gems. Do you not see that taking something away from the game that is free and replacing it with something that (Potentially) costs money is a bad road to start down?

Also, the people arguing that you can do the same thing in other cities, your argument is null and void. It has nothing to do with this topic. If Arena Net thought that people could do everything they wanted in other cities, WHY would they release a new place for all your needs that costs money?

Enundr.9305:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Enundr.9305:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

This shouldn’t be surprising to anyone, they’ve done it before and they’ll keep doing it more and more because as you can see people love being taken advantage of.

This is why you should always play games with a sub if you can. They don’t charge you for convenience, they put it right in the game. They don’t charge you for new armor, they put it right in the game. Content is permanent in sub games because you pay a sub for it. You get expansions because they don’t need to waste all their development making cash grabs because you pay a steady fee. P2P games will always be better than F2P games.

your right about most of it , the P2P always being better is always up in the air , this game was good but now that were seeing cash grabs the F2P aspect (the bad one you see from companies like EA) is starting to rear its ugly head , as much as people like to say “just go to another city” thats even more loading screen time i didnt have to deal with , and im still trying to grasp where ppl think running around in LA was slower then dealing with a loading screen , cause ive never seen that….pop swiftness , dont be a kitten and ignore obvious short cuts , and it was FAR faster then the loading screens. This is a cash grab people , get over it.

You know what, fine, it’s a cash grab. Unfortunately for them it’s a really weak one. I mean they’re giving away access to the place for free just for playing the game. And most of the people who play the game don’t need to use every single little thing that existed in LA and are still not buying the ticket.

See a real cash grab, that’s when you remove crafting or the mystic fountain from the game and force people to pay to use it at all. This isn’t that.

weak one or not , the very moment one is allowed to set root , more will follow , far worse ones. cull the weeds before they spread.

I didn’t realize we actually had any power to dictate terms to them in what they can and cannot put into their game.

The best you can do is boycott tickets. I know I’ve never bought one and never will. If it matters so much to you then I recommend the same.

DoctorToxn.4925:

All these discussions are sidetracking us from the core reason this topic was begun. Nobody is arguing that they should have not taken away LA. This is a fresh new change to the world and it brings a new dynamic that people have to adapt to. This discussion is about the air ship replacement that costs gems. Do you not see that taking something away from the game that is free and replacing it with something that (Potentially) costs money is a bad road to start down?

Also, the people arguing that you can do the same thing in other cities, your argument is null and void. It has nothing to do with this topic. If Arena Net thought that people could do everything they wanted in other cities, WHY would they release a new place for all your needs that costs money?

No, you’re the one that isn’t following the discussion.

Nothing in the game was removed. Not a single service in the game is gated behind a requirement to pay. Every single service that existed in LA still exists in the game for free.

That is the real true point that makes this a completely worthless and pointless thread. Nothing was lost. Nothing is being forced on anyone.