Guild Wars 2

I was still here but i almost quit ele :|
Passed to Phantasm pve mesmer (not the pvp build) and i m still asking why i wasted so much time trying to make a broken thing work….

(PvE)

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

You stated that not going full zerker makes you useless and D/D doesn’t do enough damage. Yet in wvw and dungeons I’ve been hitting 2-3,5k dmg with auto-attacking alone and 8k firegrab, 7k churning earth(add to that bleeding which does the same amount of damage but over time). The large amount of AoE might you can give

yes a D/D ele can waste a 10 command combo to give aoe in a circle..

With my mesmer i just press “7” and do the same with a “signet that gives me also boons”

www is too much different from pve so i ll tallk of pve.

I seriously doubt your numbers in arah/high lvl fotms……
And there is a huge incoherence between your autoattack damage and churning/FG

WWW damage dealt is obviously way higher than PvE.

The sad part is in full zerker with 25 might and a warrior banner you deal about 10.000 Firegrab (5000 if you go Knight).

That is unreasonable for many things:
1st) its too low for a burst…..it makes you unable to contribute to dps walls in game.
2nd) being melee with a zerker in light is even worse to have such a low dps
3rd) cooldown is again unreasonable
4th) you simply can t or should not melee in most situation

at the same time i do 10-12.000 dps/8seconds with just 1 phantasm of a mesmer :|
(i can have 3 and add mesmer damage)

Really you can be really good with ele and seem superskilled and have lot of compliments and stuff.

But if you are experienced enough you start seeing how behind all the shiny moves you are not doing your part both damage than support Wyse.

SoliSnake.9457:

other class do mode dps? more support? who care :P, if you are a true ele all the other class is like play immobile

That is the other reason why i quit ele.
Post patch is slow too slow and mistform nerf was too much.

But mostly there are dps walls in the game
That paired with the fact that dps burst can negate damage and its the only viable pve tactic in this current broken meta.

You have few seconds at fotm 48 for ex to clear elementals…..you can be so good and survive everything but in the end your party dies because your dps was not enough and your support is useless.

Or again you canread the future and survive ascalon veterans (fractals again) but they regen more than you do if you happen to have to kill one without npcs…

with full zerker 25 might and war banner my firegrab do more then 13k, personal record is 21k in coe and 24k churning heart

already doned shaman 48 with knight and my team got no many problem to kill him we were ele 2 war guard and dont remember last1

SoliSnake.9457:

2 war

this is the problem…..

You had an OP party…your contribution was probably unnoticeable.

Try again without warriors and max 1 guardian

There is an undeniable proof to that….
There are so much bad players at fotm 48 today that have been brought by OP party that is clear reward level is not proving anything .-.

With my ele i almost never die at shaman i can survive it and elmentals alone at 48 for minutes…
With my mesmer i go often downed….

I never doubt who is the better at that fractal….
Mesmer actually KILLS lot of elementals and provide shields/reflects/tw for the party.

Ele is just a moving target with a short party absorb with a long CD.

P.S: throwing numbers is useless…
You should know the difference in damage between coe mobs and for example champion ettin in fotm

Lots of funny stuff here.

• Mesmer has better dps than just a ranger so I wouldn’t compare mesmer to ele.
• Hitting for 8k firegrab is pathetically low and might have been decent if it had been done in TA.
• d/d ele is hardly the most difficult weapon set. Exactly what makes it difficult? 300-600 range?
• Bosses on higher fractals have same armour as those on low levels. Only hp and damage increases.

play a d\d ele full zeker aint so much easy

haviz.1340:

Lots of funny stuff here.

• Mesmer has better dps than just a ranger so I wouldn’t compare mesmer to ele.
• Hitting for 8k firegrab is pathetically low and might have been decent if it had been done in TA.
• d/d ele is hardly the most difficult weapon set. Exactly what makes it difficult? 300-600 range?
• Bosses on higher fractals have same armour as those on low levels. Only hp and damage increases.

1) mesmer is still low dps to compensate for utilities (ele don t have), in theory ranger has way more dps….in practice pet are an issue.
warrior/thief/guardian for example each outdps an ele by a lot…
2) agree
3) in PVE it is without ANY doubt……what makes it difficult? LOCKED in short range (afaik air 1 is not 300) with no surviving mechanic, NO decent stability uptime, NO projectile reflect at all and awful defence utilities…..
And skills like fire 3 earth 3 that are vital, have a long time that Leaves you vulnerable to oneshotting Attacks from mobs…

4) dunno i play only 40+ since a lot…..i just know that you hit way higher cof/arah etc than many fotm bosses or Champions…

5)how can people still be in denial despite even devs PRE NERF told how bad ele is PvE…..(and the nerf hit hard as you know)

the point is if somone here thinks ele is fine pve i personally don t think there s a chance for a discussion.

SoliSnake.9457:

play a d\d ele full zeker aint so much easy

It is. Speaking from experience.

LordByron.8369:

1) mesmer is still low dps to compensate for utilities (ele don t have), in theory ranger has way more dps….in practice pet are an issue.
warrior/thief/guardian for example each outdps an ele by a lot…
2) agree
3) in PVE it is without ANY doubt……what makes it difficult? LOCKED in short range (afaik air 1 is not 300) with no surviving mechanic, NO decent stability uptime, NO projectile reflect at all and awful defence utilities…..
And skills like fire 3 earth 3 that are vital, have a long time that Leaves you vulnerable to oneshotting Attacks from mobs…

4) dunno i play only 40+ since a lot…..i just know that you hit way higher cof/arah etc than many fotm bosses or Champions…

5)how can people still be in denial despite even devs PRE NERF told how bad ele is PvE…..(and the nerf hit hard as you know)

the point is if somone here thinks ele is fine pve i personally don t think there s a chance for a discussion.

1) If you have triple cantrips as your utility than yes, mesmer has much more utilites.

3) So how’s that different from any dual melee set when your skills have 130 range? Air has 300 range.

4) I play 50+ and they have same armour. Your pugs can’t properly stack mights/fury/vulns.

5) Never have I said that ele doesn’t need help in pve.

sure ele need some buff, but if the buff mean change our play stile then the answer is no chage pls

haviz.1340:

SoliSnake.9457:

play a d\d ele full zeker aint so much easy

It is. Speaking from experience.

Speaking from experience too, i play ele w\o problem but have see to many d\d ele fail(dont talk about the mono-fire, they are another class)

Imo for pve anything less than full zerker I consider it to be a waste of dmg. All the instance are easy if you know all the mechanics behind the mobs/bosses etc. Play with the various wep the ele possess and know at what occasion/settings one is more useful than the others. Don’t stick with one weapon set for all pve contents, become a better ele than that.

lol change weapon set is normal thats why we dont talk about it

LordByron.8369:

I was still here but i almost quit ele :|
Passed to Phantasm pve mesmer (not the pvp build) and i m still asking why i wasted so much time trying to make a broken thing work….

(PvE)

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

You stated that not going full zerker makes you useless and D/D doesn’t do enough damage. Yet in wvw and dungeons I’ve been hitting 2-3,5k dmg with auto-attacking alone and 8k firegrab, 7k churning earth(add to that bleeding which does the same amount of damage but over time). The large amount of AoE might you can give

yes a D/D ele can waste a 10 command combo to give aoe in a circle..

With my mesmer i just press “7” and do the same with a “signet that gives me also boons”

www is too much different from pve so i ll tallk of pve.

I seriously doubt your numbers in arah/high lvl fotms……
And there is a huge incoherence between your autoattack damage and churning/FG

WWW damage dealt is obviously way higher than PvE.

The sad part is in full zerker with 25 might and a warrior banner you deal about 10.000 Firegrab (5000 if you go Knight).

That is unreasonable for many things:
1st) its too low for a burst…..it makes you unable to contribute to dps walls in game.
2nd) being melee with a zerker in light is even worse to have such a low dps
3rd) cooldown is again unreasonable
4th) you simply can t or should not melee in most situation

at the same time i do 10-12.000 dps/8seconds with just 1 phantasm of a mesmer :|
(i can have 3 and add mesmer damage)

Really you can be really good with ele and seem superskilled and have lot of compliments and stuff.

But if you are experienced enough you start seeing how behind all the shiny moves you are not doing your part both damage than support Wyse.

SoliSnake.9457:

other class do mode dps? more support? who care :P, if you are a true ele all the other class is like play immobile

That is the other reason why i quit ele.
Post patch is slow too slow and mistform nerf was too much.

But mostly there are dps walls in the game
That paired with the fact that dps burst can negate damage and its the only viable pve tactic in this current broken meta.

You have few seconds at fotm 48 for ex to clear elementals…..you can be so good and survive everything but in the end your party dies because your dps was not enough and your support is useless.

Or again you canread the future and survive ascalon veterans (fractals again) but they regen more than you do if you happen to have to kill one without npcs…

Did another guild run in Arah today, 2 wariors, 1 guardian, 1 mesmer and me.
I did the most burst damage, stayed alive just as much as the bunker guardian and warior.

With Fiery Greatsword though its not permanent and only possible in certain situations you can hit 16k on a 5 sec cooldown with skill no. 3 without a single piece of zerker gear. With our constant atunement swapping, boon duration runes and AoE might we can give ourselves close to 25 might with the attacks we use to do damage without having to kitten our survivability. I can still heal allies for several thousand hp, give them auras to mitigate damage or stun enemies or give swiftness and fury.

And with the mightstacks up even without zerker gear you can hit between the 2.5 and 4k dmg with auto-attack in air and fire. (earth only does around 1k and water 1.5-2k.

I do agree that mesmer is strong and has a ton of utility. With their clones and phantasms they can go full zerker and not sweat. D/D elementalists only equip zerker gear if they feel like suiciding much thus getting downed and having to rezzed and being a burden to the party.

1-5 changes to each traitline in the game?! straps herself in This is going to be quite a ride lol.

haviz.1340:

Lots of funny stuff here.

• Mesmer has better dps than just a ranger so I wouldn’t compare mesmer to ele.
• Hitting for 8k firegrab is pathetically low and might have been decent if it had been done in TA.
• d/d ele is hardly the most difficult weapon set. Exactly what makes it difficult? 300-600 range?
• Bosses on higher fractals have same armour as those on low levels. Only hp and damage increases.

Yes mesmer does more dmg
yes 8k firegrab isn’t amazing but since its only one link in the chain that is the elementalist burst its not bad.
D/D ele is hard because you have to try and heal around allies, dodge (obviously), use fire fields to the max and all that at a pretty high pace.

Though without the boons I would have to agree that the elementalist is really really underpowered. and with all the boonhate and upcoming boonhate I see that hurting us in the long run.

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

Yes mesmer does more dmg

Comparing fastest known to me times of lupi solo done by both classes it’s ele with 15 minutes and mesmer with 17 minutes and that’s an encounter where projectile reflections are highly favourable. Mesmer could do more damage if his phantasms weren’t dying from a sneeze and weren’t mostly single-targetted. No one takes mesmer for damage.

haviz.1340:

1) If you have triple cantrips as your utility than yes, mesmer has much more utilites.

Gratz you killed again any way to talk….

You are not saying explicitly…but you are implying that ele utilities is somohow comparable to a mesmer.

Now the earth is not flat and i won t discuss it.
As other things you implied and then hide behing wordplay.

And about soloing you perfectly know how pointless it is.

haviz.1340:

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

Yes mesmer does more dmg

Comparing fastest known to me times of lupi solo done by both classes it’s ele with 15 minutes and mesmer with 17 minutes and that’s an encounter where projectile reflections are highly favourable. Mesmer could do more damage if his phantasms weren’t dying from a sneeze and weren’t mostly single-targetted. No one takes mesmer for damage.

Interesting, didn’t know that.
Wouldn’t a shatter/confusion build work better than one based on phantasms?

@LordByron
Elementalists have good utilities for survivability but they can mostly only be used for yourself (unless you don’t count lightning flash to downed ally and then mist form rezzing them).
Mesmers have portal which is great in some parts of some dungeons, time warp which is amazing but they don’t give boons to allies or heal allies like the elementalist does. They can give stealth to party but again on a very high cooldown.
If you only look at the numbers the mesmer does more damage but the effective damage of elementalist and mesmer in pve is comparable. (incomparable in pvp, ever watched the profession versus profession matches? 3-0 for mesmers, all eles with same build too)

Comparing fastest known to me times of lupi solo done by both classes it’s ele with 15 minutes and mesmer with 17 minutes and that’s an encounter where projectile reflections are highly favourable. Mesmer could do more damage if his phantasms weren’t dying from a sneeze and weren’t mostly single-targetted. No one takes mesmer for damage.

Superficial analisys
1) at lupicus mesmer reflects are just USELESS because lupicus model is huge.
2) ele has lot of personal reflects/evasions that despite being not that good in a party, they are decent for soloing.
3)if nbody takes mesmer for dps and mesmer does more dps than ele than there is a problem

@LordByron
Elementalists have good utilities for survivability but they can mostly only be used for yourself (unless you don’t count lightning flash to downed ally and then mist form rezzing them).
Mesmers have portal which is great in some parts of some dungeons, time warp which is amazing but they don’t give boons to allies or heal allies like the elementalist does. They can give stealth to party but again on a very high cooldown.
If you only look at the numbers the mesmer does more damage but the effective damage of elementalist and mesmer in pve is comparable. (incomparable in pvp, ever watched the profession versus profession matches? 3-0 for mesmers, all eles with same build too)

You are watching numbers and commenting a part of the game you obviously don t play:
PvP is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from PvE…..that is why warrior is OP in PvE and UP in PvP.

portal is used to cheat or in cof1 stop.

Mesmer has just everything as utilities.
3 stealths
80% area reflect UPTIME
a lot of debuffs (autoattack and glamour)
timewarp

This without giving up dps that despite being not stellar its better than ele….

Obvioulsy the fact that you use the word “healing” means you play lot of pvp maybe www but never pve.

Healing is just useless in pve and elementalist healing is “admantly uneffective”.
Just to quote devs once again……

its not about number its about knowing how pve works and not try to manipulate superficial data…….

The more stuff you consider, the more you avoid having more than 1 ele in party and if possible not taking ele at all…

Only nice thing is his healing combo is useful against MAW agony…..that is all

LordByron.8369:

SoliSnake.9457:

2 war

this is the problem…..

Stating Elems are fine because they suck less if party sucks is interesting.

LordByron.8369:

Superficial analisys
1) at lupicus mesmer reflects are just USELESS because lupicus model is huge.
2) ele has lot of personal reflects/evasions that despite being not that good in a party, they are decent for soloing.
3)if nbody takes mesmer for dps and mesmer does more dps than ele than there is a problem

You obviosuly lack experience/expertise here. If doing about 150-200k dmg every 32s while being immune to damage is useless then I lack words comment that. On top of that, eles reflects don’t work there unless you use them in conjuction with mistform/obsidian flesh. If you think ele has a lot of reflects/evasions, please check mesmer again. And again, people take mesmer for utility. Play one for a change and tell me how high are your deeps.

haviz.1340:

You obviosuly lack experience/expertise here. If doing about 150-200k dmg every 32s while being immune to damage is useless then

Until they patch the glitch….your trolling attempt is clearer now…cya

LordByron.8369:

Until they patch the glitch….your trolling attempt is clearer now…cya

What glitch? Using reflects on projectiles is now a glitch, yay! Few months back I read that dodging was an exploit.

Watch this and stop making a fool of yourself.

Sure Elementalists need some buff up but they aint that bad. Go look at the necro, engi, warr threads. Every single person on this game complains, amazing.

Ah and by the way, you are discussing PVE stuff. Who cares if you do more damage to Lupicus with a mesmer than with a Ele? In tpvp or WvW Ele can do things that Mesmer cant. And Mesmer can do things that Eles cant. WHy are you even comparing? You dont like the Ele? Just change. Too hard for you go get good combos? Change! Go the easy way, but why is complaining always the first choice?

haviz.1340:

LordByron.8369:

Until they patch the glitch….your trolling attempt is clearer now…cya

What glitch? Using reflects on projectiles is now a glitch, yay! Few months back I read that dodging was an exploit.

Watch this and stop making a fool of yourself.

i am tired to answer to your trolling….

I ll just give 4 reasons:
1) how that prove something about dps?
2) old tom <==
3) legendary dredge suit <==
4) phase 2

……who was the fool?
Oh maybe you don t even understand the answer…..play some pve and you will find.

@knox:

Because there are 3 things in this broken PvE meta:
a) dps
b) damage negation (antiprojectiles, Aegis and stuff)
c) ressing potential

the “viable” pve classes can do mostly everything in there with a single build
Eles can do only 1 of them © and to do that gives out every dps potential….

And talking about D/D can t do even that…so basically excluding fun, nobody would ever take a D/D ele to a dungeon if its about “efficiency” (that doesn t mean speedruns).

And tell me warriors complain they are uneffective in PvE…..they don t have the courage…..only few thieves could even have that courage….

Dude, whats the point complaining on PVE? Who cares if you give 15k on a champion or 8k ? Are you serious? PVE, really? kitten

Every class has his place and his damage. Some of you dont even know how to trait your elementalist, im sure of that. Im sure that there are people here that run the famous traits for DD and play WvW with staff then u say “oh i dont give enough damage”

Please.. Elementalists are not supposed to have the Warrior burst, what are you talking about Bryon? Why are you even comparing classes? Your argument fails when you have to compare an elementalist skill with a warrior skill. Full zerk warrior cant even kill a bunker elementalist. You think thats fair? I dont and i believe that as the highest dps on the game they have more things to complain then the elementalists, who btw are great in WvW and spvp. I dont care about if people dont take you to a dungeon. The reason why people go 4 Warr + 1 Mesmer for cof its because its the faster way. Period, no time to argue on that. You can complain on more important things, but complaining about pve? Give me a break..

LordByron.8369:

i am tired to answer to your trolling….

I ll just give 4 reasons:
1) how that prove something about dps?
2) old tom <==
3) legendary dredge suit <==
4) phase 2

……who was the fool?
Oh maybe you don t even understand the answer…..play some pve and you will find.

I don’t even know what you’re moaning about now, it’s really hard to decipher. Are you saying that mesmer has more dps and utility than ele in those enounters? Maybe your ele is that bad…

Knox.3748:

Dude, whats the point complaining on PVE? Who cares if you give 15k on a champion or 8k ? Are you serious? PVE, really? kitten

Dare to come this eveing in fotm 48 to show me how good you are in this easy pve?
lvl 48 fotm run we start with volcanic fractal…no guardians admitted.
We don t want an OP profession to ruin our fun with an easy run.

There you are comparing classes, you just cant have a good argument can you? By the way, what are you arguing anyway? Like haviz said, maybe your ele is bad :/

haviz.1340:

LordByron.8369:

i am tired to answer to your trolling….

I ll just give 4 reasons:
1) how that prove something about dps?
2) old tom <==
3) legendary dredge suit <==
4) phase 2

……who was the fool?
Oh maybe you don t even understand the answer…..play some pve and you will find.

I don’t even know what you’re moaning about now, it’s really hard to decipher. Are you saying that mesmer has more dps and utility than ele in those enounters? Maybe your ele is that bad…

because you should not even ever talk of pve nor say FOOL to anyone.

That video shows feedback on lupicus

Same IDENTICAL thing used to works on various bosses.

1st anet removed the damage from reflected projectile (NB only on multimple projectiles not single ones)

Then on april 30th proceeded to make the undestructible…

Seems clear that such amount of damage is “unintended” and will be patched as they will notice it.

There was a debate wether or not reflecting fields weren t infact supposed to reflect projectiles.

The answer is they are not supposed to negate boss mechanics as dredge, old tom And……..lupicus!

Knox.3748:

There you are comparing classes, you just cant have a good argument can you? By the way, what are you arguing anyway? Like haviz said, maybe your ele is bad :/

i am comparing PVE classes and meta..telling why ele PVE <=== needs serious buffs expecially D/D.

You answered:

i bet you are bad in www and pve is so easy…..
._.

How should i have replied?
42?

Nop, i never said that. And im done talking with you. You are discussing PVE, nothing new here people. Just another guy who thinks his class must be buffed. Im moving on

LordByron.8369:

because you should not even ever talk of pve nor say FOOL to anyone.

Why shouldn’t I talk about pve? Are you self-proclaimed bestest pver? Check this great qoute of yours:

at lupicus mesmer reflects are just USELESS because lupicus model is huge.

That’s why I called you a fool since you said the most stupid thing I’ve read on these forums since december. Keep up the good work!

That video shows feedback on lupicus

Same IDENTICAL thing used to works on various bosses.

1st anet removed the damage from reflected projectile (NB only on multimple projectiles not single ones)

Then on april 30th proceeded to make the undestructible…

Seems clear that such amount of damage is “unintended” and will be patched as they will notice it.

There was a debate wether or not reflecting fields weren t infact supposed to reflect projectiles.

The answer is they are not supposed to negate boss mechanics as dredge, old tom And……..lupicus!

I showed you that video exactly because it’s about projectile reflections. Do you have some issues with reading comprehension? Even with those reflections mesmer killed lupi slower than ele without reflects.

LordByron.8369:

Comparing fastest known to me times of lupi solo done by both classes it’s ele with 15 minutes and mesmer with 17 minutes and that’s an encounter where projectile reflections are highly favourable. Mesmer could do more damage if his phantasms weren’t dying from a sneeze and weren’t mostly single-targetted. No one takes mesmer for damage.

Superficial analisys
1) at lupicus mesmer reflects are just USELESS because lupicus model is huge.
2) ele has lot of personal reflects/evasions that despite being not that good in a party, they are decent for soloing.
3)if nbody takes mesmer for dps and mesmer does more dps than ele than there is a problem

@LordByron
Elementalists have good utilities for survivability but they can mostly only be used for yourself (unless you don’t count lightning flash to downed ally and then mist form rezzing them).
Mesmers have portal which is great in some parts of some dungeons, time warp which is amazing but they don’t give boons to allies or heal allies like the elementalist does. They can give stealth to party but again on a very high cooldown.
If you only look at the numbers the mesmer does more damage but the effective damage of elementalist and mesmer in pve is comparable. (incomparable in pvp, ever watched the profession versus profession matches? 3-0 for mesmers, all eles with same build too)

You are watching numbers and commenting a part of the game you obviously don t play:
PvP is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from PvE…..that is why warrior is OP in PvE and UP in PvP.

portal is used to cheat or in cof1 stop.

Mesmer has just everything as utilities.
3 stealths
80% area reflect UPTIME
a lot of debuffs (autoattack and glamour)
timewarp

This without giving up dps that despite being not stellar its better than ele….

Obvioulsy the fact that you use the word “healing” means you play lot of pvp maybe www but never pve.

Healing is just useless in pve and elementalist healing is “admantly uneffective”.
Just to quote devs once again……

its not about number its about knowing how pve works and not try to manipulate superficial data…….

The more stuff you consider, the more you avoid having more than 1 ele in party and if possible not taking ele at all…

Only nice thing is his healing combo is useful against MAW agony…..that is all

XD I almost never pvp or wvw, do pve 80+% of the time.
The reason I mention healing in pve is because we can do healing without having to spec towards it. There are 4 things we always bring to any fight and that’s boons; prot, regen, might, fury, swiftness + some heals makes for some decent party-wide statboosts.

As for numbers being superficial…. They’re facts. The ele can heal for 700 hp per second (excluding healing ripple and any other weaponskills that give healing) continiously while still being able to do more damage on auto attack than y’r mesmer and warior.

80% uptime on area reflect? You sure? Because that’s pretty awesome.

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

LordByron.8369:

Comparing fastest known to me times of lupi solo done by both classes it’s ele with 15 minutes and mesmer with 17 minutes and that’s an encounter where projectile reflections are highly favourable. Mesmer could do more damage if his phantasms weren’t dying from a sneeze and weren’t mostly single-targetted. No one takes mesmer for damage.

Superficial analisys
1) at lupicus mesmer reflects are just USELESS because lupicus model is huge.
2) ele has lot of personal reflects/evasions that despite being not that good in a party, they are decent for soloing.
3)if nbody takes mesmer for dps and mesmer does more dps than ele than there is a problem

@LordByron
Elementalists have good utilities for survivability but they can mostly only be used for yourself (unless you don’t count lightning flash to downed ally and then mist form rezzing them).
Mesmers have portal which is great in some parts of some dungeons, time warp which is amazing but they don’t give boons to allies or heal allies like the elementalist does. They can give stealth to party but again on a very high cooldown.
If you only look at the numbers the mesmer does more damage but the effective damage of elementalist and mesmer in pve is comparable. (incomparable in pvp, ever watched the profession versus profession matches? 3-0 for mesmers, all eles with same build too)

You are watching numbers and commenting a part of the game you obviously don t play:
PvP is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from PvE…..that is why warrior is OP in PvE and UP in PvP.

portal is used to cheat or in cof1 stop.

Mesmer has just everything as utilities.
3 stealths
80% area reflect UPTIME
a lot of debuffs (autoattack and glamour)
timewarp

This without giving up dps that despite being not stellar its better than ele….

Obvioulsy the fact that you use the word “healing” means you play lot of pvp maybe www but never pve.

Healing is just useless in pve and elementalist healing is “admantly uneffective”.
Just to quote devs once again……

its not about number its about knowing how pve works and not try to manipulate superficial data…….

The more stuff you consider, the more you avoid having more than 1 ele in party and if possible not taking ele at all…

Only nice thing is his healing combo is useful against MAW agony…..that is all

XD I almost never pvp or wvw, do pve 80+% of the time.
The reason I mention healing in pve is because we can do healing without having to spec towards it. There are 4 things we always bring to any fight and that’s boons; prot, regen, might, fury, swiftness + some heals makes for some decent party-wide statboosts.

As for numbers being superficial…. They’re facts. The ele can heal for 700 hp per second (excluding healing ripple and any other weaponskills that give healing) continiously while still being able to do more damage on auto attack than y’r mesmer and warior.

80% uptime on area reflect? You sure? Because that’s pretty awesome.

Who cares how much ele heals when trash mobs hit for 11.000 to 19.000?
As ANET said “ele is akitten tly uneffective in PvE (at healing and stuff)”
How many times hould i repeat that?
And no ele autoattack is one of the worst in the game….as DPS and reliability.
It won t ever compare to a mesmer autoattack with added debuffs…..or long range reliable damage. (not even considering warrior really)

For reflect see focus trait.
-Blurred frenzy used properly negate a 120° radius of aoes
-feedback
-iWarden
-temporal curtain

All on reduced CD
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I heard poeople talking of a single mesmer getting to 100% reflect uptime….but i think 80% is more likely because its not so easy…

For the useless and OT lupicus thing…i already got my 2 Whole armor sets from arah…i don t play them much lately but the fact that lupicus shots got over feedback and stuff in some Patches its quite documented….

Dunno if now it works or not or “sometimes” as the skill tends to work on some bosses

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Comparing fastest known to me times of lupi solo done by both classes it’s ele with 15 minutes and mesmer with 17 minutes and that’s an encounter where projectile reflections are highly favourable. Mesmer could do more damage if his phantasms weren’t dying from a sneeze and weren’t mostly single-targetted. No one takes mesmer for damage.

Superficial analisys
1) at lupicus mesmer reflects are just USELESS because lupicus model is huge.
2) ele has lot of personal reflects/evasions that despite being not that good in a party, they are decent for soloing.
3)if nbody takes mesmer for dps and mesmer does more dps than ele than there is a problem

@LordByron
Elementalists have good utilities for survivability but they can mostly only be used for yourself (unless you don’t count lightning flash to downed ally and then mist form rezzing them).
Mesmers have portal which is great in some parts of some dungeons, time warp which is amazing but they don’t give boons to allies or heal allies like the elementalist does. They can give stealth to party but again on a very high cooldown.
If you only look at the numbers the mesmer does more damage but the effective damage of elementalist and mesmer in pve is comparable. (incomparable in pvp, ever watched the profession versus profession matches? 3-0 for mesmers, all eles with same build too)

You are watching numbers and commenting a part of the game you obviously don t play:
PvP is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from PvE…..that is why warrior is OP in PvE and UP in PvP.

portal is used to cheat or in cof1 stop.

Mesmer has just everything as utilities.
3 stealths
80% area reflect UPTIME
a lot of debuffs (autoattack and glamour)
timewarp

This without giving up dps that despite being not stellar its better than ele….

Obvioulsy the fact that you use the word “healing” means you play lot of pvp maybe www but never pve.

Healing is just useless in pve and elementalist healing is “admantly uneffective”.
Just to quote devs once again……

its not about number its about knowing how pve works and not try to manipulate superficial data…….

The more stuff you consider, the more you avoid having more than 1 ele in party and if possible not taking ele at all…

Only nice thing is his healing combo is useful against MAW agony…..that is all

XD I almost never pvp or wvw, do pve 80+% of the time.
The reason I mention healing in pve is because we can do healing without having to spec towards it. There are 4 things we always bring to any fight and that’s boons; prot, regen, might, fury, swiftness + some heals makes for some decent party-wide statboosts.

As for numbers being superficial…. They’re facts. The ele can heal for 700 hp per second (excluding healing ripple and any other weaponskills that give healing) continiously while still being able to do more damage on auto attack than y’r mesmer and warior.

80% uptime on area reflect? You sure? Because that’s pretty awesome.

Who cares how much ele heals when trash mobs hit for 11.000 to 19.000?
As ANET said “ele is akitten tly uneffective in PvE (at healing and stuff)”
How many times hould i repeat that?
And no ele autoattack is one of the worst in the game….as DPS and reliability.
It won t ever compare to a mesmer autoattack with added debuffs…..or long range reliable damage. (not even considering warrior really)

For reflect see focus trait.
-Blurred frenzy used properly negate a 120° radius of aoes
-feedback
-iWarden
-temporal curtain

All on reduced CD
.
I heard poeople talking of a single mesmer getting to 100% reflect uptime….but i think 80% is more likely because its not so easy…

For the useless and OT lupicus thing…i already got my 2 Whole armor sets from arah…i don t play them much lately but the fact that lupicus shots got over feedback and stuff in some Patches its quite documented….

Dunno if now it works or not or “sometimes” as the skill tends to work on some bosses

that’s sad since swirling winds doesn’t block any projectiles from bosses because they all suddenly count as siege engines….

and I’ve never had trash mobs hit me for that much since I got extra toughness and high protection uptime+sometimes the chilling aura which also reduces taken damage by 10%. Resulting in more effective healing.

I read alot of pve comments here.
And i find some very funny. and realy confusing.

*So, A-net give us skills to reflect projctiles.
*Then they find thats to op, so they make bosses siege engine class.
*Our skills to reflect projectiles is now totaly crap and can be removed from game.

I mean, A-net dont realy seem to have a plan for anything. or think ahead.
Its more like:
*Lets take this car and jump of that cliff, and then we see if we can save ourselves before we hit the ground…

I mean, isnt it better, to keep the reflecting skills as they were.
And just give bosses a unique dmg… wich in turn, the boss is having High self resisting against.
So when you reflect back his own dmg, it automaticaly gets reduced, since its his own dmg, and he have the higher resists against it….

Why do A-net have to feck things up and make things more complicated than they are.

Isnt the whole point in having a reflecting skill. to be able to reflect dmg ????

The abiltity to reflect Siege engines with the whirl using scepter and focus…
Was the only cool thing with that weapon setup.