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I think she either wants to make her own dragon or to control one through means other than what Snaff was trying.

CC Danicia.1394:

We’re having a good time reading the speculation on this. /innocent

Certainly I don’t expect any response on this, but your comments about your entertainment at this thread leads me to believe that we’re all pretty much wrong.

Kriknav.9268:

CC Danicia.1394:

We’re having a good time reading the speculation on this. /innocent

Certainly I don’t expect any response on this, but your comments about your entertainment at this thread leads me to believe that we’re all pretty much wrong.

or they’re like “eeep! they noticed! i’m so proud of our community!”

BrunoBRS.5178:

Kriknav.9268:

CC Danicia.1394:

We’re having a good time reading the speculation on this. /innocent

Certainly I don’t expect any response on this, but your comments about your entertainment at this thread leads me to believe that we’re all pretty much wrong.

or they’re like “eeep! they noticed! i’m so proud of our community!”

While I hope you’re right (cause some of these theories would be awesome to have in-game), I still believe the former is probably more accurate.

I wonder whether it’s showing a plan for her forces, or her prediction of the dragons’ plans?

We already know that one elder dragon was drawn toward Lion’s Arch (already dealt with, of course, so no need for a big arrow from the south). Maybe LA is sitting on top of a giant pile of magic or something. Or maybe dragons just really don’t like pirates. Dragons being an allegory for the MPAA, RIAA, and large content companies, obviously.

perilisk.1874:

Maybe LA is sitting on top of a giant pile of magic or something.

Lion’s Arch is sitting right on top of the Depths of Tyria.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Depths_of_tyria
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Beneath_Lion%27s_Arch

I think the dragon is sleeping under all of tyria, from the reactor to ascalon. And the pinpoints she has sort of outlines the shape of its body.

I think there is are some pictures missing from this discussion so far (below).
In my opinion in picture 1 on the left on the table shows that scarlet is indeed searching for something (i think physical) underground.

Also i like the picture lying under the table because it is somehow giving off this sense of dread. It could be a cave/opening or it could be a maw.?
Generally black does not seem to be a good color. Dark vortex in the middle of the writing-spiral anyone? also red seems to confront black on some pictures.

I think there is something to be found if we look at all of scarlets pictures, so here are my thoughts on them:
First there is the (pale) tree strangled by Scarlets red vines (see ‘what scarlet saw’/her dream) although it seems strange to me that the pale tree would be painted as a palm-tree.

Then there is the picture that just looks like scramble but if you look closer the red scrambles are again thorns and the black things look like blood oozing from whatever is stung by the thorns. i wonder why this one exists and if there is more to it.

The eye the red eye in darkness. Now she talks about this in the journal and i think the abyss and the power within was why she wanted to look behind reality, because she wanted to find out what that power is and after she found out (still inside the dream) she changed her name and her ‘color’ to red. So basically what this makes me think is ‘red eye => scarlet’ = she adopted the color/thinking of whatever looms in the darkness and now does its bidding, which turned her against the pale tree.

But what does this mean, is she now a slave of primordius? is she maybe not searching for him but maybe for the roots of the pale tree, which in my thinking could stretch across the whole globe (as the pale tree is a kind of life-tree/mana-tree) and maybe strangle primordius?

I kind of do not want to subscribe to that theory because scarlet to me always seemed more like the “i need to do this to stop something bad (there is no other way) even if it means killing millions of ppl” kind of guy and serving someone just does not seem like her style, but there is something more disturbing that i found while looking around for more subtle hints:

Warning:
Now this could be complete ‘bs’ but i can not unsee it. It could be a coincidence and i could totally waste your time but if you are willing to bare with me look at picture 3 the ‘dragon’ looks very odd to me in the middle, almost broken, not like a real dragon, to me it looks like the top half is something else something with 2 hands that looks kind of humanoid and also the whole painting is in red, not that red has to mean scarlet but i grew fond of that idea.

Maybe scarlet found out the pale tree is a dragon and turned the minion-master link around and enslaved it (symbolized by entangling it with red vines) which means she now has the power of a dragon/is a half dragon. This would explain why the pale tree did not ask us for help or tell us about scarlet yet.

Ok it is much to late and 90% of what is up there probably does not make sense or does not mean anything but i just thought let’s be a little creative and show it to ppl and let them figure out if anything and what it means… ^^

Still rooting for Abaddon to be the source of her madness and the thing staring back at her through the void.

After all if Anet almost had an Abaddon fractal, they probably already have all the assets for him and got some story link for him to GW2…somewhere.

Also his spheres were that of magic and knowledge, so it kinda fits.

As for Lion’s Arch being a target…well it already was during her invasion at the Queen’s Jubilee. So aren’t all those screens from Scarlet’s console just images of her plans that have already been put in motion?

All the dots all over the map of Tyria = Energy probe locations
The arrows pointing towards what seems to be LA = Queen’s Jubilee attack

The rest are her plans for her aethercannon and Marionette…not too sure what the vandalised palm tree crayon drawing is supposed to be though. If Scarlet was like a certain real-world human race I’d say it depicts her self-loathing for being a plant. Not very mensch of her nonetheless.

Shadoekin.3928:

Still rooting for Abaddon to be the source of her madness and the thing staring back at her through the void.

After all if Anet almost had an Abaddon fractal, they probably already have all the assets for him and got some story link for him to GW2…somewhere.

Also his spheres were that of magic and knowledge, so it kinda fits.

1- abaddon is dead. not banished, not hiding, dead. i, and millions of others, made sure of it.

2- the abaddon fractal was going to take place far, far before GW1’s playable time, all the way back when abaddon was defeated and sealed by the other 5 human gods. there is no way that anything related to scarlet could be related to that fractal.

3- they didn’t start working on the fractal until the voting was over. they didn’t have any assets lying around.

BrunoBRS.5178:

1- abaddon is dead. not banished, not hiding, dead. i, and millions of others, made sure of it.

2- the abaddon fractal was going to take place far, far before GW1’s playable time, all the way back when abaddon was defeated and sealed by the other 5 human gods. there is no way that anything related to scarlet could be related to that fractal.

3- they didn’t start working on the fractal until the voting was over. they didn’t have any assets lying around.

How sure are you that Abaddon is dead? All we know is that Kormir took his place, just like Grenth took Dhuum’s place. Death is a finite condition which I’m not sure can be applied to them, otherwise Dhuum, Menzies and Abaddon would have been dispatched even before we’d need to encounter them in GW1.

Edit:

Come to think of it, even us players can’t really die. In both GW1 and GW2 we can get resurected. In Prophecies I killed the Lich, in Factions I killed Shiro, in Nightfall they came back. Then we also know that bad people who died became Envoys of the dead. The whole idea of the Eternal Battleground is one where heroes go and fight eternally.

So really, can anything truly “die” in the GW universe?

BrunoBRS.5178:

1- abaddon is dead. not banished, not hiding, dead. i, and millions of others, made sure of it.

Are you sure? I heard Kormir did it…

Mikuchan.7261:

BrunoBRS.5178:

1- abaddon is dead. not banished, not hiding, dead. i, and millions of others, made sure of it.

Are you sure? I heard Kormir did it…

we made sure that Kormir did it. happy? >______________________>

The devs have stated unequivocally that Abaddon is dead.

That said, who’s to say that the whispers of a dead god could not still echo through the Dream/Mists and inspire one who heard them to madness and attempt to resurrect the god? (Luring an Elder Dragon to a specially prepared spot and killing it might provide enough magical energy to accomplish such a task.)

Shadoekin.3928:

BrunoBRS.5178:

1- abaddon is dead. not banished, not hiding, dead. i, and millions of others, made sure of it.

2- the abaddon fractal was going to take place far, far before GW1’s playable time, all the way back when abaddon was defeated and sealed by the other 5 human gods. there is no way that anything related to scarlet could be related to that fractal.

3- they didn’t start working on the fractal until the voting was over. they didn’t have any assets lying around.

How sure are you that Abaddon is dead? All we know is that Kormir took his place, just like Grenth took Dhuum’s place. Death is a finite condition which I’m not sure can be applied to them, otherwise Dhuum, Menzies and Abaddon would have been dispatched even before we’d need to encounter them in GW1.

Edit:

Come to think of it, even us players can’t really die. In both GW1 and GW2 we can get resurected. In Prophecies I killed the Lich, in Factions I killed Shiro, in Nightfall they came back. Then we also know that bad people who died became Envoys of the dead. The whole idea of the Eternal Battleground is one where heroes go and fight eternally.

So really, can anything truly “die” in the GW universe?

players can’t die canonically. every time you screw up and die, that’s non-canon.

and abaddon is dead. erased from existence by our own hands. he didn’t need killing when he was stuck in his own realm. but he insisted in screwing up with the other realms, so we interfered, Kormir absorbed his powers (or some shenanigan like that) and ascended to godhood. her existence is proof of his permanent, unequivocal, unavoidable, irreversible death.

Shadoekin.3928:

not too sure what the vandalised palm tree crayon drawing is supposed to be though. If Scarlet was like a certain real-world human race I’d say it depicts her self-loathing for being a plant. Not very mensch of her nonetheless.

It’s a call back to the short story from last year. It’s an image of the Pale Tree being strangled by a red, thorny vine. Essentially a vision Scarlet had of her attacking the Pale Tree.

BrunoBRS.5178:

and abaddon is dead. erased from existence by our own hands. he didn’t need killing when he was stuck in his own realm. but he insisted in screwing up with the other realms, so we interfered, Kormir absorbed his powers (or some shenanigan like that) and ascended to godhood. her existence is proof of his permanent, unequivocal, unavoidable, irreversible death.

That’s exactly what Grenth did, but Dhuum never went poof…he just goes back to sleep whenever defeated.

More importantly, there is a lot we don’t know about the relationship (if any) between the earlier gods and the elder dragons.

From information in GW1, we know that Abaddon himself got his power from an even older source which could mean the dragons. He then gave magic to the races of Tyria. Dhuum also has a hate for all things undead, which obviously brings him into conflict with Zhaitan.

In GW2, we know that the older races fought with the elder dragons, but we also know that the Forgotten and the Dwarves were only established 7000 years after the first approximate awakening. Humans appeared in Cantha 1000 years later, and a further 500 years later in Tyria.

We also know that Dwayna, Balthazar, Grenth, and Lyssa walked in Arah, so did they ever actually fight the elder dragons. If they didn’t, did the older gods of Abaddon and Dhuum fight them?

Did Abaddon and Dhuum, being the gods present during the reign of the elder dragons, aid the 5 older races in their survival? During that desperate time, it would be more understandable for the necessity of their harsher teachings. Then after the dragons went to sleep, the newer gods deposed of them…and then fled during the exodus.

We also know that the newer gods “came” to Tyria, and thus were not indigenous, perhaps the elder dragons and the older gods are.

It’s because of all these details/questions that I am unable to so easily dismiss Abaddon’s involvement in the current story of GW2, or to believe that he is truly dead. But I’m obviously not expecting to have him walking around Arah again either.

Of coz we have no idea when Dhuum was deposed and there is not much other information abt him and Abaddon, so they might not be any older than the rest (since the gods could have arrived anytime before 786 BE).

inazuma.7021:

Shadoekin.3928:

not too sure what the vandalised palm tree crayon drawing is supposed to be though. If Scarlet was like a certain real-world human race I’d say it depicts her self-loathing for being a plant. Not very mensch of her nonetheless.

It’s a call back to the short story from last year. It’s an image of the Pale Tree being strangled by a red, thorny vine. Essentially a vision Scarlet had of her attacking the Pale Tree.

Oh good point. I think the image of the Palm Tree threw me off…oh wait PALM and PALE…I get it now….Scarlet was so mad she tipped the ‘E’ over and it became an ‘M’.

It could be a water dragon, in the picture that dragon doesnt have any legs

What? No fanfic lying around in her lair?

I don’t think she’s trying to kill the dragons at all. I don’t think she wants them to be killed.
If Scarlet is targeting Lions Arch, and the three Orders—it looks like she’s trying to weaken or destroy the Pact.

Her Aetherblades attacked Lion’s Arch during dragon bash, and she attacked the human kingdom just as they sought to celebrate their power. She is distracting people’s focus away from the dragons, onto herself. And whenever people try to celebrate their resistance against the dragons, she comes in and crushes their morale.

At the same time, she is gathering all power and technology to herself. She is trying to weaken Tyria so much that nobody—except for her—stands a chance against the dragons. Because she doesn’t want them dead.

The dragons are tied into the world’s magic. She wants to use the dragons for something, and she needs them alive for it. Alive, and under her control.

from all the evidence, i would say that she is gunna attack and destroy all of the orders HQs, ending them, killing their leaders, while simultaneously invading lions arch and drilling a giant hole down to the dragon that keeps calling out to her. freeing it. Since she destroyed the HQs of the orders, there’s no one to really combat this new dragon master of hers that she just freed. as well as the asura gate hub in lions arch will be destroyed so any reinforcements to stop her wouldn’t be able to get there, and travel between the racial cities would be stalled for a while which gives scarlet time to do, well whatever she is gonna do next, that is if she doesn’t die somehow, which i think she will die, probably killed instantly by the dragon, having only used her as a pawn, or perhaps corrupted into a evil disgusting monstrosity from the dragons minion, and we’ll have to kill it to get revenge since the dragon will already be free, and LA would be ruins, and the orders will have been dismantled so why the heck not.
The way tyria will be changed forever by this is that Lions arch, will be gone forever, and travel between the cities will no longer by via lions arch, also all of the orders that fought against the dragons, that defeated zhaitan, will have been ended as well.
The logical sense for the developers to get rid of the orders is so that the living story can mesh better with the personal story. Early in the living story, everyone was a little upset that all the decisions they made in the personal story, especially their order and etc. stuff didnt really matter or even get mentioned in the living story.
Obviously it would be labor-intensive for Anet to make dialogue for every option possible having been done in the personal story to be shown or mentioned in the living story as well, so theyre gunna just get rid of them, so there is a reason to never mention it.
Also this is why we are seeing a grouping of new characters as well, instead of destinies edge. Destinies edge knows us from personal story and the stuff we did with our racial hero, its weird to tlak to them and for them to not realy know us anymore even though we fought together, so theyre being replaced too, well not entirely replaced since Anet said this new crew is not destinies edge 2.0, but pretty much its their mechanism to get rid of the original destinies edge. This also allows them more freedom for who will be involved in the offense against the dragons and foes to come in the future of the living story.
The logical sense to get rid of lions arch would be to sattiate the population sinks in the cities, everyone hangs out in lions arch so getting rid of it would spread people at least mostly to divinities reach (lets be real). Theyll prolly think of some other mechanism to further spread players out from DA into the other cities as well. This gives new players the impression that the low populations they experience in level up zones is not server-wide, when they see the many people hanging out in the cities they have to go to for their personal story missions.
Anyway, this is my speculation

Oh yeah, I think the probes were NOT to suck energy out of the earth or dragon energy out of the ground or magic or anything, i think they were jsut simply hammers pounding the ground.
A schematic in her lair shows a thumber pounding, and waves coming off it going into the ground, bouncing off of something, and coming back and hitting the thumper.
I think she is using them to find something under ground.
the dragon that keeps calling to scarlet.
postscript: (because for some reason the abbreviation gets censored, as well as “her”) its under Lions Arch

The first preview of this showed Lion’s Arch’s gates busted. Not really news, but it backs up what we saw.

Edit: Gotta love the rockets tied to the dolyak.

If Anet plays his cards right, and one (maybe both?) of the fore-mentioned Dragons are involved, we may be part of an event worthy of the annals of MMO history, like WoW’s Cataclysm.

I don’t think it will happen in this arc, but someone’s insane idea of two Elder Dragons fighting, done right, could be even bigger than EQ’s The Sleeper.

Hope GW2 producers get crazy and give us something even more mindblowing than everything they have done so far. This game has implemented many things no other MMORPG ever did, but they can do more… maybe something “a la” Game of Thrones? (and i don’t mean naked characters everywhere).

(excuse my english, not my first language.)

Calling it now, Scarlet is actually preparing an attack against an Elder Dragon, not against us. Not against the orders, and not against Lion’s Arch. I think she has used the thumpers to locate underground tunnels, and has pinpointed her target… who just so happens to be sitting deep underneath Lion’s Arch. But her beef isn’t with us, OR with the Pale Tree.

The drawing of the tree strangled by red vines looks more like the tower of madness btw.

And also Abaddon is dead. As Konig said: Dead, dead, dead, dead, DEAD. D.E.A.D! He is gone! He has ceased to be! He is pushing up the daisies! He has shuffled off his mortal coil! Bereft of life, he rests in peace! He is no more! I defeated him myself. There is no more Abaddon.

She wants the Orders gone so that she wont be hindered when she awakens and tries to kill an Elder Dragon. She may or may not fail, but Tyria would be changed regardless.

Meh, i think she is planning to drill down to uproot a certain floral dragon.

The 4 arrows seems to line up nicely with 4 dragons besieging LA and he orders.

digiowl.9620:

Meh, i think she is planning to drill down to uproot a certain floral dragon.

The 4 arrows seems to line up nicely with 4 dragons besieging LA and he orders.

It’s more likely to be Primordus if that’s your theory, as that is the elder dragon residing deep under LA.

If that is true, would that mean an expansion is in the works? Dwarves to be a playable race, freed from their eternal fight against it’s minions?

Shadoekin.3928:

Still rooting for Abaddon to be the source of her madness and the thing staring back at her through the void.

After all if Anet almost had an Abaddon fractal, they probably already have all the assets for him and got some story link for him to GW2…somewhere.

Also his spheres were that of magic and knowledge, so it kinda fits.

…………….

.. after my own heart.

I feel the same way about it. And it would be such an awesome redemption of the entire living story that I would give them a pass on all that led up to it.

I know, I know .. everyone says it’s impossible, or just too cool to happen, yet I don’t believe that to be set in stone. Good writers can always find an interesting way to turn things around, some clever ‘out’. Scarlett saw ‘something’ .. and I cannot believe that a dragon, no matter how powerful, would cause her to go off the rails like she has, it speaks of something more powerful, soul destroying to do that. At least that is what it seems to me.

After all .. I took out Shiro twice, after ‘killing’ him fo’ sho’ the first time … and the same with the Lich. Defo killed him and yet .. there he was again and in a particularly foul mood from our previous meeting. So, I hold out hope that this could actually be. I can STILL dream. lol

Sarie.1630:

Loving the combination on the chart for an alliance between Centaur and Quaggan.

The Aquatic Equestrian Alliance maybe?

Shame that never worked out.

She was probably thinking about starting the world’s best water polo team.

To the point of this thread – Im really enjoying this update and feel like it is progressing the story well.

Regardless of where it goes, great job Anet making me feel invested in the story and getting me to care about the direction it takes. Very well done.

CC Danicia.1394:

We’re having a good time reading the speculation on this. /innocent

Guys, I’m really excited. As I finally finished my exam period I will finally come home tomorrow and get to play my beloved game. I just hope this Hype for LS conclusion is really as much great as you say!!! I ’m pretty sure you made some epic cinematic again

When the map is zoomed out you can also see alot of unexplored territory which is revealed to the west of the big purple scar thingy. Also where are those islands because I cannot find them on my map

Sarie.1630:

Loving the combination on the chart for an alliance between Centaur and Quaggan.

The Aquatic Equestrian Alliance maybe?

Shame that never worked out.

Now how am I supposed to use this Harpoon gun of Centaur slaying that I just got!

I’m a little surprised that no one has considered that Scarlet is Mordremoth’s Lieutenant/Champion?

Think back to Svanir (the original). He wasn’t corrupted against his will, he reached out to the power dormant under the lake (it was a Claw of Jormag I believe). Scarlet’s back story makes sense in this context.

The pale tree took an aggressive stance towards Zhaitan, with the very first Sylvari being leader of the Pact and leading the fight against that dragon.

A jungle dragon (residing in the same neighborhood no less) would doubtlessly see the Sylvari as the greatest threat; especially since they are resistant to direct corruption. It would make a lot of sense that this dragon is the source of the Nightmare, perhaps if the Sylvari were completely removed from the Pale Tree they would be corruptible.

There is Scarlet’s dream of the tree being attacked and bled by red thorns (scarlet briar, by name).

The pure speculation is what is Scarlet attempting. As pointed out in this thread, the dragons are not friendly on any terms. Mordremoth has no confirmed presence on the surface of Tyria, nor seems to have an area under his control with armies of minions like the other dragons have. That means he was either last to awaken or at least has had the least amount of access to magical items to feed off of.

I think Scarlet, on Mordremoth’s orders; is attempting to use Primordus (and his minions) as a cat’s paw to attack the primary sources of resistance. Since the Pact’s orders and the Lion’s Guard are the 4 organizations with international reach; they would react strongly if he were to attack the Pale Tree directly.
If those forces were heavily distracted, Mordremoth could attack the Pale Tree freely.

This would make Trahearne need to abadon his post to defend his homeland, which would effectively dissolve the Pact. The Tyrian forces would be scattered, leaderless, missing 1/5th of their troops and under-siege.

Even if the remnants somehow drive off or even defeat Primordus, Mordremoth can wreck the Pale Tree; opening the Sylvari (doubtlessly the Nightmare Court first) to corruption and setup his own operating area.

As a bonus, I predict that his “operating base” will be Majesty’s Rest since it’s an established focal point of magical energy (and with many ageless, magical artifacts in the tomb).

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Calling it now, Scarlet is actually preparing an attack against an Elder Dragon, not against us. Not against the orders, and not against Lion’s Arch. I think she has used the thumpers to locate underground tunnels, and has pinpointed her target… who just so happens to be sitting deep underneath Lion’s Arch. But her beef isn’t with us, OR with the Pale Tree.

Been following your passion for this outcome MQM, and it is by far my favorite theory. I think it would be interesting and completely unexpected (except by you :p).

Cierdwyn.4675:

and I cannot believe that a dragon, no matter how powerful, would cause her to go off the rails like she has, it speaks of something more powerful, soul destroying to do that.

Lets clarify one thing here. The Elder Dragons are vastly more powerful than anything on Tyria. Perhaps even strong enough to rival the Gods, or perhaps more powerful than them. In other words: There is nothing more powerful than the Elder Dragons that we know of. Gods included.

Gnat.9405:

Been following your passion for this outcome MQM, and it is by far my favorite theory. I think it would be interesting and completely unexpected (except by you :p).

Why thank you darling. But we’ll just have to wait and see. I’ve been wrong before.

Without reading all the posts (so probably already suggested), and only reading this:

This is the first time players get to see a little bit of the history behind Scarlet and tells the back story of how she looked into the eternal alchemy, and saw something looking back at her,” Mike explained in a typically excited fashion.

“This malevolent being out there was so powerful that it started taking over her mind and giving her suggestions in terms of what she should be doing and things like that. There is a big point here, in terms of the battle between Scarlet’s free will versus this creature’s and you’ll see her transformation.

from this article I wonder if its not a dragon as people have said, but really Lazarious the Dire thats messing with her. We know he’s still alive (or kind of anyways), and the Mursaat were in some out of phase state so maybe from there he (or the other Mursaat) can interact with her ‘spirit body’/whatever it was she was in the machine the Asura guy created in the short story thing.

skullmount.1758:

from this article I wonder if its not a dragon as people have said, but really Lazarious the Dire thats messing with her. We know he’s still alive (or kind of anyways), and the Mursaat were in some out of phase state so maybe from there he (or the other Mursaat) can interact with her ‘spirit body’/whatever it was she was in the machine the Asura guy created in the short story thing.

Interesting notion. No hints have been dropped towards the Mursaat so far. So if this turned out to be the case, it would be a really sudden twist.

However, she has said that the dragons are real and should be feared. This still points a lot to dragons. She also hints at something below the surface, and has a giant drill…. why would the Mursaat be underground?

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

skullmount.1758:

from this article I wonder if its not a dragon as people have said, but really Lazarious the Dire thats messing with her. We know he’s still alive (or kind of anyways), and the Mursaat were in some out of phase state so maybe from there he (or the other Mursaat) can interact with her ‘spirit body’/whatever it was she was in the machine the Asura guy created in the short story thing.

Interesting notion. No hints have been dropped towards the Mursaat so far. So if this turned out to be the case, it would be a really sudden twist.

However, she has said that the dragons are real and should be feared. This still points a lot to dragons. She also hints at something below the surface, and has a giant drill…. why would the Mursaat be underground?

ehh, I don’t know. Just wild speculation. Still haven’t visited her hideout yet, let alone read the journal (or anything speculated in this thread). So if there is stuff about dragons in her hideout, my theory is most definitely bunked.

Video is also in my signature for a close up of the maps

I’m telling you, she saw Lazarus and he warped her mind (or even occupies it currently). Dragon corruption is too easy answer since all signs point to it.

actually if i think back and read my rambling of last night i think love the theory started in the end.

we know there is a jungle dragon somewhere, we know the pale tree is a great magical being, we know it bore the sylvari about 50 years ago and we know it is 250 years old (so it is not the elder dragon).

what if the pale tree grew on the elder jungle dragon and is feeding on it, when it became sentient it felt what was slumbering beneath it and decided to fight the elder dragons, suppressing this one and sending out the sylvari to fight the others. Now the dragon of course did not like that and fought back but because he was too weak to do anything physically (and also caught in the trees strangling grip) he had to do it by infiltrating the linked consciousness of the pale tree and sylvari the dream of dreams and therefore the nightmare was born. So while one is draining the other the tree and the dragon are interlocked in mental combat while their offspring are also fighting.

This is when Scarlet enters the picture, she is a very promising powerful and intelligent sylvari and as the dragon realizes this it tries to absorb her into the nightmare. Scarlet worried by the influence she felt and the nightmares started to investigate and at the peak of it detached her mind from her body and looked behind reality. In the metaphysical world she found the pale tree and saw the scarlet thorns (the dragon fighting the tree). Not willing to bend her will to either (the tree or the dragon) she just took whatever power she could from the dragon and left.

Knowing everything about dragon and tree now she tries to profit from it letting them battle it out while she leeches their power, also knowing all the connections now she probably knows what will happen and if the dragons are essential to the world or if they can be killed. I don’t know what the plan is but i guess she wants another conflict like the tree dragon one she can profit from.

(also ‘What Scarlet Saw’ was a great story and i can just recommend all of you read it or if you don’t want to read it find a youtuber that reads it for you)

I think we saw a new side to Scarlett, she’s just a (very smart) puppet, for something lurking in the shadows. My suspicion is that the map shows attack arrows on the 3 known order headquarters, so presumably the 4th unknown order must be the Zaishen order.

Lionguard at Fort Marriner, I’d figure. Zaishen aren’t that influential anymore.

aspirine.6852:

VOLKON.1290:

Hey! HEY! Look at the fourth image. Look at it again. Look at it carefully.

Yes… it’s true…

FLYING DOLYAK MOUNTS confirmed!

Well it would speed up supplies in keeps a bit

Patch notes: Flying dolyak mounts are no longer usable in WvW. Flying dolyaks no longer spawn at camps.

CC Danicia.1394:

We’re having a good time reading the speculation on this. /innocent

Evil Danicia (^.^’)

Abbadon’s fractal could have had any kind of information about the dragons or about Tyria, because Abbadon was the God of Secrets. When Kormir became the Goddess of Truth, she literally consumed all his knowledge, and she exclaimed: “All that knowledge!” Of course, we don’t know what ArenaNet had planned to put in there.

Scarlet herself seems to have her mind corrupted by something, probably a dragon. In the end she seems to have succumbed to the madness of this power to some extend.

I don’t believe that the pale tree is powerful enough to withstand the power of a dragon, however.

The dragon being Tequatl, could be interesting as a theory, as I still don’t think we have seen the end of the Risen. And Tequatl is simply becoming the new Zaithan. Or a dead Zaithan is actually stronger than a alive Zaithan. Or something like that. In the case of Abbadon, Kormir actually took Abbadon’s power, and thus ending Abbadon. But with Zaithan we shoot him to bits, but I wonder where all that residual magical energy went, because there wasn’t a great magical explosion of any kind. So I find this very suspicious, since we also had an update where Tequatl grows stronger for some reason, but we didn’t particularly gained an explanation for it.
I actually don’t know if the whole story takes place after killing Zaithan, or before, or during our campaign.

Then again, Rox took his tailpiece, and said everyone else smashed the rest of the dragon. (yet he comes back every so often, but I’ll let that be a gameplay thing for now. xD) I dunno, it’s all very confusing.

VOLKON.1290:

Hey! HEY! Look at the fourth image. Look at it again. Look at it carefully.

Yes… it’s true…

FLYING DOLYAK MOUNTS confirmed!

That isn’t a flying dolyak, it’s a rocket goat.

Somehow I don’t see them destroying the capital social hub LA just to have a giant dragon emerge from underneath it. Maybe just make a new dungeon where we crawl down some catacombs looking for something.