Guild Wars 2

When you have to use a conjured weapon and it does more damage and completely negates your classes special function, your class, ele, is kittening broken.

When your highest spike dps build revolves around a trait allowing you to abuse another trait for direct damage (ie: fresh air builds), your kittening class is broken.

When your skill tabs for fire and air state they are for heavy damage, damage which hasn’t been seen since beta, your kittening class is broken.

When your traits in every trait line generally punish your class for using its own special function, your class is kittening broken.

When you give a class the lowest armor and health, and consistently raise cooldowns, and lower damage and still expect it to have the highest skill ceiling, your class is kittening broken.

When you implement a class so complicated that it has no hope of being properly balanced against the rest of the remedial classes, your kittening game is broken on a fundamental level.

I will make no apologies for being rude about how things stand. I spent a lot of money for my collectors edition. I spent a lot of money in game. I can’t even log into this pile of dairy queen dog kitten swirl anymore for longer than 20 minutes without feeling sick about how kittening stupid a person has to be to make so many handicapped decisions on balancing.

The only reason this kitten pile is still installed is because I really enjoyed the first GW, and I spent a fair chunk of change on this one. At this point, I can’t justify spending anymore more money on this game, or any future expansions. Eventually I’ll finally give in, pile the collectors edition in the trash, uninstall, and move on for good. I keep coming back and hoping its worth another look, so far its just more trash piled on more trash. I see the gem store is really taking off though, that’s just kittening grand.

I agree with you about the conjured weapons… and I really don’t understand why Anet made the decision to improve those weapons so they’re better than the actual Elementalist class.

Everything else I disagree with. My Elementalist is not broken whatsoever, and I’m still doing massive damage even without full berserker gear. It seems like your hatred goes deeper than just complaining about the Elementalist class. It’s pretty apparent that you dislike certain aspects that aren’t related to the classes.

Axelifus.3269:

When your party’s in a speedrun;
drop it like it's hot drop it like it's hot drop it like it's hot.

When you’re up for rushin’ lupicus ;
Park it like it's hot park it like it's hot park it like it's hot.

And if the burrows get you gravelings ;
Pop it like it's hot pop it like it's hot pop it like it's hot

Got a conjure in my hand
And I’m pourin heal fields
And I roll the best deeps cuz no warriors are on~

Rose is red
Violet is blue
Balance is broken
Ele is free lootbags.

Galtrix.7369:

I agree with you about the conjured weapons… and I really don’t understand why Anet made the decision to improve those weapons so they’re better than the actual Elementalist class.

Everything else I disagree with. My Elementalist is not broken whatsoever, and I’m still doing massive damage even without full berserker gear. It seems like your hatred goes deeper than just complaining about the Elementalist class. It’s pretty apparent that you dislike certain aspects that aren’t related to the classes.

No, you are not.

It seems you just dislike playing an elementalist. Were you one of the people that jumped on the bandwagon when they were overpowered? And now that they are toned down you can’t play anymore and decided to come here to vent? Well… there is one very, very simple solution for you. Re-roll another class because this one, my dear friend, seems to be giving you a lot of trouble, from the amount of rage you have. A good friend of mine mains a D/D ele in WvW. He shares some frustration with people that are dissatisfied with certain things (like warrior CC being buffed, condi burst necros, ele nerfs, etc), but unlike many, he stayed on D/D despite the nerfs. He adapted and now he’s kicking kitten . I suggest you do the same, or… just… re-roll?

Elementalists suck. The class is broken. Anet’s team are all bad at their jobs and should be fired.

When you watch the lives stream in hope of some real fixes & they mention the new chef recipe that “is perfect for Elementalists…” available only from BLTC chests, & then realise you`re playing a pay2win class…

When you watch another live stream where they say they`re going to talk all about ele spells & how to use them, only to see some dumb dev sit there & read tooltips….

When you see loads whining that they can`t stop eles, yet they refuse to equip stuns/immobs on their bars & then rightfully predict that anet would nerf ele to cater to the care bears crowd…

When you finally see a list of changes, but they`re to conjures, which take up a slot that no elementalist in their right mind would ever consider wasting their time with….

When you spend months awaiting a balance patch so that you can return to the bgs, only to be given “fluff” patch note changes….

When you sigh with relief like I did today after TPing load of lowbie mats, sending higher mats to some I met in gw2 & Guild Wars, knowing that in a day or three it`ll get uninstalled & I`ll never have to tolerate this games joke of a balance team ever again

When you wish the remaining Eles best of luck, but knowingly doubt they`ll ever get what they deserved months ago & even as far back as beta.

Galtrix.7369:

I’m still doing massive damage even without full berserker gear.

You’re doing what you mistakenly believe is massive damage. Meanwhile, I’m Hurr Durr Blading my way through life 60,000 damage at a time.

I just came here to laugh at the guy saying he’s doing massive damage. My auto attacks on my warrior in a bunker build do more damage than an ele’s hardest hitting skills if they go glass. Some people are in such denial over how crappy this class has become.
Unless of course you don’t speak English very well and have mixed up the words massive and mediocre, then I’d have to agree with you there.
By the way, I believe the record so far is about 80k damage with 100b. Until we can hit that high with one of our skills on something that isn’t a rabbit, I won’t believe anything we can do is massive damage.

Caffynated.5713:

Galtrix.7369:

I’m still doing massive damage even without full berserker gear.

You’re doing what you mistakenly believe is massive damage. Meanwhile, I’m Hurr Durr Blading my way through life 60,000 damage at a time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITieQhX0MeE

In my 1000+ hours of playing guild wars 2, I have never seen such numbers except when I critic on a critter, so you are saying I should being lazy and make a warrior. I mean I have been telling people to roll warriors, but never actually did myself, I guess I am now.

It took them 6 (!!!) years to “fix” the PVE Elementalist in Guild Wars 1, it might take them 6 years to “fix” them in Guild Wars 2 as well. It’s 5 years too early to complain.

Until then, roll a Warrior.

Or don’t.

Maybe just get informed, learrn how to play, then stop complaining.

The video is impressive, true. It makes an ele sad, true. Still no reason for me to go play a warrior though. It looks amazingly boring and part of the reason why it’s so effective is because the higher base damage gets extra amplified through food.

Actually meteor shower can deal at least 66k+ damage on a single human-size target, under speedkill conditions. And I am not even taking all possible buffs into account (like potions, night or slaying sigils, and non-stacking bloodlust)

For your information, on a human sized target (45 radius), the chance for a meteor to hit is: [ ( meteor blast radius + target hitbox radius * 2 ) / ( shower radius ) ] ^ 2
so: [ ( 90 + 45 * 2 ) / ( 360) ] ^ 2 = 0.25 (25%)

This has been empirically tested and confirmed.

So on average 24 * 0.25 = 6 meteors will hit a single human-size target.
Each meteor hits with a coefficient of 1.3
So on average a target will receive a coefficient of 6 * 1.3 = 7.8
The cast time is 3.8s, with an extra animation time estimated at 0.3s

To compare: 100b has a total coefficient of 5.5 and a cast time of a little under 4s.

Now you want to guess how much damage you can deal with meteor shower on a target bigger than the size of a human?

Now THAT’S a post that certainly uplifts the spirits. :-)

Never mind that meteor shower takes 10 seconds to put out its damage and has a 30 second cooldown, while hurr durr blades can hit for 106k damage in 3.5 seconds with an 8 second cooldown.

Clearly comparable skills.

Axelifus.3269:

When your party’s in a speedrun;
drop it like it's hot drop it like it's hot drop it like it's hot.

Gameplay with deep mechanics.

When you’re up for rushin’ lupicus ;
Park it like it's hot park it like it's hot park it like it's hot.

An exploit

And if the burrows get you gravelings ;
Pop it like it's hot pop it like it's hot pop it like it's hot

They decreased the hitbox of trebuchet in Battle of Khylo because of that. Probably only reason why they didn’t nerf it in pve is because they don’t have dungeon team.

Got a conjure in my hand
And I’m pourin heal fields
And I roll the best deeps cuz no warriors are on~

Leecher build.

Zelyhn.8069:

Actually meteor shower can deal at least 66k+ damage on a single human-size target, under speedkill conditions. And I am not even taking all possible buffs into account (like potions, night or slaying sigils, and non-stacking bloodlust)

For your information, on a human sized target (45 radius), the chance for a meteor to hit is: [ ( meteor blast radius + target hitbox radius * 2 ) / ( shower radius ) ] ^ 2
so: [ ( 90 + 45 * 2 ) / ( 360) ] ^ 2 = 0.25 (25%)

This has been empirically tested and confirmed.

So on average 24 * 0.25 = 6 meteors will hit a single human-size target.
Each meteor hits with a coefficient of 1.3
So on average a target will receive a coefficient of 6 * 1.3 = 7.8
The cast time is 3.8s, with an extra animation time estimated at 0.3s

To compare: 100b has a total coefficient of 5.5 and a cast time of a little under 4s.

Now you want to guess how much damage you can deal with meteor shower on a target bigger than the size of a human?

Compare eviscerate to firegrab.

Caffynated.5713:

Never mind that meteor shower takes 10 seconds to put out its damage and has a 30 second cooldown, while hurr durr blades can hit for 106k damage in 3.5 seconds with an 8 second cooldown.

Clearly comparable skills.

Yeah but 100b requires you to be rooted and has melee range, while meteor shower has aoe etc etc, we are comparing the damage not the class.

100b is burst, meteor shower alone is not. I usually die before the meteor shower effect ends…

Zelyhn.8069:

Actually meteor shower can deal at least 66k+ damage on a single human-size target, under speedkill conditions. And I am not even taking all possible buffs into account (like potions, night or slaying sigils, and non-stacking bloodlust)

For your information, on a human sized target (45 radius), the chance for a meteor to hit is: [ ( meteor blast radius + target hitbox radius * 2 ) / ( shower radius ) ] ^ 2
so: [ ( 90 + 45 * 2 ) / ( 360) ] ^ 2 = 0.25 (25%)

This has been empirically tested and confirmed.

So on average 24 * 0.25 = 6 meteors will hit a single human-size target.
Each meteor hits with a coefficient of 1.3
So on average a target will receive a coefficient of 6 * 1.3 = 7.8
The cast time is 3.8s, with an extra animation time estimated at 0.3s

To compare: 100b has a total coefficient of 5.5 and a cast time of a little under 4s.

Now you want to guess how much damage you can deal with meteor shower on a target bigger than the size of a human?

Sounds awesome mate!
Can you share that build?

You’re more likely to be killed or interrupted while casting MS than killing a moving human target. Nevertheless, it works fine on structures and giant sitting bosses.

haviz.1340:

Compare eviscerate to firegrab.

It’s like having a managerial job versus playing roulette in a suburban casino in Syria while being underage.

Zelyhn.8069:

Actually meteor shower can deal at least 66k+ damage on a single human-size target, under speedkill conditions. And I am not even taking all possible buffs into account (like potions, night or slaying sigils, and non-stacking bloodlust)

For your information, on a human sized target (45 radius), the chance for a meteor to hit is: [ ( meteor blast radius + target hitbox radius * 2 ) / ( shower radius ) ] ^ 2
so: [ ( 90 + 45 * 2 ) / ( 360) ] ^ 2 = 0.25 (25%)

This has been empirically tested and confirmed.

So on average 24 * 0.25 = 6 meteors will hit a single human-size target.
Each meteor hits with a coefficient of 1.3
So on average a target will receive a coefficient of 6 * 1.3 = 7.8
The cast time is 3.8s, with an extra animation time estimated at 0.3s

To compare: 100b has a total coefficient of 5.5 and a cast time of a little under 4s.

Now you want to guess how much damage you can deal with meteor shower on a target bigger than the size of a human?

Humans doesnt stand for 15sec in GW2. And how did you calcualte the 66k?

Humans don’t let warriors get close, they don’t let warriors channel for 4s without interruption or breaking free, etc etc, can we stick to comparing damage?

Once you have the average coefficient for the cast just use the damage formula. I used a 30/20/10/10/0 build for the 66k, and I did not include all buffs.

Still without including all buffs, a 0/25/25/20 build would do 80k (swap to water at the beginning of the cast).

Edit: I can get to 87k with full buffs (mainly adding sigils of night and slaying to my previous calculation)

haviz.1340:

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About as stupid as it works really, your sig alone proves it.
Then again its still more fun than playing a warrior, that class is boring as balls.

p.s. plz fix stuff anet

Axelifus.3269:

About as stupid as it works really, your sig alone proves it.
Then again its still more fun than playing a warrior, that class is boring as balls.

p.s. plz fix stuff anet

This could be only my opinion but warrior is more fun than lh ele.

haviz.1340:

Axelifus.3269:

About as stupid as it works really, your sig alone proves it.
Then again its still more fun than playing a warrior, that class is boring as balls.

p.s. plz fix stuff anet

This could be only my opinion but warrior is more fun than lh ele.

True, but generally speaking ele is easily among the top “fun” classes to play in a sense of challenge and variety.

Which is prolly why people still bother with it instead of massively rolling warriors or rangers lol.

Well I did go and made a warrior, insta-leveled to 20 with some thing i had in my bank, used 80 skillpoint items for utilities, got level 20 white gear and went into wvw. 4x signets obviously, because I hadn’t played it at all and didn’t feel like learning 4 utilities too.

In a nutshell : IGNORANCE IS BLISS!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wish i never did this. This 5-minutes-old character was VERY close to my elementalist in the best gear available. He out-heals my ele even. It feels like enjoying your toy train until you see the new XBOX 1080 that the kid next door just got.

For those that think I shouldn’t moan, here is proper scientific research about the need for proper rewards : http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HL45pVdsRvE

Now when you are done laughing at animal abuse, tell that monkey that gets the cucumber he shouldn’t moan. He should still be pleased with it, right? We are fundamentally not wired that way. This video also does wonders during pay negotiations with your boss

haviz.1340:

Axelifus.3269:

About as stupid as it works really, your sig alone proves it.
Then again its still more fun than playing a warrior, that class is boring as balls.

p.s. plz fix stuff anet

This could be only my opinion but warrior is more fun than lh ele.

But the thunder effects makes it feel like you’re doing more!

Pretty sure the gfx is the only reason why some people refuse to go engi for wvw and spvp when it’s the superior ele.

Axelifus.3269:

haviz.1340:

Axelifus.3269:

About as stupid as it works really, your sig alone proves it.
Then again its still more fun than playing a warrior, that class is boring as balls.

p.s. plz fix stuff anet

This could be only my opinion but warrior is more fun than lh ele.

True, but generally speaking ele is easily among the top “fun” classes to play in a sense of challenge and variety.

Which is prolly why people still bother with it instead of massively rolling warriors or rangers lol.

Well playing D/D with evasive arcana and 25 points in water is indeed fun.

Unfortunately your inability to move and impact battles outcome makes all the effort useless and unfun.

And that is why people complained about some NERF that made ele UNFUN most of all!
Also the reason why some players sees the conjured buffs as a gimmick to avoid balancing the profession…

Its like a class overhaul just negating the 20 skill stuff and asking to play with 2 out of 5.

Frye.4608:

Well I did go and made a warrior, insta-leveled to 20 with some thing i had in my bank, used 80 skillpoint items for utilities, got level 20 white gear and went into wvw. 4x signets obviously, because I hadn’t played it at all and didn’t feel like learning 4 utilities too.

In a nutshell : IGNORANCE IS BLISS!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wish i never did this. This 5-minutes-old character was VERY close to my elementalist in the best gear available. He out-heals my ele even. It feels like enjoying your toy train until you see the new XBOX 1080 that the kid next door just got.

For those that think I shouldn’t moan, here is proper scientific research about the need for proper rewards : http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HL45pVdsRvE

Now when you are done laughing at animal abuse, tell that monkey that gets the cucumber he shouldn’t moan. He should still be pleased with it, right? We are fundamentally not wired that way. This video also does wonders during pay negotiations with your boss

You deserve a medal! That video is awesome.

Zelyhn.8069:

Caffynated.5713:

Never mind that meteor shower takes 10 seconds to put out its damage and has a 30 second cooldown, while hurr durr blades can hit for 106k damage in 3.5 seconds with an 8 second cooldown.

Clearly comparable skills.

Yeah but 100b requires you to be rooted and has melee range, while meteor shower has aoe etc etc, we are comparing the damage not the class.

ya, and who is going to stand and yet a meteor hit them. Let’s assume best case, another player roots your attack, the is still a slim chance that none of the attacks will actually hit you.

I know you will never admit it, but you cannot ignore that the warrior has way more dps for less works guranteered than hoping that a meteor hits you and it still does less damage.

zencow.3651:

haviz.1340:

Axelifus.3269:

About as stupid as it works really, your sig alone proves it.
Then again its still more fun than playing a warrior, that class is boring as balls.

p.s. plz fix stuff anet

This could be only my opinion but warrior is more fun than lh ele.

But the thunder effects makes it feel like you’re doing more!

Pretty sure the gfx is the only reason why some people refuse to go engi for wvw and spvp when it’s the superior ele.

Reason I made & stuck with the ele is because I`m a stubborn old git, I hate having alts.
(warcraft I mained fire mage, very close to d/d ele style, had alt shadowpest & foolkin for just pottering about, barely got touched.
in Aion, mained Sorcerer, with a couple random others for duelling mate for giggles.
Even bf3 I only had one, support I think.
But in gw2 I`ve felt more forced to make alts then in any other game, ever!)

Staff is still kittene & will remain so post patch, because if someone is determined to get you, they can with ease.
Meteor shower is still rng on long cast time, to get decent damage, you`ll have to go towards gc which means one shot more often then not, waste of a character queue on reset ngihts.
Oh, except you`ll get nagged for static field so they can have aoe speed, despite it is there to save your scrawny kitten ;p
Necro excels for match reset, as does mesmer. Ranger can, I guess, rarely use mine.
We all know how kittenedly op thief & warrior are…

/rant

Anyhoe…

Oddly, I`ve an engie, lower gear then my main ele, yet it can go more towards dps then tanky because of in built blocks, stealth, stuns, interrupts etc.
Even though range is 900 (P/SD) you`re mobility is huuugely superior to an ele.
You also get just as many if not more heals then the usual ele can, & some condi cleanses at same time.

It really is amazing we don`t see more of the engies on the battlefield, but I guess that`s a good thing of sorts ;p

Oddly, my first engie got deleted because I saw how kitten the downed state was.
Then I made another & realised, you can kill things whilst downed, whereas ele downed state remains a yellow cloud of kitten

Indeed I won’t admit this, not because it is untrue but because this is not what we are discussing here.

Someone made a claim that no ele can deal damage comparable to that of 100b in a single attack, I proved it wrong.

If we start discussing anything more than this, like class designs, then this conversation will never end. We do not have the skills or the knowledge to solve the “grand equation of classes” across all game modes and in all types of content. All we can do is compare simple concepts.

Zelyhn.8069:

Indeed I won’t admit this, not because it is untrue but because this is not what we are discussing here.

Someone made a claim that no ele can deal damage comparable to that of 100b in a single attack, I proved it wrong.

If we start discussing anything more than this, like class designs, then this conversation will never end. We do not have the skills or the knowledge to solve the “grand equation of classes” across all game modes and in all types of content. All we can do is compare simple concepts.

You didn’t prove anything, you just rattled off some numbers you made up. Find a video or find a new lie.

Hmm interesting statement ARM! Would you care to let me know which number I made up? That would enlighten my evening greatly

ARM.3912:

Zelyhn.8069:

Indeed I won’t admit this, not because it is untrue but because this is not what we are discussing here.

Someone made a claim that no ele can deal damage comparable to that of 100b in a single attack, I proved it wrong.

If we start discussing anything more than this, like class designs, then this conversation will never end. We do not have the skills or the knowledge to solve the “grand equation of classes” across all game modes and in all types of content. All we can do is compare simple concepts.

You didn’t prove anything, you just rattled off some numbers you made up. Find a video or find a new lie.

his always like that -.- no proof all talk and trolling…. its freaking annoying to discuss with him becouse of his bs, so just give it up early.

Erebus.7568:

ARM.3912:

Zelyhn.8069:

Indeed I won’t admit this, not because it is untrue but because this is not what we are discussing here.

Someone made a claim that no ele can deal damage comparable to that of 100b in a single attack, I proved it wrong.

If we start discussing anything more than this, like class designs, then this conversation will never end. We do not have the skills or the knowledge to solve the “grand equation of classes” across all game modes and in all types of content. All we can do is compare simple concepts.

You didn’t prove anything, you just rattled off some numbers you made up. Find a video or find a new lie.

his always like that -.- no proof all talk and trolling…. its freaking annoying to discuss with him becouse of his bs, so just give it up early.

I feel like he is a paid shill design to give new or uninformed ele misinformation.

I have a strong feeling I am the one being trolled here

Best ele build is lava tomb + lightning hammer suicide build. With “blasting staff” trait and of course permanently in water attunement :p (It’s been common knowledge that Eles using more than 1 attunement are considered oddities by the devs after all).
I recommend food that gives +100% downed health, enjoy the class that has an awesome build specifically for dying (at least if you want to deal damage without getting wrist surgery).^^

Caffynated.5713:

Galtrix.7369:

I’m still doing massive damage even without full berserker gear.

You’re doing what you mistakenly believe is massive damage. Meanwhile, I’m Hurr Durr Blading my way through life 60,000 damage at a time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITieQhX0MeE

MY EYES!!!! DX

Caffynated.5713:

Galtrix.7369:

I’m still doing massive damage even without full berserker gear.

You’re doing what you mistakenly believe is massive damage. Meanwhile, I’m Hurr Durr Blading my way through life 60,000 damage at a time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITieQhX0MeE

MY EYES!! DX

Zelyhn.8069:

I have a strong feeling I am the one being trolled here

Yeah that explains why you have posted sooo many videos of an ele doing anywhere near warrior damage… oh wait!

The fact that I don’t post videos doesn’t take away the fact that an elem can do 100b worth of damage in a single attack.

Those damages would be more useful if not diluted over time and space.

Well rather than arguing here are some videos both with full zerker gear/ruby orbs

My warrior with an eviserate build 30/10/0/0/30 or 30/0/0/10/30 i can’t remember which one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3pxbz9iDPw

and here is my ele 30/20/10/10/0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cweodSfCc-E

had trouble pulling the risen brute away so i tried again later and attempt 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFHyqDJvonA

and attempt 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfGSq-9VRGg

Comparing classes versus comparing specific skill’s damage …

Hey I think Poland > Italy
Bam! endless debate
But if I say Italy’s GDP per capita > Poland’s GDP per capita the debate takes 5 seconds.

How about we stick to things we can accurately measure?

Haha i liked how the risen sat still in the first seconds before getting hit. I still think that it would be better for staff to be able to reduce the aoe of MS for less rng damage.