Guild Wars 2

I don’t even understand why there are any complaints about warriors when there are Mesmers at bay. Seriously is it even possible to kill them? I’m talking about good PU mesmers with 1000s of hours played. PU mesmers that took the time to learn every single class mechanic in the game in order to counter each class. Are they even beatable? I only want to hear a response from d/d eles with years of experience at hand, please no noob comments about how your d/d ele killed a crappy PU mesmer.

Today I fought a PU mesmer that had an abundant amount of stealth (desperate decoy, decoy, the prestige, veil, mass invisibility). He was using sword/pistol along with scepter/torch.

The fight started off alright, I was able to avoid illusionary counter by dodging so no torment was applied. I dodged as soon as illusionary leap was casted to avoid the swap followup. When I was stunned, I went into mist form to avoid the burst from blurred frenzy + duelist and mage phantasm burst. As soon as he started to channel confusing images I dodged to avoid the confusion stacks. I landed full burst combos on him, he just would stealth and healed up through all the damage I did though. My burst basically took him to 25% HP and he was back to 90%+ hp when he came out of stealth. We take turns avoiding burst for a while but eventually I end up running out of stun breakers and get low on endurance from dodging phantoms, I get stunned and he unloads on me taking me to ~10% hp before I’m able to move. I’m now put on the defensive and basically have no choice but to run, or die. I was able to escape so I heal up and go for round 2… This time I try killing off mage and duelist phantasm so I don’t have to worry about dodging their burst attacks. which didn’t work out so well, Because I’m applying even less pressure on him now… I ended up dying from an overload of confusion stacks, rending me useless, if I attack I’ll kill my self by attacking. I fought this guy a total of 3 or 4 times, just running into him on the battlefield and 1v1ing him. The fights were usually a good min or two before failing to beat him. I’m the kind of person who would spend an eternity dueling the same person just for the chance to finally triumph, I’d of loved to get more fights in with the guy but I couldn’t find him again, I seriously don’t think I stood much chance of winning, regardless I would of kept trying.

My build is 0/15/10/15/30

I have both the 10% dmg modifiers, 3150 power, 53% crit chance with perma fury, 107% crit dmg and also had 5 stacks of defense against guards for the extra hp, giving me around 18.4kHP. I have around 1600 toughness. Even with heavy burst capability I just don’t feel like I could do enough dps to end this PU mesmer. How am I supposed to win? I refuse to believe I can’t beat a good PU, there has to be some method to the madness.

Grimreaper.5370:

Today I fought a PU mesmer that had an abundant amount of stealth.

You don’t say?

If he is PU condition, he is very hard to kill but you can get him with a zerker staff ele easily. D/D has always been a poor weapon set to fight mesmers, maybe you would do better with more condition removals but I doubt it.

If he’s really tanky, it’s impossible with S/D too, but feasible with staff (all the illusions die in the AoEs).

Uhtameit.2413:

Grimreaper.5370:

Today I fought a PU mesmer that had an abundant amount of stealth.

You don’t say?

If he is PU condition, he is very hard to kill but you can get him with a zerker staff ele easily. D/D has always been a poor weapon set to fight mesmers, maybe you would do better with more condition removals but I doubt it.

If he’s really tanky, it’s impossible with S/D too, but feasible with staff (all the illusions die in the AoEs).

By abundant I mean’t I’m pretty sure he had the full 21 second potential with veil, along with 18 seconds from other abilities…. Yeah I know I can lightning whip the veil to stop him from getting that full duration but he still seemed to get quite a bit of use out of veil. I don’t think staff could of put enough pressure on this guy to kill him. I refuse to believe its impossible >.<

The good ones know your range is limited and sit back while their clone do everything. You won’t be killing manners any time soon.

D/d eles are easy prey for good pu Mesmers(by good I mean a pu Mesmer that deals enough damage to outburst Ele constant heal not a very bunker Mesmer that can’t out damage Ele regen. A good s/f burst built Ele stand more of a chance to defeat them with good effort put into it.

LightningBlaze.4913:

D/d eles are easy prey for good pu Mesmers. A good s/f built Ele stand more of a chance to defeat them with good effort put into it.

yes I agree s/f might be a valid choice due to swirling winds and magnetic wave. But I still just see the mesmer hiding while any abilities to counter projectiles were up.. There must be some way to kill them with d/d… If only it wasn’t so easy to dodge burning speed when not comboing it with LF.

Grimreaper.5370:

LightningBlaze.4913:

D/d eles are easy prey for good pu Mesmers. A good s/f built Ele stand more of a chance to defeat them with good effort put into it.

yes I agree s/f might be a valid choice due to swirling winds and magnetic wave. But I still just see the mesmer hiding while any abilities to counter projectiles were up.. There must be some way to kill them with d/d… If only it wasn’t so easy to dodge burning speed when not comboing it with LF.

If you land a successful churning earth + LF, you have room to win. Else, S/F or staff zerker.

Uhtameit.2413:

Grimreaper.5370:

LightningBlaze.4913:

D/d eles are easy prey for good pu Mesmers. A good s/f built Ele stand more of a chance to defeat them with good effort put into it.

yes I agree s/f might be a valid choice due to swirling winds and magnetic wave. But I still just see the mesmer hiding while any abilities to counter projectiles were up.. There must be some way to kill them with d/d… If only it wasn’t so easy to dodge burning speed when not comboing it with LF.

If you land a successful churning earth + LF, you have room to win. Else, S/F or staff zerker.

LOL! Are you trolling me? You think this mesmer wouldn’t know to dodge after 3 seconds? If I was a mesmer fighting an ele who churning earthed I’d either a.) teleport into him and blurred frenzy to hurt him while avoiding the blast, or b.) count the 3 and dodge.

As I’ve dueled several guildies a LOT and they tend to use those kind of Mesmer builds, I can say from personal experience that you need to constantly pressure them and chase them relentlessly and anticipate where they are in stealth (people are way more predictable than you think). Air auto D/D is a huge cone so you will probably hit them when they stealth.

Also be careful when attunement dancing too much, as it wears down the cooldowns a lot and they win by persistance, so you need to be quick.

Teleport and stability are your best friends against mesmers (condition clear is kinda obvious).

Grimreaper.5370:

Uhtameit.2413:

Grimreaper.5370:

LightningBlaze.4913:

D/d eles are easy prey for good pu Mesmers. A good s/f built Ele stand more of a chance to defeat them with good effort put into it.

yes I agree s/f might be a valid choice due to swirling winds and magnetic wave. But I still just see the mesmer hiding while any abilities to counter projectiles were up.. There must be some way to kill them with d/d… If only it wasn’t so easy to dodge burning speed when not comboing it with LF.

If you land a successful churning earth + LF, you have room to win. Else, S/F or staff zerker.

LOL! Are you trolling me? You think this mesmer wouldn’t know to dodge after 3 seconds?

Even against decent opponents, sometimes they fail to know exactly when Churning Earth will trigger, you can fake and teleport earlier to make them waste a dodge then they get hit (or teleport at the very last half second). Or you could use elemental surge and immobilize him before the teleportation, too. So no, I am not trolling you.

Swim.6830:

As I’ve dueled several guildies a LOT and they tend to use those kind of Mesmer builds, I can say from personal experience that you need to constantly pressure them and chase them relentlessly and anticipate where they are in stealth (people are way more predictable than you think). Air auto D/D is a huge cone so you will probably hit them when they stealth.

Also be careful when attunement dancing too much, as it wears down the cooldowns a lot and they win by persistance, so you need to be quick.

Teleport and stability are your best friends against mesmers (condition clear is kinda obvious).

I’m sure I could get better at predicting stealthed opponent location, but I find my self doing better than most people, I’m able to dodge quite often as a thief is about to back stab from knowing how long their stealth lasts and how long they’ll probably want to stay in it. I’m able to do some decent predicting of movement, but this mesmer man… I swear I feel like I outplayed him and I still lost due to his class mechanic being stronger than mine.

Uhtameit.2413:

Grimreaper.5370:

Uhtameit.2413:

Grimreaper.5370:

LightningBlaze.4913:

D/d eles are easy prey for good pu Mesmers. A good s/f built Ele stand more of a chance to defeat them with good effort put into it.

yes I agree s/f might be a valid choice due to swirling winds and magnetic wave. But I still just see the mesmer hiding while any abilities to counter projectiles were up.. There must be some way to kill them with d/d… If only it wasn’t so easy to dodge burning speed when not comboing it with LF.

If you land a successful churning earth + LF, you have room to win. Else, S/F or staff zerker.

LOL! Are you trolling me? You think this mesmer wouldn’t know to dodge after 3 seconds?

Even against decent opponents, sometimes they fail to know exactly when Churning Earth will trigger, you can fake and teleport earlier to make them waste a dodge then they get hit (or teleport at the very last half second). Or you could use elemental surge and immobilize him before the teleportation, too. So no, I am not trolling you.

Hmm, I like the idea of elemental surge to land churning earth. I will try that out just for funs sometime. While that combo sounds interesting that leaves me with one stun breaker though :| There is also the problem of him going into stealth 1 second before the blast. im also left with less healing then. if only magnetic grasp was instant, or churning earth allowed you to move while channeling and/or let you cast other abilities while channeling.

Grimreaper.5370:

Uhtameit.2413:

Grimreaper.5370:

Uhtameit.2413:

Grimreaper.5370:

LightningBlaze.4913:

D/d eles are easy prey for good pu Mesmers. A good s/f built Ele stand more of a chance to defeat them with good effort put into it.

yes I agree s/f might be a valid choice due to swirling winds and magnetic wave. But I still just see the mesmer hiding while any abilities to counter projectiles were up.. There must be some way to kill them with d/d… If only it wasn’t so easy to dodge burning speed when not comboing it with LF.

If you land a successful churning earth + LF, you have room to win. Else, S/F or staff zerker.

LOL! Are you trolling me? You think this mesmer wouldn’t know to dodge after 3 seconds?

Even against decent opponents, sometimes they fail to know exactly when Churning Earth will trigger, you can fake and teleport earlier to make them waste a dodge then they get hit (or teleport at the very last half second). Or you could use elemental surge and immobilize him before the teleportation, too. So no, I am not trolling you.

Hmm, I like the idea of elemental surge to land churning earth. I will try that out just for funs sometime. While that combo sounds interesting that leaves me with one stun breaker though :| There is also the problem of him going into stealth 1 second before the blast. im also left with less healing then. if only magnetic grasp was instant, or churning earth allowed you to move while channeling and/or let you cast other abilities while channeling.

If you fake cast churning earth while they are stealthed, they usually dodge if they happen to be in the area, which spawns a clone (most common build) and you basically know where they are

This has helped me a lot, dunno how I forgot it.

Swim.6830:

Grimreaper.5370:

Uhtameit.2413:

Grimreaper.5370:

Uhtameit.2413:

Grimreaper.5370:

LightningBlaze.4913:

D/d eles are easy prey for good pu Mesmers. A good s/f built Ele stand more of a chance to defeat them with good effort put into it.

yes I agree s/f might be a valid choice due to swirling winds and magnetic wave. But I still just see the mesmer hiding while any abilities to counter projectiles were up.. There must be some way to kill them with d/d… If only it wasn’t so easy to dodge burning speed when not comboing it with LF.

If you land a successful churning earth + LF, you have room to win. Else, S/F or staff zerker.

LOL! Are you trolling me? You think this mesmer wouldn’t know to dodge after 3 seconds?

Even against decent opponents, sometimes they fail to know exactly when Churning Earth will trigger, you can fake and teleport earlier to make them waste a dodge then they get hit (or teleport at the very last half second). Or you could use elemental surge and immobilize him before the teleportation, too. So no, I am not trolling you.

Hmm, I like the idea of elemental surge to land churning earth. I will try that out just for funs sometime. While that combo sounds interesting that leaves me with one stun breaker though :| There is also the problem of him going into stealth 1 second before the blast. im also left with less healing then. if only magnetic grasp was instant, or churning earth allowed you to move while channeling and/or let you cast other abilities while channeling.

If you fake cast churning earth while they are stealthed, they usually dodge if they happen to be in the area, which spawns a clone (most common build) and you basically know where they are

This has helped me a lot, dunno how I forgot it.

Good thinkin. Will keep this in mind

There is this magical skill called lightning whip on d/d, it one shots clones, if you die to mesmers often you should give it a try sometime.

Vylor.3276:

There is this magical skill called lightning whip on d/d, it one shots clones, if you die to mesmers often you should give it a try sometime.

…. lol, I don’t think you read my story behind fighting PU mesmer. In fact I don’t think you even took the time to think at all.

I have ran PU on mesmer many times power, condition and the hybrid version. Most know I main elementalist even though I have 7 classes at 80.

So if it isn’t a duel you can ignore them except a full zerker gs pu mesmer can pump alot of damage.

The setup you faced is strictly a dueling setup as out in roaming gs or staff are not worth it to drop over running both sets with 1 handers.

Sounds like you fought either condi or hybrid you need good condition management probably 30 water tbh and need good damage and pressure. You have to kill duelist(pistol phantasm) asap against that setup. Unless you are about to kill the mesmer as in he has like 15% life left stop whatever you doing and kill duelist. Save shocking aura for when he gets you with ileap and blurred frenzy and trust me he probably will since the cd is short. Lighting whip is you best friend in this fight but its a uphill battle.

A power PU mesmer with GS is a much easier fight then condi PU it’s still kind of hard and annoying chasing them around but it is definitely doable.

To be honest with you when I go and put on my clerics armor with 30 water, boon duration runes, cav trinkets with soldier ammy I do much better because I can handle the conditions better and keep pressure. The fight just takes much longer.

The problem with D/D vs PU mesmer is that you almost have no way to do damage to the mesmer and avoid killing clones proccing the on death traits. You could burning speed a mesmer he dodges it making a clone and your lingering field blows the clone up hitting you with death trait.

People do complain about PU mesmers but most people know it’s a dueling build and you can ignore it when your out roaming.

Warriors don’t even fair well against PU mesmers in duels. Really engi, necro, meditation guardian, and patient thief play can give pu mesmers trouble in my experience on my other classes. A condi Ele might work I don’t play condi Ele but PU mesmers have weak condi removal its the torch trait for 1 condi for per 4 and 5 skill use. Sometimes they move 10 to vitality tree for 2 condis on heal, maybe run lyssa runes sometimes.

Grimreaper.5370:

I’m talking about good PU mesmers with 1000s of hours played. PU mesmers that took the time to learn every single class mechanic in the game in order to counter each class.

If the mesmer (or any player for that matter) has been playing this much, and has taken the steps and the effort to learn every mechanic in order to counter other classes, what makes you think that you deserve to beat them? They’re obviously better than you of they did all of this, why do you deserve the win?

WhiteRose.6934:

Grimreaper.5370:

I’m talking about good PU mesmers with 1000s of hours played. PU mesmers that took the time to learn every single class mechanic in the game in order to counter each class.

If the mesmer (or any player for that matter) has been playing this much, and has taken the steps and the effort to learn every mechanic in order to counter other classes, what makes you think that you deserve to beat them? They’re obviously better than you of they did all of this, why do you deserve the win?

Nice assumption.

oZii.2864:

People do complain about PU mesmers but most people know it’s a dueling build and you can ignore it when your out roaming.

This makes me sad, that one class kills another 1v1 based on class mechanic and not skill alone -.-

PU Mesmer is like the cheapest build to play in 1v1 scenarios. I don’t think I even have 200 hrs on my mesmer but I can “easily” beat experienced players not because I’m good but because the build has a very low skill cap. Of course I lose from time to time but it’s more likely because I messed up big time.

I can’t even imagine why someone who has 1000 hours of play time and good knowledge of every class would bother playing PU unless they’re just trolling.

1. The easiest to fight is as an Ele would be a pure Condi PU with Scepter/Torch and Staff. Get Diamond skin, always maintain your HP above 90% which should be easy because staff and scepter has very poor physical damage.

2. If you know they lack condi removal, it would be best to use a tanky chill-mentalist build. Take GoEP, Sigil of Hydromancy, and maybe Elemental Surge + Arcane Power. Try to apply chill before they go into stealth so you can just can cleave your skills and you know you’ll hit them unless they waste a blink.

I have raged over thousands of defeats in OS over PU mesmers.
I usualy lose when they are wise enough to stay at max range.Some tips i can give that i use when i fight them are:
1)Their phantasmal animations are pretty easy to notice.Even with an Asura,so dodging the phant burst is sometimes easy
2)When i close in to them they will use blurred frenzy,make sure you got static aura available asap
3)This is really random but i try to predict where they will go when they stealth.
4)When you see many clones around you,preprare yourself for the incomming immobilisation.Maximum condi cleanse helps a lot in these fights and lots of vigor for dodges.

Grimreaper.5370:

oZii.2864:

People do complain about PU mesmers but most people know it’s a dueling build and you can ignore it when your out roaming.

This makes me sad, that one class kills another 1v1 based on class mechanic and not skill alone -.-

Well as other said it is possible with x/F so it would be build v build or more just change your offhand. The problem is also D/D ele’s greatest strength is it’s weakness in this fight.

The D/D ele is a PBAOE specialist. That PBAOE is awesome when your fighting a thief, kiting a chasing enemy etc. It’s why we don’t need to target for many of our skills which is an advantage it has over S/x. The on death traits from mesmers specifically punish this so here the D/D eles greatest strength becomes it’s weakness in this fight. S/x does well against PU mesmers because you just need to target the mesmer and can avoid blowing up the clones.

oZii.2864:

Grimreaper.5370:

oZii.2864:

People do complain about PU mesmers but most people know it’s a dueling build and you can ignore it when your out roaming.

This makes me sad, that one class kills another 1v1 based on class mechanic and not skill alone -.-

Well as other said it is possible with x/F so it would be build v build or more just change your offhand. The problem is also D/D ele’s greatest strength is it’s weakness in this fight.

The D/D ele is a PBAOE specialist. That PBAOE is awesome when your fighting a thief, kiting a chasing enemy etc. It’s why we don’t need to target for many of our skills which is an advantage it has over S/x. The on death traits from mesmers specifically punish this so here the D/D eles greatest strength becomes it’s weakness in this fight. S/x does well against PU mesmers because you just need to target the mesmer and can avoid blowing up the clones.

Yeah man, you just need to get him targeted and you got him beat!

Oh wait…

Swim.6830:

oZii.2864:

Grimreaper.5370:

oZii.2864:

People do complain about PU mesmers but most people know it’s a dueling build and you can ignore it when your out roaming.

This makes me sad, that one class kills another 1v1 based on class mechanic and not skill alone -.-

Well as other said it is possible with x/F so it would be build v build or more just change your offhand. The problem is also D/D ele’s greatest strength is it’s weakness in this fight.

The D/D ele is a PBAOE specialist. That PBAOE is awesome when your fighting a thief, kiting a chasing enemy etc. It’s why we don’t need to target for many of our skills which is an advantage it has over S/x. The on death traits from mesmers specifically punish this so here the D/D eles greatest strength becomes it’s weakness in this fight. S/x does well against PU mesmers because you just need to target the mesmer and can avoid blowing up the clones.

Yeah man, you just need to get him targeted and you got him beat!

Oh wait…

Did I say you win because you use S/x?

Oh wait….

I said S/x does well against PU because you can avoid blowing up clones.

There is no tutorial on how to play Ele so I’ll assume the OP knows what he is doing and understands what I am saying in my post. You on the other hand must wanted me to break the entire fight down Barney style with a video?

oZii.2864:

Swim.6830:

oZii.2864:

Grimreaper.5370:

oZii.2864:

People do complain about PU mesmers but most people know it’s a dueling build and you can ignore it when your out roaming.

This makes me sad, that one class kills another 1v1 based on class mechanic and not skill alone -.-

Well as other said it is possible with x/F so it would be build v build or more just change your offhand. The problem is also D/D ele’s greatest strength is it’s weakness in this fight.

The D/D ele is a PBAOE specialist. That PBAOE is awesome when your fighting a thief, kiting a chasing enemy etc. It’s why we don’t need to target for many of our skills which is an advantage it has over S/x. The on death traits from mesmers specifically punish this so here the D/D eles greatest strength becomes it’s weakness in this fight. S/x does well against PU mesmers because you just need to target the mesmer and can avoid blowing up the clones.

Yeah man, you just need to get him targeted and you got him beat!

Oh wait…

Did I say you win because you use S/x?

Oh wait….

I said S/x does well against PU because you can avoid blowing up clones.

There is no tutorial on how to play Ele so I’ll assume the OP knows what he is doing and understands what I am saying in my post. You on the other hand must wanted me to break the entire fight down Barney style with a video?

Nah I was wondering how you target people in stealth 70% of the time with that scepter.

oZii.2864:

Swim.6830:

oZii.2864:

Grimreaper.5370:

oZii.2864:

People do complain about PU mesmers but most people know it’s a dueling build and you can ignore it when your out roaming.

This makes me sad, that one class kills another 1v1 based on class mechanic and not skill alone -.-

Well as other said it is possible with x/F so it would be build v build or more just change your offhand. The problem is also D/D ele’s greatest strength is it’s weakness in this fight.

The D/D ele is a PBAOE specialist. That PBAOE is awesome when your fighting a thief, kiting a chasing enemy etc. It’s why we don’t need to target for many of our skills which is an advantage it has over S/x. The on death traits from mesmers specifically punish this so here the D/D eles greatest strength becomes it’s weakness in this fight. S/x does well against PU mesmers because you just need to target the mesmer and can avoid blowing up the clones.

Yeah man, you just need to get him targeted and you got him beat!

Oh wait…

Did I say you win because you use S/x?

Oh wait….

I said S/x does well against PU because you can avoid blowing up clones.

There is no tutorial on how to play Ele so I’ll assume the OP knows what he is doing and understands what I am saying in my post. You on the other hand must wanted me to break the entire fight down Barney style with a video?

Definitely think s/f would be the best bet as well. But I want to do it with d/d because I love the feel of d/d, I don’t want to have to change weapons for mesmers in particular, its such a rare occasion I run into a good mesmer anyway. Next patch should be a lot nicer with the evade on burning speed, can counter the swap from ileap this way as well as shocking aura, or even start burning speed and then shocking aura before the blast hits.

This might sound a little absurd, but I wish there was more pro mesmers like this one I fought. It bugs me that I couldn’t keep trying to fight him because I couldn’t find em again I’m sure someone is going to comment on PU mesmer not being skilled, just OP, but he he was skilled.

Pro mesmers don’t usually play PU because it is extremely boring.

PU mesmers are easy.

#D/F.

Uhtameit.2413:

Pro mesmers don’t usually play PU because it is extremely boring.

Saekim plays it.

ShadowNinja.1238:

Uhtameit.2413:

Pro mesmers don’t usually play PU because it is extremely boring.

Saekim plays it.

Saekim is actually a nice guy I have seen him play no PU more old school phantasm spec.

oZii.2864:

ShadowNinja.1238:

Uhtameit.2413:

Pro mesmers don’t usually play PU because it is extremely boring.

Saekim plays it.

Saekim is actually a nice guy I have seen him play no PU more old school phantasm spec.

He’s PU.

1500 hours of elementalist but only a few hundred hours of experience pvping with elementalist. I have one idea of how to beat him as a D/D but you’ll kitten your damage. Plus unless you’re able to stick close to him and predict how he’s going to move while in stealth it won’t work.

It will come down to a few things,

What build they are using and what build you are using.

Now, there are several different variants of a “PU Build” as PU is just a trait. Most commonly, you will see something along the lines of sceptre/torch+staff/swordpistol, or some combination of them, coupled with perplexity/travellers runes. This will be a Condition build, or possibly a hybrid. There are also PU power based builds, using basically the same traits, but using damage gear and more damage focused weapons, such as sword/swordpistol+greatsword/swordtorch or some combination of them, most of the time, they will still have the on-death traits, but the condition pressure from them will be much less. PU power based builds mostly use travellers runes.

Lets see, fighting a PU condition build. Walk away. You will loose that fight if the Mesmer has any idea what they are doing.

Fighting a PU hybrid build, this one you have a bit more of a chance, if you manage to avoid their burst/kill the phantasms fast enough they will loose a lot of effectiveness. do damage and a lot of damage, keep as much pressure on them as possible and manage your conditions well is all I can offer here (I have not bothered trying a hybrid build)

Fighting a PU power based build. Burst, something like a freshair s/d build, aim to do as much damage as possible and kill them before they get their burst off. dodge the phantasms if you see them, the greatsword animation is easy to see and avoid, the sword/pistol not so much but its doable. When they stealth look at the direction they were running in, might give you an idea of where they are moving. If they use veil, they will stand near one of the ends of the veil and not move much until they can move through It again.

Most of the time, the Mesmer will win. I honestly see ele’s in WvW as free loot bags so go figure ^^

Fun fact that someone pulled it (finally). Warriors and thieves are meh, easy to read. Mesmers are the masters of duels and i would say that if you want to have chance with him, you have to have much condi removeals (even if he’s not condi spec, but immobilise + extra xxxxx condies from staff is hard to counter) without that i was dying alot (with good mesmers i’ve won maybe one on 5 duels). Found that condi spec is not as good vs ele as burst pu (but i always use ether renewal). What’s funny i did even a research on mesmer forum, where they were saying that in duels they’re op (many of them). What is hard vs them is their control ability and because of that it is reaaaaly hard to put good pressure on them (meaybe with thief it’s easier). Ah and one thing – mesmers staff destroys ele.

The PU condi mesmer is the biggest faceroll chees build ever made in the history of all the MMOS ever made. But it is possible to beat the kitten using this pathetic build. It’s all about your burst as a d/d ele. Use burning speed + lighting flash combo followed by a fire grab and use your CC’s smart. After the 15th patch you can switch builds wherever you are in the world, so in a duel situation you should go for Diamond skin.
Also these mesmer are very weak to condi dmg. A good engi/necro can beat them easy.
Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNxirzYOA2Y

Yep, Phantasm Mesmer or a good condition necro/engineer do counter PU condition Mesmers very well.

Eviscera.9703:

The PU condi mesmer is the biggest faceroll chees build ever made in the history of all the MMOS ever made. But it is possible to beat the kitten using this pathetic build. It’s all about your burst as a d/d ele. Use burning speed + lighting flash combo followed by a fire grab and use your CC’s smart. After the 15th patch you can switch builds wherever you are in the world, so in a duel situation you should go for Diamond skin.
Also these mesmer are very weak to condi dmg. A good engi/necro can beat them easy.
Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNxirzYOA2Y

Haha, I’ve seen this vid before, I did a lot of looking into mesmer vs ele vids recently. My opponent and I were on a much more serious calibur than these two IMO. That ele and mesmer in the vid you posted are mediocre, at least it appears that way from these few fights in this video. I could go into quite a bit of detail on why but I’m sure I’d just be wasting my breath…

Edit: I noticed Intigo does better in some of his other videos so maybe that vid in particular was just a bad demonstration.

I hope pu stays around and mesmer keep running it because if shatter becomes popular again among mesmer we are in a world of trouble as a d/d player. I would rather fight a PU mesmer then shatter mesmer on my ele any day.

Try out the new trait, Stone Heart, when it comes out. Immunity to crits will stop the bleeds from the clones which might help?

oZii.2864:

I hope pu stays around and mesmer keep running it because if shatter becomes popular again among mesmer we are in a world of trouble as a d/d player. I would rather fight a PU mesmer then shatter mesmer on my ele any day.

I disagree, I’d rather deal with shatter mesmer than PU. I don’t mind the chance of a fast death if it means not having to deal with as much stealth.

As mesmer main I can tell you a heavy condi pu mesmer can’t chase you. When you are low just run off to regen and reset the fight.

Grimreaper.5370:

oZii.2864:

I hope pu stays around and mesmer keep running it because if shatter becomes popular again among mesmer we are in a world of trouble as a d/d player. I would rather fight a PU mesmer then shatter mesmer on my ele any day.

I disagree, I’d rather deal with shatter mesmer than PU. I don’t mind the chance of a fast death if it means not having to deal with as much stealth.

Well in a duel it isn’t so bad because you die fast but in team fights shatters are going for the ele’s especially with remove boon on shatter. A shatter mesmer can render you useless if he focuses on you.

I admit it does catch me off guard though since I don’t see it often but the burst is crazy especially if you are in a fight with someone else. It rivals thief burst damage.

Anyway don’t want to derail I just hate shatter mesmers the most when I am on my ele.

Cavalier DD with Diamond Skin & Fury on aura / attuenment swap. Hard counter to all condi classes. I have made a point to B line for condi mesmers, necros, and engis. Learn to really land your opening burst to put em on defense and you’re good.

Grimreaper.5370:

oZii.2864:

People do complain about PU mesmers but most people know it’s a dueling build and you can ignore it when your out roaming.

This makes me sad, that one class kills another 1v1 based on class mechanic and not skill alone -.-

considering the Mesmer is the Dueling class, it makes sense. PU Mesmers arent unbeatable (I main Mes) they just have the advantage. Necro and Engis can fight PU mesmers just fine, so can a good Ranger. Ele simply is not built to 1v1 a mesmer, not saying you cant win, but one on one youre at a real disadvantage. However, id take 2 eles vs 2 mesmers any day