Guild Wars 2

agam.8075:

1. Burst skills should’ve blown adrenaline on a whiff since day 1.

2. Hit detection on projectiles is very wonky across whole game, not just warrior lb

2. Anet fixed it by making a trait. Its called Read the Wind and given to rangers only LOL.

Why are we pretending that adrenaline is in any way difficult to build up in the first place? This change is good and was needed and op is being over dramatic. Learn to use your skills with more discipline like everyyone else already does. You lose both the adrenaline and get the cooldown due to the fact that the cooldown is nowhere near high enough to justify the power of the burst skills. Simple really. /thread.

iSpook.5612:

wow there were two terrible responses to me.

I guess there are a lot of LB / rifle warriors out there….I don’t think I have ever seen one.

and still my main point that no one can dispute. Just give it up. If you think the warrior nerf is ok, just argue that point. Please don’t try to argue that a Mesmer has two punishment to use clones. The shatter has a cooldown and the skill that makes the clone has a cooldown. Im trying to relate to you that by your argument, the Mesmer should have a build up bar before he can release a clone. Do you think that’s fair?

The warrior will be the first character that will be punished twice for the same mistake. He will lose the power build AND have the cooldown. I don’t know why ppl don’t get that. If you think that is fair, FINE. But please don’t try to explain to me that other charactors face that problem too. All skills and build up skills just have a cooldown EXCEPT the warrior will now lose everything AND a cooldown.

I think it needs to be pointed out (maybe it was already and I overlooked it) that after whiffing and losing all adrenaline you have a cooldown that runs at the same time as your adrenaline regen. If the CD is 10 seconds and you don’t attain full adrenaline for 14 seconds the CD was irrelevant. The reverse is also true.

Its not really a double punishment if they run at the same time. Its not like you have to wait for the CD to be over to begin regening adrenaline.

Now after we have fixed the brainless use of F1 skills can we please make it so you cant use all stances at the same time?

Mayama.1854:

Now after we have fixed the brainless use of F1 skills can we please make it so you cant use all stances at the same time?

why not? let them enjoy their 5 seconds of invulnerability and then absolutely no defense whatsoever for the next 60.

warriors that burn all stances at once are easy prey.

BrunoBRS.5178:

Mayama.1854:

Now after we have fixed the brainless use of F1 skills can we please make it so you cant use all stances at the same time?

why not? let them enjoy their 5 seconds of invulnerability and then absolutely no defense whatsoever for the next 60.

warriors that burn all stances at once are easy prey.

Warriors that rely on stances at all is easy prey

I like the upcoming changes for a warrior! Finally something that makes warrior gameplay require some timing and strategy! Honestly can’t wait for the rage of the people who can’t play the warrior as “easy mode” now, ahahah (it’s quite fast to master still but honestly… there are so many players that don’t know meaning of timing in this game)

One thing about this change makes me feel odd though..

Since now warrios will lose their adrenaline if they miss – what about thieves that can spam backstab until they hit without any kind of punishment in stealth?

jakakettu.9083:

I like the upcoming changes for a warrior! Finally something that makes warrior gameplay require some timing and strategy! Honestly can’t wait for the rage of the people who can’t play the warrior as “easy mode” now, ahahah (it’s quite fast to master still but honestly… there are so many players that don’t know meaning of timing in this game)

One thing about this change makes me feel odd though..

Since now warrios will lose their adrenaline if they miss – what about thieves that can spam backstab until they hit without any kind of punishment in stealth?

give them revealed on block. i think it’s fair.

i don’t imagine my fellow thief friends will agree with me though…

but what you call “spamming backstab”, i wouldn’t change that. it’s a single target skill with really short range and no homing. “spamming” to precast it before a teleport is key to the thief playstyle and, i’d argue, not brainless at all.

well.. yeah the spamming might be wrong choice of word. But I agree with you, also blind should also cause backstab to miss and then reveal the thief.

Mayama.1854:

Now after we have fixed the brainless use of F1 skills can we please make it so you cant use all stances at the same time?

That is not a reasonable suggestion. They have a solid cooldown on them and certainly fit the tank expectations of a tanky, heavy armor archetype. Unlike their mobility build.

If getting out played is a problem… Then don’t get out played? Or go back to PvE.

Everyone knew low risk crap would be nerfed eventually. If you can’t take it you should have not been running things that carry you, as opposed to things that challenge you. PU Mesmers will always be worse than shatter in terms of active/reactionary skill level.

No one is going to convince you otherwise that the change is fair even with overwhelming opinions and evidence. You just have to adapt, I have no doubt this change will affect warriors but I think it’ll breed better warriors, and you can be one of them.

dancingmonkey.4902:

iSpook.5612:

when did cooldowns become trivial? I’m pretty sure all cooldowns aren’t fun.

I just think people would have a different perspective if thiefs had to build upto a steal, rangers had to build up to a pet skill, guardians had to build up to agies, ele had to build up before changing atunements etc (all these things are just cooldowns, not two hoops to jump through)

im just saying this is going to be pretty rough on warriors

Well if you would rather have cooldowns instead of building up a resource, I can tell you I am absolutely all for a 30s-60s ICD on cleansing ire. That would put it on par with the other professions ICD on traits to remove conditions. Purity, Absolute resolution, Transmute, and what not.

Purity is 1 condition on a 10s CD. Transmute is 1 condition on a 15s CD.

If you think that Cleansing Ire should be 30s or kitten just because it removes up to 3 conditions, you’re nuts. The difference between Cleansing Ire and Absolute Resolution is that the latter is only triggered when you want to trigger it. Triggering Virtue of Resolve isn’t anything like using a Burst skill on a warrior, so don’t compare the two like they were the same thing.

Spoiler: Warriors use their burst skills for something other than procing Cleansing Ire.

Olba.5376:

dancingmonkey.4902:

iSpook.5612:

when did cooldowns become trivial? I’m pretty sure all cooldowns aren’t fun.

I just think people would have a different perspective if thiefs had to build upto a steal, rangers had to build up to a pet skill, guardians had to build up to agies, ele had to build up before changing atunements etc (all these things are just cooldowns, not two hoops to jump through)

im just saying this is going to be pretty rough on warriors

Well if you would rather have cooldowns instead of building up a resource, I can tell you I am absolutely all for a 30s-60s ICD on cleansing ire. That would put it on par with the other professions ICD on traits to remove conditions. Purity, Absolute resolution, Transmute, and what not.

Purity is 1 condition on a 10s CD. Transmute is 1 condition on a 15s CD.

If you think that Cleansing Ire should be 30s or kitten just because it removes up to 3 conditions, you’re nuts. The difference between Cleansing Ire and Absolute Resolution is that the latter is only triggered when you want to trigger it. Triggering Virtue of Resolve isn’t anything like using a Burst skill on a warrior, so don’t compare the two like they were the same thing.

Spoiler: Warriors use their burst skills for something other than procing Cleansing Ire.

Right, they totally use LB for the damage on Combustive Shot. Yeah, totally.

As if.

Until the patch day warriors use their adren only for two things (well, meta builds does) – triggering CI or AOE stun.

CI is simply icing on the cake. Take Melandru/Hoelbrak runes and warhorn. Then tell me if condies is still a prob in PvP. If they are, you are doing something wrong.

azuzephyr.7280:

Steelo.4597:

rolling burst warrior was hardmode already

…eh

…I

What?

How do you roll a burst warrior bro, this sounds like some intricate stuff

Azure The Heartless.3261:

azuzephyr.7280:

Steelo.4597:

rolling burst warrior was hardmode already

…eh

…I

What?

How do you roll a burst warrior bro, this sounds like some intricate stuff

burst warrior…. didnt that one use rifle and Nomads gear??? I cannot remember the exact build, but it was dedicated to the task, thats for sure.

Stop complaining warriors. Over the past year, while you’ve had some gentle shave nerfs, you’ve received so many amazing buffs. Cleansing ire basically removed what was supposed to be your classes ultimate weakness. And did you really need to get phalanx strength? That is a joke to me to get a trait like that while necromancers languish and are discriminated by mere pugs and speed runners alike for not offering any notable way to buff the group, let alone the lack of cleace. That to me is inexcusable of anet to do.

I honestly just want a higher skill cap for certain professions and I want the professions to be on a more even playing field for ALL areas of the game.

I always thought it was a bug when using burst skill but not hitting didn’t remove my adrenaline. Warrior is too much of a facetanker already so some brain activity to this class is highly welcomed!

Prysin.8542:

Olba.5376:

dancingmonkey.4902:

iSpook.5612:

when did cooldowns become trivial? I’m pretty sure all cooldowns aren’t fun.

I just think people would have a different perspective if thiefs had to build upto a steal, rangers had to build up to a pet skill, guardians had to build up to agies, ele had to build up before changing atunements etc (all these things are just cooldowns, not two hoops to jump through)

im just saying this is going to be pretty rough on warriors

Well if you would rather have cooldowns instead of building up a resource, I can tell you I am absolutely all for a 30s-60s ICD on cleansing ire. That would put it on par with the other professions ICD on traits to remove conditions. Purity, Absolute resolution, Transmute, and what not.

Purity is 1 condition on a 10s CD. Transmute is 1 condition on a 15s CD.

If you think that Cleansing Ire should be 30s or kitten just because it removes up to 3 conditions, you’re nuts. The difference between Cleansing Ire and Absolute Resolution is that the latter is only triggered when you want to trigger it. Triggering Virtue of Resolve isn’t anything like using a Burst skill on a warrior, so don’t compare the two like they were the same thing.

Spoiler: Warriors use their burst skills for something other than procing Cleansing Ire.

Right, they totally use LB for the damage on Combustive Shot. Yeah, totally.

As if.

Until the patch day warriors use their adren only for two things (well, meta builds does) – triggering CI or AOE stun.

CI is simply icing on the cake. Take Melandru/Hoelbrak runes and warhorn. Then tell me if condies is still a prob in PvP. If they are, you are doing something wrong.

So Combustive Shot does not give you a fire field that you can blast with Arcing Arrow and Earthshaker for long stacks of might?

So specs other than Hambow do not exist whatsoever?