Guild Wars 2

You shouldn’t be forced to use all 4 attunements to be good, they need to make it so using 1 or 2 attunements is viable.

No way, the complexity is what makes this class appealing, dont take it away!

Cries Of Sorrow.5864:

No way, the complexity is what makes this class appealing, dont take it away!

Complexity makes the class hard to balance and un-fun for new players.

cheshirefox.7026:

they should just give us a 5th attunement called stand there and die

we do, it is called “playing ele”

Daecollo.9578:

Cries Of Sorrow.5864:

No way, the complexity is what makes this class appealing, dont take it away!

Complexity makes the class hard to balance and un-fun for new players.

too bad for you E-sport isn’t about new players.
Complexity is what allows a high skill ceilling.
the class was build around the idea of 4 attunements: deal with it.
or go back to the warrior forums where you posted overpowered suggestions.

Daecollo.9578:

You shouldn’t be forced to use all 4 attunements to be good, they need to make it so using 1 or 2 attunements is viable.

Lightning Hammers followed by FGS

Problem Solved.

Cries Of Sorrow.5864:

Daecollo.9578:

Cries Of Sorrow.5864:

No way, the complexity is what makes this class appealing, dont take it away!

Complexity makes the class hard to balance and un-fun for new players.

too bad for you E-sport isn’t about new players.
Complexity is what allows a high skill ceilling.
the class was build around the idea of 4 attunements: deal with it.
or go back to the warrior forums where you posted overpowered suggestions.

Too bad because what the OP said is exactly how Arenanet is treating the classes.

Ranger more control over pet is bad because players are no able to handle it.
Elementalist: most of them only stay in 1 attunement.

This is what the devs think of the classes.

So what he said is true. The elementalist needs to be able to stand on it own with only 2 attunement, but reward players that masters all the atunements. Right we are punished for having 3 other attunements, with high cd and low damage. The other attunements are not even doing what they are suppose to be. Fire was suppose to be AOE damage, water healing, air high single target damage and earth defensive skills.

Sounds sarcastic. Pretty sure it is a troll post. Anyway..

What would you do? Simplify it and ruin it for all people that fancy the way of playing it, so new players gets into it a bit faster? A poll put engineers and elementalists on top, of professions that were the most fun to play. Probably not because we have ONE attunement..

It IS rather easy to get into, as I see it and using a few attunements only works just fine. And if it’s too hard to get into PvP, because of attunement dancing, then you need to practice. People are perhaps too lazy and spoiled, who knows. Of course it has to be user friendly, but simplifying it could ruin the fun of the class entirely.

No thanks, I love how easy it is to get into elementalists yet how much further I can go with it the more I play.

What it needs is balance changes.

The fun factor of the elementalist is that you have a lot of skills to use depending the situation, u have an answer, reduce that would be bad u_u

AndresR.4532:

The fun factor of the elementalist is that you have a lot of skills to use depending the situation, u have an answer, reduce that would be bad u_u

I want to go in the opposite direction, I want moar skills except in each attunement.
Let’s use our underutilized weapon swap mechanic to swap skill sets within an attunement!

make everything even more easy. so we can all stay in lions arch doing nothing forever.

seriously, instead of saying its too hard, practice a bit more. other than that, use lightinghammer and fgs.

It doesnt seem like hes asking for the game to be easier, just would like to main a element and stick with that while being valuable.

Complexity overwhelms most posters on the elementalist subforums.

If ele is too hard for you to learn to play, go roll a warrior or ranger. If you don’t have the patience to learn the curve, don’t bother playing a mesmer either.

Cries Of Sorrow.5864:

or go back to the warrior forums where you posted overpowered suggestions.

This.

Daecollo posts crazy suggestions in nearly every class forum (+ the sPvP forums) on a daily basis.

These posts are neither constructive nor useful to the devs.

Ele does not need to be made easier it needs to be made more rewarding.

I consider myself fairly good at ele and once mastered the final outcome is subpar to everything else in the game atm.

elithrar.7143:

Cries Of Sorrow.5864:

or go back to the warrior forums where you posted overpowered suggestions.

This.

Daecollo posts crazy suggestions in nearly every class forum (+ the sPvP forums) on a daily basis.

These posts are neither constructive nor useful to the devs.

It’s good that we’re aware of the neighbourhood then.

Liquid Swords.1740:

Ele does not need to be made easier it needs to be made more rewarding.

I consider myself fairly good at ele and once mastered the final outcome is subpar to everything else in the game atm.

Then its just unbalancing.

People need a 2 attunement spec where they don’t have to switch to the other 2, in fact some specs should completely out one attunement from being ran.

Daecollo.9578:

Liquid Swords.1740:

Ele does not need to be made easier it needs to be made more rewarding.

I consider myself fairly good at ele and once mastered the final outcome is subpar to everything else in the game atm.

Then its just unbalancing.

People need a 2 attunement spec where they don’t have to switch to the other 2, in fact some specs should completely out one attunement from being ran.

Do you know how much work would be required to do that. It would almost require a full overhaul of the entire elementalist profession, not to mention that we aren’t in beta anymore so if something goes wrong along the way then the ele would be either super OP or super UP for another month before the could fix it.

Elementalist is fun (for me at least) thanks to the attunement swap system
If you can’t handle 4 weapon sets, go spam 1 on a spirit ranger.

How do you balance 2 attunements being viable, without overpowering 4?

It’s not possible without having linked cool downs between attunements, and then why have 4?

Not all classes are as equally easy to play.

Daecollo.9578:

Cries Of Sorrow.5864:

No way, the complexity is what makes this class appealing, dont take it away!

Complexity makes the class hard to balance and un-fun for new players.

You can have both though, make it so that Eles can choose to specialise in 2 elements or can spec arcane to be decent at all 4 attunements how it is now.

eg: speccing 30 fire/30 earth makes those attunements have a 5sec recharge at the cost of making water/air attunement have a 15sec recharge, something like that.

The current design forces attunement switching, which isn’t fun to everyone, raises the skill floor to the point where there are “Ele sucks” all the time from new Eles. Ele is pretty horrible to level for new players, which for a game trying to be accessible and casual-friendly is a big design no-no.

Not to mention the forced versatility requires Ele to be a relatively low-damage class to stay balanced.

elithrar.7143:

How do you balance 2 attunements being viable, without overpowering 4?

It’s not possible without having linked cool downs between attunements, and then why have 4?

huh? there are a multitude of ways.

Add grandmaster traits that overpower an attunment, but shut down 1-2?

Fire Magic Does X and Double X, You can no longer attune to water. (trait.)

That sounds like fun to balance. How do you massively improve a “specialized” attunement without making the [supposedly more skilled], 4 attunement Ele underpowered?

Daecollo.9578:

You shouldn’t be forced to use all 4 attunements to be good, they need to make it so using 1 or 2 attunements is viable.

That would make ppl that use all four over powered.

All I need is the old condition removal cool down traits to fight off Perplexity condition spikes in wvw. Any other build that’s not heavy condition spiking via upper tier necro or mesmers with food buffs and so forth. I think the annoyance is due to the fact of DD’s in wvw are facing tough and condition spec spikers.

You can always fire staff 1 2 3 on cool down with timing and 25 stacks of might auto hits for 5700 and each tick of 2 hits for 5700 simultaneously plus burning damage. It’s boring but you can make a permanent fire field.

Daecollo.9578:

Liquid Swords.1740:

Ele does not need to be made easier it needs to be made more rewarding.

I consider myself fairly good at ele and once mastered the final outcome is subpar to everything else in the game atm.

Then its just unbalancing.

People need a 2 attunement spec where they don’t have to switch to the other 2, in fact some specs should completely out one attunement from being ran.

Just use conjure weapons then kitten

There’s your easymodo “I don’t need to switch out of water” build.
Do it.

It would be cool if every other class would be as “hard” to play as ele. This it what makes the game interesting and fun to play, not brainafk classes like stun warriors or spirit rangers.

I think they just need to give us more ways to spend our traits. Basically if you aren’t spending 30 in arcane and 15 in water. You are going to get killed by anything, including most uplevels.

I think all attunements should grant you there 15 trait passive automatically and replace the 15th trait with something more trivial rather than essential.

made a suggestions of how to change the attunement functionality a bit which would make it alot more viable to stay in fewer attunement switches due to the effect of an activatable skills which trickers a global cd on all attunements.

effectively the skill is suppose to bolster up the specific attunement you are in and make it varible to use each attunement to each situation instead of ALL attunement to EVERY situation. thereby bringing in tactic and less spam but more thought to the class.

Link:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/Attunement-and-Traits-Revamp-idea/first#post2825766