A Possible Solution for Most
What i am suggesting is that instead of double tap they could add weapon swap to swap between main hand and offhand attunement and make it so that the first weapon swap after attunement swap doesn’t have cooldown.
Yes. I’ve heard this idea on multiple occasions now.
The “swap-to-same-attunement-without-cd” idea is definitely is a good one and needs to be implemented to have some basic reactive gameplay that vanilla ele always had.
I strongly doubt they will tweak the attunement swapping at this point.
My idea of a band/aid fix is to greatly, greatly improve the barrier numbers to the point that this actually feels like a tanky class, and the twitch 4/5 skills aren’t as critical. Given how low the damage is, there ought to be some inherent survivability built in anyway.
What i am suggesting is that instead of double tap they could add weapon swap to swap between main hand and offhand attunement and make it so that the first weapon swap after attunement swap doesn’t have cooldown.
This so much. But we won’t see that change in our lifetime.
Yes you should be able to double-tap and get the full attunement immediately. The way it works now is just a headache.
Yes. I’ve heard this idea on multiple occasions now.
The “swap-to-same-attunement-without-cd” idea is definitely is a good one and needs to be implemented to have some basic reactive gameplay that vanilla ele always had.
“Swap to same attunement without cd” is going to make the already strong Elements of Rage ridiculous. Assuming full zerk gear only that’s 10% damage modifier at all times (already on par with Bolt to the Heart) plus 380 ferocity. If the conversion works on attributes gained from various buffs, this can easily get to 500 ferocity. It’s way to strong to have it up permanently.
> power build
> strong
Nice joke. Have fun surviving anywhere in PvP/WvW with a zerker/marauder ele when people are running around with permanent 40-50% power damage reduction (food + buffs + auras).
Condi dmg is the meta because it only needs one stat (unlike power, prec, ferocity which are 3), ignores enemy Toughness and allows you take defensive stats as well while maintaining the same damage as a power build.
It is a core design problem of GW2, which is why everyone slowly but steadily realizes condi specs are far superior since they can make you tanky and dps’y (Trailblazer I’m looking at you).
In fact the only barely viable Weaver spec right now is a condi one. And a condi weaver beats a power weaver while eating a sandwich in one hand, it’s that ridiculous.
(edited by Aky.2095)
This game isn’t only pvp/wvw. In fact, it’s mostly PvE. Hence, a “solution” which makes something overpowered bordering on broken in PvE will never make it to live. Regardless of how “working” it seems to be in your own small sandbox.
P.S. Btw, I do run full zerk staff ele in WvW recently. Mostly because I’m too lazy to swap to mara stats. I do die, of course. But most of the time when I do die, so do most of our players. We simply get outplayed or outgunned and we get wiped. It is actually fun to see players on the other team get surprised by the damage output of a full glass ele. You people are spoiled of always fighting against defensive builds.
(edited by Feanor.2358)
In GW1 they made certain skills/mechanics different for PvE and PvP, it’s their own fault for not doing that in GW2. But don’t get me started on why GW1 was better in nearly everything gameplay-related…
I’ve also had some fun with staff weaver on glass cannon build but I don’t consider it a serious build for top guilds. Rather a gimmick. Once a single guy decides to take you out, it’s over.
It’s fun for a while, especially at choke points, but then you have an open field fight with no chokes and realize you could have dealt much more damage if you were actually a little tankier and simply survived longer. (WvW perspective, that is)
But I agree that on choke points, making the choke hot with Lava Font, Meteor Shower, Plasma Blast, Pile Driver and the likes is super fun. It’s just that, far from every fight involves choke points, especially on bigger maps.
Yes. I’ve heard this idea on multiple occasions now.
The “swap-to-same-attunement-without-cd” idea is definitely is a good one and needs to be implemented to have some basic reactive gameplay that vanilla ele always had.
“Swap to same attunement without cd” is going to make the already strong Elements of Rage ridiculous. Assuming full zerk gear only that’s 10% damage modifier at all times (already on par with Bolt to the Heart) plus 380 ferocity. If the conversion works on attributes gained from various buffs, this can easily get to 500 ferocity. It’s way to strong to have it up permanently.
A few core traits have been altered to not proc on double attunement. EoR could easily be changed to work like those.
Yes. I’ve heard this idea on multiple occasions now.
The “swap-to-same-attunement-without-cd” idea is definitely is a good one and needs to be implemented to have some basic reactive gameplay that vanilla ele always had.
“Swap to same attunement without cd” is going to make the already strong Elements of Rage ridiculous. Assuming full zerk gear only that’s 10% damage modifier at all times (already on par with Bolt to the Heart) plus 380 ferocity. If the conversion works on attributes gained from various buffs, this can easily get to 500 ferocity. It’s way to strong to have it up permanently.
A few core traits have been altered to not proc on double attunement. EoR could easily be changed to work like those.
Then how exactly will it work?
The best solution they can do for Sword Weaver is to balance out the risk-reward playstyle of a pure melee spec which has been asked countless times.
They need to do 4 things:
1. Increase Sword DPS by a huge margin.
2. Increase barrier HP and improve decay timers.
3. Improve gap closer skills.
4. Improve condition cleanses on weaver trait line.
I see a lot of people complaining about the Weaver attunement CDs and not being able to use offhand skills on demand. However, that is the general design of a Weaver and should not be touched. The problem is that the current risks are far greater than the rewards.
DPS and Attunement CD: To simply put it, Elementalists have 20 weapon skills which dealt small~medium damage because these skills should be chained together by dancing through attunements. However, with the current Weaver design you are not able to reliably chain weapon skills due to attunement CD and each specific skill is abysmally weak as well. To justify the Attunement CDs and to compensate the loss of reliable skill chaining, skills should deal more damage than they currently do.
Barrier, Gap Closers, and Condition Cleanse: Sword Weaver is a pure melee spec. As it stands, it’s currently impossible to go toe to toe against condi Necros without going to a bunker build. I think I don’t need to explain further why improving these 3 are essential for build diversity.
Another point I’d like to make is that the Barrier design is absolutely terrible for Weaver. The current formula as per wiki is (Coefficient * Healing Power) + Base Value and it is also capped to 50% of the target’s max HP Link. If weaver is the “DPS spec” for Elementalists, it makes no sense that the formula would include Healing Power and be capped at 50% of maximum HP. This kind of mechanic just pushes weaver into another bunker spec which Elementalists already have through Tempest. I think the current formula is only good for Scourge.
My opinion: I love the general idea for the Weaver design but it is clearly lacking to be a real “DPS” spec. I’m very happy that they put several skills with evade frames. I hope they improve the spec by the time of the expansion’s release.
Yes. I’ve heard this idea on multiple occasions now.
The “swap-to-same-attunement-without-cd” idea is definitely is a good one and needs to be implemented to have some basic reactive gameplay that vanilla ele always had.
“Swap to same attunement without cd” is going to make the already strong Elements of Rage ridiculous. Assuming full zerk gear only that’s 10% damage modifier at all times (already on par with Bolt to the Heart) plus 380 ferocity. If the conversion works on attributes gained from various buffs, this can easily get to 500 ferocity. It’s way to strong to have it up permanently.
A few core traits have been altered to not proc on double attunement. EoR could easily be changed to work like those.
Then how exactly will it work?
The existing ones only take note of the first time you enter an attunement; they just ignore the second time you attune (fully attune).
Yes. I’ve heard this idea on multiple occasions now.
The “swap-to-same-attunement-without-cd” idea is definitely is a good one and needs to be implemented to have some basic reactive gameplay that vanilla ele always had.
“Swap to same attunement without cd” is going to make the already strong Elements of Rage ridiculous. Assuming full zerk gear only that’s 10% damage modifier at all times (already on par with Bolt to the Heart) plus 380 ferocity. If the conversion works on attributes gained from various buffs, this can easily get to 500 ferocity. It’s way to strong to have it up permanently.
A few core traits have been altered to not proc on double attunement. EoR could easily be changed to work like those.
Then how exactly will it work?
The existing ones only take note of the first time you enter an attunement; they just ignore the second time you attune (fully attune).
So how exactly does a trait which says “10% damage for 8 seconds when you fully attune” work?
Yes. I’ve heard this idea on multiple occasions now.
The “swap-to-same-attunement-without-cd” idea is definitely is a good one and needs to be implemented to have some basic reactive gameplay that vanilla ele always had.
“Swap to same attunement without cd” is going to make the already strong Elements of Rage ridiculous. Assuming full zerk gear only that’s 10% damage modifier at all times (already on par with Bolt to the Heart) plus 380 ferocity. If the conversion works on attributes gained from various buffs, this can easily get to 500 ferocity. It’s way to strong to have it up permanently.
A few core traits have been altered to not proc on double attunement. EoR could easily be changed to work like those.
Then how exactly will it work?
The existing ones only take note of the first time you enter an attunement; they just ignore the second time you attune (fully attune).
So how exactly does a trait which says “10% damage for 8 seconds when you fully attune” work?
Sorry, I think I must have misunderstood your question. I thought you were worried about proccing ‘on swap’ traits twice successively through not having cd on the element you last attuned to (such as how Cleansing Wave now works). Given that Elements of Rage has an 8 second duration, if you switch on the button every 4 seconds (or sooner with Arcane trait reduction), yeah this can be pretty much a permanent 10% damage boost. Even using it tactically you should still be able to blow your big damage skills in 8 seconds easy. Combine it with the otherwise lacklustre Unravel right before swapping to your last element in Weave Self and become awesome for 8 seconds, followed by ‘pretty nifty’ for another two until Perfect Weave runs out. Ah, there’s your burst damage. So, Feanor, I absolutely agree with the madness that change would bring. We have a button to do it once, but any ‘double tap to fully attune’ mechanism needs to accept that once you’re fully attuned, all elements need to go on a massive cool down to stop it happening again (bringing us back to where we are now, more or less), or alternatively give the trait an ICD to avoid abuse. Which would have been a better answer for you two questions ago. Kitten.
Another solution would be the spec doing respectable damage as either condi or power…as opposed to right now where neither will give you sufficient damage to justify the complexity of weaver over literally any other class or ele spec
I wonder if ANet is going to give us any definition or clarification on the Weaver.
Power or Condi? If it’s a “melee bruiser” the spec is going to need a LOT more self-defense, mobility and damage. And how will they refine the sword to make it better than dagger in close combat?
The best solution they can do for Sword Weaver is to balance out the risk-reward playstyle of a pure melee spec which has been asked countless times.
They need to do 4 things:
1. Increase Sword DPS by a huge margin.
2. Increase barrier HP and improve decay timers.
3. Improve gap closer skills.
4. Improve condition cleanses on weaver trait line.I see a lot of people complaining about the Weaver attunement CDs and not being able to use offhand skills on demand. However, that is the general design of a Weaver and should not be touched. The problem is that the current risks are far greater than the rewards.
DPS and Attunement CD: To simply put it, Elementalists have 20 weapon skills which dealt small~medium damage because these skills should be chained together by dancing through attunements. However, with the current Weaver design you are not able to reliably chain weapon skills due to attunement CD and each specific skill is abysmally weak as well. To justify the Attunement CDs and to compensate the loss of reliable skill chaining, skills should deal more damage than they currently do.
Barrier, Gap Closers, and Condition Cleanse: Sword Weaver is a pure melee spec. As it stands, it’s currently impossible to go toe to toe against condi Necros without going to a bunker build. I think I don’t need to explain further why improving these 3 are essential for build diversity.
Another point I’d like to make is that the Barrier design is absolutely terrible for Weaver. The current formula as per wiki is (Coefficient * Healing Power) + Base Value and it is also capped to 50% of the target’s max HP Link. If weaver is the “DPS spec” for Elementalists, it makes no sense that the formula would include Healing Power and be capped at 50% of maximum HP. This kind of mechanic just pushes weaver into another bunker spec which Elementalists already have through Tempest. I think the current formula is only good for Scourge.
My opinion: I love the general idea for the Weaver design but it is clearly lacking to be a real “DPS” spec. I’m very happy that they put several skills with evade frames. I hope they improve the spec by the time of the expansion’s release.
^this
The best solution they can do for Sword Weaver is to balance out the risk-reward playstyle of a pure melee spec which has been asked countless times.
They need to do 4 things:
1. Increase Sword DPS by a huge margin.
2. Increase barrier HP and improve decay timers.
3. Improve gap closer skills.
4. Improve condition cleanses on weaver trait line.I see a lot of people complaining about the Weaver attunement CDs and not being able to use offhand skills on demand. However, that is the general design of a Weaver and should not be touched. The problem is that the current risks are far greater than the rewards.
DPS and Attunement CD: To simply put it, Elementalists have 20 weapon skills which dealt small~medium damage because these skills should be chained together by dancing through attunements. However, with the current Weaver design you are not able to reliably chain weapon skills due to attunement CD and each specific skill is abysmally weak as well. To justify the Attunement CDs and to compensate the loss of reliable skill chaining, skills should deal more damage than they currently do.
Barrier, Gap Closers, and Condition Cleanse: Sword Weaver is a pure melee spec. As it stands, it’s currently impossible to go toe to toe against condi Necros without going to a bunker build. I think I don’t need to explain further why improving these 3 are essential for build diversity.
Another point I’d like to make is that the Barrier design is absolutely terrible for Weaver. The current formula as per wiki is (Coefficient * Healing Power) + Base Value and it is also capped to 50% of the target’s max HP Link. If weaver is the “DPS spec” for Elementalists, it makes no sense that the formula would include Healing Power and be capped at 50% of maximum HP. This kind of mechanic just pushes weaver into another bunker spec which Elementalists already have through Tempest. I think the current formula is only good for Scourge.
My opinion: I love the general idea for the Weaver design but it is clearly lacking to be a real “DPS” spec. I’m very happy that they put several skills with evade frames. I hope they improve the spec by the time of the expansion’s release.
^this
Agreed, too.
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Barrier scaling with healing power is utterly ridiculous. What’s the point of even giving it to Weaver if they planned to scale it this way?